Patriots @ Saints injury reports
by MaPatsFan on Nov 28, 2009 9:35 PM EST
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From Patriots.com:
| NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (7-3) | ||
| Out | ||
| Player | Position | Injury |
| Taylor, Fred | RB | Ankle (Did Not Participate) |
| Doubtful | ||
| Player | Position | Injury |
| No Players Listed | ||
| Questionable | ||
| Player | Position | Injury |
| Aiken, Sam | WR | Hip (Limited Participation) |
| Alexander, Eric | LB | Groin (Limited Participation) |
| Baker, Chris | TE | Shoulder (Limited Participation) |
| Banta-Cain, Tully | LB | Groin (Limited Participation) |
| Brace, Ron | NT | Ankle (Limited Participation) |
| Chung, Pat | S | Head (Limited Participation) |
| Edelman, Julian | WR | Forearm (Limited Participation) |
| Green, Jarvis | DE | Knee (Limited Participation) |
| Kaczur, Nick | T | Ankle (Limited Participation) |
| Koppen, Dan | C | Knee (Limited Participation) |
| Light, Matt | T | Knee (Limited Participation) |
| Morris, Sammy | RB | Knee (Limited Participation) |
| Neal, Stephen | G | Head (Limited Participation) |
| Ninkovich, Rob | LB | Knee (Limited Participation) |
| Vollmer, Sebastian | T | Head (Did Not Participate) |
| Warren, Ty | DE | Ankle (Limited Participation) |
| Woods, Pierre | OLB | Groin (Limited Participation) |
| Probable | ||
| Player | Position | Injury |
| Brady, Tom | QB | Right Shoulder (Full Participation) |
| Springs, Shawn | CB | Knee (Full Participation) |
| Watson, Benjamin | TE | Back (Full Participation) |
| NEW ORLEANS SAINTS (10-0) | ||
| Out | ||
| No Players Listed | ||
| Doubtful | ||
| Player | Position | Injury |
| Moore, Lance | WR | Ankle (Did Not Participate) |
| Porter, Tracy | CB | Knee (Did Not Participate) |
| Questionable | ||
| Player | Position | Injury |
| Bush, Reggie | RB | Knee (Limited Participation) |
| Gay, Randall | CB | Knee (Limited Participation) |
| Goodwin, Jonathan | C | Ankle (Limited Participation) |
| Greer, Jabari | CB | Groin (Limited Participation) |
| McCray, Bobby | DE | Knee/Back (Limited Participation) |
| Vilma, Jon | LB | Knee (Limited Participation) |
| Probable | ||
| Player | Position | Injury |
| Nicks, Carl | G | Illness (Full Participation) |
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@least Springs is back along w. Matt Light and Ninkovich.
just hope Seabass is back
by mathew.40 on Nov 28, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Springs is probably less important than Light
It looks like someone took a chainsaw to the offensive line – Light and Kazcur with limited participation and Vollmer with none is ugly, and Neal and Koppen hurt. That’s 4 out of 5 of the first week’s starters nicked up, and the swing tackle backup injured too.
In comparison, the CB/S stocks look full. Springs might’ve even been a healthy scratch again.
I don’t like how almost all the offensive line and both TEs are on the injury report – those are the guys who keep Brady upright, after all.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Nov 28, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why did Vollmer play in the 2nd half if he was nicked up
They need to handle Will Smith
by mathew.40 on Nov 28, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've heard it was a suspected concussion
and speaking from experience, you can occasionally keep playing through a concussion at first, and then when you have a break or a drink or cool down, it can hit you with the force of a sledgehammer to the temple.
Were I to guess, Vollmer took a headshot and kept playing through the second quarter, and after the halftime break and cooldown he started feeling the effects. I haven’t heard anybody in the Pats camp say anything one way or the other on that, though.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Nov 28, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He played the second half after sitting out Q2.
Based on his short performance, I give him the edge over Light. He’s going to be a force in this game, and I hope we’ll see him on Monday.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Nov 28, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where you putting him? RT or LT?
bearing in mind how Kazcur has played the last couple of weeks and that he and Matt Light are both injured, where are you slotting Vollmer in, ideally?
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Nov 28, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ideally? LT
He’s been solid and has more upside than light. But see Matt40 below. If that holds, then RT w/ Kazcur taking the 3 slot w/ LaVoir.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Nov 29, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Vollmer
although I suspect it’ll come down to the two tackles who are least injured being starters. Light surrenders 10lbs to both Kazcur and Vollmer, so I guess that’s the reason Hoodie doesn’t like him as a RT, although I don’t see why he’d be any worse than Kazcur at the moment. Maybe Kazcur’s injury is worse than they’re letting on, because he hasn’t been great recently.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Nov 29, 2009 3:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aging linemen.
It’s like rugby— the older you get the closer to the ball (but not too close!).
An imperfect analogy, of course, but if Light wants a few more years with the Pats, he should gain another 30 lbs and move right. Then, when he gets too slow, he can slide one spot to the left as RG.
Kazcur’s never been great, but he’s generally been good. I agree that he’s looked pretty flat-footed of late and there’s this: it’s been about two seasons since the Pats were a right-handed team in the run game. To me, that means the right side is place-holding more than filling a distinct role. It’s been Light/Mankins or Vollmer/Mankins when we need a few yards.
If Light (or Vollmer) takes the right side, maybe we could take the more capable of Neal or Kaczur at RG and beef up that side?
In any case, we need to get healthy up front. It’s looking pretty grim right now.q
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Nov 29, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I almost wonder if that's the plan for Kaczur at this point
Vollmer has demonstrated that he could be the full-time starter at LT next season. What if Light swings around to RT, Kaczur moves inside to RG, and Neal is let go in free agency?
by RSNexile on Nov 29, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why does a RT need for weight than a LT?
if they have the same height
by mathew.40 on Nov 29, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which means it definitely wasn't a concussion
They never would have allowed him to go back in after sitting out a quarter if there was any chance it was a concussion.
by RSNexile on Nov 29, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect you're right
Although Neal’s statements sounded like he’d been playing with a concussion to – something about how his condition was “he can still stand upright”. That’s definitely not a confidence building statement about the health of the O-line.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Nov 29, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Brady ever not injured?
Some sort of trickery perhaps?
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by Farorefox on Nov 28, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's always listed
but then he says his shoulder’s always a little sore because he does so many reps. So it’s not entirely made up, it’s just that the teams who have their QBs throw several hundred passes a week (ie – all of them) don’t list their QBs as having sore shoulders when the Pats do.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Nov 28, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was listed with that shoulder every week over the past few seasons—Belichick giving the finger to the NFL’s mandatory injury reports*—minus one game: the Super Bowl against the Giants. I will always blame that loss on Brady’s non-appearance on the injury list and BB’s red hoodie. Where the heck was the grey one? I knew something was wrong the moment I saw him without his normal tattered garb.
*A finger which, IMO, is funny but unwarranted. With all the talk going around about teams concealing injuries and the lasting and dangerous effects of concussions, we definitely need more transparency regarding injuries. Keeping football operations a secret is important, and every team is entitled to privacy, but nothing comes before the safety of the players.
by LegendaryTadpole on Nov 28, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But by adding players to the IR...
…BB isn’t concealing injuries, but over-reporting injuries.
by The Hill on Nov 28, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but in doing so, he’s treating a very serious situation in a very flippant manner. Not that that’s as much a problem as concealing injuries, but it’s certainly a problem. (This is not to mention the reports from former players that came out a while ago about several staffs and coaches, Belichick prominently included, actively concealing injuries. I’m not gonna judge the guy based solely on these accounts, and it seems like a league-wide thing, but his hands are definitely not squeaky-clean when it comes to concealment.)
The entire injury culture in football, including the way they are treated and the way they are reported, is dangerous for the players, and I think it’s wrong to joke around about something like that, which is what Belichick does in reporting a non-injury. I do find it a little funny, like I said, but not once I think about it for a while.
by LegendaryTadpole on Nov 29, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
disagree a bit
While I agree in principle that injuries to players and their long-term affects are not to be trivialized, I do have a problem with the NFL-mandated injury list.
The way the mandated list works does nothing to secure the well-being of the players and exists, imho, solely for the benefit of the Vegas line (Okay, and also fantasy football fanatics.).
Fundamentally, a player’s injuries and medical information in general should NOT be public anymore than yours should be. The players, their personal doctors and personal representatives and family are the only ones outside the coaching staff that need to know any of the details of their injuries. So long as they are all fully informed then that protects the players. Beyond that, I feel that they should not be announcing anything other than an hour before the game who will be active or not. No different than a baseball manager bringing out the lineup card.
So I disagree that BB is in any way treating a very serious situation in a very flippant manner. He is conforming minimaly with a rule that uses player injury and medical information as fodder for the gambling industry and does nothing for the security of the players.
by mmmmm on Nov 30, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In fact it goes against the physical best interests of the player
Might as well put a big target on the injured limb or extremity, to let the opposition know which side to keep hitting the injured player on.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Nov 30, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't the supwerbowl...
It was the game where Brady ACTUALLY got hurt that he wasn’t on the IR
by Csigs on Nov 29, 2009 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reggie Bush will never play for a winner... (and other fallacies)
by xen-cuts on Nov 28, 2009 11:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol that was a funnycommercial
i think it was meant as a joke though
by MOSS81 on Nov 29, 2009 7:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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