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Could Charlie Weis Come Back to the Patriots? Should Charlie Weis Come Back to the Patriots?


The answers in  brief: yes, and maybe. More below.

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The coincidence of Charlie Weis's dismissal by Notre Dame and the Patriots second-half offensive struggles and lack of productivity would suggest that the forces of nature are aligning so that Weis can take up his old job as New England's offensive coordinator. Currently, the Pats don't have anyone holding that title although quarterbacks coach Bill O'Brien has been calling plays this year. With Weis suddenly unemployed and his old job with the Patriots technically open, could Weis come back? Should the Pats bring him back?

 

I don't know the details of Weis's buyout from Notre Dame; that is, if he would lose the guaranteed money if he takes another coaching job. I'm not sure that that would even be the biggest issue. Of more importance, it seems, is whether it would be the right fit. Weis, Belichick, and Brady had a glorious five year run and arguably none of the three have been as successful seperately as they were together.Would the magic work again? Brady was a very young quarterback who needed tutoring when Weis was here. Now, he's one of the best in the history of the game. Weis has spent the last five years away from the NFL where things change rapidly. Obviously, no one would suggest that the game has passed Weis by but pro football might not be the same world that he stepped away from in 2005. Most of all, Weis had never been a head coach before the Notre Dame job. After five years of running his own show, how would he handle returning to a coordinator's role. And how would the fit be with Belichick?

Of course, Belichick did a similar thing when Cleveland fired him after 1995, rejoining his old mentor Bill Parcells with New England in 1996 and then following him to the Jets. As Michael Holley and others have documented, the second time around for Belichick and Parcells was not quite as smooth as the first. Weis and Belichick are known to remain very close and surely Belichick would be open to bringing Weis back in some capacity. But does Weis want to do that? Does he want to jump right back into the fray after five tough seasons at Notre Dame? From another perspective, would it undercut O'Brien who seems a promising young coach? Would it be seen as a vote of no confidence in the current coaching staff? And does Belichick, in fact, lack confidence in the current staff?

On the other hand, rehiring Weis would bring some very helpful experience to an extremely young offensive coaching staff.  Line coach Dante Scarnecchia and backfield coach Ivan Fears are vets, but O'Brien is in only his third season with the Pats and first as playcaller, tight ends coach Shane Waldron is in his second season but first as tight ends coach after being a coaching assistant in 2008, and receivers coach Chad O'Shea is in his first season with the organization. A coaching veteran like Weis would be extremely helpful to the young coaches to whom he could serve as a mentor and advisor. Weis could also help be a sounding board and take on lots of responsibilities from Belichick,handling things the head coach has probably had to do himself this year with such a young offensive staff. Weis could also help Belichick coach the coaches, indoctrinating them into the Patriot ways. In fact, both Waldron and current coaching assistant Patrick Graham came to the Patriots from Weis's Notre Dame staff. And if Belichick could turn over more of the offense to Weis, it would free him up to concentrate more on revamping the defense.

Will Weis return? It seems there are positives and negatives on all sides to sort through first. And no one should expect, if he does come back, that it will be the magical silver bullet that will return the Pats to their Super Bowl winning teams of earlier in the decade.  But it wouldn't surprise me if, even as Weis is being linked to the Bears and Browns jobs and others, he and Belichick haven't already had a conversation about the future, the results of which we may or may not learn about. Perhaps they've already talked it through and reached an understanding as to how and why a reunion will--or will not--happen.

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If Weiss and BB have talked...

I am sure the first thing he said is STAY AWAY FROM THE BROWNS! His personal history and the way the franchise is run would be enough for me to think about another team.

by Ogor on Dec 8, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

The Browns and Raiders are suffering from root-rot

We tend to think of organizations from top down, but another way to view them is bottom up.

The ownership is the root that anchor and stabilizes the tree.
The Head Coach / front office is the trunk that supports everything.
The position coaches are the branches.
The players are the leaves (or in Ochocinco’s case, the nut).

My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 8, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

It could make perfect sense

The offensive strategy needs some significant overhaul; specifically, they need to get back to basics, which Weis was very, very good at.

Also, Charlie’s reputation needs a re-vamp. If he could come here, right the ship and oversee a great offense for two or three years, he’s right back in contention for head coaching positions (maybe this time on the NFL level, where he doesn’t have to recruit and develop talent so much).

Right now, nobody would even consider him for potential HC opening (then again, how many people were saying this about Mangini last year?), and I can’t imagine he’d go be a coordinator for any organization other than one of the elite four or five.

by nbradley07 on Dec 8, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

Weis will either be the OC for the Browns or back with the Patriots...

Weis seems to like the idea of teaming up with Brady Quinn in the NFL…I guess because that was the best part of his disappointing 5 years at ND…when Quinn was there…

But, personally…I wouldn’t mind seeing Weis back with the Patriots, if Belichick would have him back…The Patriots wouldn’t struggle on O any more than they have been…particularly in the second half…Thats for sure…

by Patriot1 on Dec 9, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

I can't imagine Mangina being there for long.

My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 9, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It's that time of the month for him...

…I hope we pick up someone as an OC. That’s what we NEED. Martz, maybe?

by Richard Hill on Dec 9, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

C'monnnnnn Shanahan

I just want to see what kind of production he could get out of Maroney, actually. Otherwise I’m not too worried, as long as it’s someone with a decent plan and who’s bright enough not to screw up on basic calls.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Dec 9, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

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