New England Patriots Links 10/05/09 - Patriots over Ravens 27-21, A Cool Win Under Pressure
by Marima on Oct 5, 2009 9:37 AM EDT
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Bill Belichick Post-Game comments:
It was quite a finish. That was a good football game out there today. I'm really proud of our players, couldn't be prouder of them. They stepped up, went toe-to-toe with a team that, offensively, already set some franchise records this early in the season. Defensively, [they are] probably as good a defense - really clearly the best defense - in this decade. They've got some great football players.
I thought our guys really hung in there and made enough plays to win. I'm really proud of them. [They] made some key plays, a couple fourth-down stops, a couple big conversions, got the ball in, in the red area, tried to punch a few runs in there at them, but they are tough to do everything against defensively. [I] give our players all the credit in the world.
Special teams, we got some big plays in that area, started the game off with a great tempo to play, knocking the ball off on the kickoff coverage. We just got to turn it around now and get back on the road, but this is a real good win for us. [The] guys prepared hard. They had a real good week of practice, and they played pretty good against a real good football team, a well-coached team, a team with a lot of good football players. [I'm] happy to win, real happy to win.
Tom Brady comments on whether the team needed this win.
We did and it was a good team. You've got to earn everything off them and there were some opportunities out there that we took advantage of and ones we didn't take advantage of, which was why it was pretty close at the end. But it was great to see the defense step it up like they did at the end. That was a big situation for them against a good offense, and they really stepped up and made the plays.
Randy Moss Post-Game comments.
Well, I think that our philosophy and [having not been] really executing, we put a point of emphasis just to go out there and execute because we've been shooting our own selves in the toes. I think Tommy Boy [Brady] started it off with that quarterback sneak on the first touchdown and that's what really got us started. We did some good things out there. I hope, what's his name, #71 [Jared Gaither], I hope he's alright. Anytime you see a guy get carried off the field, the stadium's quiet, guys weren't really into the game, so I hope he's all right.
TEAM TALK
- Game Notes: Patriots vs. Ravens. Lots of good info here from the game.
- Erik Scalavino Ravens-Pats analysis: New England's D the key.
- Post-Game quotes: Ravens and Patriots.
- Post-Game Pressers: Bill Belichick (9 min.), Tom Brady (5 min.) and Randy Moss (5 min.), Plus Transcripts.
LOCAL LINKS
- Michael Vega says yesterday's thriller was even better than last Sunday's thriller against Atlanta.
- Shalise Manza Young tells us to doubt no more about these Pats, but these Patriots seem to thrive on it.
- Bob Ryan feels "this was a very, very, very good win for the Patriots, a team working hard every week to figure out just who it is and how good it can be."
- Chris Gasper reports four weeks into the season, the Patriots’ defense has its identity - it’s better than you think.
- Ian Rapoport says the Patriots defense stopped all doubts with a virtually untested defense pulling off two fourth-down stops in the final six minutes.
- Julian Benbow notes how Brady spread the offense around to nine receivers, who combined for 21 catches and 258 yards, giving Baltimore a multitude of looks.
- Karen Guregian reports the offense was kicked into a gear that hasn't been seen yet this season, and it will only get better.
- Christopher Price offers his ten things we learned yesterday: D-day for Patriots.
- Jim Donaldson says the Patriots were both lucky and good against Ravens on Sunday.
- Chris Gasper presents his Ups and Downs from Sunday's win over the Ravens.
- Tony Massarotti jumps on bandwagon. "Brady was more accurate and efficient than he has been in any game this season, using an effective mix of run and pass - and, yes, penalties - to defeat a Baltimore team that, like the Atlanta Falcons before it, came into Foxborough unbeaten."
- Michael Vega and Chris Gasper Patriots Notebook: Sammy Morris flourishing in any role; Junior Seau rumored to sign with Pats this week; Defense happy to have Wilfork (2 tackles) back; Players on both sides talk about the penalties; plus many more firsts and notes from Sunday.
- Dan Ventura says the play of the game was Ravens' WR Mark Clayton dropped a perfectly thrown Flacco pass on 4th and 4.
- Karen Guregian points out that Welker felt good to be out there, but not his best. He's not where he wants to be - either fully healthy or watching from the bench.
- Dan Duggan notes Mike Wright is doing his best to replace Richard Seymour, finishing with three tackles and two sacks.
- Kirk Minihane tells Patriots fans to hold their heads up, their team is back.
- Lauren Carter says hope is building in Patriot Nation.
NATIONAL NEWS
- NFL Game Center Patriots over Ravens 27-21. Analysis, recap, stats and that nifty highlight clip.
- Mike Reiss (ESPNBoston) Ravens' leaders rip into referees.
- Mike Reiss explains the fake FG/challenge in 4th quarter; Harrison makes it clear he was joking with Brady, and texted him beforehand; Picks out the games three stars; and gives a shout out to the Pats defense.
- Tim Graham (ESPN) Brady on the run means Patriots are back; Patriots taking advantage of Ravens' kindness; and Harrison doesn't skirt Lewis' criticism of Brady.
- Vic Carucci (NFL.com) Patriots assume usual role of Super Bowl contender.
- Matt Bowen (Nat'l Football Post) Sunday Rewind Week 4: Big days for Brady and Manning, not for Sanchez.
- Aaron Wilson (Nat'l Football Post) Ravens infuriated by officiating in loss to Patriots.
- Albert Breer (Sporting News) Patriots' warning: 'We're coming together.'
- Tedy Bruschi (ESPNBoston) Bruschi on tap: Welker's return and thoughts on yesterday's win.
- James Walker (ESPN) Wrap-up: Patriots 27, Ravens 21.
- ESPNBoston.com: Check out this site for more Patriots-related videos, post-game pressers and reaction to the game.
- Don Banks (SI) Snap Judgments: Titans need QB change, the gutty Pats, plus more.
- Peter King (SI) MMQB: Four weeks into 2009 season, NFL truths beginning to emerge.
VIEW FROM BALTIMORE
- Ryan Mink (BaltimoreRavens.com) Mistakes plague Ravens.
- Jamison Hensley (Baltimore Sun) Ravens brought down to earth.
- Mike Preston (Baltimore Sun) Ravens: Live by the pass, die by the pass.
- Edward Lee (Baltimore Sun) News on Ravens' Gaither appears to be good.
- Mike Preston (Baltimore Sun) It was a bad day for NFL officiating.
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I don't think New England can deny this
I guess in the Boston and Foxborough areas, it’s illegal to get within the same zip code of New England quarterback Tom Brady without drawing a roughing the quarterback penalty. It’s even worse when Brady is gesturing to the official to throw the flag and then the official throws it, which draws laughter from Brady.
The segment will be played repeatedly for the next couple of days, and the Ravens and Lewis will be blamed for having sour grapes. But that’s not the case. Lewis will also be fined but I suggest the NFL review the tapes, and then start handing out fines to some of the officials for missed calls. It was a bad day for the NFL.
Suggs got pushed to the ground by the O-Lineman, his helmet grazed the thigh of Brady, and Brady begged for a call, jumping around like a 7 year old on Halloween. And no one in NE can deny he acted like a little B*tch on that play. I find it funny that the league will talk more about us complaining, then they will Brady being pampered.
All good though. Ravens were robbed on a 3rd and 16 in the final minutes last year at home against Tennessee in week 4 when Suggs’ hand came down on Kerry Collins shoulder, while being blocked, while trying to swat the ball. We lost because of that play. It’s fine though, because we gave it to them later on in the playoffs. Same will happen this time.
See you in Baltimore.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
calm down
This isn’t a “protect Brady and screw the other QBs in the league” call.
Look around through week 4 and you’ll see many defenders getting flagged for those calls. The R-T-P calls for slapping at or touching the passer’s helmet are ridiculous, and the Ravens aren’t the only team getting called for those. Mike Wright got called for one and so did one of the Baltimore defenders.
Dives at the passer’s knees are a judgment call for the referee, and at this point they’re going to make what they consider to be the “safe” call every time. Wilfork was flagged the first game of the season for a legitimate tackle of the QB – below the head and above the knee, but it didn’t matter. The flag was thrown and the penalty assessed – it didn’t matter that later on that week Wilfork gets a letter from the league admitting their mistake, the play was over and the damage already done.
Brady is going to do whatever he can to win a game. If that means making sure a penalty is called, then he’ll do it. Baltimore receivers and defenders are no different from other team’s players in the league – every time there’s a catch the defender is looking for a holding call or offensive pass interference. Every time a receiver drops a ball or gets one knocked away, the receiver is looking to the refs and pointing to the defender for a pass interference call. Happens every game on both sides of the ball. Are those players b*tches too?
Brady’s our QB, and it stunk having him gone for a year in his prime, but I still don’t like the “Touching the Passer” penalties. Don’t forget, it hurts our defenders too, and disrupts the game. Legitimate intent to injure, or helmet to helmet rules are already in place and the “refinements” added this season don’t do the sport any favors.
Brady didn’t ask for the rule, just like Hines Ward never wanted a new rule named for him. Don’t blame him for doing whatever he can to help his team win.
Keep the faith!
One more thing...
I’m not sure I want to see you guys again this season. Once was enough, thank you very much. Just keep those Steelers from getting too cocky.
Keep the faith!
Oh, I want you guys again.
Badly, very badly.
I will give it to Tom that he is that great of a QB that he can actually change the outcome of a game because of penalties. The league does not want to see him out another year, so they invented the rule. Using a penalty is to your advantage is a great way to win a game, I give it to him. But come January, if you see us again, I can bet that these roughing the passer calls will actually have some roughing involved from our side. He wants to bitch and moan, jump around, wave his hands in the air, laugh, smile, all of that crap because a hand touched his leg while a defender was falling to the ground, he can use that to his advantage.
But we will make sure we hit him and he does not return. We will take advantage of those calls by knocking Brady out of the game. That is how we do it in Baltimore, anyway we can win, we will take it. We are dirty, ugly rat birds, and I am glad you do not want to see us again
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
one hand pump
isn’t “bitching and moaning, jumping around, waving his hands in the air, laughing, smiling” etc… but I can sure see it from you. And good. I hope you keep at it. Maybe Harbaugh will tell the refs how he really feels about it too and one of your defenders can throw a couple of yellow flags in the stands again for old times sake. Go ahead, your opponents will just turn the extra 15, 30, 45 yards into 7, 14, 21 points. See how that works out for you.
Keep the faith!
I didn't realise you were actually in the Ravens...
Oh wait. You’re not. Guess you’ll feel a bit of a dick when “we will make sure we hit him and he does not return” doesn’t happen. Someone needs a reality check…
You don't even know what you saw.
Suggs tossed an elbow out there. It was almost exactly the same play that got Wilfork fined and pilloried from Orchard Park to Albany a year or two ago, except Brady had the awareness to side-step the defender. Brady sees 15 yards he can pick up for free — who can blame him for pointing that out to the ref?
Just keep buying into the BS and ignoring the 15 yards we picked up because your coach can’t keep his mouth shut. Lack of discipline comes from the top down.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Oct 5, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
good point
forgot about the bench penalty. It was the same deal last year though with a bunch of unnecessary penalties near the end of the game.
Keep the faith!
I recorded the game and went back and watched both phantom roughing the passer calls. The Suggs one, you can clearly see your offensive lineman push Suggs in the back, which causes him to fall forward and grazes Brady’s leg. Go back and watch that exact play and tell me how much roughing was involved there.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
take it up
With Roger Goodell.
And next time catch your 4th down pass.
"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
Ok
I just watched some NFL Live, and it was funny that Chris Berman, Tom Jackson and Trent Dilfer all called the refs a disgrace in yesterdays game. I do not feel that the refs lost us the game completely, but those 3 guys flat out said that the refs were the difference, again, between a loss and a victory.
I wonder if Flacco danced up and down laughing and giggling for a flag, if he would get it? Probably not.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Rich Eisen, Deion Sanders and Steve Marriucci all see it the same way
According to the rule, the refs had to make those calls. What, suddenly you don’t think rules have to be followed? Tell that to Belichick. Or is it that rules are only okay to break when it’s your team breaking them? Sheesh.
Keep the faith!
Like those guys are credible.
Look — the fact that he got pushed matters not one bit. Same thing with Wilfork. And the “amount” of roughing matters the same — none.
The rule was enforced as the rule was written.
I just don’t understand how you can say “the refs were the difference.” Even if you think the call was wrong — which it wasn’t — you could have gotten those 15 yards back if your coach could keep his stupid trap shut. Instead, like RayRay, like Ed Reed (who I love as a player), he mouthed off and got dinged again.
Did I think it was malicious? Certainly not. Was it a bad hit? No way. He barely even touched me. The refs were calling it pretty tight yesterday. That crew has been known to call it tight. Coach Belichick told us before the game [that crew] called the most penalties in 2007, they had called the most penalties in 2008, and they were on pace for second this season. So we knew they were calling it tight.
Do you think Harbaugh even thought about having that conversation with his team, perhaps going over the “points of emphasis” for the officiating that every team is given by the league in the preseason, reminding them that this crew are a bunch of tight-asses? Do you think they watched any games from the first three weeks and saw (as anyone with eyes did) that the QB protection rules are both ridiculous and are being strictly (even over-) enforced?
I strongly doubt it. Because he’s an idiot and it trickles down to his players. You had 13 plays on the last drive. Seven of them were exactly the same pass on the same route to the same side to either Clayton or Mason. No wonder one finally failed. But they went right back to it — and guess what? Another failure. You guys were ripping off almost 7 yards per carry! How many times did you run? 17 times, all game. Against 47 pass attempts.
You’re flat wrong about the enforcement of the rule. Whining about it, insisting that it cost you the game, makes you look like a child. Believe me, there’s been more than one game the Pats dropped over the last few years on horrible calls (one against the Colts comes immediately to mind). But if it comes down to the calls, that’s on you. I’ve never played for a coach — high school or college — who ever saw it any other way. No matter what they might secretly think.
If you don’t look at it that way, it becomes a distraction. Which, in the Ravens case, it clearly has. I think you can look for them to continue racking up dumb penalties over the rest of the season, because their coach has given them a permanent pass: “Hey, that’s the way we play. You don’t like it? Tough.”
Who cares? The rule is as the rule is. Either adjust or pay the price.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Oct 5, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to tell the kids in soccer.
These are the rules, but in reality the rules are what the officials call. If they call them on you and not the other team, those are the rules we play by in this game. Is it fair? No, but that’s what it is.
You can still win with bad officiating. You can still lose with beneficial officiating. Believe it or not, the officials aren’t out to get you.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 5, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You play to win the game
If your quarterback isn’t doing everything in his power to do so, I’m sorry.
"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
As opposed to dropping 4th-and-short passes to put the team in a position to win the game?
Oh yes. Completely the refs, Had absolutely nothing to do with the Ravens inability to score points when they’re needed most. Mhmm.
Super Bowl 2007
The Giants offensive linemen have their hands inside the helmet of the defender who is trying to bring Eli down. Eli didn’t break away for “the catch” the defender was ripped away by his jaw. Game’s over, sucky calls are made. Yours didn’t involve loss of a Super Bowl ring.
Wilfork was fined for almost the same thing a couple years ago before “The Brady rule” or rather the Brady refinement to an existing rule. When Suggs is willing to stand there and stop a running back with his knees, I’ll listen to his opinion. Sucky calls happen.
Making better plays gets rid of them.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 5, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand
And in my write up I did at our blog, I put the officials as a reason we lost at the bottom, because even though they may have screwed us on 2 big time 3 and outs we had on you guys which turned into 14 points, the refs do not put the ball in the endzone.
We had our shots, I know we did. We did not take advantage of them. You guys had your chances to blow the game out of the water, and did not take advantage of them at all. I do not think the better team won yesterday though. Just my opinion of course….
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I understand
We beat the Giants twice in 2007, and lost to them once – when it counted. I don’t think the better team won then, either.
From the fan of a team that’s done it, going undefeated sucks. It is a huge distraction to the team, and makes it majorly hard to focus in the post season. If you guys had to lose one game to stay focused, be glad it was in week 4 and not in November or December. The Ravens are tough and the game could have gone either way.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 5, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this
From the fan of a team that’s done it, going undefeated sucks. It is a huge distraction to the team, and makes it majorly hard to focus in the post season. If you guys had to lose one game to stay focused, be glad it was in week 4 and not in November or December. The Ravens are tough and the game could have gone either way.
I have been telling people all day today that if there is any way for our team to get a kick in the ass after a loss, it would be this way. We did not get blown out, but know we could play much better. You should feel sorry for what is going to happen to the Bengals next week when they come to Baltimore. It is going to be very, very ugly.
Thanks for the compliments brother.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Each team strengthens one another in the division and the conference
You’re only as good as the teams you fight along the way. The Ravens and the Patriots are stronger because of this fight. I don’t envy the Bengals.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 5, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, just look to Colts-Patriots
The whole pass interference penalties came about because Colts GM Bill Polian complained so bitterly about the Patriots defenders manhandling his Colts receivers that he had the rule changed the next season.
Colts-Pats 2007. Patriots go into that matchup the most disciplined team in the league and manage to get 147 yards of penalties called against them on 10 flags thrown. The Colts slide away with only 25 yards on 4 penalties. Don’t even try to imply that the Patriots are favored when it comes to penalties being called. That’s just one example, but games and penalties get called against New England too. When Rodney Harrison joined the team, all he had to do was look sideways at a player and he got flagged. Unfair? You bet, but that’s how it is.
And ESPN didn’t even mention that there was even a roughing the passer penalty called against the Patriots too, on Mike Wright. A 2 vs.1 on that penalty being called isn’t exactly showing blatant favoritism on one team over another.
Keep the faith!
Ain't noone on the Pats side
But the Pats. You have to be blind to see that.
"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
The top teams find a way to win games IN SPITE of bad officiating.
The Pats have had to do it before. So have the Colts, the Giants, and the Steelers. And you’ll notice none of them whinge, moan and bitch about it ad nauseum afterwards. They just get on and do their jobs.
Maybe it’s the difference between being a good team, and being a classy team. Then again, maybe just having another 30 posts crying about an iffy call will salve your pride, or something.
Everytime I read postgame comments, I dread the ones from Moss.
I keep thinking "Is this the one where he’s going to complain about the lack of big passes and touchdowns going his way? Is this where he says the reason the offense isn’t dominating is because of some lack of attention paid to him.
I’m glad that this fear has been completely irrational, even through the love of Wes Welker by Matt Cassel and Brady’s rusty start this year. Maybe it’s just that the record-breaking season earns the team a ton of extra credit that’s been stockpiled away, but it’s nice to see that our controversial wide receiver has, by-and-large, been anything but when you look over towards Buffalo and see the impending mushroom cloud of TO.
the media has been waiting for a slip-up... and hoping.
and they get nothing but good-sportsmanship from Moss week in and week out. Mike Freeman couldn’t wait any longer for Moss to implode so had had to write his ‘hate’ article anyway last week. Another example of facts getting in the way of a good story.
Keep the faith!
Moss has bought into the system
Especially after 2007 and setting the record, he’s a believer. The old Moss is gone, like the old Corey Dillon died when he came over and saw how professional teams behave.
"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
Moss has always worked his butt off.
In Minnesota and especially Oakland, he was frustrated because other players weren’t taking it seriously. He was frustrated. Slackers in Foxboro are shown the door quickly. He likes this sort of gated community.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 5, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
When you're on an awful team, you can only hope for good personal performances
When you’re on a championship contender, it’s easy to forgive so-so stats. If Moss was getting no catches in a 0-4 or 1-3 team, a la Terrell Owens, he’d probably be furious. Most competitive footballers would be, and WRs tend to be some of the more vocal ones.
Winning changes people’s disposition.
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