Tom Terrific
by andrew29910 on Nov 26, 2009 5:11 PM EST
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Some people hate Tom Brady. Others love him. And some don't care. But in my opinion Tom is the best QB ever to play the game of football.
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Uhhh
Are you sure you want to start off with “in my opinion Tom is the best QB ever to play the game of football” and then only mention current QBs as his competition for that title?
This just seems like you’re baiting a lot of people from all eras to disagree with you. Especially when you suggest anyone disagreeing with you must be “trash talking” because “they’re jealous”. You don’t think anyone could make a reasoned argument for Montana or Steve Young or Marino or even Brett Favre?
You should really justify on what basis you think he’s the best, beyond sheer homerism. If you want to go by Superbowl rings, fine. If you want to go by postseason rings, fine. But you’re not going to get a constructive debate based on “just because I think so”.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
I think he is trying to pump the PULPIT UP! I AGREE anyways. Him and Montana.
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by Yardpenalty.com on Nov 28, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm...
…from a quarterbacking perspective, it’d be hard to call Brady the best of all time. Ignoring Peyton would be silly because he IS just as good as Brady- his team just never delivers with him. No one is as important to their team as Manning is. That’s how good he is. You can call Brady better from a winner’s point of a view, or even from a “clutch” POV (maybe), but even JUST from this era alone, you can’t say Brady without Manning.
Others of note:
Joe Wisconsin Montana
Steve Young
Dan Marino
Dan Fouts
Brett Sucksthelifeoutoffootball Favre
John Elway
Those are just some I first thought of. It’s a bold claim you’re making. What’s your support?
It feels so dirty to include Favre, doesn't it?
Even if you know you have to. Eww.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 26, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't have, until this season.
And let’s not forget Adam Vinatieri, the reall SB hero.
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I cant believe ya'll hate favre so much here
I asmit i’ma little biased towards him since i dont live far from where he grew up.
But i cant understand people hating on him is it because he played one year for the sad sack Jets
Or is it because he keeps retirering and comng back.
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 28, 2009 5:45 AM EST up reply actions
well
for me, i started to hate him bc of the fact they he chocked @ the Giants in the 07 nfc championship game where he threw 3 INT. One of them resulted in a TD to tie the game and other INT resulted in a gaming winning OT FG. ( it would have been the packers and the patriots, rather than the giants)
second, he favred the Pats again in 2008, when he threw ( i believe 3INTS) in a lateregular season between the Dolphins and the Jets. in that game if the jets won, Pats would have gone to the playoffs. instead favring favre threw a INT on a screen @ their own 10 yard line to a NT for a TD. then he later threw a pick to a CB who was shocked when he got the ball.
hell, even Mangina asked " what the favre were u thinking" (in was caught on tv)
so yeah FAVRE Brett Favre.
i hate that old man
My anti-Favreism
comes from 2 things
A. He walked out on his team, and then expected to come right back in, and tried (and suceeded in) going to their arch-rivals to spit in their faces.
B. He was a Jet. Need I say more?
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Yea but thats not fair
If Tom brady retired and then decided to come back after all he did for the Pats he would expect to start also.
As far as him playing for Minn he was free to go anywhere he wanted and if someone paid anyone here $10 million a year they would do the same
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 28, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Brett never retired
He has started every game he’s played, and his consecutive starts streak continues.
What he “retired” from was training camp, OTA’s, pre-season games, etc. He wants the glory, but doesn’t want to put in the work that is required of other players. He lied to the Packers saying he was going to retire. He lied to the Jets sying he was going to retire. That is why I can’t stand St. Favre anymore.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 28, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
well
I’m to much of a homer when it comes to favre i’m glad he’s doing great i just wish it wasn’t in the same year the saints are i’m pulling for him all the way to the nfc championship game where i hope he’ll meet the saints then i’ll have to pull for the saints
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 28, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
And the whole revenge thing against the team that did so much for him
Seriously. If Brady retired, unretired to play for the say… Falcons, retired again and then specifically unretired because the Jets asked him and offered him a chance of revenge against the Pats… well, then I’d hate Brady, too. Not because he was necessarily a Jet, but because he came back after the guys explicitly offered him a chance of revenge…. ugh.
There’s doing things with grace and class, and then there’s doing things like Favre. Pennington got bounced to a divisional rival, and did it with class. Favre did anything but.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 28, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
The kicker is that I really used like him alot.
The Greta Van Sustren interview was the straw for me.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 30, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I just hate him
because he’s like a media whore.
“I’m retireing”
media- “Will brett farvre retire?blah blah blah all offseason long(which is stupid).”
farvre-“I’m coming out of retirement”
He should just retire! We all know you’re a great QB and all, but enough is enough!!!!
by patriotguy2 on Nov 28, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Thats the media's fault
He’s just doing what most nfl legends would do.
If someone is willing to pay you $10 million a year and you want to play but not go to training camp then dont sign till after training camp it’s the media that had the daily favre watch not him.
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 28, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Why should he just retire
the guy has thrown 22 td’s and 3 picks this year he’s having the best year of his life.
He’s got the best running back and a great defense that can hold a lead
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 28, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
He did it specifically because a divisional rival of his old team offered him revenge
Classy guy, that Brett.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 28, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
i'm sick of hearing about him.
i want him to retire.
I know football is all he has, but he won’t except a backup role, so he’ll try and steal a starting role from a younger guy(possibly the sole franchise QB) just to get what he wants. He’s selfish.
I agree...He is a gamer and I love him no matter what he does.
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by Yardpenalty.com on Nov 28, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
who cares about the media thing? He loves football and has earned to play with us through the media. Don't forget the media makes the stories big not the victim.
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by Yardpenalty.com on Nov 28, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
though there are logical arguments against him being considered one of the true greats
Aikman’s rings and his statistical performance in the 90s are worthy of mention. He had Smith and Irvin as weapons, but he was a big part of the Cowboy dynasty in the early 90s.
Well yeah, as a football player Brady has had a much mroe successful career...
…but if you’re talking about the quarterback position, Manning (not so much Brees, yet) HAS to be mentioned alongside Brady.
by Richard Hill on Nov 26, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
If that's your criteria then there are two more successful QBs than Tom Brady
Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana both got 4 SB rings in 4 SB appearances – better than Tom Brady. Also worth mentioning is Troy Aikman, who has 3 SB rings from 3 appearances – a better success rate than Brady.
Also throw in John Elway, who although he only has 2 SB rings, got to 5 Superbowls overall – one more appearance (and thus Conference Championship win) than Brady.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 27, 2009 5:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think Brady is one of the best
But alot of it has to do with the game plan your coach puts together.
If brady is one of the best QB’s then Belechek is the best coach.
And you can deny it’s the system but the way Cassel stepped up last year should prove your system has alot to do with it
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 27, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions
oh that's right...
Drew Brees tells Sean Payton awhat to do. No game plan for his offense. Wow. Amazing guy.
Keep the faith!
dude,
they wouldn’t have drafted cassel if they didn’t see any potential. i mean the guy was a backup to Leinart and Carson Palmer.
no team drafts a college backup unless they thought the coach thinks Cassel had potential to be a starter or a really good backup.
And its not the system. Brady has won games and SB with no name receivers. the most prolific one is Dieon Branch and he never passed 1000 yards in a season @ New England.
NE had the worst WR corp in 2006 including bug eyed/ deer caught in the headlight Caldwell (who i favrin hate nxt to A Samuel and David Tyree) and they sitll upset the AFC no. 1 seed Chargers and made it to the AFC championship game against the Colts.
They would have won the game against the Colts if wide eyed Caldwell caught a slow moving pass which would have resulted him scoring a TD bc there was no Colt covering him.
ITS NOT THE SYSTEM. ITS TOM BRADY.
he is right man
without tom brady this decade, the pats will be getting in the top 10 draft selections every year. He made the receivers look good, and he led the team to 3 superbowls with him. yes, he had a great defense with him as well, but you can’t say that with the receivers that they had, that the team will be just as successful without tom brady.
it's not only untrue, but incredibly condescending
Brady as a system quarterback. It’s such a patronizing put-down with the little sugar on top (I think Brady is one of the best) to make the sht go down smoother.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Nov 27, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How can Brady be a system QB?
He’s had 3 or 4 different Offensive Co-ordinators, all of whom have different tendencies, plays, calls and the like. He’s barely ever had a consistent system, let alone be a consistent system QB.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 27, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
BUUTT CASSEL DIDIT SO BRADY CANT B GUD
Everyone talks about the Patriots “system”. What is that system? The only system I know is “no one is irreplaceable”. What was the system that Brady had that Cassel stepped into? The team Cassel led had almost nothing in common to the Super Bowl teams. Cassel flourished because a) he had talent and b) he was surrounded with talent. Brady made the players around him better, not the other way around. He’s the reason players want to come to our offense. He’s the reason why Reche Caldwell could be our #1 receiver. He’s the reason we were able to put up point and move down the field with David Patten and David Givens.
Brady IS the offensive system.
by Richard Hill on Nov 27, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
*I know you said that Brady is good.
But implying that the system is what helps make him who he is is taking away from his talent and skill. Why isn’t Manning called a product of a system? Because he put up huge numbers with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne while Brady was throwing to players that couldn’t even make the Colts team? It’s aggravating. Calling him a product of the system is the same as saying he’s not a great QB because that means he wouldn’t be good in a different system, on a different team.
by Richard Hill on Nov 27, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
I thought the Pats offensive system
was having a strong, power running game and a passing attack that was only short screens. I guess the 2007 Pats didn’t read the memo, having zero power running backs and having Randy Moss go nuts with 23 TDs and 1400 yards.
Brady broke the system. Ohnoes.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 27, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
…there’s some guy on the Saints blog who’s trying to say that Moss has slown down the past two years.
by Richard Hill on Nov 28, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, watch the language, there might be kids on here. ;-)
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 28, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
well thats why i decided on this website to use
favre and sanchize…two people i dont like that goes w. the f word and the s word
I hope that the Saints D co-ordinator believes it
“Sure, my strong-side linebacker can cover Moss one-on-one, some guy on a blog reckons Moss is slow.”
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 28, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Really
I must have missed that but if you read the majority of csc you will see most people want to double team Moss and figure out how were going to cover Welker.
If anyone at csc thinks Moss has slowed they are alone
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 28, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ok
I think brady is great but the team around him is great also.
The reason Peyton Manning is not mentioned the same is because if it wasnt for him the colts would suck.
I really think with a good QB the pats would stillhave dominated over the last 10 years.
Thats not taking anything away from brady I just feel your system helps make QB’s better
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 28, 2009 5:50 AM EST up reply actions
How many times have the Pats won the SB...
…with a good offensive team around TB? Hurts to say, but never.
by Richard Hill on Nov 28, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Really
I thought they had a pretty good offense in 2003.
As a matter of fact I was at a fob (forward operating base) on the afghanistan pakistan boarder fob chapman in feb 2004 watching the super bowl and i was surrounded by patriot fans who kept telling me about their great offense and their brilliant offensive coordinator.
I believe it was Wiess
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 28, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Go Air Force!
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 28, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta be true to your branch.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 29, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
It was mediocre at best :)
We had two rushers with 640ish yards (Antowain Smith and Kevin Faulk).
Deion Branch had 803 yards receiving to lead the team
David Givens had 510 yards receiving to come in second
Our defense won us the championship. Something that we’re hoping to rebuild from the draft.
by Richard Hill on Nov 28, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
well, with sorgi as a back up, of course they would.
but without tom brady, the team that won 3 superbowls, will still have none this decade. brady made his team better. he even beat the colts a few times when marvin harrison and Manning were in their prime, and they also still had reggie wayne. The whole offensive system for tom brady before 07 was to run the ball with corey dillon. they were not a passing team at all, even though they were successful at it. They had average-below average receivers while peyton manning had pro bowl receivers. Josh McD decided to build an offense to surround Brady with passing talent to build a passing offense in 07, which worked like a charm.
Brady is not a product of the system because when he was playing before 07, the system did not surround him, but surrounded the RBs, had below average receivers, and was still rivaling Peyton Manning.
by patriotguy2 on Nov 28, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
not to mention
that the pats were primarily a running team i believe(which is what most of the OCs designed for them to be).
by patriotguy2 on Nov 28, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Agree but look at Cassel now! Brady could leave tthe system and still be top 3..
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by Yardpenalty.com on Nov 28, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Every Quarterback is the product of a system.
And that’s why they are great. If they used something that didn’t work, then they fail. ALL successful QBs are systemic, and the ones that aren’t, don’t have the right one. The question is: Can they be successful in multiple systems, and that is what typically separates the Hall of Famers from the decent guys who make a few mill, and then no one remembers them except in backwards reflections.
And directed at Hill: Moss is successful because he makes catches that are impossible to guard against (thanks to his freakish arms) He has never been much of a YAC guy, he just goes out and makes 30-50 yard catches. And short ones in the endzone. But honestly, I think he has gotten MORE physical, as witnessed by that owning of Vontae Davis, whereas the former Moss would have gone down, while still making a very large catch.
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Moss definitely seems more physical this year
He’s been called upon to do a lot more crossing routes into traffic this year than he has previously, and he’s doing them well – running into the defender and then using his ridiculous arm extension to make sure he gets the ball for the completion, without it ever going near the defender’s hands. He’s even taken it upon himself to run some of the Welker-like routes, when Welker was hurt and when Edelman wasn’t playing. He’s actually added something to his game, and he still has the pace to burn D-backs (re: Colts game). I’m glad Ginn hasn’t asked Moss for advice on how to become a all-round WR and not just a deep threat.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 28, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
Moss started doing the short runs in Minnesota
but was pidgeon-holed as a deep threat once they realized how dangerous he was. He is a complete receiver.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 28, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
BTW
How many more seasons do you think Moss will put in? I bet this will be his 2nd to last one.
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I'd guess it's largely dependent
On whether he gets to another Super Bowl is my guess. If he can get a ring, the clock will probably start ticking much faster, but as long as he is motivated by the elusive championship, he will hang around until his body can’t take it any more.
I figured 3 tops.
In my pre-season analysis, I figured we’d better get a new deep threat option or two soon. Tate may be one, but we’ll have to see next year. After that, who knows.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 28, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
He has 2 more great years with a SB ring on his finger next year. He will play 4 more years. He is like Favre he loves the game.
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by Yardpenalty.com on Nov 28, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'd hate to write him off
His hands are better than TO or Galloway, he’s faster than TO and runs routes better than Galloway. He’s also using his body better than either – using his arms to get separation from defenders and make catches. He could go on for longer than either of those two, and I could potentially see him going for as long as Jerry Rice(!).
If he doesn’t pick up any significant injuries, I could see Moss play for 5 more years, albeit with diminishing production. He’s still going to be able to out-jump guys, because he’s tall, so he’ll have more worth than Jerry Rice did once Rice started to lose his speed. As long as his hands don’t desert him, and he still has some of his gas left, he’ll find a roster spot somewhere.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 28, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
I think we’ll keep him as long as possible. Even if he slows down, he’ll still hold value as a #3 receiver.
by Richard Hill on Nov 28, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
And he'd be a great player-coach
The offence’s Junior Seau, anyone?
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 28, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
I (and you) have no idea about his attitude.
Sure, he isn’t as crazy as his youth, but he might be a complete jerk, as far as we know. Plus not everyone good can teach, and not everyone bad, is a bad teacher. I’m a terrible football player, but you’ll see me on the sidelines at some college in several years.
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Ah, but they have said how he takes the young WRs under his wing
Both Tate and Edelman have said that Moss has been really helpful in imparting his knowledge and experience to them. He was also voted in as an offensive captain, so he’s obviously respected and seen as an authority figure. I also distinctly remember an amusing moment where Randy yelled at Edelman during the game that Edelman was in the wrong spot. Edelman shifted, and promptly caught a pass for a first down, and Randy was the first guy on the spot to give Edelman a slap on the back.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 28, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
I would say that Randy Moss would be similar to your Chad Pennington, minus the public charisma. He’s good with his teammates and that’s all that really matters. Moss has a LOT to offer young players and he seems like he’s willing to do that.
Just like how Shawn Springs was brought in on defense to groom the young secondary.
by Richard Hill on Nov 28, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
i think he'll stay as long as tom brady is with him as well.
or maybe retire 2-3 years before tom brady does.
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