Study shows (again) that Brady is one of the best ever
We often hear, that a quarterback is asked to "carry his team" in an effort to make up for an inefficient running game or a porous defense. Here Cold Hard Football Facts actually try to measure what this means - and find out who is good at.
Brady is great; you-know-who from countless commercials not so much. Check it out!
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Once again...
The kids at CHFF look in-depth for a place on Brady’s ass that they haven’t kissed yet.
"Flying blind on a rocket cycle?" -Vultan, from the movie "Flash Gordon", for no particular reason...
And come up short...
"Flying blind on a rocket cycle?" -Vultan, from the movie "Flash Gordon", for no particular reason...
by peytonsurdaddy on Aug 13, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's try an truly objective source...
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
Objective?
As you go back in his progression of calculating based on a single season. Peyton’s record setting season tops the list of all QBs. He’s adjusted his numbers by 2008, so that Tom’s record setting season nets him 10th place behind Peyton’s season at 4th place. WTF?
If I twiddle the numbers enough, I’d probably find that I make more money that Bill Gates. Where’s my calculator….
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 13, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Peyton played in about 4.5 less games in his record breaking season
than Brady did in his. I’d say Peyton was more productive.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 13, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I do
I do make more money than Bill Gates….
Numbers don’t lie :-)
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 14, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
huh?
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 14, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Numbers don't lie:
Just an FYI:
Peyton had 81 fewer attempts in 2004 than Brady did in 2007 (497 vs. 578)
Brady’s avg yard per attempt: 8.3, Peyton: 9.2
QB Rate for the year(s) in question: Brady: 117.2, Peyton: 121.1
So, yeah, I’d say that 81 fewer attempts in the season with 1 less TD is more productive. Peyton sat out several 4th quarters due to large lead over opponents.
81 fewer attempts probably equals about 2.5 games as Peyton avgs about 30-38 attempts per game.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 14, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
peyton is a great qb
but right now, i’ll have to say brady is better than peyton. but if the numbers are correct, then 2004 peyton is better(stats wise) than 2007 brady. but 2007 brady(i’d use this stat because brady’s been injured in 08, and 09 has not started) is better than 2007 peyton.
Didn't Peyton throw more interceptions?
As well as having the luxury of playing in a dome… and that Colts team wasn’t playing for a 16-0 record, so no surprise with him sitting out that last game.
brady had a 42 difference in TD to INTs
btw
by Patsfan4life on Aug 16, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok.
Peyton had a +39 TD/Int
Also, Peyton fumbled in 04 five times and lost the ball only once.
Brady fumbled six times and lost the ball four of the six times.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 20, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
ok and 39 isnt as good as 42
fumbles are different, they work towards rushing stats which dont matter when you throw 50 TDs
by Patsfan4life on Aug 24, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
right....
lost fumbles DON’T matter. Hope you’re enjoying that kool-aid.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 24, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Rings
3 > 1. Fumbles matter. Interceptions matter. Championships matter most.
by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Defense has a little something to do with SBs
Oui?
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 28, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Manning's biggest cop-out.
I happen to think Manning is one of the greatest quarterbacks I’ve ever seen, and therefore find the whole “Brady vs. Manning” argument rather tiresome, but this is one excuse that gets really old, really quick.
Manning has had four years on teams with a top 7 scoring defense. Brady has had five. In the postseason those years, Brady went 13-2. Manning went 0-4. Regular season, Brady went 67-11 while Manning went 49-15. SB Championships during those years – Brady = 3, Manning = 0.
Manning has led his teams to fewer than 20 points eight different times in the playoffs out of fifteen games (and given the amount of times the Colts have been “one and done” I’m inclined to wonder if he really faced the elite defenses at that point yet), Brady in seventeen games has only led them to fewer than 20 points four different times.
Colts fans are quick to point to the defense, but Manning played a major part in their losses on potential SB runs.
Points
Maybe if Manning was racking up 30-40 points in all of those playoff losses and it his D was giving up more that cost them games, I’d concede the point. But he’s not. He has failed to break 20 in more than half of his playoff games. Even with awful D, he’s going to get the ball more than 3 offensive possessions; he’s just doing nothing with them. That’s on him, not his defence. Lest we forget that in each of the Superbowls Brady has won, it’s either been him or his receiver getting MVP, not a DB or LB or DE.
by Comedic.Sans on Aug 29, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
should have been his kicker
and, btw, this was a discussion of the 04 and 07 seasons. when was the last time you guys won a SB?
BOTH Mannings have won one since…bummer.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 29, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
For now.
;) I’m exhausted, I give. Truce? Until November, that is.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 29, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll accept your truce.
…For now. =)
Can’t wait until the November game. We need some payback for last year.
Kicker?
You mean, the very same kicker that your precious Colts needed to sign to win the Superbowl themselves? Haha.
by Comedic.Sans on Aug 30, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the one! ;-)
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 31, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Truce.
But yes, this can wait for playoffs. Until then…
by Comedic.Sans on Aug 30, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you now adopting Eli as your quarterback?
BOTH Mannings have won one since…bummer.
I thought this whole farce was just a dick measuring contest between Peyton and Tom. Now you’re making it a three way – kinky.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 31, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Gisele's...
Is bigger than all three’s. ;)
"Flying blind on a rocket cycle?" -Vultan, from the movie "Flash Gordon", for no particular reason...
by peytonsurdaddy on Sep 1, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
4.5 less games
If I pay a QB 70 million dollars and he skips a quarter of the season, I’d be annoyed, not pleased with his statistics. Maybe it’s just me? Hah.
by Comedic.Sans on Aug 28, 2009 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions
You'd have to talk to Irsay about that one...
he’s the one paying him. I never heard any complaints.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 28, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
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