What do the Patriots need?
Basically a simple post. What do you think the Patriots need to reach a level of play that ranks them amongst the best teams in the league?
What positions do they need to address?
Do they just need time?
What about the long term, where should they look to draft?
How should they adjust their game plans?
How should they deal with potential injuries?
What else can you think of?
This team isn't in shambles like half of the league, nor does it need an overhaul. However, that doesn't mean there's no room for improvement. In a game of inches, it's the little things that will bring this team back to the top.
*This is all for the sake of discussion because it should be fun to talk about!*
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I'll start with talking about the long term!
I’ll start with the draft.
Round 1
1 Pick- With Seymour gone and with me not seeing Wright as the answer, I can see the Patriots going after an elite D-End. Will they trade up? They have the resources to do that, but unless there is a player BB absolutely has fallen in love with, I don’t see them trading up. In fact, depending on where the Patriots end up in the draft, I can see him trading down into the 2nd round or collecting another first rounder in 2011.
Result: An elite D-End. BB gets his elite men in the trenches from the first round. Mankins, Warren, Seymour, Wilfork… I can see him attempting to bolster the run defense and pass rush with a complete player in the first round.
Round 2
3 Picks- One from Tennessee and one from Jacksonville
Here are where the Patriots’ early picks end. The Pats have done a tremendous job picking up first round quality players for cheaper and in bulk. I see the trend continuing. Here are where the picks are immediate support players. These players may not be immediate contributors on Offense or Defense, but they will be special teams impact players and, should an injury occur or a starter starts declining, they will see the field.
Pick 1: Judging by how Tennessee is doing, it will be one of the first picks in the round. I know that BB typically refrains from the positions he feels are easily replaceable in free agency (WRs/RBs), but I feel he will break the trend and choose a solid RB who can contribute right away in the committee. Sammy Morris is too injury prone, Fred Taylor isn’t the answer and Faulk is getting older, despite the fact that he’s playing better than ever. I see a RB being drafted to bolster the stable.
Pick 2: The Jagz pick should be in the first half of the round. I can see the Patriots drafting a strong OLB with this pick. They chose not to address the LB position really in the past draft, but I feel like they cannot ignore the position anymore, especially with bringing back Seau, releasing Banta-Cain and AD not performing to his potential. Also, there is still Crable and McKenzie who will pretty much be free draft picks as well, hoping they stay healthy. The Pats need a strong OLB and this is where they’ll get their player- to play alongside studs Guyton and Mayo for years to come.
Pick 3: There are no real glaring needs so I see BB addressing depth with this pick. I can see BB picking an additional D-Lineman here for depth. I can also see BB choosing a WR here to try and get a potential #3 receiver. I’ll go out on a limb and says BB diversifies his portfolio and grabs the best WR available.
Round 3
0 Picks
Round 4
1 Pick
Here is more depth. I say BB picks up a Right Guard with this pick. We can always use more depth on the O-Line and, barring injury, these middle round players are perfect for grooming behind a talented O-Line and will give them time to learn the system.
Round 5
0 Picks
Round 6
1 Pick
It’s harder to predict players towards the end of the draft, but BB usually uses these picks to add competition during preseason and see if any players are diamonds in the rough. I can see another QB as back-up, another lineman (O or D), even a TE. However, I’ll say that BB goes for a LB with this pick- a LB to be the special teams leader that Larry Izzo was.
Round 7
2 Picks
1st Pick: Here, BB goes for additional depth and picks an O-lineman, a player who can play either center or guard.
2nd pick: BB chooses a project player, much like Edelman, but not a player switching positions, just to see if he can get a steal in a late round. I predict the project player to be a LB/DE hybrid.
I say the Pat’s main needs are:
1) A dominant defensive end who can rush the QB and stop the run.
2) A dominant OLB who can provide pressure against the QB, can tackle in the open field and can defend against the pass in our 3-4 defense.
3) A WR who is a threat as a #3 receiver and can produce when Moss and Welker (and everyone else) is covered. We may have that in Edelman and Aiken, but I feel like a true #3 from the draft would be a worthy investment (also, this player could be Brandon Tate)
I also see the Patriots bringing in an undrafted QB to push Hoyer and also an undrafted Punter to push Hanson.
Time on Defense; some new faces on Offense
Defense:
Have you looked recently at the ages of the players that the Pats started on defense this past Sunday? The oldest player was Jarvis Green.
The Pats startered Wilhite, Butler, McGowan, Merriweather, Guyton, Mayo, Ninkovich, Alexander (I think), Warren, Wilfork, Green. Aside from Green, these guys are all 26 or under; most are around 23.
They might want to look into drafting a DE or OLB in the near future, but the defense is largely in a great position, both now and going forward.
Offense:
I’m not a Matt Light fan, so I’m very excited for Vollmer to take over that position. That’s just a matter of time.
Also, and I know it’s pretty much illegal to say this, in the next 3-4 years, I’d like to see them grab a QB that can take over for the eventual retirement/departure of TB. I know he says he wants to play until he’s 40, but you just never know.
I think Hill is right, that WR and RB will almost always get taken care of through free agency (though they do have an impressive stock of young WRs). The one exception might be Faulk’s replacement. This is the one type of RB I think they should consider drafting.
My thoughts
aren’t far off you two, except I’d think Hoodie may want to stock up on the offensive line more than the defensive, for two reasons. As nbradley07 pointed out, the D is very young. They’ve got three solid starters in Wilfork, Green and Warren. They’ve also drafted a bunch of capable backups this year. The D-line is set for a while, especially once Brace gets up to speed. I don’t see them picking a D-lineman in the first or second unless an absolute stud drops right through the ranks for some reason.
My own theory is that next draft Hoodie will address the O-line. The O-line is getting old and injury prone, and all their contracts are running out. Factor in the emergence of Sea-Bass, and Hoodie will feel he and Dante Sarnecchia can identify and draft stud O-linesmen. Remember, the last two top-two round picks they used on the O-line were Vollmer and Mankins – at the time, both were considered reaches. Mankins became a Pro-Bowler, and Vollmer is that rare breed of Tackle who can play both sides effectively. They ought to like their chances.
I don’t see Hoodie drafting a WR in the first day, either. They’ve got young blood in Tate and Nunn, they’ve got a top combination in Moss and Welker, and they’ve got a history of getting great production out of free agent receivers. There are also due to be a fair number of good receivers hitting free agency next year, so the Pats can mix and match to get the guy they want in free agency without risking draft picks.
Finally, I’m torn on whether Hoodie will draft a linebacker or two. The Pats linebacker corps is actually fairly young overall, especially if you include Crable and McKenzie in the mix. Again, this is a position Hoodie has generally addressed in free agency, because he likes having experienced guys who won’t wilt under his complex system. Whether he drafts one or not could depend entirely on the performance of Adalius Thomas, who is the highest paid of the current linebackers. If he plays the rest of the season like a hellion, they might rely on him being able to produce. If he doesn’t, they might go after someone who will, either in trade, free agency, or in the draft.
I think we'll get an LB or two
We still lack depth, Crable and McKenzie have never made it to the regular season, so I think they will get someone. Maybe not a Mayo, more like an Izzo / Alexander. Don’t know. OLB still may not be completely addressed.
I agree on the O-Line. Top draft picks, pick up some prime A beef. Keep the QB upright. Oh, and mentioning QB, if you like someone, grab them and develop them. No harm, no foul in the later rounds.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 20, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see them going after a solid backup/special teamer
in the third/fourth region, but I was more meaning whether I thought they’d go after a first or second round LB. I don’t see it unless a stud drops to them. It’s cheaper to go after two mid-level guys for each OLB position – one to pass-rush, one to run-stop – that it is to go after a top-level, do-everything guy. Plus it builds in a redundancy – having two guys fill out the position means that there’s a capable cover if one gets injured.
by Comedic.Sans on Oct 20, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
They should go for a cloning machine
To get backups for Brady, Moss, and Welker.
We could steal a little DNA from other teams we play to fully flesh the team out. We could make a Peyton clone and finally answer the question of who is better.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 20, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Who would you take?
A hybrid of Gonzales and Gates for a TE prototype.
by Richard Hill on Oct 20, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If wishes were fishes
A hybrid of Sea-Bass Vollmer and Randy Moss. I don’t care what position he plays. Just imagine it.
by Comedic.Sans on Oct 20, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What 6-8 300# with Moss speed, jumping and hands.
At any position you wanted.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 20, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Wildcat QB
Not putting it into his hands every single play would be a travesty.
by Comedic.Sans on Oct 20, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year Daunte Culpepper was just shy of 300#
He took of on a run, and I saw a CB just bounce off of him. It looked like the guy had hit a wall. No speed at all, but just a wall of flesh. No wonder the QB in an LB’s body Roethlisburger is so hard to bring down. CB blitz is completely ineffective.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 21, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Jacobs...
…already exists. Kidding. Sort of.
by Richard Hill on Oct 20, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I've only seen that size/speed/physicality in one other guy
(Adrian Peterson’s smaller, so doesn’t count). Jonah Lomu, who played rugby for New Zealand (and I had the honour of playing against him once, chyeah). 6’5", 254lbs, ran the 100m in 10.8 seconds.
I’d link you guys to Youtube stuff, but I’m sure there are highlight packages around that I’d probably miss. Google if you wish – the guy was a freak. There were rumours he was being considered by the NFL at one point, but he got a kidney disorder and that messed him around for a few years in the middle of his career.
by Comedic.Sans on Oct 20, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Were you playing pro?
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 20, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No, top level amateur
A lot of the guys I played with since I was a kid and played alongside in representative teams are now professional players, though. I went to law school instead. Aha.
by Comedic.Sans on Oct 21, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Serious question, were/are you a pro player?
That’s like a 9.88 second 100 yard. It would be 3.95 second 40 time, except it doesn’t really work that way. The 40 time is more acceleration to get up to speed, while the 100 yard, you’re at top speed during most of it.
I played soccer in England for two years with some guys that ended up in the premier league, but I was just on the base team. We got schooled some, but held our own as well. Played fullback. Then went to Germany for two years and did the same there. Good times.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 21, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I've lived, and I'm still living
Join the military, see the world, bomb things. Play soccer in your time off, go volksmarching, whatever.
The other signature I was going to use is:
My life is a trivial pursuit.
Maybe I could use both?
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 21, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Trying out the dual signature:
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 21, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I was in the top level club team
and the way the system goes, there are 8 teams in the top club competition and they pick the regional professional team out of that pool of players, so even as a 17 year old I was in and around that level. About a dozen guys I played with are now pro of various levels, and two or three are now All Blacks.
I’m not sure Jonah’s 40 time would’ve been blistering – he was more top-level speed than short-line acceleration, mainly because he was 250+ pounds and 6’5". He was pretty quick on a burst, though. Only way to stop him was to get in his face as soon as he touched the ball.
This is probably the game he’s most known for – semi-final of the 1995 World Cup, when he was 18 years old or so, he scored 4 times and was basically unstoppable the entire game against quality opposition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN3KuenjmaY&NR=1
by Comedic.Sans on Oct 21, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 21, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Sea-Bass?
Now I follow the Pats and I enjoy football greatly but when was Vollmer, I believe, nicknamed Sea-bass? Was it in college? But if it wasn’t then shame on you fans for nicknaming a football player that! That is Cam Neely’s nickname of the Bruins!
I don’t really care but as a Bruins fan and Pats fan it is odd to see that nickname used for a football player instead of Neely.
by fistfulofsteel39 on Oct 20, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed with Marima
And also, I’ve always referred to Cam Neely as “Bam-Bam”. So yeah. Hah.
by Richard Hill on Oct 20, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a knock on him, just curious
I know him as Bam Bam too, just always called him Sea Bass. It’s just odd for me to hear someone else called that cause I naturally think they are talking bout Neely. But hell the kid looks good playing, more power to him! Keep it up kid!
by fistfulofsteel39 on Oct 20, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I know... and I was a huge Cam Neely fan
from the skinny kid he was when he first came to Boston (single and looking for girls), to the day the Bruins retired his jersey, and then when he was honored at the Hall of Fame. Those were exciting times to be a hockey fan in Boston, especially when we weren’t getting a whole lot of love from the Patriots. Plus as a college student, I could actually afford tickets to the garden – $8-13 bucks, lol.
Keep the faith!
The garden sigh
I can’t afford tickets now, it’s nuts! Neely was one of a kind, so was the Boston Garden!
by fistfulofsteel39 on Oct 20, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions

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