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New England Patriots PreSeason Watch - Defensive Backs - Updated 9/4/2009



Continuing the position battles: (Previously QB WR RB TE OL DL LB)

The Defensive Backs:

NUMBER NAME POSITION HEIGHT WEIGHT DOB YEAR LAST YEAR
22 Terrence Wheatley CB 5-9 183 5/5/1985 2
24 Jonathan Wilhite CB 5-11 185 2/23/1984 2
29 Shawn Springs CB 6-0 204 3/11/1975 13 * Redskins
35 Mike Richardson CUT CB 5-11 190 2/18/1984 3
23 Leigh Bodden CB 6-1 193 9/24/1981 4 * Lions
27 28 Darius Butler CB 5-10 183 3/18/1986 R
38 Jamar Love  CUT CB 6-0 191 11/8/1986 R
18 Matthew Slater S/WR 6-0 198 9/9/1985 2
43 30 Brandon McGowan S 5-11 207 9/26/1983 4 * Bears
31 Brandon Meriweather S 5-11 200 1/14/1984 3
36 James Sanders S 5-10 210 11/11/1983 5
28 Antwain Spann CUT S 6-0 195 2/22/1983 4
26 Tank Williams CUT S/LB 6-2 223 6/30/1980 8
41 Raymond Ventrone S 5-10 200 10/21/1982 4
25 Patrick Chung S 5-11 212 8/19/1987 R
27 Herana-Daze Jones S 5-11 205 4/15/1982 5*    Broncos
43 Roderick Rogers CUT S 6-2 187 9/7/1984 3*    Vikings

Before training camp, I had Shawn Spring and Leigh Bodden as our top corners, with Darius Butler, Terrence Wheatley and Jonathan Wilihite filling out the active roster,  and Jamar Love going to the Practice Squad.  On the Safety side, I had Brandon Meriweather and James Sanders as the starters, with Patrick Chung filling out the active roles and Matthew Slater sticking on for positional flexibility and Special Teams.

The update after the jump.

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Last year we had 5 corners on the active roster, 2 on IR, and none on the practice squad.  Likewise, we had 3 safeties end the year on the active roster, 2 on IR (including the Punisher Rodney Harrison), and Mark Dillard on the practice squad.

The safety side has seen the most change this preseason with Antwain Spann and Tank Williams cut; Herana-Daze Jones and Roderick Rogers were brought in. 

Brandon "Rock Hands" "I Can Catch" Meriweather is a shoe in to start the season at strong safety, but Patrick Chung has had a very strong pre-season.  I'm expecting big hits out of both of these gentlemen.

Belichick went above and beyond extending James Sanders this year, making it known how much he respects his leadership.  I've got him starting in the free safety spot, but we have a load of safeties in our cupboard. 

Matthew Slater is as unimpressive a Safety as he is a Wide Receiver, but will probably be a Special Teams competitor (Belichick seems to like him).  Hopefully, he improves in his other roles.  Ray Ventrone is also a Special Teamer, but you have to wonder how many one dimensional players we will carry.

So far, I've only found 3 guys that make the roster on Safety play alone, and we still have 3 veterans fighting it out for one potential spot.

We've had a couple changes this preseason on the Corner Back side.   Mike Richardson was cut, and we've had the saga of Jamar Love.  Jamar Love was signed by the Patriots, April 30, 2009, as a rookie free agent out of Arkansas.  He was then released on July 29, 2009, and signed again Aug 2, 2009.  Welcome to the NFL, Mr. Love, don't bother to unpack your bags.  Jamar may still find a home on the practice squad, but I don't see any Love in the secondary.

Shawn Springs has more experience with Terrell Owens than any corner back in the league, but he's had a tough time staying healthy this preseason at age 34 (by comparison, Deltha O'Neal is 32).  With all of the up and comers, I don't see us getting more than a year or so from him.

Leigh Bodden was neck and neck with Asante Samuel during the 2007 season.  He then went for the money in Detroit, and did about as well as any other Lion last year.  He's a little taller than most corners, and very athletic.  We've only signed him to a one year, put up or shut up, contract, though.  If he's looking to get paid next year, he'll probably have to do it elsewhere (see Ty Law and Asante Samuel).

Darius Butler has had a strong camp and good preseason.  If he develops into a home-grown shut down corner, the loss of Bodden won't matter as much.

Jonathan Wilhite has been seeing wearing red in practice lately.  It's not his best color.  He was a functional corner last year (in the Ellis Hobbs mold), but was really looking good filling in for Springs this preseason.  Hopefully, he stays healthy and hungry.

Terrence Wheatley was like the Millenium Falcon last year, the fastest hunk of junk in the secondary, but this preseason he's been unable to make the jump into hyperspace.  Last year he spent a quarter shutting down Peyton Manning before he broke his wrist.  Terrence already had one rebuilt wrist, and sets off metal detectors as he walks through them.  I had high hopes for him, but it seems he learned his coverage skills from the veteran Deltha O'Neal last year (remember the Chargers game nightmare?).  Mr. Wheatley really looks like he is overplaying his man; trying to do too much.  While that is fixable, he's on the clock and the cuts are coming soon. 

We're starting to get down to crunch time on the final roster.  As we watch the Redskins game, look for who gets playing time on first team (we are closing on the final roster), and who comes in later (the bubble players).  That will give you a good idea who are locks and who are fighting for their jobs.  Watch special teams play.  We have at least 5 guys who may spend time there.

What do YOU think are the guardians of secondary?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UPDATE <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

9-4-2009 - The Patriots have cut third year Safety Roderick Rogers.  He was a long shot anyway.

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this year's defensive backs exponentially better than last year

Ugh! You had to bring up that Chargers game. Forget how the Patriots couldn’t score in the red zone, they couldn’t stop the San Diego from scoring. The Chargers were equal opportunity burners – of Deltha O’Neal, Terrence Wheatley, Mayo and Sanders. (Only watch this lowlight reel if you need something to spoil your appetite.)

Anyway, I only bring that up to showcase how much more confidence I have in this year’s group. Bodden has impressed, but I haven’t seen enough of Springs to make any real judgment. Wheatley has only looked average, which is a shame since he had started to really blossom right before his season-ending injury.

The Tank Williams experiment sadly was a bust before it could even be tested. I like the veterans Sanders and Meriweather a lot. Butler and Chung will both be contributors, and even though they’re rookies, I’m hoping sooner rather than later. McGowan has been a surprise for me so far – he seems to always be around the ball and I’m going to watch him more closely the next two games.

As far as Rogers and Jones go, I’ve barely seen them. Wilhite and Ventrone? The jury is still out. I like them both, but… we’ll see.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 27, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, Rivers burned alot of people that day.

But Deltha O’Neal looked like he had NO IDEA where his guy was. Repeatedly. We were yelling, “He’s right behind you”, as Deltha was looking all over for the guy. It should be like one of those don’t drink and drive commercials where they show you the consequences. It’s the don’t play NFL corner like this video – enough to get you scared straight.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 27, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Painful

Years ago, in between periods of a Bruins game they did a segment called, “how not to warm up a goalie” It was unintentionally hilarious, with the goalie getting bombarded with slapshots from 10 players all at once. Your idea of a reverse-instruction video featuring O’Neal is the same idea, but any rookie watching it would need a retching bucket beside him. Painful.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 27, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forward Motion

Remember when Asante Samuel was a nickel back? Those were the days gents. That was quality and depth. That is where the Pats secondary is moving this year, and while it won’t be immediate it should happen by mid season.

With the trade of Hobbs for two 5th round picks I think it’s clear BB was cleaning house in the secondary. To be fair, I don’t think the front 7 helped the secondary much and this will also change this year. In sticking with the DBs though, here is what I see:

Greater Experience:
It’s not out of line to say that Pats have not had a quality, experienced Corner like Shaun Springs since Ty Law. Of course Shaun is old and there is no telling how often he’ll suit up, but for the 3 young DBs Whil, Wheat & Butler – he’s experience can help tremendously even when he’s on the sidelines. He could also play some free safety this year, he moved back there on passing downs with the skins last year

Better Matchups:
Bodden is playing on a winning team and playing for a contract, no telling how that will translate but at the very least his size creates much better match ups for the Pats vs the Colts (Wayne) Bills (TO) and Chargers (Chambers or Jackson). He consistently matched up 1 on 1 with Ocho a few years back when that Cincy offense was hitting on all cylinders so he’s got experience, good experience against big, skilled WRs.

Greater Depth:
Almost every roster position from the defensive secondary will be held by a quality FA or high draft pick. No more scrap heap FAs like O’Neil or Bryant last year or late round project DBs like Mike Richardson.

SPEED:
The kids can fly. Chung & Butler both returns punts and were skill players in college. They add speed, quickness and pure athletic ability that can help make up for technical mistakes early in the season. Adding these two in with Merriweather, Wheatley and Whilhite and you won’t exactly be stationary back there.

Overall:
The defensive secondary may not be a shutdown group to start this season, but barring injuries they should be legitimately troublesome for teams by about week 8 or 10 at the latest. They have a strong balance of youth and experience and they are finally deep with quality once again.

PS – How would this look on 3rd and long this season:

DTs Seymour & Wilfork
DEs Burgess& Tusky (Tusky = Tusken Raider = Banta Cain. The Tusken Raiders rode on the Banta’s on Tatooine….get it? GET IT? I digress)
LBs Mayo & AT
DBs Bodden, Springs, and Whilhite/Wheatley/Butler/Chung
S Merriweather & Sanders

The Pats could rush any of the first 6 players or Merriweather or the Nickelback du jour
The Pats could drop any of the front 6 back into zones
The Pats could have 2 down, 2 deep and 7 standing at or near the line
There are like 9,127 options from this group.
None of them are good for the offense.

It’s just scary.

by JonnyNYC on Aug 28, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Well thought out, comments, nothing to add. +1

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 28, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice analysis

I’m also encouraged by Leigh Bodden’s comments that Belichick is having the corners re-focus on the physicality of the position – disrupting receivers, etc, that the Pats haven’t shown (or haven’t had the ability to show) in recent years.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 28, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

The "pay for every yard" mentality.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 28, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some cool thoughts here, JonnyNYC

Love the Tatooine reference, lol.

It shows the versatility of our players. AT can play inside as well as outside, so the 2 linebacker set is a good fit. Chung especially is supposedly better in the box than in coverage, so I could see him as part of blitz pressure, playing nickel or dime (now that Tank is gone, we need that). Merriweather and Sanders are shaping up to be a pretty decent safety tandem. Gettin’ stoked.

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by MaPatsFan on Aug 29, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't wait for that to factor into the Colts game

Polian will probably try to make Dbacks stay 10 yards off the line after this season.

by JonnyNYC on Aug 28, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Slater must go.

He just sucks.

Warm up the Duck Boats!!!

by BabeParilli on Aug 29, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

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