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New England Patriots moves and rumors

As the trade deadline approaches this coming Tuesday, October 20th, there have been plenty of rumors surrounding the disposition of players.  The most interesting has been Adalius Thomas.  Thomas was, apparently, a "healthy sit" for the Titans matchup.  That was a bit of a surprise for me as I didn't think he was, in any way, having trouble.  Yeah, nothing stellar, but I wouldn't have thought he was on the bubble.  Apparently, I was wrong.  Michael Vega of the Globe asked Belichick about Thomas' status:

"I don’t know. It was one game. We’ll evaluate this combing week against Tampa like we always do. This week is different than last week. I think he’s a good football player. He’s versatile. He’s made some big plays for us. We have a lot of confidence in him. If that wasn’t the case, he wouldn’t be here."

With the Bengals defensive end Antwan Odom and the Seahawks linebacker Lofa Tatupu both being lost for the season Sunday, there would appear to be a need among those teams for a veteran linebacker.

And, yet another rumor, DE/OLB Tully Banta-Cain has been released:

A day after the Patriots created a widespread case of head scratching by deactivating linebacker Adalius Thomas, the Pats have sent fingers back to scalps throughout the football-watching world by cutting linebacker Tully Banta-Cain.

Now, this is Mike Florio from profootballtalk.com, so read into that what you want.  I'm honestly not sure what to say about this other than spread some wild rumor myself.  By dumping Banta-Cain and possibly Thomas, we're eliminating two edge guys, rushers if you will.  Are we simply happy with Derrick Burgess?  Or, could we be making a play for Julius Peppers?

Last but not least, Joey Galloway has been a healthy scratch from the roster for 3 games.  Has Julian Edelman and Sam Aiken taken the spot as legitimate third looks for Tom Brady?  Are we happy with Benjamin Watson and Chris Baker, happy enough to thin down the WR roster by one?

As I wrote above, tomorrow is the trade deadline.  It could be an interesting day.

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things will happen around the league who knows

im think some guys come of PUP and will take over their spots

by Patsfan4life on Oct 19, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I could maybe see them shifting Thomas if they got great value..

but cutting Banta-Cain when he’s playing pretty well and coming up with big plays on occasion for no value? That doesn’t sound likely, especially since he doesn’t seem to be highly paid enough to be a salary cap casualty. Thomas might be hard-pressed to justify his rather large salary at the moment, so they might shift him if they could guarantee a decent replacement.

If they do get rid of one/both, I don’t see any DE/OLB help coming from the PUP list, so unless they’re looking at other team’s PUP lists (assuming other teams will cut someone or cut their PUP list guy?), or intend to trade for some linebacker, there’s nobody to fill either Banta-Cain or Thomas’s spot. There is a DE/OLB in the practice squad, Bruce Davis, who was a 2008 3rd round pick by Pittsburgh, so maybe they like him?

Burgess hasn’t done enough to justify full faith in him yet, he’s done less than Banta-Cain in all actuality. I don’t see why they’d cut Tully. Strange and stranger.

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The plot thickens...

I liked Banta-Cain and thought he was doing pretty well. Belichick was coy, of course, on The Big Show this afternoon steering the conversation towards a general philosophy about the NFL Trade deadline as opposed to anything he’s thinking about the Pats specifically.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Oct 19, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know, I might've found the source of the rumour

I went onto Wiki to see who was on the practice squad and PUP list for the Pats (since nobody else seems to list those on their ‘roster’ option) and there’s a distinctly Tully Banta-Cain-sized gap in the list of LBs and DEs. Date of modification? 19 October. I’d love to know whether the ‘reports’ came before the Wiki update, or the Wiki before the reports. If the latter, I guess we know where those reporters do their “researching”.

Of note – I pointed out on September 8 that Wikipedia listed a number 12, John Elway, as the starting Patriots QB. It’s on the internetz, it must be true!

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Any way to check?

You’d be the one to know, MaPatsFan.

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to check

I’ve emailed Shalise, Karen, and Mike in the past and they know when Belichick has a presser. The Pats are notoriously tight-lipped, even with the Boston media.

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by MaPatsFan on Oct 19, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suspect Peppers is too expensive

And too old, if they’re going to get rid of Adalius Thomas to get him. It’s robbing Peter to pay Paul; they’re the same age, etc etc.

Who has had severe injuries to LBs or a poor pass-rush lately? I’d look to them, maybe for WR help? Thomas to Seattle for a WR?

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just had a thought.

The Bengals lost Antwan Odom. They need defensive help to cover the injury. They have a bunch of pretty good WRs. The Pats have plenty of defensive bodies. They need WRs. Belichick is a declared fan of the Bengals WRs…

Hypothesizing is amusing.

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Esteban Ochocinco!

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 19, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's no chance Peppers is coming

I don’t see Belichick being willing to put out a guy with no knowledge of the system in week 6. He brought back guys like Seau and Banta-Cain because of their knowledge of the system. He’s not going to suddenly go back on that after all these years because Peppers is really fast and got a lot of sack a few years ago.

by BigRedDog42 on Oct 19, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would've thought the same for those reasons

but Belichick’s done it before – the 2006 receiving corps was pretty much late free agent pickups and trades – and if he wants Peppers to start off in the system as a solely pass-rushing OLB, there’s not a lot he needs to know to get started. He could rush the passer when he’s put into play, and gradually pick up the rest of the scheme as he plays.

I think it most unlikely Peppers will come to NE because of the cash he wants, not the trouble he’ll have adjusting (although there will be some, if he does).

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

San Diego?

We have several nose tackles. They have none. They have several pass-rushing OLBs. We’ve got… umm…

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, I considered that as a possibility myself

Unless they could prise Aaron Curry off them for AT and Matt Light? Ooh.

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ochocinco?

While rumors are flying, I’m dreaming based on the knowledge that any player Belichick praises has a good chance of being traded for by the Patriots. They constantly comment on how excellent eachother is, Ocho put it in a book. So anyway, Adalius, Galloway, Aiken, for Chad
 Randy Moss lining up opposite Chad OchoCinco with Welker in the Slot-ahahahahhahha

by Bru on Oct 19, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish

But I’ve heard no “I’m not happy here” stories from Chad in the last 6 months. And they’re winning games and a contender for the playoffs. I’d imagine it’d need high trade picks.

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tully...

…was tied for team lead in sacks. What possible reason would we do this?

Also, I don’t know how McGowan is in coverage. I’ve just seen him wreak havoc and force fumbles with his hits. Possibly move him to LB, like we wanted to do with Tank, and allow Sanders/Springs play cover Safety? McGowan has a nose for getting the ball and maybe putting him at LB will give him a better chance of getting involved on more plays? I know he’s WAY too light for LB, but perhaps they’ll keep him involved more with the short/middle range plays? Play him closer to the line?

by The Hill on Oct 19, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reason for cutting Banta-Cain

I think the reason they cut him is value. As a few have stated above, there seems to be a market for OLBs and DEs. I think something of a decent size is in the works. Hoodie don’t play unless it’s big time.

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by MaPatsFan on Oct 19, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some back room deal in the works?

Raiders? McDaniels? Pioli?

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by MaPatsFan on Oct 19, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless it's with the intent to re-sign him after they trade a few guys around

Free up a couple of roster slots, maybe some three-way trades? There are a few injury depleted squads around.

I’d hate to see Banta-Cain turn up as a Bill. Dun dun dunnn.

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salary Cap

Although Banta-Cain wasn’t earning a large contract. Could releasing him and trading Thomas make a payday for Wilfork?

by Bru on Oct 19, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't they owe him his contract anyway?

He was on a short-term veteran contract, which I think means they owed him once he made the roster at the start of the season?

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trading him, maybe

but getting no value out of losing your best pass-rusher on the year is baffling. The only time I’ve seen Belichick cut someone without pursuing trades, etc, is when he believes he’s got someone better in line – ie Greg Lewis vs Galloway. It’s not like anyone’s usurped Banta-Cain in the last couple of weeks, unless he really, really likes Ninkovich and/or Burgess.

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roster spots

Does this mean they will put Fred Taylor on IR? Assuming they trade possibly for a RB

by Bru on Oct 19, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Might depend on Morris

They seemed pretty intent on getting Taylor back, but that might have been predicated on having Morris as part of the rotation. If Morris can’t perform, they might need to go after another guy. Hopefully not, though.

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morris throwing a wrench in the works.

Conversely then, trade Morris or put him on IR, to keep the roster spot open for Fred? I like the idea of Taylor being healthy for a few post season games, but only hoodie knows

by Bru on Oct 19, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could happen

but that’s putting a lot on “Dance-dance” Maroney if all isn’t good. BJGE, Maroney and Faulk carrying the whole load?

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the ideal option

with the less than ideal one is that Maroney gets some reps, gets injured (again) and the backfield starts looking less healthy than the backup dancers in ‘Thriller’.

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey if he gets injured

green-ellis gets a chance, and we might be looking for another back next year. lets see if he’ll play a full season!

by patriotguy on Oct 19, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've got a glut of safties

We’ve got a solid starter in Sanders on the bench and a pretty good player in Chung, could be possible.

by A Guy on Oct 19, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoodie seems to like keeping safeties around

Especially when he can use them on special teams. They’re also significantly cheaper than corners, when it comes down to the mix of defensive backs. I’m not sure he’d want to get rid of any of the ones at present – McGowan’s too useful in covering the big receivers and he forces turnovers and seems to have leapfrogged Sanders on the depth chart, Meriweather is a leader and big-play guy, Chung’s a second-round pick who has an interception and a lot of special team reps. Sanders, of all of them, might be the odd one out, but he was being touted as the defensive captain/leader guy coming into the season. He probably doesn’t want to trade out the guy who is most likely to know all the defensive calls. Springs is a two-year guy who offers value as a veteran corner and can cover safety at a pinch – versatility Hoodie likes. I don’t see any of them leaving.

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 19, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

safeties

throw their bodies around and get injured.

"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

by Mainiac on Oct 20, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of a misnomer, Safeties playing unsafely....

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 20, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guess we'll all know

by this time Tuesday. Doesn’t make sense so far. Cain had the most sacks thru the pre-season plus his 3 so far during the season. At the rate he was going, probably had 8 or so sacks in the making for the season. What’s goin on BB? What’s going on?

 And, I don’t know why so many are still infatuated with D Branch. I haven’t seen any Seattle games, but isn’t he seriously on the downslide of his career? Moss/Welker/Edelman/Aiken TE-Baker/Watson – I think we’re good for receivers. With Nunn and Tate in the background as possibly getting activated this season, don’t think we need more WR’s.

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heart,' as the saying is upon Barsoom." Dejah Thoris

by ba-shiznit on Oct 19, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Branch

I don’t get the appeal of Branch either. He has pretty much been injured or underwhelming since the moment he left Foxborough.

by hythlodaeus on Oct 20, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tully was a system player

not particularly talented, was a bust in SF

"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

by Mainiac on Oct 20, 2009 12:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Even if he's a system player...

…if he excels in a system, why not let him excel?

Regardless, I see the Pats drafting a pair of OLBs in the second round next year. I’m expecting the 1st round pick to be a DE, if we keep it.

by The Hill on Oct 20, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given how well Vollmer's done

I wouldn’t mind the Pats using some of their first- and second-round picks on O-linesmen. Vollmer’s less frustrating that Meriweather or Maroney or Wheatley have been; imagine an O-line of two or three Vollmers. Maroney’s big TD run in the last game had more than a little due to Vollmer’s big block, after all.

by Comedic.Sans on Oct 20, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

O-line contracts

Last time I checked, the number of o-line contracts coming due in the next year or so was in the double digits. Beefing up (pun fully intended) with young guys is a solid strategy, IMO.

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by MaPatsFan on Oct 20, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The game's won or lost in the trenches.

Where’s the beef?

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 20, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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