Patriots thoughts to ponder: to sit or not to sit
...that is the question. Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune...
Sorry, couldn't resist. That old high school literature class rearing its ugly head (old being the operative word). There are some seriously banged up guys on this squad, guys that are crucial to this team. Reduced playing time or no playing time at all might help to heal their wounds. I can certainly think of one guy. 3 guesses...I'm waiting...guy in the picture maybe?
Yeah, Wes Welker. You don't accumulate 1,336 yards and 122 receptions without putting yourself in harm's way. Did I mention 122 receptions leads the league? Oh, and Wes missed 2 games which COULD have put him above yardage leader Andre Johnson. At least Wes got a Pro Bowl nod as a reserve which I'm strangely OK with; the Pro Bowl tends to keep it simple with a 2 wide receiver set and Andre Johnson and Reggie Wayne are great targets for an all around type of formation.
IMO, Wes Welker is this team's MVP. He's been an ironman out there and even his teammates and coaches say there's not many that work harder nor have a better attitude. Plus, he has to be more banged up than our effusive head coach (where's that sarcasm font) is letting on. We've all seen the hits this little engine that can has taken. There not Ryan Clark hits, mind you, but the body can only take so much. Considering how crucial Welker has been to this team, I think it's time Julian Edelman got some reps. Give Wes lighter work load to keep his rhythm, but let's keep him healthy, ok?
Vince Wilfork is another. He's also extremely important to this team and has really pulled double duty since Richard Seymour parted ways with New England. Yes, Vince is arguably the best 3-4 nose tackle in the NFL, but have you seen what he can do as a utility DL? Outstanding is all I have to say, outstanding. He's been moved around quite a bit and has done an excellent job holding down the fort of the front 3 of 4, whatever hoodie cooks up that week. Rookie Myron Pryor has done an admirable job subbing for Vince and has shot past his higher drafted teammate Ron Brace as the guy who has Wilfork's back. I say let's get some reps to Brace and give Pryor some time as well; Vince should pop in every now and again to "warm up" for the playoffs, but keep him off of the field for the most part.
In the offensive backfield, Sammy Morris had a great day against the Jaguars, but he tends to be injury prone. I've always liked Morris and feel he comes up big when called upon, so he should have limited reps. Laurence Maroney should play almost every down until he learns to hang onto the ball. This would be a good game for Fred Taylor to come up-to-speed. He looked a little tentative against his old team this past Sunday, so I'd like to see more from him. Get Kevin Faulk in there too, but not too much. In general, LoMo needs the practice, so give it to him.
Linebackers? I have no idea. We seem pretty healthy at that position and noone is standing out as "we'd be screwed without them". Well, maybe Jerod Mayo. Tully Banta-Cain?
In the defensive backfield, Leigh Bodden has been having a good few weeks; give Jonathan Wilhite or Terrence Wheatley some time on the field. Should we rest anyone at safety? Maybe Brandon Meriweather or James Sanders could use a few less reps?
Now comes the question of Tom Brady. He doesn't need the reps to stay in rhythm, or he needs very few. I wouldn't be too disheartened to see him on the sidelines for most of the game while Brian Hoyer battles it out against the Texans. With some banged up ribs, issues with his throwing hand index finger and that knee, lets let Wonderboy ride some pine, ok?
Now, while I like the idea of resting some key starters, my overall philosophy is to never "throw" a game like Indianapolis did. Would they lose this one on purpose? Maybe. They're a lock for either a 3rd or 4th seed with there chances for each only percentage points off. They could blow this one to get a more favorable matchup, but Patriots @ Texans is a 1pm game with very little chance of finding out how the other games play out. I don't know, my head hurts when I think about the playoff picture.
Who would you rest? Should we rest starters? Am I totally off base? I'm sure you'll let me know. ;-)
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Rest everyone!
Have them play 1 series and then yank the offense, specially the starting O-line. Last week was the first time all year we had the full O-line starting. A fully healthy O-line come playoff time is a luxury we must protect.
I don't think benching them outright sends the right message
but perhaps rotate them regularly. Get all the possible combinations and situations covered – Vollmer playing both left and right, Connolly subbing in at centre and both guards, rotate the corners in and out, safeties the same, linebackers should all get game-time, etc. Injuries can happen at any point, and presumably guys are playing at their highest output in playoffs – hitting harder, trying to do more damage, etc. This is precisely the time that you want to know what your backups can do to fill in alongside the starters, just in case, so you should use this as a test run of the back-up plan. Plug in the rooks and backups alongside all the starters and get some reps in, just in case. It keeps the older guys fresh and gets the younger guys valuable experience. Brace would learn a lot plugged alongside Green and Warren in game situations, etc, and the same goes for the other guys. Just don’t keep them off the field entirely, it helps nobody.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 30, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Sit Wilfork, play Maroney
Have Welker or Edelman bring it to the two yard line and make Butterfingers Maroney punch it in over and over and over.
Keep the faith!
You apparently missed the thread discussion
elsewhere we established that Maroney is NOT a butterfingers, at least relative to other feature backs in the league.
Guys that have more fumbles than he does this year include names like Adrian Peterson, Ricky Williams, Steve Slaton, Matt Forte …
Basically if you take the list of RBs who have 150+ carries this year, a huge percentage of them have 4 fumbles or more and most have at least 3. Maroney is in with a large pack of guys who all have 4. And we all are pretty confident that if the cameras would have had a better view of that last one, it would have been ruled a TD instead.
Folks need to give it a rest and stop picking on the guy. He’s been a stud for us this year. Very few backs have been as reliable at getting positive, low-beta yards.
I've been a vocal supporter of Maroney on this site, and continue to be one
but it doesn’t mean the guy couldn’t use a bit of practice – even to get his own confidence back up. There was a picture from practice the week before the Jaguars game of Fred Taylor trying to rip the ball out of Maroney’s hands, so I think the Patriots feel he needs the practice as well.
Keep the faith!
He seems to be a confidence player
He gets into hot streaks and plays well in consecutive games against both good and bad opponents – 2007 playoff run and 2009 midseason stretch being the obvious examples. But on the flipside, when he’s finding it difficult he finds it hard to pull out of his dancing funk. Give him reps now and give him all the chances of success to get him in a successful groove (and that means not resting your starting O-line until he’s running it really well). I also like the idea of using Morris as a FB while Maroney gets back into it – with Taylor back and BJGE still on the roster, there’s a little more depth to play with, so Morris isn’t quite as necessary as a HB.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Dec 30, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
have brady play for at least 1 half.
but i’ll stand by whatever belichek does.
No Way
Why should anyone get a day off? This is the last game and we need to get some momentum going for the playoff run. Though I agree that Edelman should get more reps, he should get them anyway, as well as Carter, Aiken, and whoever else is available at WR. I know that we don’t want to get anyone hurt, but like the 07 team, everybody needs to prepare for the coming games. Tom should only play a half if the game is already over, whether they are way ahead or way behind. They get paid big bucks to play these games and play them they should. I think the Colts are idiots for resting the regulars in week 16. This is not a championship team. Since the Patriots have not been playing like they could, this is the game that sets the stage for another Super Bowl. Hoyer has proven, at least to me, that he can run this offense. The defense must dominate the Houston offense to get the confidence they need going into the stretch. As for Elmo, sit him. Let the law firm and the old guys get the reps. He is just going to drop another, hopefully not this season. I realize that guys are hurt, but they started hurting long before this week and now isn’t the time to rest them. There is only four games left if things go like they should. Win them all. I know that my opinion is probably not one that everyone will agree with, but as a fan of the Patriots for over 40 years, I want the A-team and the A-game going forward!!
Those of you who think you know everything just annoy those of us who do!!
no way
b/c this is the first game since the beat down by the saints, i’ll get to watch on tv and i hate watchin it on the websites.
rest the injured players….if the game is in hand in the 3rd qtr, take most of the 1st stringers out…and plz, no Wes on punts.
Oh come let's sing Ohio's praise,
And songs to Alma Mater raise,
While our hearts rebounding thrill,
With joy which death alone can still,
Summer's heat or winter's cold,
The seasons pass the years will roll,
Time and change will surely (truly) show,
How firm thy friendship... OHIO!!!
+1 rest is needed, but rust is even worse. I like a solid half and take a precautious approach to how much further they play
Jack of all trades-Master of None.....
by Yardpenalty.com on Dec 30, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
LaMarr Woodley thinks Pats and the Bengals will lose their games bc they got nothing to win for and they dont want the Steelers to get in
yeah…bc losses to the Chiefs, Raiders, Bears, Browns scare us…what a tool
Oh come let's sing Ohio's praise,
And songs to Alma Mater raise,
While our hearts rebounding thrill,
With joy which death alone can still,
Summer's heat or winter's cold,
The seasons pass the years will roll,
Time and change will surely (truly) show,
How firm thy friendship... OHIO!!!
rest
u guys help denver out this week then kick our butts next week
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule reseident broncos fan for ap lol
Question from a jets fan
Whose your ideal number 6 seed?
Just curious. I think the jets is Pittsburgh to scare the bengals away from trying to get the 3rd seed
JETS
External optimist
Internal pessimist
u guys i guess
then the broncos, then the ravens, then the steelers
Oh come let's sing Ohio's praise,
And songs to Alma Mater raise,
While our hearts rebounding thrill,
With joy which death alone can still,
Summer's heat or winter's cold,
The seasons pass the years will roll,
Time and change will surely (truly) show,
How firm thy friendship... OHIO!!!
play everyone
on defense except warren/wilfork
on offense except morris and welker
aside from that, play everyone. and if you play them, might as well play the whole game. none of this rotating in and out stuff. if anything, that would probably increase the likelihood of injury.
maybe brady can get pulled if it turns into a blowout, but play and keep the momentum going.
especially on defense, playing against schaub and andre johnson will be good practice for a potential future meeting with the chargers/colts etc

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