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New England Patriots acquire Raiders' DE, Derrick Burgess

For what seems like an eternity, I've been whining about the lack of a pass rushing outside linebacker.  Now, I'm not saying projected starters Adalius Thomas and Pierre Woods can't do the job.  Far from it.  They're extremely good in coverage and sealing up the edges.  But neither of them were "experts" at rushing the passer.  Remember Mike Vrabel in 2007?  He was an animal.  Opposing QB's were always worried because he was in the backfield.  In my mind, teams with a dedicated, single-minded pass rusher make problems for offensive coordinators.  The moment you have to scheme against one guy, the pass rusher, you're in trouble.  That's what good pass rushers do: they create problems for the opposition.

Enter Derrick Burgess.  The idea of Burgess in Foxboro had been floated around when free agency time hit.  Nothing materialized because, in my opinion, Burgess didn't have any leverage to force a trade, or maybe it just takes that long; who knows.  Now that training camp is in full swing and he wasn't showing up, Raiders Head Coach, Tom Cable, decided to cut him loose.  Now, I'm not a fan of players essentially violating the terms of contracts they sign simply because they're unhappy with their situation.  If they're getting treated unfairly, that's one thing.  But, if they simply don't like where they are or aren't getting paid what they think they're worth, too bad.  However, in Burgess's case, playing for the Raiders under owner Al Davis (aka: Skeletor), I'm almost willing to give him a pass:

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Al Davis is a senile, old fool and should've been run out of town a long time ago.  He's ground that franchise into the dirt.  At any rate, this isn't about Skeletor, this is about Burgess joining the Patriots.  Granted, he was a DE on the Raiders, but at 6-2 260 lbs, he's too small to play defensive end in a 3-4 alignment.  He's much better suited to OLB duties which is where he'll muster up.

You can bet he'll be working hard to make an impact.  The Steelers and Patriots sit relatively equal in terms of potential AFC dominance with the Colts in second or third, depending on how you look at it.  Pitt is in good defensive shape, so why not make a move for a winning organization, one that will give a player the best chances of retiring with a ring?  You know that was going through Burgess's mind.

Welcome aboard, Derrick.  We're glad to have you.  What do you think, folks?  Does he supplant either Woods or Thomas or is he brought in during obvious passing situations to rush the passer?

Props to BabeParilli for his FanPost on the subject.  You called it, Babe.

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It was hard to concentrate on the text with that crazy mug staring me in the face.

So our perceived weakness was our lack of a pass rush, which has now been addressed. What are we supposed to complain about now? ;)

by NESilver on Aug 6, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we'll see if our weakness is adressed

i dont know if burgess could contribute on the outside or now. i’d be more worried about our secondary being able t cover elite receivers.

by patriotguy on Aug 7, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

with Randy Moss and Wes Welker

at least our secondary is getting some experience (and some pointers) on how to cover two of the best WRs in the league.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 7, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

and our lb’s and de’’s are getting some reps and practicing pass rushing with arguably the best O-Line in the game.

by patriotguy on Aug 7, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 7, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WElker isnt one of the best WRs league

He’s not in the top 10, best no.3/no.2 definately

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by Patssuck456 on Aug 8, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right, Welker Sucks!

Make sure you tell the coach down there to ignore him and definitely don’t game plan for him. Ignore the Welker. Ingore the Welker. Ignore the Welker.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 8, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welker not in the top 10...hmm...
He’s not in the top 10, best no.3/no.2 definately

Based on what? I’m interested in how you came to this conclusion.

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by MaPatsFan on Aug 8, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true

Prior to joining the Patriots, he had a subpar QB and his receiver peers were mediocre at best. He’d be #3 on other teams because they’re too moronic to know how to use him.

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by MaPatsFan on Aug 9, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

teams that would have him as a #2 or #1

carolina, bengals, lions, raiders, jets, ravens, browns, bears, texans, vikings, titans, falcons, chiefs, seahawks, rams, 49ers, jaguars, and these are just the teams who would LOVE to have welker as a #1 or #2.
welker is VERY tough, VERY quick, and has EXCELLENT hands who is also the top 3 in terms of receptions. he’s the kevin faulk of WR’s, which means he’s an excellent 3rd down specialist who any QB in the LEAGUE can rely on if there needs to be a 1st down.
ANY QB would love to have this guy due to everything i just said. it’s too bad the pats have him though right? because we know talent when we see it!
and by you saying he’s a product of having brady and moss together, how can that be possible if brady missed the ENTIRE last season, and had a qb start, who hasn’t started since high-school, has found Welker as the most reliable option on his team, that knows how to get open and make all the catches? moss wasn’t his go-to-guy, WELKER WAS! Not to mention he was always lighting us up when he was with miami.
so holy s**t , welker is a catching machine, possibly the quickest guy in the game, one of the best 3rd down specialist, SUPERB route runner, great run blocker, and to top it off as being one of THE toughest WR’s to play the game! HOW THE HELL IS HE ISN’T CONSIDERED ONE OF THE TOP 10 WR’S TO YOU????

by patriotguy on Aug 9, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is very good, dont get me wrong but I dont see him being better than:

Randy Moss
Larry Fitzgerald
T.O
Andre Johnson
Chad Johnson(or Ocho Cinco)
Anquan Boldin
Hines Ward
Calvin Johnson
Lee Evans
Marques Colston

Current Phinsider Feud Points: 23

by Patssuck456 on Aug 10, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

welker makes QB's better

which means he’s a great receiver. if he was a #2 next to any of these guys, the qb would go pass-happy all day, and welker would have more receptions(except andre johnson) than any of those guys on your list.
my list is:
Randy Moss
Larry Fitzgerald
Andre Johnson
Steve Smith
T.O
Anquan Boldin
Calvin Johnson
Wes Welker
Hines Ward
Marques Colston

welker is definitely better than hines ward because welker is quicker and makes more receptions.
welker is better than colston because he’s faster, quicker, and makes more receptions.
welker is better than lee evens because he’s a better blocker, better at getting open, he’s tougher and can make more moves in open space.

any qb who has this guy will instantly become his favorite target. like he’s more of a favorite target on our team than moss. only a select few corners can stop welker, which says a lot. a top 10 wr doesn’t just to have to be a #1 WR in the first place. Welker is just a #2 and he can still put up over 1,000 yard and have the second most receptions in the league. Welker is a reason teams can’t JUST focus on randy moss for their gameplan, because welker will destroy your CB if you don’t gameplan against him, and make sure he doesn’t get open. Yet when coaches gameplan against welker, he still burns their secondary!
But that’s fine to have your own opinion. The thing is that us pats fans just LOVE the little guy.

by patriotguy on Aug 10, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welker sure as hell didnt make Lemon or Harrington any better

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one

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by Patssuck456 on Aug 10, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the Cryptkeeper!

I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!

by R_Adragna on Aug 6, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha he’s a great addition to our team. I’ve been getting pretty leery about the age of our defense. But I like this move. Considering our offense is gonna be doing most of the damage, solidifying out D should be our number one priority

by robi s on Aug 6, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOOT WOOT now what do we need?

Thomas and Burgess are the 2 pass rushers now
do we need . . . im not sure what
which is good

by Patsfan4life on Aug 6, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

let hope they stay healthy!

                                    G Solo Ast Total Sack
Adalius Thomas
2006-07 Baltimore 16 64 19 83 11.0
Derrick Burgess
 2006 Oakland 16 43 8 51 11.0

by wdogg72 on Aug 6, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Parameters of the deal

WEEI.com has learned that the Patriots have given up a third-round pick in 2010 and a fifth-round pick in 2011 for Derrick Burgess.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 6, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the props MPF.

But they have been eyeballing this guy for a while. They just needed Davis to get over the Moss thing and sit down and talk. In the end the Pats made the best offer. Philly offered a 3rd and a player. It’s a good trade for both teams. The Raiders need evey draft pick they can get their hands on. The Pats needed a potential top edge rusher.

Let the games begin!

Warm up the Duck Boats!!!

by BabeParilli on Aug 7, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I think my point was the deal wouldn’t get done unless Burgess had leverage, which was staying out of Raiders camp. Probably didn’t come across very well.

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by MaPatsFan on Aug 7, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some Day the Pats are going to miss on a free agent/trade deal

some holdout and/or malcontent isn’t going to buy into the Pats program.

I can only hold out the hope that day is finally here and that Pats will have blown two picks and a solid chunk of change.

You think you notice most everything around you, but in reality you're nearly blind to everything outside of your current focus. Hilarious example.
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by shake n bake on Aug 7, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a gamble, certainly

but like most teams with a solid coach/scouting partnership, it’s about as educated a gamble as it can be.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 7, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Already happened.

Starks, Beisel, Brown.

Warm up the Duck Boats!!!

by BabeParilli on Aug 7, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mostly good

I like the idea of adding a veteran pass rusher. I suspect he will mostly get third-down duties but that is just fine.

But why did the deal happen now and not two months ago? Maybe Burgess’ holdout changed something, but I think it is more likely, that the Patriots have upped their offer to get the deal done – and that might reflect the injuries to Crable and his lack of development. Is he headed for bustville?

by hythlodaeus on Aug 7, 2009 2:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope not in Crable's case

but I agree with the injury factor in general. Trying to find a FA replacement mid-season would be tough, and more likely to be unsatisfactory.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 7, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Raiders reportedly wanted Vollmer and O'Connell

The asking price was pretty stupid back then. Also, the Patriots were making a run at other players during that time as well so there was probably no rush to outbid a team like the Eagles.

by NESilver on Aug 7, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so they wanted a 2nd round pick and 3rd

and both proven to be useful which is better then their picks

by Patsfan4life on Aug 7, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

unless we were desperate

that asking price would have been way too high. Vollmer has been training, learning the terminolgy and playing both left and right tackle since he started camp.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Aug 7, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be insane

Maybe the Raiders just got tired of the whole thing.

It could be me overreacting but I just don’t see any positive vibes about Crable.

by hythlodaeus on Aug 7, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Burgess Improves the Pass Rush

either as a part-time starter or as a 3rd down specialist, I’d say the trade is worth it. My guess is he’s still got plenty left in the tank and the Patriots must agree or they wouldn’t have added him. I’m a little concerned about his history of injuries (with the Eagles as well as recently) but hopefully he’s gotten those out of his system. Does anyone know the terms of his contract—how much he’s getting paid for 2009?

by ProfessorTodd on Aug 7, 2009 8:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not enough in his opinion

last year of a 5 year deal. 2 mil in salary. Though hopefully if he wouldn’t play for the Raiders for 2 mil he won’t play for the Pats for 2 mil.

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by shake n bake on Aug 7, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wishful thinking.

He has gone from the most dysfunctional team in the NFL to the favorites to win it all. He wanted out of Oakland and used the contract as an excuse. He will play and his value when he does hit free agency will me significantly better than if he played for the Raiders this year. No brainer for him.

Warm up the Duck Boats!!!

by BabeParilli on Aug 7, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

now SB in oakland

he does his job here SB next year, BIG MONEY
so yeah hes gonna play his heart out

by Patsfan4life on Aug 7, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind we a few ex-Raiders

They probably know what he’s really about and will pass the message on to Hoodie.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 7, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's like Moss.

Suddenly Moss was putting out 100%. Suddenly Burgess won’t be holding out.

Warm up the Duck Boats!!!

by BabeParilli on Aug 7, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could have well agreed to end the holdout as part of the trade demand. He didn’t ask the Raiders for a better contract. He asked for a trade.

Warm up the Duck Boats!!!

by BabeParilli on Aug 7, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He just wants to win

he isnt getting paid like he should 2 time pro bowler only 5 years 18 mil
but hes gonna get paid soon

by Patsfan4life on Aug 7, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I was a Raider

I’d ask for a trade first, and if I didn’t get it, I’d bite down on the business end of a shotgun.

There are things worse than death, being a Raider is one of them.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 7, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reports are he will practice Sunday.

Warm up the Duck Boats!!!

by BabeParilli on Aug 8, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So many things.....and on a Friday

1. Most of yesterday I was pretty strongly against this move, more in favor of Kevin Carter. I will not deny I’m excited by this move. I feel a bit like John Kerry now. I’m a flippin’ I’m a floppin!

2. I don’t think Burgess needs to move to OLB necessarily. He’s going rush the QB, from the edge but whether he puts and hand down and becomes part of a 4 man line or stands as part of the LB core – I don’t think BB to ask him to take on a full diet of NE OLB positioning. I.E. – he’s not dropping back into coverage.
That would be like getting a Porsche and always going 5 mph under the speed limit.

3. Pats defense is very, VERY dynamic now. Between Burgess and Thomas you’ve got dangerous edge rushers, who will cause for Olines to account for them – which allows for the Dlineman, the safety blitzes, the Mayo/Guyton blitzes to be more effective. We should be seeing a pressure D this year.

4. Risk of this being a 1 year deal I think is pretty good. As noted Burgess has felt underpaid for about 5 years, so it’s unlikely he’ll take less to stay in NE.

5. I mean….how stupid is Oakland. I feel bad for their fans. This deal is a joke.
A 3rd round pick in ’10, okay they wanted that…and a 4th round pick in ’10, SWEET they wanted that too.
Oh…but wait, if – or when – NE re-acquires a 5th round pick, that goes to Oakland instead of the 4th round pick.
How do they wait this long to do a deal like this. If they acted in April they would have at least gotten a pick this year and one next year. Idiots.

by JonnyNYC on Aug 7, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh and the Pats don't need many picks next year

It seems early on like as many as 7 or 8 of the 12 picks this year could make the team.
So giving up picks next year probably got easier for the Pats when they saw how things were developing in camp.

by JonnyNYC on Aug 7, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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