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New England Patriots PreSeason Watch - Tight Ends Updated 8/23/2009


Contiuing the position battles: (Previously QB WR RB)

The Tight-Ends:

NUMBER NAME POSITION HEIGHT WEIGHT DOB YEAR LAST YEAR
87 Chris Baker TE 6-3 258 11/18/1979 8 * Jets
85 Tyson DeVree CUT TE 6-6 245 11/12/1984 2
80 Alex Smith TE 6-4 258 5/22/1982 5 * Buccaneers
84 Benjamin Watson TE 6-3 255 12/18/1980 6
86 David Thomas TE 6-3 248 7/5/1983 4

This battle is one of the most interesting of camp and one that Belichick is fairly tight-lipped about.  What's nice about this battle is there are some veterans, so we can look at some production numbers for the last two seasons:

Name G Rec Yds Avg YAC 1stD TD
Ben Watson 26 58 598 10.3 2.9 33 8
Dave Thomas 17 10 102 10.2 4.4 6 0
Chris Baker 31 62 603 9.7 3.8 40 3
Alex Smith 28 53 635 12.0 5.6 35 6

Before training camp, I figured we'd hang on to all of the Tight Ends with Tyson DeVree heading to the Practice Squad.

The update and some analysis after the jump:

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Ben Watson has potential.  From the time of his draft until now, everyone has said the same thing.  He is strong, he can jump, and he has breakout speed.  Yet when you pick a tight end for your fantasy league, Jason Witten and Chris Cooley clear the boards long before Ben Watson gets a look.  Clearly, there is something beyond the physical tools.  Is it that the Patriots haven't been emphasizing the Tight End position, or is it inconsistency in the tight ends themselves?  Ben has also spent a considerable amount of time out of training camp.  With 4 other guys in the mix, it's not good to miss work.

Dave Thomas had a decent year in 2006.  In 2007 he played 2 games and was injured, he wasn't one of the three tight ends on the roster by season end.  In 2008, he could have had a big year, but he had 9 receptions in 15 games.  Granted 5 of those were for first down, and he has been used alot for blocking duties.  He was used as a full back in the Eagles pre-season game this year, but one-dimensional players aren't usually kept on the roster long.  Dave also had a drive stopping penalty last year in the Colts game, that may have changed the outcome of the game.  We'll never know.  Of course, Ben Watson had an end zone celebration penalty of his own.

Why so many Tight Ends in camp?  Are our incumbents failing to meet expectations?

Chris Baker had a big double touchdown game against the Eagles.  Is anybody excited about what he can bring to the table?

Look at Alex Smith's numbers, the highest percentage of 1st Downs, the hightest average yards, and the highest YAC numbers of the bunch.  That's actual NFL production.  Can we use that potential here?

As I mentioned in my earlier post,  I think we are doing more than providing incentive for our 2 incumbents.  Belichick is looking at multiple tight end formations - those were the key to winning in the 2007 post-season against the Chargers.  He is also experimenting with the use of floating blockers or moving wedges on Special Teams.  I missed that  portion of the Eagles game; I wanted to see what he was up to.  Feel free to comment if you noticed someting.

I think we could still end up with all of these guys on the roster, although Tyson DeVree would really have to stand out to be something other than a Practice Squad guy.  I haven't heard that he is.  It's also possible to see Ben traded toward the end of the preseason, if we decide we won't use him this year.

As the preseason games progress, keep an eye on these guys for production and consistency.  Keep in mind, also that production for a tight end might come in the form of keeping Brady upright, or lead blocking for a running back.  Touchdowns are nice, but look for 1st down catches.  Does Brady trust his hands?  When we use multiple tight-ends, who gets open, and who is left to block?  On special teams, who is featured and in what capacity?  This competition is far from over, and I feel there aren't really any locks.  Each of these guys is playing for his job this year.

Who do YOU feel makes the team?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UPDATE <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

8-23-2009 - The Patriots have cut Tyson DeVree.

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Keep 'em all

I really like all four veteran TEs. They give The Genius a plethora of options & formations to confuse the opposing D. Keep ’em all!!!

by UGotRondo'd on Aug 17, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

They’re a terrific group, and 4 out of the 5 have good hands. I say, Keep ’em all too!

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 17, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No wedges

Given the lack of fullback and the new rules for wedges, and especially Belichick’s emphasis and love for special teams, I can see Belichick keeping a full 4 TE set of of large, very quick TEs, if only to act as near to one-man wedges as is possible on a football field.

by Comedic.Sans on Aug 17, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

one-man wedges

i like that.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 17, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ben Watson

I just have visions of Watson chasing down Champ Bailey… now flip that around and have him running into Bailey full-tilt, head-on. Carnage.

by Comedic.Sans on Aug 17, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, love that play

but Watson actually caught Champ Bailey.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 17, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even more reason...

to line him up in front of a kick returner and have him down down some unsuspecting gunner or special team guy and create a hole. Two-fifty-something pounds of hole opener running at ridiculous speeds… slightly more impact than a two-eighty lineman running about as fast as Tom Brady.

by Comedic.Sans on Aug 17, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To Be Fair

Champ did slow down at the end, he never saw it coming…

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 18, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, I know

but man-oh-man did he get blind-sided. The best angle was the birds-eye view. No one, I mean no one, saw where Ben Watson came from.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 18, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a Great Play

I say Great because it didn’t result in a touchback.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 18, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ben Watson might get cut or traded

Chris Baker is the 1st TE with Great Hands in a long time Brady needs one of those.

by Patsfan4life on Aug 17, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not so sure

Baker and Smith definitely have great hands, and Watson hasn’t quite turned out to be the playmaker BB thought he’d be, but I doubt Watson would get cut or traded. The Pats lack leverage because he’s in the last year of his contract, so he probably wouldn’t get traded. If he leaves in free agency next year, they might get a compensatory pick, so they probably wouldn’t cut him early. Just a hunch.

by jmm1776 on Aug 17, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not cut

I don’t see Watson cut – he just represents too much value. But he could very well be traded to a team with lousy receivers, Patriots connections and a void at TE after moving their future Hall of Famer. (The Chiefs if anybody is in doubt.)

by hythlodaeus on Aug 18, 2009 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew exactly where you were headed

Cassel knows how to connect to Watson

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 18, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CBA?

It seems we’re keeping a lot of our guys entering the last year in their contract because of the uncertainty over the CBA situation. We’ll need a lot of FA’s on our team if we want to be able to sign others once the season is over.

by NESilver on Aug 21, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Baker

I’m optimistic about Chris Baker’s 2 TD game. Finally we might get some good TE action.

by RabidPatsFan on Aug 18, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

Updated

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 23, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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