Pats Pulpit's list of 5 Most Overrated Players

by MaPatsFan on Jul 7, 2009 3:31 PM EDT in Opinion Comment 47 comments

I must admit, I stole this idea...sort of. Stampede Blue is running a story entitled, 5 Players You'd Like to Kick in the Nuts. Rodney Harrison seems to top the list. I'm SHOCKED!! Colts fans hating on Rodney? At any rate, Behind the Steel Curtain ran a similar fanpost entitled, Top 5 NFL players I'd like to punch in the face. Well, I'd like to put a little spin on it, listing the the top 5 most overrated players in the NFL today.

Peyton Manning - Stats, stats, stats...that's all I see from Colts fans. I have no doubt he's a great QB and an HoF'er to boot. But he's not the greatest to ever play the game and he's certainly not worthy of all the praise he gets. Let's not forget, he only has 1 ring to prove his "greatness". Colts fans will discount Brady's 3 rings in 4 trips, but ask Manning what he'd rather have - stats or rings? I think you know the answer.
LaDainian Tomlinson - At one time, LT was the man. He's not anymore. Is he a victim of the Chargers' organization or simply washed up? Plus, I can't stand the way he pouts like a baby when things aren't going his way.
Jay Cutler - Back to the quarterbacks, he's done nothing for the Bronco's organization other than cause them grief. He was PO'd when ~~backup~~ Matt Cassel got a better contract than him, so the first round, silver spooned baby had a hissy fit when his new coach, Josh McDaniels, essentially expected him to man up. Good luck to the Chicago Bears. You've just inherited a highly paid head case.
Terrell Owens - There is a paltry 100 reception difference between T.O. and Randy Moss - and Moss is four years younger! I have a feeling Randy won't have any trouble making up that difference considering his lowest year was 2006 with 42. Yardage? A mere 1,000 yards difference with four more years in the league for T.O.
Colts Defense - For all the rankling Colts fans do about the greatness of Dungy's Cover-2 style defense, 2008 was a very mediocre year. NFL.com ranks them 11th overall and if you prefer Football Outsiders' DVOA, they're ranked 14th. That doesn't seem great. In fact, it seems relatively average. I don't see how Cover-2 style defenses are any better than your garden variety 3-4 or 4-3, especially when it comes to the Colts.

There you have it. That's my list. Pipe up, Patriots fans. Let's have your list of the 5 Most Overrated Players.

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Hahahahaha.

Good one, MaPatsFan. Good One.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jul 7, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Easy

1. Brett Favre – If you play long enough you’ll have all the records including most interceptions. Major Diva and media darling. Used to like him, now I can’t stand him. Worse yet, living in Minnesota, if the Vikings get him he’ll be on TV all the damn time. It burns….

2. Eli Manning – Sucked all of 2007 until the end of the year. Then he was just average. Their defensive line was the MVP, not Eli freaking Manning. Last year, no Burress, no Eli.

3. Terrell Owens – talk, talk, talk, me, me, me. Will absolutely disappear in Buffalo.

4. Joey Porter – Big talk, but can easily be shut out of a game.

5. Jay Cutler – Big talk, Big Arm, Big Deal. Who you going to throw to now? More importantly, who’s protecting you now? Time to start pouting.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 7, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Here's some for the coversation

Chad Ochocinco: the NFL’s Rodman, without the rebounding or defense.

Ray Lewis: come late, dance.

LaDainian: the vanishing man.

Jeremy Shockey. The only man in the NFL who doesn’t realize a tight end cannot carry a team.

Brew Brees/Ben Roethlisberger/Donovan McNabb. It’s a tie.

As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead

by JohnHannahRules on Jul 7, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Off the top of my head...

1. Bob “helmet-to-helmet” Sanders

2. Hines Ward
3. Joey Porter
4. Jay Cutler
5. Brett Favre

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 7, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

another clueless Pats fan

1.That was one play. Bob is not Dirty. he is pretty cocky yes, but dirty no way. Helmet to Helmet ONCE. Look no further than the King of cheap: Dirty Rodney. Rodney Harrison. Now if you give Bob a picture, then you better give Rodney a a whole photo album.
2. Hines Ward is underrated. He is the most well rounded receiver in the game period. Great Blocker, great red zone target, great intelligence, and great hands, good route running. He has it all. May not be the flashiest and may be borderline dirty, but he is not overrated at all.
3. Joey Porter is a scum, no doubt dude, but overrated? No way. he has the game to back it up, even though it may be followed by a few legal suits.

Good luck to your patties…….

GO COLTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by indikid24 on Jul 7, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

no, you're right...

I was confused after reading the classy “5 players you’d like to kick in the nuts” post over on stampede blue.

While I do think the Vikings have vastly overrated Favre’s talent, and Cutler and Porter certainly can be labeled overrated – I just plain can’t stand Bob “helmet-to-helmet” Sanders and his compatriot Hines Ward. (Can’t stand Porter-the-mouth or Cutler-the-baby either for that matter.) Porter only has the game sometimes. By no means can he can’t be counted on for every game.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 7, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with the Bob Sanders at #1

He’s the defensive Brett Favre. If you listen to announcers, you’d think he invented the game of football and is being magnanimous by letting the other players on the field with him.

Yet when you go to his stats, he doesn’t cover receivers, intercept balls, or get sacks. He is a middle linebacker who racks up tackles from a few yards farther back.

Give me Rodney any day, he scared every offensive player on the field.

by BigRedDog42 on Jul 7, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just an honest question.

How old are you?

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!

by R_Adragna on Jul 8, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

those writers at the steelers
they think there so good
their called the steel curtain whatever
thats was so long ago give it up already

by Z-money12 on Jul 7, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lol

This is the most ridiculous list i have seen in quite some time now. Peyton Manning overrated? Ok……. if Manning is overrated so is brady. Colts defense? They’re overrated?!?!?!?!?!?! Really? That pass defense made the patriots secondary look like a jv highschool football team. The’yre not overrated. Overrated means if someone truly believes that they are top 10. The colts D is extremely poor at run D. It’s funny that you can say they are overrated when on fact they might be nderrated. They’re where they are supposed to be. They are average at best. Pats fans make me crack up.

by indikid24 on Jul 7, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I disagree, somewhat.

I think Payton Manning deserves the accolades he gets. He is one of the all-time greats. I’m not a fan of his but have to concede his excellence. To me saying he is not great is like saying Brady is not great.

I don’t think Tomlinson is overrated anymore.

Cutler is not overrated because he is not rated that highly. Methinks this guy is bad news.

TO has been a great player. He deserves to be rated highly. He does have a big mouth though but that doesn’t bother me.

I don’t think the Colt’s defense is overrated, because I don’t think it is rated very highly anyway.

I’m sure there will be many different opinions on this one.

My top 5……

1. Ben Rottenburger

2. Michael Vick

3. Eli Manning

4. Tony Romo

5. Matt Light

by BabeParilli on Jul 7, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Matt Light? Seriously?

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!

by R_Adragna on Jul 8, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

I have always been down on Light, even before he stank up the Super Bowl against the Giants to high heaven. His comments after the Super Bowl were infuriating as well. He is an average LT, no better. I will be glad when he is gone. Just my opinion.

by BabeParilli on Jul 8, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eli Manning definitely should have made my list

They’re talking about making him the highest paid player in the league – the NFL’s first 100 million dollar man. Now that’s overrated.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 8, 2009 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

First of all

if you are going to talk about Tony Dungy’s defense, use the name of the D. It’s a Tampa-2. A cover 2 is not the same thing (though if you could convince Tom Brady they are I, Gary Brackett and Gary Brackett’s travel agent would really appreciate it).

Secondly, this is what I hate about the term overrated. Who is doing the rating? If it’s the mainstream talking heads and the public then the Colts D is anything but overrated. Even after 4 years some people still thing the Colts are the 98-04 shootout artists. As for their ratings this year, I doubt you’ll find a level headed Colts fan that thinks that the D played anything above average this season. That’s about the best you can expect when your starting DTs average 261lbs and you are starting your 3rd and 4th CBs with a safety playing nickelback. If you look the 2007 season when the fatal injury wave didn’t hit until the final few weeks, you’ll see a #3 DVOA and YPG defense and #1 Scoring D that shattered the record for least passing TDs allowed in a 16 game season. That value of the Tampa-2 is that it can work as a budget D. The Colts got to pile up and keep so much offensive firepower because they can field a viable, and at times excellent defense with a less than average investment, in cash, cap and picks. The T-2 can also be a dominant D, just look at the Dungy and early Gruden Bucs. Don’t forget, it’s a revival of a key scheme from the Steel Curtain D, Dungy played for in PIT.

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 8, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

and I'm not even going to get into Peyton being there

that’s just beating my head into a wall of willful ignorance.

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 8, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

we can still be friends though

;)

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 8, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you there

As Peyton improved, so did the whole team last season. One ring, but I’d find it impossible to argue against him being one of the top two QBs in the league.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 8, 2009 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm....

almost half of the comments are made by Colts fans on a Patriots blog, Id like to see that happen over at Stampede Blue any day, no matter what the topic. Really no surprises however after the research done by peytonsurdaddy.

I will agree that Big Bob Sanders is overrated, for the amount of games #21 has missed due to injury throughout his career and the success of the Colts D without em. (The latter is more a credit to Polian’s wizardry at the draft however)

With performances like Bob showed in the super bowl (forced fumble, int) There is no doubt that Bob has the same playmaking ability as the other top safetys in the league like Reed and Polamalu, but the others do it and stay healthy, thus lending their skills to their teams throughout the entire season.

this is more negative writing about one of my favorite players than I’ll ever do again, and it hurt to put these sentences together, but whats true is true

by Hitstick Killer on Jul 8, 2009 3:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm not thinking

Bob Sanders is overrated. But I am amazed he is still alive. The way he throws himself around at his size is a recipe for disaster.

by BabeParilli on Jul 8, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's a wonder he hadn't broken his neck

someone above said it was only ONE play, but that’s just delusional.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 8, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Please

I’m a die hard Pats fan but you have to respect the game and greatness. Some of this is like the little baby on the playground that is crying because someone stole his toy. Only one the list that is Legit is Cutler….Colts defense isn’t rated in the top 10 anyway how can they be rated to high.

by dexter c on Jul 8, 2009 7:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ha!

I love how it is always “stats or rings.” It’s never “both.” Because, if both are measured equally (as all rational people do when measuring the legacy of a player) calling Peyton overrated makes me wonder if you’ve had your coffee this morning.

And again, I love the “only one ring” to prove his greatness line. Steve Young has “only” one ring. Dan Marino has zero. Terry Bradshaw has 4. I guess he is more “great” than Brady, Elway, Manning, and all the others.

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by BigBlueShoe on Jul 8, 2009 8:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Believe it or not...

…I actually agree:

I agree with this:

I love how it is always "stats or rings." It’s never "both." Because, if both are measured equally (as all rational people do when measuring the legacy of a player)

The problem is when we get into a Brady vs. Manning tussle, the Colts fanbase uses stats (DVOA from FO, for example) and the Patriots fanbase uses rings (ESPN All Decade Team) to prove who’s the better QB. Do I believe Manning belongs on this list? Not really. It was merely a means to an end, to point out the folly of the stats vs. rings arguments. Probably not the best way, but what the heck. Maybe I should ask mgrex03 and/or Shake (if he doesn’t hate me ;-)) to work up a combined stats and championships measurement.

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by MaPatsFan on Jul 8, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I refuse

but not because I hate you, I don’t.

I don’t think rings is a valid measure of a individual player. Only of entire teams, and for coaches since we don’t have much else to work from.

That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"

by shake n bake on Jul 8, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm...

I don’t think rings is a valid measure of a individual player.

And on this we will have to agree to disagree, especially for the quarterback position. I believe a QB’s contribution, in most cases, merits assigning more value to them.

Blogger at SBNation's Patriots blog, Pats Pulpit

by MaPatsFan on Jul 8, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So what you're saying is...

Trent Dilfer = Peyton Manning
Trent Dilfer = Steve Young
Trent Dilfer = Kurt Warner
Trent Dilfer = Phil Simms
Trent Dilfer = Joe Namith
Trent Dilfer = Eli Manning (eh)
Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino
Trent Dilfer > Warren Moon
Trent Dilfer > Jim Kelly
Trent Dilfer > Vinny Testaverde
Trent Dilfer > Dan Fouts
Trent Dilfer > Fran Tarkenton

You cant judge a QB based on SB wins. It just doesn’t work.

by shep31 on Jul 9, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not the win by itself

But it’s certainly PART of the equation.

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by MaPatsFan on Jul 9, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe not the only measurement...

but it has to count because that’s what every athlete and coach is – or should be – playing for. I’d bet even Peyton would agree with that. It’s the ultimate prize and the more the better. Those players that turn it on in the playoffs or always come up big in the big games – every fan knows who those players are on their teams. We forgive a bad game here or there during the regular season when we can count on them coming through when it counts.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 8, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

When any QB suits up for the defense and special teams

as well as running the offense, I will concede your point.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jul 8, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Too many other things going on right now

But that sounds like a good offseason project for next year. Coming up with the list of factors could take months just by itself.

I don’t speak for all Colts fans, but what irks me about the “rings” debate is that it is a single factor, and that is all that is ever cited as being in Brady’s favor. While rings should be a part, it should be on par with every other stat that a QB accrues, not the end-all be-all, or else, as BBS says every time, Terry Bradshaw is the greatest QB of all time.

This is also not to say that Brady does not hold an edge over Manning in a statistical category. I’m sure he does in multiple categories.

by mgrex03 on Jul 8, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My Fab Five

1. Ben Rothlesberger
2. Larry Johnson
3. Marshawn Lynch
4. Nnamdi Asomugha
5. Joseph Addai

by Justin_Bobo on Jul 8, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Peyton Manning – Stats, stats, stats…that’s all I see from Colts fans. I have no doubt he’s a great QB and an HoF’er to boot. But he’s not the greatest to ever play the game and he’s certainly not worthy of all the praise he gets. Let’s not forget, he only has 1 ring to prove his “greatness”. Colts fans will discount Brady’s 3 rings in 4 trips, but ask Manning what he’d rather have – stats or rings? I think you know the answer.

lmao good one mapatsfan

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by KingRichard on Jul 8, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I Agreee

I totally agree with this analysist, but if i may id like to add one more player, (which im surprised wasnt put there) Is the Overrated Eli Manning.

First off, HE SUCKS!!!
Eli didnt lead them to beat us in their surprising superbowl win, it was indeed their running game.
If it wasnt for them, theyd be a nobody and Brady would have Four rings!
My personal opinion: Eli is overrated, right along with his brother, who has far more talent then he ever will.
But wait. Im not giving Payton a whole lot of credit, hes wayyy overrated. im just making a point.

All in all i loved this analysist!!
Good work!

Go Pats!

by BigCountry12 on Jul 8, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Eli

may become the NFL’s first $100 million man. If that doesn’t scream out “overrated” I don’t know what does.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 8, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Manning vs Brady

The who’s greater argument is an exercise in futility. Sure it makes sense to say, “I’d rather have Manning”, if you’re a Colt fan. As a Pats fan, “I’d rather have Brady.”

If your starting quarterback is Tavaris Jackson, however, you’d grab either of them in a heartbeat and wouldn’t think twice about the choice.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 8, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

Perspective. All of a sudden I’m glad I’m not a Vikings’ fan. (Or a fan of at least 30 other teams)

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jul 8, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Too much TJ all the time

Living in Minnesota, I get to see Tavaris’ deer-in-the-headlights imitation all the time. I’d trade that for Peyton any day. Shoot I’d trade for the lesser Manning, Eli. If they’re dad wants to come out of retirement…. Well, you know what I mean.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 8, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Since all the Colts fans are here

What did you think about the talking heads last year saying that Peyton’s on the decline and Eli was going to be the better Manning?

Since Peyton’s not on my over-rated list and Eli is, you can probably guess my feelings.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 8, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What. A. Joke. That. Was.

My husband is a Giants fan…so you can imagine the crap I heard at home. I root for the Giants I must admit, but that was a little over the top. I still suspect crack was smoked by all when making that statement.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jul 8, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

or a William. Shatner. fan.

Eli wishes it were true.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 8, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

William. Shatner. Rocks.

I remember watching the old Star Treks when I was little with my dad. Football, Star Trek and Patton…our faves.

Don’t even get. me started. on Boston. Legal. I love that show!

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jul 8, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

manning v brady

while the stats v rings argument is always the go to for pat’s fans to point to brady being the better QB i feel a more accurate assessment would be stats + rings + mvp’s = the better QB. There is only one other QB with 3 MVP’s in NFL history and I wouldnt put it past Peyton to win another one. Once these two are finished with their careers im sure it will be quite obvious who the superior QB was…but its still fun to argue about it now. go horse

by jacantwe on Jul 10, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

just curious

if you can imagine (distasteful as it may be for you) that the Patriots with Brady win another Super Bowl, would that change your opinion at all? Not trying to stir anything up, but just curious to your thoughts.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jul 10, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs