Pats v. Jets: some unconnected thoughts.
Got a chance to see this one in person. We were very far away, but here are some quick hits and general impressions.
First, our offensive line is very banged up. Vollmer missed four or five series at the end of the first half. Mark LeVoir filled in for him (and absolutely crushed cornerback Donald Strickland -- you could hear the helmets crack in the upper deck -- if anyone Tivoed it, please post!), but it was clear that we're in dutch if we don't have a healthy Sebastian Vollmer. Protection suffered. Dan Connolly started for the injured Stephen Neal. Nick Kaczur got banged up pretty good late in the game -- his knee I think. He gutted it out and I was impressed because I don't think he should have been walking on it, much less playing football. Hopefully he and Matt Light and Vollmer will all be serviceable for the Saints game.
Almost, but not quite, this far away. Using the field lights at the bottom of the image, count 3 stanchions from the right, then down three rows of seats. They must've known I write for electronic media.
Tom Brady didn't actually look that sharp (for Tom Brady). There were a couple of instances when he went to Moss in a seemingly predetermined way when Welker or a check-down were wide open. His side-line throws are still off the money (thinking here of Moss's missed opportunity in the first quarter, for example).
Kevin Faulk's drop of what would have been an outstanding third down catch could have been a difference-maker and was reminiscent of Green-Ellis's bobbled touchdown a couple of weeks ago.
Laurence Maroney was fair, and aggressive, but still isn't seeing the cut-back. Perhaps the only virtue of watching the game with a nosebleed and vertigo is the coach's-camera view it affords. He's never going to have big-time vision and we're all just going to have to get used to it. I wish they'd get him the ball in screens/bubbles/swing-passes more often because he'd be very dangerous in that role.
Still no pass rush. It's making it very hard for our backfield, which I think played only well enough to win. The Jets were plenty open, but have a bad quarterback. Next week is going to be an adventure.
Our second-half offense is crap. It's the exact opposite of what you want to see from a team bound for the playoffs: we didn't sustain a single drive after the first half. (Four punts, with a touchdown drive of 28 yards (!) off of Meriweather's pick [do we have a sarcasm font yet?].) The play-calling was dumb: looking for plus-10s inside our own 10, wasting plays, mental mistakes, poor execution (way too many 2nd-and-10s). It's not like the Jets were stoning us. Bad play selection and decision-making. It does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling.
Speaking of mental mistakes, the end of the second quarter was vomit-inducing. First the miscue on the punt for a gift of points. Then a miscue at the other end with a delay penalty which forced a kick which Stephen Gostkowski missed. Ragged.
Sat in section 326, three rows down from the top. That's about as far away from the action as you can get and still be in the stadium. Plus, I think we actually parked in Wrentham. Aside from the fact that cheering from that location is purely for self-gratification and warmth, I was struck by how much things improve from seemingly marginal changes. Just walking to the bottom of the stairs made the field seem significantly closer. Watching from the rail near the concessions was a marked improvement over that. Walking over the bridge was like actually being at the game and when we exchanged seats with friends in the fourth quarter to stand in section 133, it was like having them play right in the living room (totally awesome, in other words).
Watching Vollmer rev up the diesel and drive the defender off the ball was breath-taking. I think every ex-player harbors the belief that "if only" etc. and etc. Well f*ck that. There's no way I want to be within 15 yards of that guy when he gears up to run block. Impressive. He's tall and rangy which is not a run-blocking advantage. But he shows much-improved flexibility at the hip and knee, he gets low and really arches his back. And he's mean. If Light can handle moving to the right, I'd love to see the Vollmer-Logan Mankins freight train heat up through the playoffs.
All-in-all, though, I have to say that we do not currently have the look of a team that will go very far in January. We lack rhythm on offense and consistency on defense. Lack of a pass rush is becoming a very serious issue. Special teams have become an adventure and we are making a ton of mental mistakes at really inopportune moments.
It makes me miss the old Patriots, who rarely dazzled but never screwed up and grinded their opponents down through precision, patience and mental strength. We better find some of that in a hurry or it's going to be a short January.
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Good impressions from the scene
New Orleans is a second-half team, and currently the Patriots are not. Don’t know what the disconnect is, but it’s something that needs to be turned around. Brady even brought it up in his post game presser, so it’s no secret, but the execution and intensity need to be picked up something fierce. And that’s on both sides of the ball.
My son was at the game too and texted me right after hearing the loud and impressive crack of LeVoir’s hit on Strickland. Wanted to know who LeVoir was and his stats because everyone in his area was asking about him. That’s one way to make a player an instant fan favorite.
How was the crowd at the game? Many Jets fans on hand?
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Nov 23, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
A few, there and there.
At least in the working-man’s section where I was there was no poor behavior. Lot’s of mixed groups — friends w/ Pats-Jets members.
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by JohnHannahRules on Nov 23, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that scares me.
i know the Pats can beat them but the lack of points in the 2nd half is just incomprehensible
by mathew.40 on Nov 23, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you aren't winning in the palyoffs
can we have your spot then ;)
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by Farorefox on Nov 23, 2009 12:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe just spot us some players
RB, couple corners, where’s my shopping list?
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 23, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keeping Hilliard
take Sheets. Sean Smith is available. The loser from several drafts ago can go.
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by Farorefox on Nov 23, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, We'll give them back after the playoffs.
Maybe.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 23, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed...
…that Brady was so focused on getting a home run play that he was trying to force plays to Moss that weren’t there.
by The Hill on Nov 23, 2009 1:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I thought so, too.
Some of them might have worked against an inferior CB, but Revis is not that.
Some of them might have worked if Brady had been more accurate, but this is not 2007.
And some of them shouldn’t have been thrown in the first place.
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by JohnHannahRules on Nov 23, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It still feels like the team is struggling to establish an identity heading into week 12.
There are flashes of greatness every week from pretty much every personell group, but there are very few constants. Here are my concerns.
1) The pass rush has been pretty horrendous the last couple weeks. It wasn’t great (as far as sacks go) before, but there was some pressure – hurried passes, passing on the run, etc. We need that next week and going forward.
2) Run stopping has been spotty. We stop them dead again and again, then someone breaks out a 15 or so yarder when we need the stop. We gotta stop the big runs as well as the little ones. Alot of this is poor tackling at first contact. Seau needs to teach these guys how to wrap up and finish tackles.
3) The secondary has been playing well, but Wilihite (like Wheatley) is getting targeted. Without a strong pass rush, I don’t know if the secondary can hold up. The seem really tired and a step slow in the second half.
4) Offensive play calling is atrocious. Too many drives are dying and red zone efficiency sucks. This needs to improve.
5) Aiken and Stanback aren’t legitimate deep threats. Randy is always targeted because of it. While we can scheme around it and throw the occasional long bomb to Welker. He and Edelman are not built for the deep ball. Better yet, send Randy underneath and Aiken and Stanback deep. If we can establish that threat, we’re golden.
6) Will the real Maroney stand up? I liked the way he played against the Jets, but will he be dancing with the stars next week? Consistancy is what we need. If we knew that every play he was going to blow up defenders, there’d be no problem. Whatever Wheaties he ate last week, he needs to keep eating. With the possibility of Morris coming back, it might not be as important. I’d just like to see him build some momentum.
7) Will the offensive line have a collective leg to stand on? We are rapidly losing depth. We need guys healthy and soon. The season is going to depend on it.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 23, 2009 1:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: #5 --
You can’t really call for a bomb to Welker, though. When a deep pass goes his way, it’s because of a read he and Brady made during the play, not because the play was designed as a bomb to Welker. Case in point, that 43 yarder yesterday never would have happened had Welker not seen four Jets defensive backs keying on Moss, thus leaving him with wide open space if he went long.
by RSNexile on Nov 23, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me
Or are the Patriots starting to become eerily similar to the Cowboys in that we’ve become beneficiaries of playing in an unspectacular division? I’m interested in what all of you guys think.
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by R_Adragna on Nov 23, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well
Us phins are up and coming. The Jets have some potential, although ineptitude at several key positions is murdering them, and the Bills are on the move. And while the Cowboys, Eagles, and Giants are constantly overrated, they still are good matches for each other.
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by Farorefox on Nov 23, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So...yes AND no?
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by R_Adragna on Nov 23, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorta
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by Farorefox on Nov 23, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Bills are moving south arent they?
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by Peter Chung on Nov 23, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, Fitz is getting better, the D is playing better, Owens is loose
Jauron is gone, and the Bills have come real close to winning 3 different games that they ultimately lost. They will only get better from here on out.
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by Farorefox on Nov 23, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know... Maybe they'll actually start using their star wide receiver
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Nov 23, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There will be young Bills fans who have never seen a forward pass
Captain Checkdown and the aptly-first-named Jauron saw to that.
Poor wee Bills-fans.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
the bills offensive line needs to be overhauled.
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by Mainiac on Nov 23, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but they are moving in the right direction overall.
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by Farorefox on Nov 23, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They were, at least as far as the O-line goes
Bell will get better, and I don’t put it past the Bills to turn him into the second coming of Jason Peters. Levitre shows some promise, and Butler probably would’ve been a decent RT had he not been knocked out for the season in week 1.
And what can you say about Wood? The kid looked like he had the potential to be a great interior lineman, but that injury was horrifying. You just have to hope he’s able to come back, but that could be a career ender, and even if he ends up recovering 100%, he’s going to need at least an extra year to develop.
I hate to see what the Bills are going to do for an O-line next week.
by RSNexile on Nov 23, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But Fitz is a third stringer
He’s a perfect third stringer — if you put his brain in Captain Checkdown’s body, the Bills might have a capable QB. But unless Brohm proves to be a capable starter or they draft a capable starter, they’re never going to win more than five or six games.
by RSNexile on Nov 23, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He oughta just go straight to coaching and skip the whole playing-thing.
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by Farorefox on Nov 23, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice article.
BB play calling disappointed me at times especially when running situations were obvious. Yea the Brady thing is becoming any every week thing(wanting to go deep). Moss had Revis on one and Brady just under threw it. Let’s just hope are guys can get healthy. Problem is our opponents are tough for the remaining schedule. Let’s get it done.
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by Peter Chung on Nov 23, 2009 3:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I also thought the play calling on the offense was pretty bad
I also think the Pats took it easy on this game though. They didn’t practice a full week for it and they didn’t have the same intesity they had versus the Colts. I expect them to have a full week of practice and to be pumped for New Orleans. The extra day should help with our injuries too…
by bbismyhero on Nov 23, 2009 3:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Man I want this game just as bad as the Colts one
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by Peter Chung on Nov 23, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
disagree about a couple of things
Watching the replays, Cain, Burgess and Thomas were frequently bringing pressure from the edges into the backfield. Are the latter two finally earning their money? Cain and Burgess were benefiting somewhat from Sanchez’ tendency to drift right when dropping back from center, but they was definitely getting to him. We weren’t necessarily getting sacks (Cain got 2), but pressure isn’t just about sacks, its more about creating hurried throws. Did you see any hurried, off-balance, inaccurate throws?
Maroney definitely played much better in this game. I don’t know if we want him looking for the cut back at this stage. If anything, his problems in the past have included giving up on the blocks before they’ve developed and looking for the cut back and ending up going nowhere. We want him doing what he has been doing: Trusting his blockers and hitting the line hard when he’s supposed to. Its all timing – if he waits for the block and hits it when he’s supposed to, it will be there. Cut-backs look so obvious on TV but in reality, on the ground, they close so fast and its rare you want your back wasting time looking around and thinking about other options. Go North, Young Man. Good things will happen.
by mmmmm on Nov 23, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's all a fog.
Watching the game live is a disjunctive experience. The breaks in the action make no sense, you operate in an information-free environment, the replays suck, the game is a mile away. That said, it seemed like there were plenty of times Sanchez sat back largely unmolested (and still managed to screw up). Burgess got the garbage-time strip, but so what? Against a better QB it would have been a far too interesting adventure.
I don’t knock Maroney. He had hard, electrifying runs and is showing a real willingness to lower the boom on guys. But from my bird’s-eye view, there were a number of plays where holes developed to his right or his left, or where he would have benefited from bouncing one more blocker out and losing two defenders in the process. It seems to me that a guy like Chris Brown is as much about seeing things as he is about speed and quickness.
Glen Ordway (and I may need a shower now) actually had a good point about this today: Maroney’s biggest problem is that he was a number one draft pick. We (and I do include myself in this) keep waiting for him to look like an Addai, a Brown, a Cadillac Williams. He’s never going to be that guy. He’s going to be a serviceable back who occasionally brings flashes of brilliance. And that’s more than ok. But if that’s the guy you have, then you really need a healthy Freddy Taylor who can get you 3 on 3rd and 2.5.
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by JohnHannahRules on Nov 23, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Colts fans knock Addai as much as the Pats fans knock Maroney
for many of the same reasons, too – doesn’t run hard enough, avoids contact, is inconsistent, etc.
I think you’re right – Maroney suffers from a lack of vision to see the viable cut-back option or to avoid going down gaps that close up afterwards. It’s unfortunate, and perhaps surprising considering he is a good kick returner, which is all about spotting a lane in advance and cutting through gaps and blocks to find space.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the vision thing
is probably a bit overrated.
A lot of that comes of the type of rushing offense you employ. Two big factors usually are in front of backs who do a lot of cut back slashing: A fullback who forms an answer to the decision based on how his block develops (the tailback sees and follows the shoulders) and/or a zone blocking scheme (see Denver under Shanahan) which requires a hesitation read. The Patriots currently employ neither in their regular offense.
Maroney’s job in this offense is to hit the line at the design point at the correct time. He has finally been doing that with regularity the last few games. Lets hope it continues.
by mmmmm on Nov 24, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good points. Rec'd.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 24, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So his dancing is more an inability to get the timing down than anything else?
That could make sense, and would explain why he’s hit-and-miss – some games the timing is like they’ve practiced, and he does well, and some it’s not, and he suffers. I’ll look out for it the next time I watch.
I do distinctly remember him bouncing outside on some occasions when it definitely wasn’t warranted – usually when a safety was cheating up and out, waiting for him to try to go around. If Maroney had spotted him, he would probably have taken an inside route. It hasn’t happened in a while, but the Pats have seemed a lot less creative about what running lanes they’ve been using lately.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 24, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah its all about timing
If you hit the line too early, the blocks haven’t developed and opened up the hole. If you hit too late, it’s closed. This is where the phrases ‘being a patient runner’ and ‘waiting for his blocks’ come from.
The running back has to time his strides to the line with the timing of the linemen – especially if someone has pulled so that they hit the defense and open the crack right before he hits it. If the timing doesn’t fit his ‘natural stride’ then he starts to have to short-stride it. Sort of like a hurdler who has over-strided off one hurdle has to short-step it before the next in order to make sure he has his stride is corrected in order to make it over the next one. In exactly the same sense, an RB needs to have his feet set so he can push hard with his legs under and behind him so he can hit the line with power.
If you want to see something interesting, go look at vids of Jamal Lewis in his 2066 yd season with Baltimore (2003) and compare him with any of his ‘poor’ seasons. In his poor seasons he looks just like dancing Maroney – the timing is all off and he can be seen to be taking these small little ‘dance steps’ as he tries to time his stride into the pile. In 2003, it all looks perfect. One of the greatest examples of a RB and OL working together in sync.
by mmmmm on Nov 24, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great analysis.
I wonder if this is down to the OC to choreograph. There’s only so much you can do to change the pace at the line — maybe Maroney would be better served by lining up a yard to 1.5 further back than typical?
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by JohnHannahRules on Nov 25, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
practice practice practice
Remember — it isn’t just Maroney involved in the timing. The various OL members all move at different speeds and of course it doesn’t help when the OL members are changing places and being swapped around like trading cards. The RB could be set back and approaching at a timing that fits everyone except one member of the OL who may be late coming across on a pull – so he has to hold up and, well ‘dance’. If the RB tries to compensate for that one guy being late then the next time that guy may not be late and the RB would miss the hole. And then you throw in the variable of the defense itself.
Sometimes it is as simple as your suggestion. Unfortunately, then there is reality.
Still, as complex as the above might make it sound, fundamentally run blocking is simpler for the team than pass blocking. Run blocking really only needs about 4-5 players (QB, RB & 2-3 blockers) to do their job to make a successful running play. Pass blocking needs ALL the blockers to do their job plus the QB and at least 1 receiver because it only takes one missed block to ruin a pass play. Plus running plays can choose where to attack.
by mmmmm on Nov 25, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rex ryan is crying
because TB threw deep to Moss on 3rd down w. 30 seconds left….booooo…go cry and eat cookies
by mathew.40 on Nov 23, 2009 7:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
heh.
Well, I think you can count on the “eat cookies” part.
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by JohnHannahRules on Nov 23, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just heard that on the radio tonight on the way home...what's up with that???
There’s no way a 31 point score or a 17 point lead is running anything up.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Nov 23, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he’s crying. What a loser of a coach.
by The Hill on Nov 23, 2009 10:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i think
he is still crying about the fact that he called a timeout ( in 2007 ravens vs pats) on a 4th and inches where the ravens stopped Brady
by mathew.40 on Nov 24, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i remember being pissed off this weekend when he called the timeout – but you are right. I had forgotten about the 07 game. Now we know he just likes to call a useless, stupid timeout at the end of every game against the Patriots.
by mmmmm on Nov 24, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very much like the stupid, useless timeout that Mangini called against the Lions...
which allowed the Lions to get Matthew Stafford on the field to throw his game-winning last second fifth TD. Sucks to be you, Mr. Mangini.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 24, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but we already knew that. (Sucks to be you, Mr. Mangini.)
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 24, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sadly
right after i posted that smart remark my brain remembered the stupid useless timeout that we called after the kickoff in the 4th quarter of the colt’s game that left us without a challenge for the 4th & 2 play and ….. ***AAAGGHHHH***** my brain promptly imploded and oozed out my ears, running down my arms and all over this keyboard and into this post where you guys now get to share in the stinky, smelly drivel …
by mmmmm on Nov 24, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow! That's happened to you too?!?!
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Nov 24, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SMP and Comedic Sans
its not Mangini…its Mangina!!
by mathew.40 on Nov 24, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mea culpa
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