Patriots appear primed to make move for Peppers
by bartHML on Mar 16, 2009 3:01 PM EDT
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The trade that sent Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs appears to be only the first phase of some major wheeling and dealing by the New England Patriots this offseason.
The second phase, NFL sources say, is likely to involve a trade that would send Carolina Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers to the Patriots in exchange for the second-round pick (34th overall) they received from the Chiefs on Feb. 28.
According to league sources, the Patriots and Panthers are hoping to complete the deal at some point between the March 22-25 NFL owners meetings and the start of the draft on April 25.
The Front Office never sleeps... We have some interesting days ahead of us. Personally, I love Peppers, and I would be happy to have him here. Of course, his ability to play in a 3-4 scheme is pretty much unknown...
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love it
if BB says he can play the 3-4, I believe he can play the 3-4 until he’s proven wrong
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This is starting to get insane.
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great, but still a lot of days
between now and April 25th. I’d love to see Peppers here but I’m going to be guarded in my optimism until he’s traded and signed. :)
It is time to get crazy!
This guy is 6’7" 283 and fast as hell he makes Adalius Thomas look small. Then the pats can throw Jason Taylor at inside LB and then draft someone for our secondary lets get crazy!!
If only...
When the deal is done then i will be happy. The more i ponder on the fact that J. Peppers might come to New England the more i question how we are going to afford Peppers on our roster with the cap space we have and the fact that we still have to sign the draft picks!!
sadly i think there is something he's not telling us
I think in order for us to get peppers, still have good cap space, and the fact that the panthers want someone equal in return, we have to trade them seymor and the second rounder.
Adam Schefter says no Peppers in NE
I was just listening to Adam Schefter on WEEI this morning (no link yet) and in his opinion the Peppers to Patriots deal will not happen. He thinks it would cost too much for the Patriots to get him, especially with the other deals that need to be made, i.e. the re-signing of Wilfork, Seymour, etc…
He might be wrong, but …
Keep the faith!
I don't buy it
Peppers would have to get $17M this year. That would kill the cap. Add to that that the Panthers are going to want a hell of a lot more than an early second rounder for him, and this just doesn’t make sense.
Now, if all it took to get Peppers was the Chiefs’ second rounder and Peppers would sign, say, a three-year contract for $30M or so total, I’d be on board. But this? It just doesn’t make sense.
I was under the impression
that unless Peppers signs the franchise tender, he can technically take a different deal to Carolina and get that approved. So the Panthers can’t shop him, but he can shop himself and then get the Panthers blessing. So a 3-year, $30 million deal may still happen. Still not sure how I feel paying $10 million a year to a 3-4 DE, even a blessedly gifted one, but it’s more palatable that $17 million!
Carolina is a bit in a bind because I think as long as that tender is offered, even if he hasn’t signed it, they still have the hit on their cap. So there’s a bit of pressure on their end to move him as well, since it’s eating up a lot of their flexibility right now. Also, if he does sign the tender, any team that tries to sign him away will have to give up two 1st round picks — I think that will scare off lots of suitors. So if Peppers is to make $17 million this season, I can’t imagine him doing it anywhere other than Carolina.
I still think there’s a lot of issues to work through, but the Patriots getting him may not be quite as long a shot as it seems at first blush?
Franchise tag definitions
From wikipedia.org:
- An “exclusive” franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player’s position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams.
- A “non-exclusive” franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player’s position in the previous year, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.
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but we can trade for him, right?
I can’t see us signing him away from the Panthers directly, especially if 2 first rounders are part of the package, but I guess those conditions are bypassed via trade? I keep forgetting that this is more about the Panthers avoiding a holdout rather than two teams engaged in a traditional bidding war.
We could come to terms
with Carolina on the compensation necessary to bring Peppers to New England. So, if we signed him directly without engaging any conversations with Carolina, the Pats would give up the two 1st rounders, but because that’s highly unlikely, they’d be more likely to bargain with Carolina and settle on something less (like, say, a high 2nd rounder).
Peppers wouldn't agree to that deal
That’s the deal you take if you really want to get out of Carolina and you’re more interested in winning a Super Bowl than making bank. I’m convinced Peppers is there are the first part of that, but not on the second part.
2 first round picks?
Then why did we not get two first rounders for Cassel?
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