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Should Julius Peppers wear a Patriots uniform?

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I have no doubt in my mind Julius Peppers is a star quality defensive end. The Carolina Panthers believe it too, slapping the franchise tag on JP at a cap cost of $16.683 million.  I won't rant on and on as to why I think that's just a stupid figure for a DE, but that's beside the point.  Julius Peppers' name has been batted around enough on this blog and elsewhere that I thought it was time to address the issue head on.

Julius was most likely franchised for reasons similar to Matt Cassel's recent bout with "tag your it".  That is, Carolina either a) needs him and is willing to shell out $16M+ or b) they want to tie him up and get something for it.  Either way, there has been speculation all over the place that Peppers is already picking out his locker at Gillette or he's close to picking out curtains in his new Back Bay condo.  Before we dive into whether or not this is a good thing, I believe a refresher on defensive schemes run by the Patriots and Panthers is in order.

Patriots 3-4

The Patriots are widely known for running a 3-4 defensive scheme which essentially means 3 defensive linemen (2 defensive ends and a nose tackle) and 4 linebackers (2 inside linebackers and 2 outside linebackers).  The remainder of the defense is 2 cornerbacks and 2 safeties.  The job of the DLs is to plug the gaps and jam the offensive line; as such, they are usually very big guys.  The OLBs cover the edges and, in many cases, one of the OLBs is responsible for pass rushing or creating pressure in the backfield (Mike Vrabel was a perfect example of this).

Panthers 4-3

In a 4-3 defensive scheme, there's 4 defensive linemen, 1 middle linebacker and 2 outside linebackers, 2 corners and 2 safeties.  In this scheme, the defensive linemen are a bit smaller than the 3-4 scheme and the DEs in this lineup have a vastly different job than in a 3-4 DEs: create pressure.  Therefore, they are light, strong, and fast.  Light, at 270 lbs, being a relative term.

Ok, school's out.  Why did I go through this example?  Julius Peppers is a DE in a 4-3 scheme.  He's simply not built to be a DE in a 3-4.  But wait, that's not where he wants to be.  Julius is far more interested in taking on OLB duties in a 3-4.  He's 270 and is insanely fast, the perfect pass rusher.  This would seem to make sense given we just lost OLB Mike Vrabel.  It might make sense if circumstances were vastly different.

First, Peppers will be VERY expensive.  4-3 DEs of his caliber don't come around very often and get paid a ton of money; Belichick would never pay that much for an OLB, especially when he needs to take care of one of the most important defensive players on the roster: nose tackle Vince Wilfork.  And Peppers wants a longterm extension that will likely scare the Patriots away.  Even though Vrabel is bound for Kansas City, we have starters Pierre Woods and Adalius Thomas - not too shabby.  We could pick up a value free agent and, along with OLB Shawn Crable, we'd be in good shape.

As mentioned above, there's no doubt in my mind Julius Peppers is an extraordinary athlete.  But, he comes with an extraordinary price tag.  And the Patriots are not known to go on spending sprees.

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If I thought the Panthers could sign him long-term I would be for that

but he wants to leave. Hence Panther fans want to see him traded for something. I certainly don’t want to see the Panthers pay $16.7M for a guy that doesn’t want to be here. Yes, he will cost the Pats a good bit, probably $10 mil a season and a couple high draft picks. Yet Bill has to be dreaning about having him on the squad, not just for the pass rush. Pep lead the league in forced fumbles, can play coverage and can block kicks. I think you guys would get over the price pretty quickly.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Mar 4, 2009 8:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe get over the price
I think you guys would get over the price pretty quickly.

It would be nice. The only problem I see is the Pats are SOOOOOOO value oriented (can I say cheap) that it could be a tough sell.

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by MaPatsFan on Mar 4, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think

we can afford him.

"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

by Mainiac on Mar 4, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

also

last year(and previous years) we lost plenty of players on our front seven before with injuries(thomas, seymor, wilfork, crable). the thing is we NEED a pass rush.
the thing is if we bring peppers in, then i think we have to give carolina seymor and one of our second rounders.
IF we do that then don’t get discouraged, backup jarvis green is a great DE.
Imagine: Front 7- DE Green, Wilfork, Warren; LBs- Thomas, mayo, ( either bruski or guyton(who is also a good-great 1st year LB)), and Peppers. I think our defense will be fine, and we WILL have a strong pass rush!

by patriotguy on Mar 4, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

the combination of big bucks AND draft picks is too high

The Pats have four picks through 60, one at 89 (more picks than any other team to that point), and people are complaining about that now. Plus, I wouldn’t want to give up Seymour either.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Mar 5, 2009 7:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a side note

The injury thing i mentioned was because peppers would add depth, leadership, and metoring crable and woods.

by patriotguy on Mar 4, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

or...

we dont get him, and we just let woods take over. he already proved he could start, and i think he would be a great LB. he is also going on 5 years pro and i think it may be unfair to get another young guy like peppers to replace him.

by patriotguy on Mar 4, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares about being fair?

Do you really think the Patriots are going to draft and pay four players in the Top 89? That’s a lot of jack as well for 4 unproven players. Pep is a sure thing and he rarely misses games due to injury. He will make the rest of your defense that much better because suddenly every OC you face will have a game plan to stop him.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Mar 5, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but

woods is a great OLB on our team. plus we will be able to pay wilfork and keep seymor on our DL. We’ll probably be able to pay seymor too. plus seymor is younger than peppers, and HE IS the best pass rushing AND run stopping DE. most D-Lineman are either pass rusher, or just run stopper, seymor is great at both.

by patriotguy on Mar 6, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It depends

I’m not completely in favor of bringing Peppers in, but I’m not completely against it either. The guy would have to take a serious pay cut in order to play here, because I can’t see us shelling out that kind of money to a conversion project. I don’t doubt Belichick’s ability to help him transition to OLB, but the fact is, he’s still a conversion project no matter which way you put it.

Also, the Panthers don’t really have a lot of room to negotiate and demand a ton of draft picks considering how close to the cap they are. It’s very similar to the situation the Pats were in with Matt Cassel.

Has it been confirmed that Peppers’ AFC choice was the Patriots? I know he said there’s only one team he’d be willing to play for in the AFC, but I can’t remember if he specified which one.

by NESilver on Mar 4, 2009 10:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I agree with this. Peppers is definitely an extraordinary talent, but I also see him as a pretty selfabsorbed player who wil NOT settle for anything less than market value. That would be fine, if he fit an obvious need, but he likely wants to be paid DE-money to play OLB, which he has never done before. I just don’t see it as a good fit.

by hythlodaeus on Mar 5, 2009 5:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't call him 'self-absorbed'

He’s a very quiet guy who keeps to himself and is hard to read. I do think he has bought into the hype and thinks he should be able to shatter the sack record if put into the right system. He could very well just do that.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Mar 5, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It would take the #25 and the #89 I bet

Bill hates paying 1st round money to rookies anyway, so you still have 2 second round picks.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Mar 5, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you dont want him!

Pat’s fans
As much as I, a Panther Fan, wants to get what we can for Peppers in a trade, I would have to say he is not worth it. In 2007 everyone thought he was sick, hurt, or something, that was causing him such a bad season. This year, yet his numbers were way up, 14.5 sacks, at least 10 came in the 4th qt when game was over. He also never recovered a fumble or intercepted a pass. The though here, he quit on Carolina in 07, was offered the most money a defense player had ever been offered and refusesed. Then he demands a trade before the “tag”, if that were and did happen. My conclusion, he QUIT! In 07 he quit on this team and he knew he needed numbers for his demand in 08.
Last part of why you don’t want him!!!!! We use him many many many times in a 3-4 type D, even though we don’t play that. He get to tired from running after receivers that he can’t rush the passer for the rest of the game. That is how team have shut down Pep in the last few years. I will finish w/ 90% of our Panther D coaches left w/o a job and w/o being forced out. Don’t know why, but I am sure it had to do w/ Peppers and using him in a way that hurts the team. Maybe we should trade Fox instead! Just a Panthers season tix holders oppinion.

by bestpantherfan on Mar 5, 2009 9:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't recall you bestpantherfan having been on my site

You should come on over to Cat Scratch Reader and hand with your ilk!

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Mar 5, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"hang"

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Mar 5, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There's another explanation for his '07 performance that makes more sense

If you recall that during the 2007 training camp Peppers missed a couple weeks of work due to an undisclosed illness. I first reported it here but the link within this post is now broken. They never did say what the illness was but they did mention the medication that he was taking sometime later in an interview, which he continued to take over the next couple months. I had a reader who apparently was familiar with the drug and said it would sap is energy and stamina and that we should expect Pep to start the season slow. I never saw any confirmation on this via the MSM but it made sense and his performance bore that out. I always waited for some journalist on ask this question about the medication but it never came up. To this day we don’t know what it was but it must be something embarrassing or it would have eventually been disclosed. An STD? Just guessing?
So I don’t buy the “Peppers just quit in 2007” scenario.

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Mar 5, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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