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Matt Walsh: Nothing new, let's play football

In a stunning...YAWN...revelation...YAWN...we find that the stolen videotapes in Matt Walsh's possession contain taped signals of games from 2000-2002.  In addition, there's no tape of the St. Louis Rams's SB XXXVI walkthrough, as reported by the Boston Herald .

Matt?  Meet Geraldo.  Yeah, there's nothing of relevance in your safe , either.  As many of us blogged about and surmised that Belichick wouldn't be stupid enough to have both himself and Kraft further deny any wrongdoing and then have Matty come out with evidence which proves it.  And, just to be crystal clear, Roger Goodell has stated he will only levy additional punishment IF and only IF, The New England Patriots taped the Rams SB walkthrough:

Belichick has emphatically denied taping the walkthrough.

"I have never taped a practice, certainly not that one," New England's coach has said repeatedly.

Roger Goodell is fully prepared to crack down again on the New England Patriots if his meeting with Matt Walsh uncovers a tape made of the St. Louis Rams' final walkthrough practice before the 2002 Super Bowl.

No Rams's tape?  No more punishment:

Goodell explained that the league's penalty against the Patriots early last season was for the totality of the team's videotaping actions, and that coach Bill Belichick acknowledged he had videotaped opposing signals since the start of his Patriots head coaching career.

BTW, this quote from Goodell was conveniently left out of the New York Times article.

Again, no Rams's tape, no more punishment.  Hopefully this isn't hard for people to understand.  Done.  Fini.  Moving on.  But, Arlen can't let it go.  In a stunning, but to be expected, case of government abuse of power, the senator from Philadelphia will meet with Walsh as well.  Sure, let's fly Matty all over the place on the taxpayer's dime so he can tell the EXACT SAME STORY he's already told the NFL.  Sour grapes senator, sour grapes .  Unfortunately, none of his constituents will cry foul because they think it's perfectly ok for Arlen to reach into their pockets to fly a criminal around for their team's honor.  Good luck, Pennsylvania.  You reap what you sow.

Matty?  Welcome to your 15 minutes of fame.  Too bad it was built on a house of cards.

Props to NESilver for this fanpost .

Boston Globe story .

Boston Herald story .

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time to focus on the upcoming season. Great piece of writing Ma (that sounds weird). Walsh is a piece of ** who, like stated above, is looking for his 15 minutes of fame. I cannot believe that Congress is allowing Spector to continue his witch hunt - yeah ARLEN, we know you still hate Belichick for beating your team - GET OVER IT!!! You waste enough of our money on ridiculous pork projects—maybe you can use our money to fund a study on why Mcnabb chokes so much!!

Keep up the good writing ….

If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is 'God is crying.' And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is 'Probably because of something you did.'
- Jack Handey

by OneMore on May 8, 2008 8:04 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think

you pats fans are missing the point. bill obviously cheated and and has been doing so for a very long time. i can’t believe that this fan base is willing to accept their team selling their integrity and honor for a couple of more wins in the season and possibly a sb championship. i would be embarrassed and pretty pissed if it were my team and more than a few of our fans would be calling for the coach’s resignation.
GO STEELERS!

by SE7ENS on May 8, 2008 10:27 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I read you correctly...

...you’re essentially denegrating the Patriots fanbase for not wanting Belichick’s head on a silver platter and claiming Steelers fans are much more intelligent because they would’ve insisted on the same. You should pray there’s no skeletons in the Steelers’s closet because you better believe myself, along with my fellow fanbase, will be digging into the archives and watching very closely from now on. We’ve taken a BEATING for 6 months and most of it unwarranted.

by MaPatsFan on May 8, 2008 11:10 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

you did understand me correctly but allow me to elaborate on my earlier comments. i’m not trying to start a “your team sucks” argument here but i was merely expressing my surprise at the number of patriots fans that have pretty much completely ignored the fact that the head coach of their team did in fact cheat to improve the play of the pats. i mean, let’s just all be honest here for a moment – there was no misinterpretation of the rule here, that’s just belichick bs and you’re lying to yourself if you say it isn’t. i’ve read the rule and its VERY clear. now, maybe there’s going to be further action taken against bill and the pats, maybe there isn’t . i don’t know and frankly its beside the point. the point is YOU as a fan should be upset that this happened at all regardless of any punishment handed down. i just haven’t seen any significant number of pats fans expressing that sentiment or anything even close. denial isn’t just a river in egypt, my friends.
GO STEELERS!

by SE7ENS on May 8, 2008 11:57 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your team sucks! (j/k)

But seriously, I’m kinda with the Steelers fan above (Steelers suck too!). I’m a Colts fan and I’d be pretty embarrassed if Dungy was caught cheating. I would say, “It’s shameful, and I’m ashamed to be rooting for a cheating team.” But the overwhelming attitude in Pats nation (starting at their Head Priest Bill Simmons) seems to be – “Screw you! We don’t care that we cheated.” Or “Ha ha, they don’t have ANY MORE evidence.” Or “Shut up, they don’t have TAPES from the walkthrough.”

(BTW, if it’s a “he said, he said” between Belichick and Matt Walsh, Belichick’s the one who has been caught cheating, so basically the burden of proof is on him. Although I do acknowledge that it’s hard to show the non-existence of anything :) )

Look guys, I’ve hated the Pats for as long as I’ve watched Football and will hate them for the foreseeable future. For once all of us Pats-haters have ammo, and it’s pissing us off that you guys won’t surrender. Just admit you cheated and we can all focus on the 2008 season.

by Bluebulb1 on May 8, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe...

...that’s already been admitted. Both Kraft and Belichick have apologized a number of times to the public and league officials. I think what you are now asking for is for us to eviscerate abandon our team and coach. If the allegations against Harrison turn out to be true, are you willing to turn your back on him?

by MaPatsFan on May 8, 2008 1:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hardly

I would never expect you to abandon your team. Look, the Pats have existed before Spygate and will exist after too. While this incident (according to me) tarnishes the legacy of the team, it certainly doesn’t define it. And I don’t care for apologies from Belichick (who I think is a lousy scumbag that gets my blood boiling!). All I want for the Pats fans to acknowledge that what the team did is something remarkably low. And neither brush it under the carpet nor get all defensive about it.

For the record, if it’s shown that Marvin in fact fired out of malice (i.e. not self-defense) then yes, I will turn my back on him. Or atleast acknowledge that what he did is a pretty dirty thing. I wouldn’t defend him for sure.

by Bluebulb1 on May 8, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know,

I have heard this crap that this “tarnishes the legacy” because of Spygate. How does a videotape help you if the players don’t make the plays on the field? You and everyone else needs to get your head out of the sand if you think for a minute that EVERY team doesn’t step over the line. The Pats didn’t do anything different than ALL the other teams(re: Mangini’s Jets) and you are an imbicile if you believe otherwise. END OF STORY

by Ironman63 on May 8, 2008 11:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Barry Bonds

You need to have amazing hand-eye coordination in order to hit a baseball and steroids don’t help that. So then, if you believe Bonds took steroids, does that tarnish his legacy?

by Bluebulb1 on May 9, 2008 11:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wo

I think he is right. Just play is the most important.

by hutyer on May 9, 2008 4:56 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Spygate...

was week one of LAST season, yes BB screwed up. Yes, he states he misinterpreted a rule that seems pretty clear to most people. I think it was more of a.. “hey, there is a loophole in this rule that I am going to exploit!” rather then a misinterpretation. But again.. it was FIRST GAME OF LAST SEASON. We all said he was stupid for doing that, WAY BACK THEN. Move on. Get over it. Its next season already. All we are saying in these forums and posts is that Walsh is a piece of expletive trash, that wants nothing more then his 15 minutes of fame, and brings absolutely nothing new to the table then has been there September of last year. Even the Colts front office says to give it a rest.

For the record: If they had used official NFL produced film and done the EXACT SAME THING, it would not be illegal. If they had their employee tape the signals from the approved film area, it would not be illegal. If they taped the signals from the front row of the seats at the 50 yard line, it would not be illegal. Taping signals is not the illegal part. The illegal part was taping FROM the field.

Here are the exact excerpts from the rules books from wikipedia:
Page 105 of the 2007 NFL Game Operations Manual states, “No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game…All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead.”

Belichick stated that he believed that if footage so collected was not used during the game, its collection was legal, as the NFL Constitution and Bylaws stipulate that:
”...any communications or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, shall be prohibited…that might aid a team during the playing of a game.”[12].

In a September 2006 memorandum sent out by NFL Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson, though, all teams were told that “videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.”

by Ogor on May 9, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let me say again,

It’s time to move on. Unless there is one more card he is holding, the only thing Walsh gave us was another reminder of what Belichick was already busted for doing. Frankly, I do not like that he did it, and it doesn’t help me to see it resurface. I don’t buy the “everybody is doing it” justification that some use in defending any wrongdoing, but I also know it is difficult not to be defensive of the things one loves in life, including their sports loyalties.

I also was somehow unaware how much taping he did when this was first addressed. It is somewhat surprising to me how long this has happened. However, it appears that Goodell did know and dealt with it already, so apart from being educational, these are things that should be moved past.

Regarding the argument of some that it doesn’t give competitive advantage, I have two thoughts. First, if he didn’t believe it gave an advantage, why did he do it? The obvious truth is that it was advantageous. To quote GI Joe, “Knowing is half the battle.” (I apologize for that.) Second, I don’t think the taping was necessary. The Patriots are a very good team that has been very well coached and has a remarkable QB and a stellar DF. They are scary good already, no extra help needed.

Bottom line, I want to see this laid to rest and get ready for some football.

by coltsfanawalt on May 9, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Addressing some points

I realize that the “everybody is doing it” excuse might sound like Patriots fans are pointing fingers, but the fact is that coaches (especially former ones) have come out and said it themselves: Other teams were either doing the same thing, or finding other ways to push the boundaries. To believe that’s not true today is naive. You can look up a bunch of Jimmy Johnson quotes to support that argument.

A second thing to point out – and I apologize if this has been said already, I skimmed through some of the responses here – is that Belichick was not trying to be secretive with his videotaping procedures. His cameraman was not trying to hide from other football teams, the guy was out in the wide open where everyone could see him. In that sense, the term “Spygate” isn’t even appropriate. Common sense would tell you that Belichick wasn’t worrying about getting caught or breaking the rules. We’ve also read reports that coaches could be seen waving at the camera, so they knew what he was doing. (I’m also inclined to say that if you believe Belichick was using this videotape to make adjustments at halftime… that would be assuming the other team was still using the same signals and not changing them up at halftime, which would just be moronic on their part)

As for a competitive advantage, there have been mixed thoughts on it. Some believe it COULD help out, and others believe that if it did, the advantage would be minimal. I’m not sure if it helped as much as people say, or else I’d like to know why the Patriots didn’t even make the playoffs in 2002, lost to the Broncos in the divisional round in 2005, and couldn’t finish off the Colts in 2006. The thing about Belichick is that he’s extremely meticulous when it comes to paying attention to detail. So when it comes to taping other team’s signals (and then looking at the down and distance), it’s plausible that Belichick wanted to know that coordinator’s tendencies in certain situations, perhaps keeping an eye on the plays they call to hire that coordinator if the possibility exists if they like what he’s doing.

Long story short, I personally think Belichick screwed up big time after he ignored the 2006 memo. He should’ve contacted the league to make sure he was still within the rules – a mistake he’s already admitted to and taken responsibility for. Everything else was just media hype and blown completely out of proportion. My bet is the story would’ve never snowballed into the media circus it became had Belichick not won any Super Bowls within the last decade.

by NESilver on May 10, 2008 1:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I sure hate when my kids say, "but everyone else is doing it" but here I go...

Ever wonder why so many coaches and organizations were quick to offer support to Belichick and the Patriots? It’s like politics. Nobody’s hands are completely clean, and they all know it.

The Dolphins bragged about stealing audio signals from the Pats, The Carolina Panthers cheated during Super Bowl XXXVIII with 6 active players, including starters, charged with violating the steroids policy, and the 49ers were not only fined a 5th round draft pick this year for tampering with a player, but also back in 1997 for violating the salary cap. The team was fined $300,000 plus two draft picks, and two 49ers executives were fined a total of $600,000. San Francisco was punished more severely than New England, but the aftermath wasn’t nearly as grave.

I guess what bothers me most about the reactions from outside New England, is that there is no punishment that could ever be enough to rectify the taping. Probably the only outcome that might possibly satisfy the masses would be for Belichick to be kicked out of the NFL forever, forfeiting any honors or awards he may have earned, and for the Patriots to have all three Super Bowl wins erased and/or asterisked. Even that wouldn’t be enough to stop the cries for vengence.

Should he have done it? Obviously not. Is it a crime worthy of all the hatred? Most definitely not.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on May 10, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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