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Crowder vs. Light

I have tried, lord knows I have tried to stay out of this.  I want to let the punishment and the fines from the NFL speak for themselves.  I want to continue the excellent discussions we've been having with fans of our upcoming rival, the Pittsburgh Steelers.  I really do want to do that, but I can't.  Feeding the flames is not my style; live and let live is my usual mantra.  However, people have blinders on and are only looking at the last 3 seconds of the Crowder vs. Light "interaction".  In order to give you a more objective view, I present to you...the video:


  • 00:02 - Crowder starts going low at Light's legs
  • 00:06 - Crowder brings both hands up to the side of Light's head, smacking him in the head
  • 00:07 - Light grabs Crowder's hair and throws a few shots
  • 00:10 - Other Dolphins' players drag Light to the ground
  • 00:11 - Crowder runs away

This will be the last few words from me on this subject.  Quite frankly, it's simply not worth any more bits and bytes.  Punishment has been handed down.  It's over.  If opposing fans want to use this as yet another reason to hate, be my guest.  I'm moving on to more important things like talking football.

For the 'Fins fan perspective, head on over to The Phinsider.  Warning to Patriots fans: the discourse is littered with venomous invective.

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Dierdorf is a tool. eom

As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead

by JohnHannahRules on Nov 26, 2008 7:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

In order to give you a more objective view, I present to you…the video:

00:02- Crowder being pulled to ground by face mask

00:06- Matt light brings both hands up to the side of Crowders head, smacking him in the unprotected head

00:07- Light grabs Crowder’s hair and throws a few shots

00:10 – Other Dolphins’ players drag Light to the ground

00:11 – Crowder runs away avoiding any further altercation that warrants suspension

NFL’s Senior Vice President of Public Relations Greg Aiello had to say of this

“Both players were fined for a verbal and physical altercation. Our office fully reviewed the facts by talking to both players and others with knowledge of what happened. That review determined that Channing Crowder bore responsibility for verbally instigating the altercation in violation of our on-field policies.”

Tell me when this verbal abuse had time to develope in the few seconds of this play. And why would the words from another player warrant the same fine as fist being thrown from another.
Yes
Soooooooooooo stupid!!

by michphishfan on Nov 26, 2008 10:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Different eyes see different things

It’s unfortunate this exchange happened and created so much negative discourse, but we’re going to see different things. I guess we’ll have to leave it at that.

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by MaPatsFan on Nov 27, 2008 6:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man

you guys are ridiculous. First of all, Crowder wasn’t “going at Light’s legs” like you say. He had engaged Light straight up and Light dragged him to the ground by his helmet. Crowder lost his helmet during the exchange. Light continued to shove and battle well after the kick was gone, and Crowder got up and threw a shove at Light. Light than grabbed his hair, pulled his head down, and threw 3 punches to his head. I have no idea what video you’re watching, but I imagine it’s pretty difficult to see all that with your head up your ass.

"I throw better than anybody in college and I can throw with anybody in the pros. There, that's what I think."
"I've been a Dolphin for 17 years, and I'll be a Dolphin for the rest of my life. That will never change."
- Dan Marino aka Quarterback God

by Little Nicky 21 on Nov 26, 2008 10:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not ridiculous

Just fans of the other team. Just because we don’t see what you see doesn’t make us ridiculous.

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by MaPatsFan on Nov 27, 2008 7:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why would Crowder's helmet come off..

… if Light hadn’t pulled his head down to begin with? If you’re gonna go low on someone you dive into their knees, not not to ram the top of your head into their stomach.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Nov 27, 2008 11:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're missing the point.

I don’t see how Crowder went at Light’s legs. But even if he did, that’s not what the NFL said.

Aiello e-mailed me and we exchanged about 5 e-mails and the reason Crowder got the same penalty was because he “verbally instigated” the altercation – Aiello’s words, not mine. Aiello never mentions this phantom “leg attack” that you are claiming. And when we continued our talk – off the record – I asked him what would have happened if Light’s punches weren’t girlie and he actually broke Crowder’s nose or his eye socket. Aiello’s response was that a different set of circumstances would have resulted in different results in terms of punishment. So what I take from that “generic corporate speak” is that if Light didn’t fight like a girl and actually injured Crowder, his penalty would have been stiffer.

Say what you want about the “legs” issue – which I still don’t see – but the NFL never acknowledged that issue in their response.

But anyways, I do want to wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving. Among other things, I’m certainly thankful for great football rivalries – and Fins/Pats is definitely one of them. So while we disagree and some may even get pretty freakin nasty with each other from time to time, it’s all in good fun and just proves how important our teams are to us.

Have a great holiday and – if you’re traveling – be safe!

by Matty I on Nov 27, 2008 2:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well said Matty

It’s a different perspective and one I don’t agree with, but I’m happy to have the differing viewpoints. I’d rather talk football than this incident because, frankly, the discourse has degenerated. Luckily you guys have (above as well) have made a reasonable attempt to show your viewpoint. Again, my eyes see differently, but that’s what it’s all about. Safe holidays to all. Take care.

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by MaPatsFan on Nov 27, 2008 6:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does any Pats fan feel embarrased about this?

I do, just for being an NFL fan. Matt Light has how many rings? His team was putting the seal on a big win IN miami. Wow. What an child. Complete with his smirk as he walked off the field. I know he does not represent the enitre team, but damn, if he was a Buffalo Bill, I know me and my fellow Rumblers would show huge disappointment on our blog. Am I missing something here? Why are you saying "I’d rather talk football?’ Isn’t what this forum for—all aspects of the Pats, including character? What is it with you Pats fans? After Vince W viciously dove into JP last year, I lost a little respect for all things Patriots, but this is plain silly. Please, if I have missed a thread that shows Pats fans calling out Light, show me where I can fin it.

Sweet home Orchard Park.

by thurman on Nov 28, 2008 12:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

read my comments in the other thread

I’ve said it outright: Matt was wrong to escalate it, and throwing punches should be an automatic suspension. It’s my opinion he should be sitting because of his actions, and though I don’t know what Crowder said, there’s no excuse for physical escalation. I also think that players who make verbal comments that cross a certain threshold of decency (i.e. family, lost loved ones), should be held accountable by the league.

http://www.patspulpit.com/2008/11/25/670671/suspensions-for-fight-won#comments

Of course, my comments seem to get conveniently ignored by everyone who wants to just bash Patriots fans, because it doesn’t support their position that we’re “lesser” than fans of other teams.

by jctsai12 on Nov 28, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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