Quick Recap: Saints defeat Patriots, 38-17
by MaPatsFan on Nov 30, 2009 11:34 PM EST
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PrintI was confident, confident Tom Brady and the boys had what it would take to match up against the hot and undefeated New Orleans Saints. I was confident that we had what it would take to shutdown Drew Brees and his receivers. I was confident Bill Belichick knew more about the Saints than I did. Apparently, not that much more. Sean Payton and Drew Brees absolutely trashed this Patriots Defense.
More after the jump.
In one of the toughest games of the season, our New England Patriots made every mistake they could possibly make. Interceptions, O-line fails, lineup confusion, you name it. But the biggest mistakes of all were from our young secondary. Brees is very good at redirecting inexperienced players to a different part of the field and then gunning it to someone else, someone who beat coverage. This young secondary fell for all of Brees's tricks hook, line, and sinker.
On the Patriots, we seem to have 1 or 2 deadly targets: Randy Moss, sometimes Benjamin Watson, and sometimes Sam Aiken. Not the Saints. Brees was able to spread the ball to no fewer than 5 guys for touchdowns. That's silly. There was simply no coverage on the Saints receivers. Our young backfield simply got torched by a quality team. And there was almost no pressure on Brees, one of the fastest QB's in the backfield with a super quick release. No pressure + inexperienced backfield = embarrassing loss.
I now know how our '07 rivals felt.
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I don't feel bad about this loss...
…we got beat and they made it look EASY.
I was saying on the Saints site on my Q&A thread, if they can create pressure with just their D-Line and let their LBs sit in the middle of the field in pass prevention, they’ll win easily.
They did.
We need a new O-Line next year. Big time.
Or at least a healthy one
One healthy tackle, and he’s the fourth-string guy. Happy-feet Mankins is the only healthy guard, and the backup center’s the only one going. Ugh.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Nov 30, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, injuries have definitely hit this team hard. These last couple weeks have been tough.
by LegendaryTadpole on Nov 30, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
I totally concur. The problems were largely right at the O-Line.
They frequently rushed just three DLs at our base 5 OL and won handily. They spread the 3 DLs on attack so that our Guards were frequently caught in no-mans land, not sure which DL to double team on. I couldn’t believe how many times I saw one or both sides of our line with an OL (usually one of the guards) basically blocking nobody, but strung out too far so as not to help either of his team mates. So the on every play at least one of the 3 or 4 DLs who were rushing were being single blocked and when that happened they were consistently pushing through that and getting deep in the backfield. That’s where the fact that the OL was riddled with injuries really hurt.
Meanwhile, because they were only rushing 3 or 4, they consistently had 7 or 8 to drop in coverage. I don’t care who the QB and recievers are – when the defense uses 7 or 8 in coverage, you need TIME to find an open reciever.
It was a brilliant defensive game plan.
The way to beat that sort of defensive scheme is to run draws, whether with the RB or even QB – if Brady was a running QB like Young or McNabb that would have been a huge rushing day. And the Patriots did have pretty good success at that with Faulk. But once they got behind by 2 scores late, they couldn’t afford to do that – and then they were toast.
It was a great game plan by Peyton, but I would not expect Belicheck to get beat by that same scheme twice.
I’ve been concerned about the OL ever since the SuperBowl loss to the Giants. Vollmer is a great start to rebuilding, but I would love if they could pickup another stud in the next draft.
I wasn't impressed with the status quo defence
Any adjustments at halftime? All out blitzes? Stacked coverage D? Neither?
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Well corner blitzes are our because the freaking safety, can't cover the receiver.
I have never seen a man more open.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 30, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
I almost laughed
I saw the corner blitzing and I thought, “What’s the point?” Brees was already on a tear, and we needed to execute more bend-but-don’t-break defense. Sending a corner leads to breaks.
by LegendaryTadpole on Nov 30, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't laugh, I cried.
When I saw the safety (I think it was Meriweather) head toward the line, instead of picking up that receiver. Idiot, idiot mistake. Didn’t he know it was a saftey blitz?
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Saints were the much better team today. It was total domination.
With the Colts I thought the Pats were the better team… against the Saints there is no doubt who the better team is.
I couldn't agree more....
…. and in fact, my post was going to say pretty much exactly that. The success that our franchise has had over the past decade has given us a good deal of swagger, and it’s been a long time since I’ve had to say this, but New England was beaten by a team that was better than them. They were better on offense. They were better on defense. They were better on special teams. The Saints are better than the Patriots. Freaking hard facts to face.
What game were you watching?
We pushed you around for 58 minutes in the Patriots vs. Colts game. In fact, if this were the Colts vs. the Saints, the Colts would have lost by more than a 21-point margin.
And you know this how? Look I know you’re down after that great loss but there is no way you can say what would happen between a Colts-Saints game.
Yes you are right the Pats did push the Colts around for 3 quarters, but the Colts did to you in the 4th what it took your team 3 quarters to do and the Colts won the game.
LOL
You kidding? In the second half your team totally and utterly folded. 58 minutes? try 30 minutes.
But we’ve seen that before with the Pats haven’t we.
Oh yes, the Pats are known for folding so often
and that’s why the Colts nearly beat them half the time…
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
No, 5 out of the last 6.
and what about the ones before that? Heh. There was a long period of time where Manning had never beaten Brady. Looong time.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Sure.
And I expect it to swing back around at some point. It might even be as soon as the playoffs; Belichick teams don’t tend to collapse then, and there’s been a few lowly-ranked playoff teams getting deep into the post-season, lately.
Once the regular season ends, all bets are off.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
To be fair
The “don’t tend to collapse” thing became moot when you surrendered a 21 point led and then the highest scoring offense ever scored only 14 in consecutive years.
Agree with the whole swing thing.
That's why I said "then"
as in playoffs. And the Superbowl loss wasn’t a collapse, it was a close run thing determined by a couple of plays.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Ah.
Yeah, that was inexplicable. They took the foot off the throat because they had a 21 point lead, which I doubt they ever expected to have (I know I didn’t think they’d have that). In some ways if they’d only had a 7 point advantage they’d have done better, because they wouldn’t have mentally switched off with a quarter to go.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
No defensive help, o-line had trouble keeping brady in the pocket
all that adds up to a horrible game by the team. Defense needs work now. We say how they gave way to the colts 2 weeks ago and today they just blew it in every single way. every receiver seemed to be wide open for brees and no one could tackle. Whilite needs to beat benched…he got beat way too many times for scores or a big gain. The O-line is getting beat on 3-4 man rushes! it’s been a while since brady had to scramble for his life like that on nearly every snap.
Wheatley wasn't burned THAT bad in the preseason.
At least he’s got some speed.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 30, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
rather have a slower guy whoc an cover and tackle
whilite is always there but he never breaks up the pass or makes the key tackle.
Wilihite IS a slower guy who can't cover or tackle.
Wheatley is a faster guy who can’t cover or tackle, but occasionally jumps a route for a PD or INT.
Slightly better in my book.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
No team wins without a pass rush, and we haven't had a pass rush for two years now
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#34
I guess that this Pats team isn't too different from the on last year
Beat the teams you are supposed to beat, but lose to the elite teams.
Not good if we're heading to the playoffs!
We’ve sort of exchanged Tom Brady for bad health and inexperience.
by Richard Hill on Nov 30, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
If that’s the case then swap Brady for Cassel and free up all that cap space!
4 losses so far and we lost only 5 all last year. This is ridiculous.
To be fair...
Brady was injured for a year and Cassel faced a MUCH easier SoS. Brady’s faced what, 7 undefeated teams this year? That’s unheard of.
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
brady’s cap space is actually not that big, he usually takes a hometown discount every contract he signs. besides, if indy can pay peyton what there paying him and still field a winner, there is no reason why the pats can’t. this defense is young, inexperienced and really doesn’t have any playmakers. thats why we keep losing and bellichick keeps going for those 4th downs. the pats are in the process of rebuilding their defense. expect this for another year or two. bellichick and brady also need to reinvent themselves, their passing attack has become predictable and stale, unless they change things up drastically, this will be the result. teams now have years of film to study and look for tendencies, and they’ve begun to figure out how to stop brady. you can’t run the same offense year after year and think teams won’t figure out a way to stop you.
How to fix the Patriots in 1 year!
1. Use first rounder to draft a stud DE who can pass rush
2. Use second rounder to draft a RB who can complement Maroney and can change the pace of the game.
3. Use second rounder to draft a CB who is first round talent, but somehow dropped to the 2nd round
4. Use second rounder to provide O-Line depth. Preferably in the guard position. Maybe even a future starter?
5. Get healthy. Players who were affected: Edelman, Vollmer, Light, Neal, Koppen, Kazcur (not a bad O-Line in its own right), Tate
6. Continue to get younger. Our O-Liners are all around or above 30. That needs to drop if we want to contend with the faster pass rushes.
7. See if Crable and McKenzie work out. I’m not recommending drafting an OLB early because we have these guys coming in.
We’re not broken. We just need an overhaul.
You don't think Green and Warren are good for next year?
I just wonder if a stud OLB is more important than a pass-rushing DE. Seymour was a good pass-rusher, but he was injury prone. Yet the Pats pass-rush didn’t significantly drop when Seymour was out, because Vrabel/McGinest/Colvin/Adalius Thomas were the main pressure guys in the first place – OLBs all. The first three aren’t in the Pats any more, and Thomas is playing himself out of a job. So I wonder if a stud OLB is more important – especially since McKenzie is projected as a MLB. Even if Crable comes in and does well, he’ll need a bookend OLB.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 30, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Warren's good for next year. He's a stud.
I don’t see Green as a solution for the DE position. We need a rock for the future and I see Green more as a “give the starter a breather” player. It’s true that the LB core got all sacks and applied the pressure, but that was because both Seymour and Wilfork commanded double teams. They weren’t supposed to reach the QB, but occupy the O-Line so others could do that. Our current D-Line can’t do that.
While I DO think that OLB is a position we need to address, I feel that the DE position if one with more certainty if we use a first rounder on one or the other and you can get good LBs in the 2nd round. If we were to get an LB, I’d gladly not take the extra RB in exchange. I also feel like TBC can hold the OLB position for a little bit and can create plays if given the chances. Our D-Line isn’t giving him opportunities. Of course, stud OLBs create their own opportunities, but I still think the core issue lies in the D-Line.
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, and I forgot...
…all this depends upon whether or not we can re-sign Wilfork…
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Which is big on my to do list.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
The way they've been playing him and praising him at every step
suggests they will either resign him, or let him go outright. They aren’t going to enter a bidding war off the back of “Wilfork is the man!” comments every week. Unless they franchise tag him for the maximum value and hope someone shells out two first-round picks.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 1, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
While both of those sound REALLY nice...
…I feel like if we get the 2 first rounders, we might regret that as much as letting go of Asante.
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
I thought the same
but next year being an uncapped year means a whole bunch of underclassmen in college will declare for the draft in the hopes of a big payday… so that the 2010 draft ought to have the best players from two draft classes in them. Might make having several top picks worth it, from a bartering point of view.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 1, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
That's very true.
I’m not very familiar with the rules- if some other team signs him when we franchise him, we get the 1st rounders in which years?
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
bellichick will never do it
no way we sign two first round picks next year, uncapped year and insanely high draft salaries means very expensive 1st rounders next year. thats just not the patriots way. they will not sacrifice the future for a couple of picks that have a 50/50 chance of being a bust. thats just not the way the patriots do things. i would expect they will try to resign wilfork unless he asks for insane money (which i don’t think he will) if they do franchise him, i would expect them to keep him for the year. if they do trade him for 1st rounders, they will either be 2011 picks or they will trade the 2010 picks for 2011 picks. i wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t take a 1st rounder at all next year. if it were me, i’d trade some of my picks for proven veterans. maybe go after peppers.
I believe...
…that if Wilfork was signed after we franchise him, the team would give us 1st rounders in 2010 and 2011? That gives us 2 first rounders in each year, which I’m sure we can trade into the 2011 draft.
actually that would give them 3 in 2011
they already have the raiders 1st rounder for 2011 plus their own, ya if they could turn wilfork and seymore into 4 1st round picks in 2011 i’d be ok with that. i’d still use some of those picks for some veteran playmakers on defense. take one 1st rounder and get a stud running back.
I didn't say Belichick would necessarily use them to actually draft anyone
but they’d be great trade-bait. If he can pick Welker up for a 2nd and a 7th or Moss for a 4th rounder, imagine who he can trade for with three first rounders to dangle around?
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
It'd be the strongest second round in a while, too
if two draft classes worth of good players basically declare all at once, then the second round would be as good as another first round. Oooh, the possibilities.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
I agree
Jarvis Green is adequate but we can do better. I’d use one of those second rounders on a linebacker though…i think our secondary depth is actually okay, they just need training.
"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
Who is in our secondary?
Bodden, Butler…are we going to trust Wilhite? He’s been consistently burnt. Springs? He’s too old. Wheatley? He’s a step down from Wilhite. We need some better players for depth.
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
that guy from nebraska...he reminds me of Richard Seymour..though he will be gone by the 10th pick
he can play a DE in a 3-4…he plays DT in a 4-3
or my buckeye Cameron Heyward who actually plays a 3-4 DE system @ Ohio State…he is a stud. he is the son of Iron head Heyward. he is projected as a mid 1st rounder.
Isn't that almost exactly what we did this past draft?
Minus having a first rounder. We drafted two DBs and Sebastian Vollmer in the 2nd round, right? We don’t really need another running back to get this offense going, we need another talented WR or two. Moss and Welker are great, but not alone.
We also need another talented LB more than DE so BB can use his 3-4 scheme with better personel.
by DrJgopatsgators on Dec 1, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
They executed, we didn't.
- I was sure they were going to pound their receivers coming off the line to throw off timing, but with 10 yard cushions, Brees could dink and dunk all night until someone (whoever Wilihite covered) got open for the score. They were mugging and holding Welker and company off the line, so the refs must consider it legal. That means we should have done it, too.
- We needed pressure, we got none. I don’t really blame the line and OLBs for that, the secondary left huge openings all day long.
- These guys need to learn to freaking tackle and wrap guys up. We hit their runners and receivers, but didn’t tackle them. Yards upon yards after carry.
- Our defense looks tired for 3/4 of the game even when Tom holds the ball most of the time – and they’re YOUNG. What the heck are they doing? Partying until the wee hours?
- Tom Brady flat out sucked. Lead the team, Tom, go through the reads, but most of all don’t throw picks. Part of that is on the patchwork O-line (esp. Kaczur), but Tommy has to put the big boy britches on and make plays. This was not a future hall-of-famer performance.
- I expected Moss to be well covered. The coverage on Welker was cheap. Nobody, but nobody had hands tonight.
- Lo Mo (minus the fumble – which he force-fumbled back) was one high point. He was pretty much unstoppable. That should have made it easier for Tommy and the boys, but they were flat out awful.
- I hope this game was a slap in the face to them and from here on out they decimate opponents. That is all.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 30, 2009 11:52 PM EST reply actions
running game means nothing
when they score in 45 seconds.
"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
Which is why it was so pathetic that our defense looked gassed.
How could they be tired? They were probably on the field for all of 10 minutes total.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
that was some of the worst officiating all year
saints corners were mugging welker all night, either those refs were blind or biased, if i can see it from my living room with a 27" tv, they should be able to see it from the field. inexcusable. yet not one patriot even mentions bad officiating. ray lewis should shut his mouth and watch how a classy team behaves after a loss.
the refs...
weren’t throwing flags on either side of the ball. They missed a bunch of Pat’s penalties as well….but you won’t hear any complaints from the winning team. You never do.
i really didn’t see too many pats penalties that should have been called, playing 10 yards off the wr’s it’s kinda hard to interfere. welker getting mugged a few times was blatantly obvious. ok a lot of holding penalties didn’t get called on either side but that’s normal. when you pull a wr’s jersey and everyone up to 1/4 miles away can clearly see it, it should be a defensive holding. like i said, if i can see it clearly from my living room couch at full speed, there is no reason for the refs not to see it. obviously those few non penalties didn’t make the patriots lose but it still sucks to see officiating that horrible.
hoping vollmer comes back soon
Brady was hurried consistently in this game. When he had time we say the big plays and the great throws. But we couldn’t do it consistently. Brees on the other hand could have had all day to throw. Off course he didnlt need to two when he always had a guy open down field
In Belichick's presser
Several blown coverages, several mistakes. He’s going to HAMMER the defensive backfield. Although, there was plenty of blame to throw around.
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defense pretty much changed the pace of the game
first drive brady made passes when he wanted. Maroney ran the ball well and took time off. The pats had control. Then the defense give up two easy Touchdowns, one when there was no coverage and another when Whilite was covering which is basically no coverage. That pretty much threw off everything.
Let's see....
No tackling, check.
Soft coverage (10 yard cushions), check.
Missed coverage, check.
No pressure, check.
Yep, just the same!
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
This was all 1000 kinds of fail.
Bad play on offense, bad play on defense, getting rocked on special teams with that one hit. I can’t really get specific because I know that they were just plain bad all around. Bad loss, but it was deserved.
Better get back on track next week, but going into Miami. It’s gonna be interesting how that’s gonna play out.
Credit to the Saints. I think they are legit.
Beer is good! And stuff!
The Patriots Quit!
Of course no one in the media will dare talk too much about it. If the Colts can come back from 27, with 5 minutes left, then so can the New England Patriots.
Tale of two New England Patriots
Up by 21 = Keep Brady in throwing on 4th down
Down by 21 = Quit
If the Colts can come back from 27 with 5 minutes left...
…then they’re the greatest team of all time. But they didn’t.
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
But I knew you meant 17 and I see your point.
The difference was the Colts were being able to move the ball. The Pats were not. Brady had just thrown a pick and BB decided that:
1) If the Saints got the ball back, it’d be game over anyways judging by how they were moving effortlessly.
2) It’d be better to rest the starters before they got hurt. We ARE in the final stretch of the seaon.
3) The rest of our team is so battered, we might as well give some of the younger guys some reps in case anything else happens down the road.
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
plus the real meaning of the game
is a probable (though not definite) loss of a bye and home field advantage.
It otherwise meant little regarding making the playoffs and given that, avoiding injury probably trumped going after a slim chance of a comeback.
or they don't risk injurying thier QB on pointless stats for ur fantasy team?
colts didn’t come back from 27 down btw…
actually
i have a feeling brady was pulled for throwing such a shitty interception…he was playing angry.
"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
Shitty interception is right.
He had his head up his arse.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Good game, guys!
Thanks for a fun week of posts. In particular, thanks to The Hill for some fun pre-game hype!
I have no idea why Hoodie pulled the first string superstars with 5 minutes left. Makes no sense to me. Five minutes with Moss and Brady = chance to win. Pats didn’t really test the secondary much. It’s not like Saints were getting a good rush. I was really impressed with the replacement defensive backs that we picked up. McKenzie should have had a second INT.
Belichick looked to have a “break down” type press conference after the game. If he had a personality with the press it would have been on the level of Jim Mora. But instead it was just a, "We got outcoached, outplayed, " yada yada. Kind of weird and sad. I hope he pulls it together because this moping around and pulling the players with so much time left takes away from the victory for the Saints.
Anyway, happy we got the win but wanted to wish y’all the best for the rest of the season!
We couldn't test the secondary...
…because our WRs were so freaking covered ;) I definitely underrated you guys. I won’t do that again!
And we couldn’t win with 5 minutes and 17 points down. Not against the Saints. I made my points a little above this. If the Saints got the ball back once, the game would be over. Brady had just thrown a pick so it wasn’t worth keeping him out there. Your defense was so top notch it would have been pointless. There are some times where it’s worth fighting until the bitter end. There are other times where you need to cut your losses and keeps your assets healthy. We chose for the latter.
Thanks for dropping by. It was fun talking with you guys!
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Brady was off...
Those receivers looked open to me. On that long pass to Moss it looked like he just tossed the ball up for grabs. Still thought you guys could have had a chance. I mean, you have to try and hope for turnovers.
Anyway, lots of games left. Hope to see you guys in the Superbowl!
Well on one of those passes to Welker...
…there was a little hold by Jenkins that was overlooked, but that’s football. Brady wasn’t given time to reach his receivers (O-Line was a mess) and your D-Backs did a great job of disrupting the timing (which we didn’t even do once against your WRs) so Brady was always overthrowing.
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
I don't mind those calls as long as they are made consistently for both teams.
Since we gave up 10 yard cushions on every single receiver, we’ll never know if we could have gotten by with one. In the end, it didn’t change the game one wit.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps it affected momentum...
…but as I’ve said elsewhere, the Saints were scoring at will.
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
The only reason I mentioned it at all was it seemed to thorw Welker off a bit.
I’ve never seen him off his game like that.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
You could see it in his eyes.
He was frustrated EVERY play. He’d get almost open, but then the O-Line would collapse. Or he would get open and he’d get a non-call. Blah.
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Pats got a lot of calls
stupid refs always f with momentum. Drives me insane. You never know how things will go…like for me if McKenzie had made that interception against Moss….or if you guys had hit the field goal before the half. We’re looking at the easy plays though.
Brady had all freaking day to pass. There were like 4 plays where he really needed to get the ball out. Saints just dropped everyone back into coverage and Brady had what seemed like 10 seconds to throw. My favorite was when he had lots of time, had lots of time, and some Saints player is crawling on the ground toward him. It was so painful to watch from a fan perspective. My explanation for Brady not getting rid of the ball early was that (1) he’s become addicted to 50 yard touchdown passes and (2) he has two and a half receivers. Aiken looked really good when he was targeted, though. But my god, Brady was so focused on Welker and Moss it was ridiculous. Watson looked a bit slow out there.
all day to pass? i don;t think we're watching the same game
most people will tell you Brady had barely anytime. Any time he ad was created by him scrambing around for his life, which doesn;t help his field of vision. Seriously you could see the pats o line got beat sometimes on 3 man rushes…
7 & 8 in coverage
is why Brady couldn’t get rid of the ball fast enough.
The Saints owned the miserable Patriots OL with just 3 and 4 DLs most of the game. That meant they could drop 7 or 8 back in coverage. That meant both Moss AND Welker were doubled. And that is why Sam Aiken had a career day with 7 receptions. But when you play a game where your #3 checkdown option is your leading reciever, then you are going to lose because he’s getting it with a hurried throw and never in good position for YAC.
That was definitely the best rush we've had all year.
Getting Big Sed (Ellis) back made a big difference in our run defense. Still, Maroney looked like a probowler in the 1st half. I wish Faulk would have played better. Although I liked crazy Sharper’s hard hitting, couldn’t he have laid out Maroney instead of Faulk? Lol. Geaux Tigers!
Watson's been hurt most of the year
and is still only a ‘probable’ on the IR. The problem is the other TE, Baker, is actually more injured at the moment, so Watson’s playing hurt.
Pretty much everyone in the O-line and TE corps is playing with injuries at the moment, ugh.
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Yeah, I hate that.
Saints have been battling that since like 2000. This year we’ve been pretty lucky until last night…and I thought we were so screwed without our two corners. I don’t know where McKenzie got that game from? Same for McCalister. That surprised all the Saints fans, too!
Also helps to play in Nola…the dome can get really loud. None of my friends can hear today, lol.
I'm actually surprised there were so few false starts by the Pats
they’ve been killed by them this year, and that was before the injury bug bit. I’d have thought they’d get annihilated by them this week, between the loud crowd and the fact that everyone is either a backup, hurt, or both. If they had any excuse for false starts, it would’ve been this week.
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I can't believe the Saints were able to play through those defensive penalties
those were really pathetic. Sometimes I don’t know what is wrong with the Saints. A lot of these wins feel like losses with the amount of errors they make. And that’s a HUGE difference in our D this year versus in the past. This year they get the penalties and move on. Last year they’d just give up…
Try playing the Colts, gah
If Manning puts the ball in the air, it’s a 50/50 for being a pass interference call if the receiver doesn’t actually catch it.
I admit it makes a certain amount of sense – Manning is good enough that if the receiver doesn’t go near it, something probably happened. But the referees rank him so highly that they automatically assume the receiver was illegally impeded. It’s a little frustrating, because Manning occasionally does actually overthrow people. Haha.
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Oh yeah....
that scares the crap out of me. IF we can make it to the Superbowl, the Pats or Colts still scare the crap out of me. I don’t know, we’ll see if we can make it through these division games coming up without losing the entire team to injury. I don’t think most of the Nola fans realize that we have a LOT of season left…lol… Oh well, that’s why we’re fans.
Ha, you are so correct on Manning overthrowing people, lol.
Thanks
Congratulations on the win. The Saints are the better team.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Y'all are great...
wait until the playoffs. And in my opinion you guys beat the Colts, too. Just got unlucky with that 4th down spot. That ref was off by a freaking yard. I can’t let it go!
What needs to happen...
…is for the Colts to break out consecutive win record.
For the Saints and/or the Colts to go 16-0.
For the Saints to break the Patriots’ offensive marks.
So we can move on. We’re clinging on SO much to 2007 that we’re not making progress. Deep ball? Not happening. Why did we keep trying it? Because it used to work. Maybe it’d catch the Saints off guard. Didn’t happen the first, second or third time. I feel like we’re not making the needed adjustments to get back to the next level.
Brady especially looks like he's 2007-fixated
trying to hit the deep pass when it’s just not working, and going back to it out of sheer frustration, instead of playing the percentages and doing things necessary to win properly.
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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 1, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
To b fair i thought Brady was the least of our problems today...
Yeah he played like crap but that was the result of the play by the team around him.
i think you hit on something hill
brady especially seems to be fixed on 07 like sans said to. he thinks he can hit those long balls every time like he was in 07 and can realize he needs to get back to playing an all around pass game. that one year he went deep all game cause was always open but thats just a one awsome year for you guys. he needs to get back to throwing some of those shorter ones and utilizing his other weppons. this game was sad even for me to watch and i dont like the pats. anyway hope you guys do better than this the rest of the way at least see you in the playoffs probably
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 1, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you
There comes a time in the season where you need to evaluate what you do well and do it. We’re past that time. Hopefully, we can pull together after this butt-kicking. I hope it sparks some people to get off the pot.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
The announcers were fixated on 2007
The press coverage was all on 2007. I don’t agree that the Patriots themselves are fixated on that year. The only way the deep ball to Moss works is with a legitimate 3rd WR threat, which they don’t have.
Keep the faith!
Bingo. Nail on the Head.
No adjustments being made. It used to be that we could expect BB and TB to head into the locker room at halftime and fine tune our game plan and various schemes so as to come out and dominate the second half. Recently, it’s been the other way around. Brady is playing not only like a guy whose been our for a season, but also like a guy whose used to having it to easy. Maybe he has better numbers now, but Brady was a better QB before Moss and Welker. He used to spread the ball a lot better and get rid of it much quicker. He’s always trying for the bomb now and it’s not working. You’re completely right, and it’s not just him.
Belichick is also not making the proper adjustments. Our D sucked in the first half and came out and played exactly the same way. I also watched them fail to adjust to the Colts’ adjusted blocking schemes two weeks ago. In the first half, the Colts couldn’t score on our defense because we were in Manning’s face on virtually every down. That completely vanished in the second half and BEHOLD! A comeback. Should they actually have won the game? Probably not, but our D broke down. It shouldn’t have been close enough for a bad call to have made a difference. We do not consistently generate pass pressure because the other team adjusts and we do not adapt. This was clear as day in the Broncos game too. First half we get pressure, second they adjust and we don’t and before you know it, they’re driving on us with ease.
Anyone else notice...
… that Brady and Moss were not talking at all on the sideline throughout most of the game. Trouble in paradise?
Gonna be a long rest of the season.
I didn't notice much of the side-line interaction...
…but I don’t know if it’d look into it too far. It’s a sign that they weren’t making personal adjustments with each other, both I think they both knew that the blame could be laid upon the O-Line giving Brady no time and the ridiculous coverage by the Saints D-Backs.
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Brady was rushed, true...
…but he missed a number of “open” passes. 4 or 5 by my count. I saw CLEAR frustration on Randy’s face after the missed touchdown opportunity early on. Not saying it’s over between them, but clearly disappointment with Tom’s play on Randy’s end. IMHO
Those "Open" passes...
…were downfield and, yeah, he should have made them, but the d-backs did a good job of disrupting the timing of the throw and catch.
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
Brady did have SOME time
but again, because both Moss and Welker were doubled constantly, Brady was often throwing to his 3rd or 4th check down. Those were often hurried throws as the protection eventually broke down.
The first part is because the Saints were often dropping back 7 or 8 and only rushing 3 or 4 and the latter was because the 3 or 4 DLs were physically, on an individual level, out muscling our sub-par offensive linemen.
A healthy Vollmer would have made a difference, because he would have been able to handle the left side easily, leaving the rest of the line with more clear cut double team responsibilities.
First: Pats need a dedicated...
…offensive coordinator. Someone who can create new plays and mix up formations. Pats simply rely on Brady to “find the open” man. That’s not cutting it. A VERY vanilla offense that’s getting schooled by the elite teams.
Charlie Weis were are you!!!????
Yea i think Charlie is great
Do you think you will have him before the end of the season.
The only other place i see him going is to the Browns
I cant stand Mangini but apparently him and Weiss are friends and thats where Brady Quinn is so the Pats better get on the ball to get him
He might go to the Browns to replace Mangini...
because it doesn’t sound like the Browns front office is exactly loving Mangini’s style (or lack thereof).
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Saints played good football...
no doubt, and perhaps in my heated state I’m putting too much blame on Tom, BUT, I do feel HIS timing was off by missing some relatively easy downfield plays which could have changed the completion of the game. The turning point of the game seemed to be that sloppy interception Tom threw, although some might say Randy was out of place, which in turn goes back to my original point: Are these two communicating??
MOSS JUST ANOTHER GOOD REVEIVER!
Hey guys, last week we were comparing receivers and some of you criticized the Saints wide outs for not being as good as NE receivers. Well, I think it’s time for someone to eat crow. Now you may understand why it’s hard to have a standout receiver when your team scores 5 TD’s in a game using 5 different receivers. It’s very difficult to pile up the receiving stats when there are so many competitors on your team. Yea, you’ve got Randy and he’s pretty good but if he played on the Saints team he would have to stand in line, for he would be just another great receiver on a team full of great receivers. UNDERSTAND NOW!!
That was mainly me.
And I still believe that Moss is one of the best receivers in the league. I just believe that your secondary is one of the best while ours is one of the most inexperienced. I do believe I underrated your wide outs, but I’ll still take Moss and Welker over Colston and Henderson any day.
by Richard Hill on Dec 1, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
nice to here you say so....
what did you think of meachem?
Congratulations on the game, guys.
The Saints are the better team. It’s late, I’m tired and disappointed and I’m not going to sit here and discuss each of the Saints’ weapons in detail. They are good and numerous.
Saying I would want any of them over Moss or Welker is pointless – we can’t have them and we need to compete with the team we have. There were many fundamental errors by our defense today. Our O-line is shredded, and we’ve run out of backups. Your D did a good job of disrupting Brady and his receivers. I’m not making excuses for bad play, this is just the situation we face going forward. If you look at our game threads here, it’s all about how we can cope and continue.
We’ve got a divisional game on the road against Miami next week that is going to be the focus moving on. I’m hoping this kick in the teeth wakes the team up and helps them finish the season strong.
Good luck on the rest of your season, and beat St. Favre and the Vikings.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Meachem is outstanding.
I believe you said that he’s a top 15 receiver? (or that you’d take him over some of the top 15 I listed?) Well, get back to me in 2-3 years. If he gets more reps (which will be hard in the Saints’ spread offense), I can EASILY see him being a top 5 receiver in the league. He has SKILLS.
He's doing well
and he sat on our bench for a year.
We released a FANTASTIC receiver in Arrington. I wonder if anyone picked him up? He’s just about like Meach.
You have a cb named Arrington who is in-active
We have a very good reciever who barely got beat out by Meachum named Arrington on our practice squad
Oh man, I'm glad Arrington is still on our squad!
WTF is going on with Lance Moore? He scored a critical TD a couple games ago and just never came back. And now his bro is on the Saints? What is going on with that?
defense also matters, when randy moss is double covered the whole game, he’s not gonna have a good game, no receiver would. when your defense plays 10 yards off the wr’s there going to get a lot of catches, especially when you have a good qb. your argument lacks merit because your not taking into account the difference in the defenses. randy moss is still one of the best receivers to ever play the game, if he was playing for NO last night he would have ripped the pats apart.
Our last year's top receiver Lance Moore didn't even play
Our last year’s top receiver Lance Moore didn’t even play, he is out with an injury. And I still believe Moss and Welker wouldn’t be standouts on the Saints team. You must watch more Saint games to appreciate these guys.
They're not available in my area, generally. This is the first game I've seen this year of the Saints.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
NO recievers are good
But do you really think Moss isn’t one of the top receivers in the league? Pats have 2 great recievers, while NO has a lot of good receivers. it pretty much equates to each other. Also NO has a veteran secondary while NE secondary isn’t much to talk about outside of 2 guys.
After this game...
…I’d have to say that the Pats have 2 great receivers and NO has a lot of EXTREMELY good receivers. Same point as yours, but yeah.
I think the Pats need to play more receivers
Moss either gets tired or lazy. But he’s definitely elite. Today Brady just missed him.
The Pats receiving corps was gutted once everyone realised Joey Galloway had hands like feet
The best 3WR option around sucked, everyone had to shift up a slot, there was no deep threat opposite Moss for the first half of the season because the rest of the WRs were converted college QBs, and as soon as a genuine WR deep threat became available off the PUP list, he was IR’d out. Not ideal.
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Haha, he destroyed the Pats more
Drops in the end-zone. Feet out of the endzone when he did catch it. Baffling route-running. It was atrocious – it was just like he’d left all his footballing skills and instincts behind when he went to NE.
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'07 Season
First and foremost (and this is very hard to say as a rival), congrats on being the only team to go 16-0.
But that was ‘07 and it’s past. Do the Colts have the ability to do it, possibly; will they ever accomplish it, probably not. Here’s why, once you claim home-field advantage there is no need to continue winning games when you should be COMPLETELY focused on the post-season, and the coaching staff in Indy knows this. (Look at our preseason, we hardly ever win one of those games. Why? Because those games count for absolutely nothing). Just like games after clinching home-field advantage.
In that situation, at the end of regular season resting injured players and giving some of your second stringers some playing time in case you actually need them would be a considered a good idea by some.
Bottom Line: ‘07 is over, focus on ’09 and getting into the playoffs… remember this isn’t the NFC you actually need a decent record to get there. Keep them heads up Pats and we’ll see ya in the playoffs.
Disgraceful +++
Definition of disgraceful: In the 2005 NFL Playoffs, in a tightly contested game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Vanderjagt missed a 46-yard field goal attempt wide right with 18 seconds remaining, when the Colts were behind 21-18, costing the Colts a chance at overtime and ending the team’s season.
Don’t get me wrong, 46 yards ain’t no chip shot… but Vanderjagt was fairly consistent from that range… So maybe he’s not the definition, but the Colt’s obviously never forgave him. Enter Vinatieri… thanx again Pats!!
by stampede blue on Dec 1, 2009 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
i'm not a colts fan
but when he kicked a 46 yarder @ the tonight show w. david letterman…i was pissed. he is an idiot and didn’t deserve to be a colt. if it was Adam Nougaterri, BB would have traded his ass to oakland
I don't know if it's any consolation, people
but the last team in this situation – the last time a seemingly playoff-bound team got absolutely crushed by another seemingly playoff-bound team – the loser went onto challenge in the Superbowl.
The game? Week 16 of the 2008 season.
The team that got crushed? The Arizona Cardinals.
The winner of that game? The New England Patriots.
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It wasn't just the loss, but how awful it was...
and it’s definitely possible to recover from it and do well in the post-season. The Pats just have to emulate the Cards – if anything, the Cardinals were destroyed even more thoroughly on the field by the ’08 Pats than the Patriots were by the Saints this week.
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Brady and Belichick seemed to take this a little bit too hard
Seemed demoralized. Gotta move on….talk about next matchup in post game press conference.
They will.
But first you gotta swallow that bitter pill and realize you got beat by a better team. They’re just eating a slice of humble pie and nobody likes the taste of that.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
Not to be a troll, just want to express my opinion
I think this season Pats team is a lil bit overrated, your offense is elite no doubt about it but without a defense how would you expect your team to win when Brady has a bad day, and they will be bad days. My statement to the Pats being overrated is that i dont think the Pats have even beat a team with a winning record at this point and have yet to win a road game thats a sign of a weak defense, and considering the playoff picture as it seems right now is going to be a road journey for the Pats is not a good sign at all. Sorry if my opinion offends someone is not the intention. good luck , i hope to see you in Indy.
I'd agree.
If you look at records now, I don’t think any team we’ve beaten has a winning record (I think the Falcons may be 6-5?). You have to realize that we’ve played 7 unbeaten teams. We’ve gone 3-4 against them.
Bills: Division Game, was going to be close.
Jets: Division Game, was going to be close.
Atlanta: 2008 Playoff Team
Ravens: 2008 Playoff Team + Hottest team in NFL at that point
Denver: Hottest team in the NFL after the Ravens
Colts: They’re our biggest rivals, in their dome, it was close
Saints: Kicked our butt
So we’ve lost to a division rival, the two best teams in football and bad coaching decisions led to a 4th quarter collapse against the Broncos.
The return of Brady was heralded as the return of Christ to the NFL, so it was nigh impossible t reach those expectations. I don’t think anyone here believed them, but the media kept throwing out “Automatically Super Bowl Bound!”
Any elite team would probably have the same record as us after these circumstances. However, any Superbowl team would be at least 9-2.
Also, our road games:
Jets (Division rival who placed their entire season on the result of the game)
Broncos (5-0, against our ex-OC who knew our entire game plan)
Colts (Rival, blah blah)
Saints (Best team in the NFL)
Our away games have been a pretty rough draw. We should be 4-1, but yeah, we were outplayed in the 2nd half.
Not offensive at all
A well thought out comment from a rival fan. It helps keep our homerism in check. ;-)
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hey...we are like the colts from 04-08
i like the new colts d…more blitzing….never thought colts D would ever do that. i saw that in the houston game twice, the 49ers game and the pats-colts game
Old schemes mean bad trouble Patriots fans
Not too happy with last night game as a Patriot fan, another fourth and one failure means it’s time for something fresh and new Belichick is bringing the same old 2002 schemes on defense and offense teams have finally cought on to this and please get Jonathan wilhite out of their this guy is garbage and get some receivers to help Moss and Welker out we need that third option.
I thought Aiken did a very good job...
…it’s just Moss is only thrown to when a play develops and Brady wasn’t given any time. Welker was always double covered and they were extremely physical with him.
Officiating crew
Sean Payton knew this crew “let’s players play” and took full advantage. Why we didn’t rough up Saints receivers is beyond me.
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That's my point, if they don't call it, fine. Then it's legal for us, too.
Instead we gave them a 10 yard free release (maybe to stop the “big” play). Instead the receivers were completely free to make the big play all night.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
wilhite was not the only problem last night, meriweather also was a non factor as was pretty much the rest of the defense. watch the game again, other than a couple of blown assignments wilhite had good coverage on most of the catches against him. he does need to learn to finish the play but his coverage wasn’t bad. the problem with him is when the ball arrives, instead of hacking it away from the receiver, he flails around and lets him catch it. on 2 of those touchdowns wilhite was all over the receiver but he still caught it. and no one is going to like this but, mayo is way overrated. making 15 tackles for a 5 yard gain is not good enough. he needs to be at the line making plays, not 5 yards away.
i agree with much of what you say
but the ILBs job in this defense is to patrol the 1-5 yd zone horizontally because our pass rushers are on the wings. Guyton and Mayo basically play as forward as Wilfork and Co. can get them. This is not the Raven’s defense where the DEs and Nose Tackle act primarily as blockers to open holes for penetration by the ILBs.
So Mayo’s job is different than Ray Lewis’ and his numbers will look different. That doesn’t mean he isn’t really good at what he’s being asked to do.
I agree about Whilhite. I wish in hindsight that BB had told his DBs to play more physical to take advantage of the loose game allowed by the Refs (clearly Peyton had HIS backs do so).
i dunno, to me it seems like he’s constantly waiting for the runner to meet him instead of flying at him trying to stuff the hole. the one time he tried to shoot the A gap, he whiffed badly. it seems like he’s afraid to take on blockers. giving up 5 yard runs every time isn’t going to get you off the field. maybe its just the scheme they run but to me he seems tentative. he is a very good tackler though, i’ll give him that.
This has been said a number of times before...
… but I agree with patsfan1. The trademark of the Patriots offense used to be trickery done right. We used to do some really weird and deceptive stuff out there. We’d come out with a two tight end set and throw deep or run with 4 wide outs and an RB who looked like he was in for a chip-block. We’re talking about a team that took a safety by hiking the ball out the back of the endzone so they could kick it from further out and give the other team worse field position. A team that faked a knee and threw a TD. A team that would operate a play-fake so well that I thought the running back had the ball with my bird’s eye view. The flea-flicker used to be a surprise when we ran it. Where is all of that now?
One of the primary problems I saw in the waning portion of the ‘07 season, aside from a worn down, old and slow defense was the lack of creativity of the offense. We were coming out with a 5 wide-out set every down relying on the fact that our talent alone was going to be enough to defeat the other team. This made for some games that were way too close for comfort and allowed the other team to start bringing a rush against us since they weren’t worried about screens and runs anymore.
I don’t know if we need to re-sign Mr. Weiss as the offensive coordinator so BB can go ahead and focus on what he does best again (D-Fence), but something needs to be done. It used to be Brady that was a lightning reader of defenses who spread the ball out to 5 or 6 receivers in a game. Last night, I saw a team beat us using all of the things we used to do so well. Misdirection and balance. They also had a defense that generated pass rush and made big plays. You want to get a great QB to throw picks? Send a bunch of 315 pound dudes to jump on his head. Just ask Peyton Manning circa 2004 AFC divisional playoffs or any time he played us prior to the ‘05 season. Need a new O line, need a pass rush and need some frickin’ creativity.
I believe the offense has suffered with the loss of McDaniels
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Dec 1, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well yea – he’s an offensive mind. tough to replace
Never put salt in your eyes
by J2 on Dec 1, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
SAINTS FAN - SAINTHOG
Hear this plz , we beat you last night and I am very happy but , I think the Patriots are a team that will always be remembered as a team that reached the OUTER-LIMITS at times. They have and are a very good team . No one can talk bad against our team because you can always point to the wins you have and then add in the SB"s and that 18-0 season as well. I think Brady is a great QB but not as great as Manning. Heck , I am still putting Manning over Brees right now. The reason is simple , I look at the Colts and Manning is the only player there that has them undefeated right now , he carries the team on his arm. Brady has a team , more and better players the Manning and mostly , a much better coach. I think the Patriots are a better team then the Colts are. The Saints are the best team right now in the NFL to my opinion. The way they play TEAM football is really something. No one throws the ball to that many different receivers in the NFL and they do it every game for about 4 years now. Brees has the # 1 QB rating going into the 4th year now. They don’t feature any certain weapon , not even in the backfield , they use all the back in a game and that normally has a defence tired in the 4th quarters.
I can pretty much agree with all of that.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Which Colts games have you been watching??
The way they play TEAM football is really something. No one throws the ball to that many different receivers in the NFL and they do it every game for about 4 years now.
Manning CONSISTENTLY hits 5-8 players with passes EVERY game. He has been doing it for AT LEAST three seasons, if not more. C’MON MAN!!!
The reason is simple , I look at the Colts and Manning is the only player there that has them undefeated right now , he carries the team on his arm. Brady has a team , more and better players the Manning and mostly , a much better coach.
The reason is simple?? Simple minds create simple statements.
Do the Colts even have a second string anymore? This team is by far one of the most well balanced teams I have ever seen. Injuries… what are those? With players like Melvin B. (and so many others.. too numerous to mention, stepping up and showing us they mean business, the sky’s the limit… on the other hand I will mention them: Session (his pick six killed the Texans chance of salvaging that game,) Santi, Clark, Wayne, Collie, Garcon, Brock, Brackett, Addai, Brown, Gonzalez… Do I really need to continue? These players are still on the team right?? C’MON MAN!!
I was just sayin the other day…we may not have some of the biggest names in the league, but big problems tend to accompany big names. I am just happy that we, as team, have an uncanny ability to transition anything and everything as seemlessly as possible; whether it’s balancing injuries or bringing in new head coaches, the Colts organization is by far one of the greatest. When your the greatest, everyone is a hater!! (media included)
Again, Not sure which Colts games you have seen, but my guess is you havn’t caught a game in like five seasons. C’MON MAN!! Seriously??
by stampede blue on Dec 1, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think his reasoning...
…is if you take out Peyton, the Colts aren’t a playoff team. Sounds reasonable. If we weren’t in the AFC Least, I’d say take out Brady and the Pats wouldn’t be a playoff team either.
True
That I can agree with… but that’s the way it is with most teams. Also, thats why teams rely on their QB so much. Part of being a good QB is having an ability to make decisions like a head coach would, but by doing it ON the field. Where would the Saints be without Brees? Same place.
Look at teams like Washington, Oakland, Cleveland, and even Tampa Bay; their QB’s don’t seem to have that same ability and their record’s show that.
You and I are on the same page, but “sainthog” made it sound like there was absolutely no talent besides Manning in the Colts organization. IF that’s the point he was trying to get across, it is ignorance at its finest.
by stampede blue on Dec 1, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Thing is, with the Saints...
…they have 4 receivers who can easily be a #1 (Colston) or #2 (Moore, Meachem, Henderson) on most teams in the league, one of the best TEs in Shockey and (as shown by Matt Cassel) all you need are great receivers to make a QB look good.
I think Manning makes Collie and Garcon look better than they are. Manning makes them play well while I believe that Brees makes plays that fit with how his receivers play (not taking away from Brees, he still has to make the play).
Also, the Saints have a running game which the Colts have lacked.
Running game
You’re correct on that last note all the way. Our running game has always struggled. Addai seems to have issues making big plays, but is a huge factor when it comes to SHORT yardage… and Brown… what can I say about him… nothing, we havn’t really had a chance to see what he can do this season due to injuries. The few games he has been with us he has produced some decent numbers… 10 passes, for 157 yards, for an average of 15.7 yards a play… and 59 rushes for 263 yards, for an average of 4.5 yards per carry is not bad for a rookie season blasted with injuries. Plus, thats only through week 12… so hopefully we’ll be able to see if he’s got any game in the closing weeks of regular season.
by stampede blue on Dec 1, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
SAINTHOG
Again, we are now , we have a long way to go to get to where the Patriots have been , they are a team that the Saints look at to see where they have/need/want to get too. Maybe one day , who knows , at least if we can win (one) SB we will catch (Manning) At any rate , good game last night ahd who knows , maybe we will see ya in the big dance in Miami….WHO DAT
SAINTHOG
I only have one question about the game ….why did the coach pull out the starters with 5 1/2 minutes left ? That has a lot of people here confused . I remember back in the Miami game we were down by 21 pts and never thought of pulling the starters. I know he has a reason but we are here in New Orleans and probably will not get to hear his reply about pulling the sarters. Thanx , WHO DAT
The Pats were outclassed in all three facets of the game.
Tommy had just thrown his second pick, the O-Line is a patchwork of whatever guys could hobble out there, and basically the game meant nothing. It is a non-conference game that it looked like we wouldn’t win. Meanwhile, we’ve got two division road games coming up, and a conference road game. Those have playoff implications that the non-conference games don’t have. If they would have stayed and fought, I don’t believe it would have helped the season one bit.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I guess he wanted to give guys reps, or get game tape, or both
What the Pats had been doing for 54 1/2 minutes hadn’t been working, so there was no reason to expect it to suddenly and magically work in the last 5 1/2 either. So the personnel changes at the least forced the Saints to adjust slightly. He’d also get a better idea of how good guys are by measuring them against the best. Injury prevention might factor in a little, but I suspect it has more to do with seeing the Saints as a potential playoff opponent in the next few years and recognising the need to know just what works and what doesn’t against them.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
That's a good take as well.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Playoff opponent?
One’s AFC, one’s NFC.. they wouldn’t play each other in the playoffs at all… the only way they would meet in the post-season would be during a little dance we all like to call the Super Bowl.
Not tryin’ to start anything… im just sayin’
by stampede blue on Dec 1, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
I know. Hoodie’s secretly an optimist. Hah.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Judging by how the Colts perform in the playoffs...
…and how only the Chargers (the current bane of the Colts’ playoff existence) are playing good football in the AFC, I think the Pats have a good chance of going far in the playoffs.
I here ya..
The Colts have had issues this season for sure… i won’t contest that at all. I just hope that they decide to start playing 60 minutes of football every game
by stampede blue on Dec 1, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Bear in mind two things
The Saints offence is all pretty young, bar Brees, so they’ll be good for a while, and secondly, the Pats are the Pats, and will always be in playoff contention (like the Colts and Steelers, before you complain) except this is the youngest Pats team in a long while, so they ought to improve going forward. If that’s the case, then I don’t see why Hoodie wouldn’t hypothetically be scouting the Saints as a potential Superbowl opponent in a year or two’s time
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
For the most part, I agree...The D COMPLETELY lost the game...
…I think all the media talking heads suggesting that Belichick gave up too much D were right with Seymour, Harrison, and Bruschi leaving all at once was TOO TOO much, and it showed last night…
Also, staying on the D side of the ball…Earlier in the season, I felt like Leigh Bodden was turning into the next great Patriot DB, i.e. Ty Law, Rodney Harrison, ASANTE SAMUEL…WHERE IN THE HELL WAS HE LAST NIGHT?!…NOWHERE in the pass coverage…at least not in the right place, apparently…
On O, Brady is obviously NOT all the way back, as we had hoped after JUST MISSING beating the Colts just 2 weeks ago…He had RIDICULOUS overthrows and off the mark passes, whether it was just his timing after being out last year or miscommunication with Moss, Welker, Watson, Edelman and the other guys on the other end of his passes…
Also, I am pissed off about Belichick deciding to bench the starters with 5 or so minutes to go…WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT ABOUT?…2 weeks ago, he had no confidence in his D, and LAST NIGHT there was a GOOD REASON FOR THAT, but NOW he HAS NO CONFIDENCE IN BRADY, MOSS, WELKER, WATSON, EDELMAN, MARONEY, ETC?!!!…WHAT THE HELL, BILL?!!!
And when the Saints D-Line broke threw our depleted O-Line...
…and hit Brady and give him a concussion (which are on the rise), it’d look like a great idea to keep in the starters?
Brady getting a concussion is the last thing anyone, INCLUDING HIM, is afraid of...
Uh…Brady for the most part has been durable his WHOLE career, up until last year…which was a knee injury…not a Troy Aikman-like concussion…
There was NO REASON TO WORRY about a concussion…The knee, yeah…but thats football…A concussion?…Pssshh…Like I said, he’s Tom Brady, not Troy Aikman or Steve Young…Brady is DURABLE…
To be honest, I almost wish Bill had put in Hoyer before Brady's second pick
Hoyer would be playing like a nervous rookie QB – throwing a lot of checkdowns and underneath stuff and hitting TEs. Which, to be honest, was exactly what I wished Brady had done. Instead it was trying to pick out Moss on first and second down and then panicking when the O-line was broken through and picking out Faulk and Morris in bad situations. If they’d hit Morris, Faulk, and Watson early into the piece – first down for 5, 10 yards – they could’ve built drives instead of those staller or aborted drives where Brady got frustrated and tried to bomb Moss.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
I AM SO HAPPY PATS LOST
BECAUSE YOU UBER-LIB NOREASTERS ARE UBER-OBNOXIOUS, LIKE YOUR TEAMS AND COACHES. POOR BRADY LOOKED SO BEWILDERED, I’LL BE LAUGHING FOR A WHILE ON THIS GAME.
Somebody pay the toll for the troll.
The Saints are awesome and if you like any team in the NFL that’s not the Saints, God help you. If you like the Saints, don’t worry, you’ll suck again in a few years. Any uber-obnoxious Noreaster knows that. We were 2-14 the first season I watched the Patriots (at age 4) and we’ll suck again too in due time.
All-caps is code for saying that your parents are cousins.
And by “a while” I’d imagine 30 seconds, that being the memory span of goldfish.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Don't delete this one sheriff
A little comic relief for the community. It’s so classicly trollish – highly amusing.
Keep the faith!
Yes, Ma'am.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 1, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
wow, i’m actually surprised everything is spelled correctly. must have used a spell checker cause i don’t think morons own dictionaries. what exactly is a uber-lib noreaster? any why use german on an english blog? ya one more question chucki, do you even know what uber means?
The chuck-meister hath been banned.
I’m just leaving his comment here so people can laugh at the troll.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 3, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, for the record...
… after all that the city of New Orleans has been through over the past few years, I am extremely happy to see this team doing well for the first time in its history. Honestly, IF the Patriots are not to win the Super Bowl this year, I’d really like to see the Saints take it.
Also, I think this Saints team may very well go 19-0. They’re a young, hungry team with an incredible amount of talent and there is no team in the league that SHOULD beat them (not that that ever means much). I also think this Saints team is better than our ‘07 team. Their offense is just as good and far more versatile. In addition, they have a great pass rush and an excellent secondary making for good defense all around. Their one slight chink is in run D but that won’t allow anyone to be explosive enough to keep up with their offense. This is one of the best teams I’ve seen play in a long time. Barring a revolution in New England, go Saints.
by PaulRevere on Dec 1, 2009 7:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks brotha!
Nola is doing really well for tourists. Y’all should stop by! New Orleans has some of the unique old style feel of Boston…only a lot more laid back and crazy. I can pretty much guarantee that everyone from Boston would enjoy Nola, and vice versa!
It’s still tough getting businesses to locate back to Nola. There are a ton of tax stimulus packages out there to attract new investment.
Good luck the rest of the year! Y’all are going to win the division and make the playoffs. You never know what is going to happen. Your team knows how to win it all.
Please thrash the Vikings whenever you guys come across them,
I’m sick of hearing about Favre
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
new orleans is the shit
i was down there for the 2008 allstate bcs national championship game between lsu and osu…nicest fans i’ve ever met..there were no shit talkers among lsu fans after the game
I've heard great things...
… about New Orleans and given that I’m French Canuck and have family there, I hope to visit some day. I agree with Comedic Sans, too. The Vikings are a very good team, but that owes more to a great O line, a phenomenal RB tandem, stud receivers and an incredible defense than to Mr. Favre. That being said, I can’t hate on him too much. The media loves who they love and it’s not Favre’s fault. Personally, I saw Brett Favre (age 40, mind you) run all the way down field after one of his passes and throw a beautiful block on Patrick Willis to clear the path for his receiver to take it to the house. He may make bad decisions with the ball under pressure (which he doesn’t see much of with Minnesota’s O line), but you gotta love that heart.
Hey, the game is the game...
Win or lose, after the game, everyone parties together!
Actually everyone kind of parties together before the game, too. Check out LSU tailgating. We yell a little at the opposing team’s fans and then give them some food and beer. Sports are just different here. I think the mentality is that if we don’t win, we blame our team. So we kind of appreciate the opposing team being there to test our guys out.
Farve has thrown like 3 INTs all year. That’s crazy. Brees has done that in a single game this year.
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