Open Thread: Super Bowl XLII, New England Patriots vs. New York Giants
by tommasse on Feb 3, 2008 10:30 AM EST
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PrintThis is it. This is what 53-plus players and a dozen or so coaches on 32 teams work for all season. Two teams remain: Your New England Patriots and the momentum-riding New York Giants.
You don't hear it often, but the Patriots are riding momentum, too. That ride started last January, when the Patriots were within a couple plays and a couple questionable yellow flags away from reaching their fourth Super Bowl in 6 years. With a new field surface at Gillette Stadium, Bill Belchick and Scott Pioli re-engineered the team to win games on that field and on similar fields in a new NFL era.
In early March, they signed Adalius Thomas and Donté Stallworth. They franchised Asante Samuel. They traded for Wes Welker and Randy Moss. Oh, and there was Kyle Brady and Sammy Morris. There was more, but that was some serious momentum right there.
-- vs. -- 
New England Patriots vs. New York Giants
Super Bowl XLII
University of Phoenix Stadium, Feb. 3, 6:18 p.m.
We've cataloged their exploits, the other undefeated teams they've beaten, all the records. There is one more chapter to add to the 2007 season. We will watch that chapter written together.
In fact, I invite you to to help write that chapter by participating in our open thread. Please create an account if you have not done so, and please honor our Community Guidelines. Remember Marquise Hill. Welcome to Super Bowl XLII.
Enjoy the game, and Go PATRIOTS!!
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so tell me...
is anyone else about to throw up with anticipation?
Stuff the Marquess of Queensberry!
No, but...
...I may be about to throw up with a touch of the flu!
I just hope I can stay awake for the celebration at the end of the game.
Ohhhhh yeahhhhh!!
Gimme a 21 pt lead so I can relax. Now, where the heck did I put the Crown Royal...
well screw it...
I'm off to the bar to try and get a good seat for the game...
see you later...
Stuff the Marquess of Queensberry!
Super Bowl inactive lists
New England Patriots
WR Troy Brown
QB Matt Gutierrez (the third quarterback)
WR Chad Jackson
TE Stephen Spach
OL Wesley Britt
CB Antwain Spann
DL Santonio Thomas
OL Billy Yates
WR Troy Brown
QB Matt Gutierrez (the third quarterback)
WR Chad Jackson
TE Stephen Spach
OL Wesley Britt
CB Antwain Spann
DL Santonio Thomas
OL Billy Yates
New York Giants
TE Jerome Collins
DT Russell Davis
T Adam Koets
QB Jared Lorenzen (3rd quarterback)
WR Sinorice Moss
DB Geoffrey Pope
ORB Danny Ware
DT Manny Wright
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Giants win the toss and will receive
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Giants have converted a pair of 3rd downs
Patriots D not giving up much, but Giants are moving.
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Two Patriots are hurt .. Rodney Harrison is one
Possibly Asante Samuel or Ellis Hobbs the other. Waiting on replays through commercials.
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It was Randall Gay and Harrison
Gay looked like he bent his right knee, possibly his right ankle. No idea what happened to Harrison. Giants will have to capitalize on their absences.
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Harrison is already back in ..
.. and made the tackle on second down.
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Kind of liked the Audi commercial
Might be the best we see all day.
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Great play by Warren ..
.. getting blocked and still holding on to Bradshaw
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Fourth 3rd down of the drive
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Giants convert
Eugene Wilson was just barely too late on the blindside blitz.
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Hobbs almost made the big play on 1st down
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This is a very long drive already
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Harrison makes the 3rd down stop
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Patriots 0, Giants 3, 1st Q, 5:01
16 plays, 63 yards, 9:59
Fox says there's 6:12 left on the clock. No time ran off on the field goal.
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Fox changed the clock
Wow .. that's pretty poor to mess up the clock by so much.
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It stopped running...
...between second and third down.
I figure that's par for the course for the Faux Nutwork.
Sweet return by Laurence Maroney
Out past the 40?
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43 yard return to the Patriots 44
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Screen took too long to develop
Two fakes deep in the backfield, but not enough blocking before the release.
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BIG 8 yard pickup on 2nd down by Maroney
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Patriots face first 3rd down
Maroney looks good so far. Brady had to incompletions before hitting Stallworth.
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Yeah, but...
...the first wasn't his fault. If the right side of the line hadn't played that like toreadors instead of offensive linemen, who knows what would have happened?
On a screen, that's the way it's done
The timing was off though. I think the fakes took too long to develop.
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Yes, but...
...that wasn't a simple screen, it was a screen with a fake. On a screen with a fake, you have to at least chip the rushers.
Big conversion by Kevin Faulk
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3rd down in the red zone
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1st and goal on the mugging of Ben Watson
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End of 1st Quarter
Patriots 0, Giants 3
Patriots have the ball, 2nd and goal from the half-yard line.
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Patriots 7, Giants 3, 2nd Q, 14:57
12 plays, 56 yards, 5:04
Good drive. Only two 3rd downs.
Starting to resemble the Jacksonville game. Few possessions, long drives.
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Gostkowski kicks it out of bounds ..
.. big mistake. Giants get the ball at their 40 with no effort. Call it a 15-yard penalty (average).
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Yeah, definitely a push off
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Big lucky play to put the Giants down close
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Another third down inside the 20 for NY
Giants have been picking up the blitz well
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First turnover -- HOBBS -- interception!
Steve Smith bobbles, leg whips (no call -- see? it goes both ways). Hobbs with the concentration and a 23-yard return.
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What both ways?
So far, I've only seen two bad non-calls, and they both went the Giants' way.
Shouldn't someone by whining about 'dirty' Giants?
Oh, right. We're the New England Patriots. We play football.
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There was nothing dirty about it
Just two egregiously bad non-calls by officials.
Just because the officials screw up, doesn't make the other team dirty. (Unless, apparently, the other team is the Pats.)
Giants come up big on 3rd-down run
Patriots have to punt.
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Patriots unable to convert the turnover
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Sack .. Jarvis Green and Le Kevin Smith
Smith? Where's Seymour and Warren?
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Manning, Bradshaw fumble ..
.. this should be Patriots ball.
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Defense got ripped off, but got job done
Welker fell on the return, or it could have been big. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. The Patriots need to do.
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Pierre Woods was on the fumble
Woods was in, in place of Mike Vrabel. No word if there are injuries, or if Belichick is just pacing his players for a long, physical game.
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Brady couldn't escape pressure .. lost about 8
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Giants get to Brady twice straight
Stephen Neal is injured.
Patriots have to punt from deep in their own territory. Big change of field position.
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Adalius Thomas sacks Eli Manning ..
.. Manning fumbles. Illegal bat forward knocks the Giants back. Giants are lucky it's not loss of down.
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I missed something
Why isn't it loss of down?
Is that considered a forward pass...
...or something?
I'd have to see the replay again
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Mike Carey said so
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That's all the NFL has
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They owe us better than that
Maybe they'll explain at halftime.
Gay breaks up the pass .. might be hurt again
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Brady does public service annoucements
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Giants punt
Patriots are deep on their own 11.
1:47 left in the half.
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Giants putting incredible pressure on Brady
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Healthy offensive line not getting it done ..
.. passing or running.
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It's like the line...
...went to the locker room early.
Stallworth converts HUGE 3rd down with 1:20 to go
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FANTASTIC block by Welker
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Great Faulk conversion wasted by Watson hold
Faulk limps off. Penalty should be at spot of the foul.
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Patriots 2nd timeoute .. 28 seconds left ..
.. on their own 37.
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Moss's first catch .. gets out of bounds
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Brady hit from behind .. fumbles
Not sure how the Giants get that ball. Not sure how they got either fumble recovery really.
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Moss in defending Hail Mary
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Halftime stats
Brady: 8 of 14, 82 yards, fumble
Manning: 8 of 16, 86 yards, INT
Manning: 8 of 16, 86 yards, INT
Maroney: 8 carries, 11 yards, TD
Faulk: 1 carry, 7 yards
Evans: 1 carry, 2 yards
Jacobs: 11 carries, 35 yards
Bradshaw: 4 carries, 26 yards
Manning: 1 carry, 0 yards
Stallworth: 2 catches, 25 yards
Welker: 2 catches, 17 yards
Faulk: 2 catches, 14 yards
Moss: 1 catch, 18 yards
Maroney: 1 catch, 8 yards
Smith: 3 catches, 21 yards
Toomer: 1 catch, 38 yards
Burress: 1 catch, 14 yards
Tyree: 1 catch, 6 yards
Bradshaw: 1 catch, 3 yards
Hedgecock: 1 catch, 3 yards
Harrison: 4 solo tackles
Warren: 3 solo, 2 assists
Bruschi: 3 solo, 1 assist
Thomas: 3 solo, sack, forced fumble
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More haltime stats
Total net yards: Giants 139, Patriots 81
Time of possession: Giants 19:27, Patriots 10:33
Penalties: Giants 3 for 31 yards, Patriots 1 for 10 yards (I guess the kick out of bounds doesn't count for some reason)
3rd-down efficiency: Giants 5 of 10, Patriots 4 of 6
Turnovers: Giants 1 (interception), Patriots 1 (fumble)
Giants have 2 fumbles which they recovered themselves .. sort of.
Time of possession: Giants 19:27, Patriots 10:33
Penalties: Giants 3 for 31 yards, Patriots 1 for 10 yards (I guess the kick out of bounds doesn't count for some reason)
3rd-down efficiency: Giants 5 of 10, Patriots 4 of 6
Turnovers: Giants 1 (interception), Patriots 1 (fumble)
Giants have 2 fumbles which they recovered themselves .. sort of.
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Gotta do something...
...about that time of possession, especially if the refs are going to give the Giants every fumble.
What's up with the O-line????
D is playing terrific, but can't say I haven't been a tad nervous. Hard to sit still.
It's great that Moss caught one. Hope Faulk is okay.
Let's get this half-time thing over with, make some adjustments -- especially with the OFFENSE. It's good we get to receive to start off the 2nd half.
Some good things have happened, but we settle down and go back to what got us here in the first place.
Well, gotta go tend to the crowd...
Keep the faith!
You got it .. all about the adjustments now
Both teams came in with awesome defensive game plans. Only two scores in the first half and both on first drives.
Here's your chess match.
Patriots were able to run early, but were unable to once they started passing on most downs. Offensive line has been unable to run- or pass-block effectively -- at least not for long periods of time as we've been used to.
The defense is playing great, despite giving up chunks of yards at times.
Who makes the big adjustments? Which team executes? It comes down to 30 minutes of football. The Patriots are up by 4 points and get the ball first. Let's hope they do something positive.
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Long halftime
I played high school football. One time we were on the road for a team's homecoming. The band played, cheerleaders danced, and I vaguely recall a crown or two getting awarded. By the end of the at least 20 minute spectacle I was bored and just desperate to play football. Long story short, I hate the Super Bowl halftime show. Just let these guys play.
Celtics '08 or bust. Are you on the bandwagon?
I still don't get Maroney
He ends up losing 6 yards running backwards on the kickoff return.
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Patriots start 2nd half on own 21
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Nice quick pass to Welker
And then Maroney hits the hole like he should
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Strahan makes good play on 2nd down
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Faulk converts on 3rd
Brady gets hit again .. Giants' pressure continues
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Kyle Brady fell of his block of Umenyiora
Maroney loses 2
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Welker picks up 7, but Faulk can only get 3
More pressure, and Faulk couldn't reach the line to gain.
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Hanson punts .. Giants take over at their 14
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Belichick challenging whether Giants had 12 men ..
.. on the field. Replay shows Giants player was in midair at the snap. This should be interesting.
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Bridgestone commercial takes the lead
Any commercial with Alice Cooper and Richard Simmons can only be trumped by monkeys.
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They're saving that for overtime
Challenge upheld -- first down, Pats!
12 men on the field .. 1st down Patriots
That's really weak, but that's the rule, and I'm glad we got it.
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Matt Light with a false start .. gives back 5
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Giants sniffed out screen to Welker .. 3rd-14
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What a GREAT effort by Faulk!
Extracurriculars after the play by the Giants.
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Maroney hesitates .. no gain
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Short completion to K. Brady .. 3rd-7
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Where's the blocking?
When was the last time Maroney had a hole to run through?
Giants 'got a good jump' on the snap ..
.. Brady sacked. Patriots go for it on 4th down
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Brady threw it long out of bounds ..
.. turnover on downs.
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Great deflection by Samuel
But I wish he'd get back in the huddle instead of patting his chest.
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Breakup by Gay .. Giants have to punt
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Feagles punt out of bounds at the 10 .. ish
About 18 minutes of game time left.
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False start on Watson .. back to the 5
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Giants defender didn't cross the line of scrimmage
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Brady dumps it .. gets headslapped
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Big gain by Welker over the middle across the 50
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Light with ANOTHER false start
No concentration.
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End of 3rd Quarter
Patriots 7, Giants 3
Patriots have the ball 4th and 6 at the Giants 45. No easy decisions here. I'd consider punting.
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Hanson punts into the end zone
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Giants start with a big play
Kevin Boss makes big run after catch
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Patriots give up 3rd down .. Giants at the 12
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Patriots 7, Giants 10, 4th Q, 11:05
6 plays, 80 yards, 3:47
Patriots bent and broke that time.
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Holding on great return by Maroney
Didn't catch the number .. not a good penalty to take.
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Penalty was on Hochstein
Enforced at Patriots 21 .. they'll have it just outside the 10.
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It's officially a 10-yard penalty ..
.. but it cost New England almost 20.
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Madison woldn't let up Welker
How come that's not delay of game?
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Welker mauled .. Patriots forced to punt
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9:20 left to play
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Harrison makes the stop short of the 1st
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Welker fair-catches just inside the 20
About 8 minutes left.
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Welker ties Branch's record for SB receptions
Common factor? Brady throwing to both of them.
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1st down inside the 20
4 minutes left
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Faulk .. 1st and goal
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3:12 to go
Giants' Robbins injured on last play
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Substitute Robbins gives Giants' D chance to rest
A little suspicious, if you ask me.
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Brady off target throwing to Moss open in end zone
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Brady off target to Welker at the goal line
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Butler giving Giants' D another chance to rest
Boy .. they're pretty lucky that way, huh?
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Moss -- TOUCHDOWN!
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Patriots 14, Giants 10, 4th Q, 2:42
12 plays, 80 yards, 5:12
C'mon DEFENSE .. one big stop!
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Ray Ventrone with HUGE tackle on kickoff return
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Giants start at their own 17 .. 2:39 left
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2-minute warning
Giants .. 3rd and 10 on their 17 .. 1:59 left
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4th-and-1
Officials generously grant Giants a clock-stopping measurement.
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Giants convert .. just barely .. 1:22 left
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Carey generously adds time to the clock
After next down, there's still 1:20 left. Coughlin out on the field. No call.
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Samuel drops interception
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3rd and 5
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What the hell was that?
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Unbelievable catch by Tyree
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Giants' 3rd timeout .. 51 seconds left
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incomplete .. 3rd-11
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1st down .. 40 seconds left
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Patriots 14, Giants 17, 4th Q, 0:35
Hobbs blew the coverage
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Maroney runs backwards again
Patriots have 29 seconds .. 3 timeouts
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Ball on Patriots 26
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Brady sacked on 2nd down .. 1st timeout
Should be 22 seconds left
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Deep pass to Moss incomplete .. 2nd timeout
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Patriots unable to convert in final seconds
Giants win, 17-14
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For the record ..
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Call me a sore loser....
...or whatever else you want, but that was horribly called game... again... there are only so many times that the Pats (or any other team for that matter, the Packers for example) can beat the other team and the refs......
But.... the national media will love it, the Evil Incarnate Cheaters lost right??... The country will rejoice... The black hats lost, the white hats won... now We'll have hours upon hours of both Mannings doing commercials.... gagg...
Now they need to let Asante go, or tell him... you want to be paid like Ty Law and Champ Bailey? Catch the damn ball Asante....
Now, will they stop with the stupid post game and give me some Hugh Laurie and Mia Sorvino already...
They might have missed a couple calls ..
.. but I didn't think the officials called a bad game. They let the teams play, and that's what you hope for. Every crew will miss a couple. No big game-changing calls.
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We'll....
....agree to disagree.... :)
Too bad that no one will really remember the Amazing season they had, a real shame... because, as much as the 72 Dolphins disagreed, doing 14-0 in 72 and 16-0 in 2007 were two totally different things... and the 16-0 was insanely amazing....
Heck, even the ads kinda sucked... I thought that the best one was the Pepsi one with the deaf guys trying to find their Super Bowl party during the pregame (or maybe it was the prekick show... )
You know what makes this hurt even worse?
Having more Spygate allegations--which are marginal at best, and hardly "bulletproof," from the way they were presented--thrown about like so much mud the day before the Super Bowl.
I will point out that a lot of people on other boards are planning to boycott the Herald because of it. I know I will be.
Champagne
Regular season games, Pats drink when the first team loses. They earned that. The Herald will never get another nickel of my money. I can't believe a Boston paper would publish the allegations of some disgruntled ex employee on the eve of the Super Bowl. Isn't that what the enemy is supposed to do.
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