New England Patriots Links 11/17/09 - Undebatable: Time To Focus On The Jersey Jets
by Marima on Nov 17, 2009 10:00 AM EST
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Bill Belichick talks about the game at his Monday Press Conference.
I thought it was our best chance to win. I thought we needed to make that one play and then we could basically run out the clock. We weren't able to make it.
Well, there're a lot of the decisions in the game that we all have to make - coaches, players. Each play is filled with decisions and you try to do the best you can on those and I think that's what we all do.
I tell the team - and I think they believe that I do what I feel like is best for our football team to win every game. I put the team first and I put those decisions first. I would hope everybody understands that.
[Asked if he would make that call again] You only get one chance.
[On the Colts moving the ball quickly downfield] We knew that. It didn't take those drives to figure that out. It's an explosive offense; we've seen them do it in one play. They did it to us two years ago on a 73-yard check down to [Joseph] Addai. It went the whole length of the field. We know how explosive they are. Anytime they have the ball they are capable of scoring. They're capable of scoring touchdowns. They're capable of scoring them in a hurry. They're capable of scoring them in one play. That's playing the Colts. I don't think that's anything that was overly significant in this game and that's the way it is in every game.
It’s disappointing to come up short in a game like that and I think we all feel it - as we should - [because] we put a lot into it,’’ Belichick said. "There were a lot of plays in that game that you think about. Obviously from a coaching standpoint, there are always a lot of things that could have been done better by me, the players, and everybody else.
You always feel that way after a tough loss like that. We’ve all got to do a better job, starting with me, and find a way to win those games.
TEAM TALK
- Erik Scalavino notes Belichick granted the team a rare Monday off to recoup and come back prepared to focus on the Jets.
- Monday Press Conference: Bill Belichick (13:54 min. video) Plus Transcript.
- Patriots Today: A stunner in Indy. (11.35 min. video)
- WEEI Patriots Monday: Brandon Meriweather (9:07 min. audio) and Bill Belichick (35:40 min.)
LOCAL LINKS
- Adam Kilgore offers another vote for Bill Belichick and an intriguing argument in support of his decision.
- Jim Donaldson feels Belichick made the right call, it just didn't work out.
- Bill Reynolds thinks Belichick's decision was foolish, even if it worked.
- Chris Gasper puts that Belichick decision on the wrong side of the line between genius and madness.
- Albert Breer notes Charles Gruden had Belichick's back.
- Mike Reiss notes there are no updates yet on Patriots injured in Sunday's game: Banta-Cain (rib), Sam Aiken (hip), Stephen Neal (head) and Rob Ninkovich (knee).
- Christopher Price lists his Ten Things we learned from Sunday.
- Mike Reiss presents his Ten Quick Hit Thoughts on the Patriots.
- Christopher Price discusses Belichick's history of 4th downs. It's anything but conventional.
- Tony Massarotti asserts that the damage done to their season Sunday night was considerable.
- Monique Walker says this isn't the first daring decision Belichick made this year. Against the Falcons, he went for it on 4th and 1 from the Patriots own 24.
- Robert Lee talks about the coach's decision to go for it on 4th and 2, and the final timeout that was called beforehand.
- Ian Rapoport notes Belichick has been hit from all sides over his decision, even from supporters and ex-players such as Tedy Bruschi (who took it waaaaay too personally) and Rodney Harrison.
- Karen Guregian argues that right now the Patriots defense is not up to the task of stopping the league's best quarterbacks.
- Dan Duggan reports on Belichick facing the chorus of criticism from the media.
- Gerry Callahan points out that Jim Zorn, Todd Haley, John Fox and Norv Turner won Sunday but 'the great Belichick' lost because he out-geniused himself.
- Dan Guttenplan tells everyone to stop hating on Belichick. You can question his decision, but you can’t question his motive.
- Ron Borges grades the Patriots in his weekly report card. Brady and Moss at the head of the class. C'mon, take a guess at what he gave Belichick?
- Boston Herald Patriots Notebook: Rookie Sebastian Vollmer made Dwight Freeney disappear; Kevin Faulk was distraught after the loss; The Patriots lead charter bus hit a parked police car on the way out of the parking lot sustaining only minor damage and no one was hurt.
NATIONAL NEWS
- Michael Lombardi (Nat'l Football Post) Patriots' Belichick confident, not arrogant.
- Alok Pattani (ESPN Stats and Information) Formula seems to validate Patriot's 4th-down call.
- Michael Lombardi (Nat'l Football Post) Belichick prepares for every situation, even this one.
- Joe Posnanski (SI) Why Bill Belichick made the right decision.
- Tim Graham (ESPN) Whisenhunt stands behind Belichick.
- Dan Wetzel (Yahoo! Sports) Criticism for Belichick is misguided: Blame the refs who blew the call.
- Steve Wyche (NFL.com) Easy to second guess, but Belichick was just playing the percentages.
- Judy Battista (NY Times) Belichick's latest gamble backfires.
- Dan Shanoff (Sporting News) Belichick made the right call.
- Brian Burke (NY Times) Defending Belichick's fourth-down decision.
- John Czarnecki (Fox Sports) The real problem with Belichick's call wasn't that he went for it, it was the actual play that was called.
- Michael Lombardi (NFL.com) Belichick's move done out of respect for Manning's abilities.
- Clifton Brown (Sporting News) Sunday night blunder: Belichick's bold move backfires.
- Andrew Perloff (SI) Does Belichick's relationship with the media play a big part in their attacks?
- Tim Graham (ESPN) Who are the go-to guys on third down?
VIEW FROM NEW YORK
- Mark Cannizzaro (NY Post) Loss makes Jets coach emotional Rex: Team meeting after Jags debacle brings impassioned coach to tears.
- Steve Serby (NY Post) These Jets ought to be ashamed.
- William C. Rhoden (NY Times) After all that bluster, the Jets are barely breathing.
- Mike Vaccaro (NY Post) Rex's blatherers forced to eat their own words.
- Mark Cannizzaro (NY Post) Jets D-Line coach Locklin shown the door.
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Adam Kilgore's argument is like the llama dung story.
While the story is far more fiction than fact, it is a cautionary tale about doing things a certain way just because that’s the way they were always done. In engineering, alot of times there is design re-use. Less time to market if you don’t have to reinvent the wheel each time. That may include bringing along some llama dung.
On the engineering side, the design needs to be evaluated along these lines:
1) It was a good way to do it, and the design is still valid.
2) It was a good way to do it, but now there are better ways.
3) It was stupid to do it that way in the first place, and it would be even more foolish to continue the practice.
Adam argues punting is alot like #3. If you always went for it on fourth down, then third down becomes nothing more than another second down. The offense has more options, because you’re not always trying to convert on third down. You may be just trying to decrease the yardage like second down. It also keeps the defense on the field longer, which could help later in the game.
Oh, for real, positive uses of llama dung, click here.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 17, 2009 11:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, Marima, I wasn't trying to keep the potty humor alive here.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 17, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well... since llama dung doesn't specifically involve the use of a potty
it’s okay, but I can certainly understand the urge to not let an opportunity to use llama dung in a comment pass by untaken.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Nov 17, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no crap!
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 17, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
Give me cool, efficient, analytical Bill Belichick over Cryin’ Ryan any day of the week.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Nov 17, 2009 11:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bill Belichick is a HOF coach and the media just want the dramatic headlines
colts fan here.
I wish that Bill Belichick would have punted that ball and not because it was the best call i believe he tried to win the game right there and it scared the hell out of me , i said well game over , but Bullit came up big a made a play.
Bill Belichick is one if not the best coach ever to play this game he had access to imformation during the game that we and the media dont have he did what he thought was their best chance to win but failing he also avoided a Peyton heroic last drive and the headlines would have been different.
On the Colts moving the ball quickly downfield] We knew that. It didn’t take those drives to figure that out. It’s an explosive offense; we’ve seen them do it in one play. They did it to us two years ago on a 73-yard check down to [Joseph] Addai. It went the whole length of the field. We know how explosive they are. Anytime they have the ball they are capable of scoring. They’re capable of scoring touchdowns. They’re capable of scoring them in a hurry. They’re capable of scoring them in one play. That’s playing the Colts. I don’t think that’s anything that was overly significant in this game and that’s the way it is in every game.
I cant believe that Bill Belichick is the only one giving the Colts the credit of a come back from 17 points in half a quarter, media there is such thing as a 12th round knockout if it happens the previous 11 rounds dont mean anything. the game is 60 minutes and is not over until hte final whistle. Pats fans Bill Belichick have given you glory for years i would be ashamed of not trusting on his decisions , he knew putting the game on Peyton hand to win or lose was not a smart thing to do in that moment and circumstances his best shot at it was win it right there with the ball on his also HOF QB hands.
Credit where is due, is that a hard thing to ask for?
by thebossuzzi on Nov 17, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No kidding, that was the ultimate compliment to Manning and the Colts offense
The media didn’t see it that way it seems. Any other QB and BB would have punted.
by bbismyhero on Nov 17, 2009 12:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
For the media it's a choice
Take advantage of a debatable call to bash a guy they hate, or compliment a great team on a well-played game by a team that hung in there and didn’t give up. No dirty hits, tantrums or loudmouth blowhards spouting off to focus on – just two of the best teams in the league battling out a great game.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Nov 17, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of the media,where was all the criticism of Belichick when he did almost the same play against the Falcons a couple weeks ago, O that’s right you guys won that one so there wasn’t any criticism of him.
by Ufanforreal on Nov 17, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, I am less of a Teddy Bruschi fan right now
His comments really upset me.
1.) The defense did have opportunities to make a play. They had the whole frieken 4th quarter and they couldn’t stop the Colts. They blew a 17 point 4th quarter lead and he is defending them while ripping Belichick!?
2.) Where were your big stops in the 2006 AFC Championship Bruschi? Where was your stop when the Giants were marching down the field in the Super Bowl?
I appreciate all he did for the Pats but those comments really upset me.
by bbismyhero on Nov 17, 2009 12:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I highly doubt the veracity of his other comment
about how the defense wouldn’t care about the outcome of the call (whether it was successful or not), just whether they felt Bill trusted them enough to make the stop at the end of the game. I would think the defense does care about winning and have to trust in the coach enough that he’s going to try his best to do just that.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Nov 17, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this comment
i read it on another site but i agree 100% with it
Now to all the people, Bruschi included, who say that BB didn’t trust his defense, I tend to disagree. If he had punted, he’s saying to his defense, “I think you guys can keep the colts out of the endzone from 70 yards out.” By going for it, he was saying, “If this doesn’t work, I think you guys can keep the Colts out of the endzone from 30 yards out.” It’s not like the game was over as soon as they didn’t convert. The Colts still had to score, the Pats defense still had its opportunity, but it failed.
by thebossuzzi on Nov 17, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I made the same argument, too.
I think it shows more confidence, not less. Also, the shorter field keeps the already tired defense fresher. There was also a role for a run back of the kick-off on special teams. With this decision, all three-phases had a hand in the outcome.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 17, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is he taking about his defense that blew a 18 point lead in the AFC championship game?
by mathew.40 on Nov 17, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
amazing how much criticism an NFL coach has to take.
that was a good play call, and if the ball wasn’t baubled, game over for indy.
then everybody would be talking about indy’s bad defense.
it’s a game of inches, folks.
looking forward to a great game sunday.
and the home of the... JETS!!!
Go, Pac, Go!!! Manny Pacquiao!!!
by dvdvil on Nov 17, 2009 1:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Vollmer even looks a little Matt Lightish in that picture.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 17, 2009 3:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope he doesn't turn into a Todd Vollmer
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 17, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the new sign for any player that he's on's on his way out
My mother had the [strange] habit of using orange slipcovers on any piece of furniture that was soon to make it’s exit. She even had the refrigerator painted orange one summer…it’s last in our household. We used to joke as kids that if she started buying any of us orange t-shirts we were really in trouble.
With this system, Todd Richard Seymour would have known he was going to be traded to the Oakland wasteland days before he got the phone call.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Nov 17, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a shame...
that Todd Matt Light was Todded by overenthusiastic commentators before they had a chance to mangle contract extension bungle Nick Kazcur’s name.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Nov 17, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Drafted 58th overall
Maybe there’s more than a few teams asking themselves a) why they didn’t draft him sooner or b) how they missed him in the first place.
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by MaPatsFan on Nov 17, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that surprising
Alot of people don’t know a diamond in the rough when they see it:
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 17, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill also knows how to get his players to shine!
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 17, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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