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A mixed message: Vince Wilfork and Adalius Thomas penalties

Props to BabeParilli for "getting me going" with this fanpost.

Guys like Vince Wilfork and Adalius Thomas have a job and their job is to hit people.  In many cases, to to hit people and bring them to the ground.  This also involves getting at the quarterback, especially in Adalius' case.  As an outside linebacker, one of his jobs is to generate QB pressure with a pass rush.  You know, chase down the passer.

I'm all for protecting the passer.  Like kickers, there are moments when these players are EXTREMELY vulnerable to injury.  In certain cases, they would be unable to complete their job AND worry about protecting themselves.  Hence, the league has stepped in and tried to prevent certain defensive instincts or behaviors (kill the guy with the ball) through the use of penalties and fines.  That's what people try to do: develop rules and guidelines so everyone is on the same page.  Unfortunately, those same rules and guidelines are enforced by humans.  More accurately, said humans interpretation of the rules.

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Before we go any further, I had no problem with Bernard Pollard's hit on Tom Brady.  Yes, I had a problem with the outcome but, as the rules stood at the time, his hit was not illegal.  Did he lunge at Brady?  Sure.  Could he have held up a bit and not ended Brady's season?  Sure.  But with Sammy Morris on your back and the stakes as high as they are in an NFL game, you do your job and go after an offensive player.  As painful as this video is to watch, the first part is full speed while the second part is numerous slow motion angles.  The full speed portion gives you an idea of just how fast this game is.


The reason why I went through the Tom Brady hit was to add some context to the Vince Wilfork and Adalius Thomas roughing the passer calls in our season opener against the Buffalo Bills, both of which I believe to be totally bogus for different reasons.  For some more context, here's a cut and past of the NFL rules digest on protecting the passer:

Protection of Passer

  1. By interpretation, a pass begins when the passer -- with possession of ball -- starts to bring his hand forward. If ball strikes ground after this action has begun, play is ruled an incomplete pass. If passer loses control of ball prior to his bringing his hand forward, play is ruled a fumble.
  2. When a passer is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional movement forward of his arm starts a forward pass. If a defensive player contacts the passer or the ball after forward movement begins, and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass is ruled, regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player.
  3. No defensive player may run into a passer of a legal forward pass after the ball has left his hand (15 yards). The Referee must determine whether opponent had a reasonable chance to stop his momentum during an attempt to block the pass or tackle the passer while he still had the ball.
  4. No defensive player who has an unrestricted path to the quarterback may hit him flagrantly in the area of the knee(s) or below when approaching in any direction.
  5. Officials are to blow the play dead as soon as the quarterback is clearly in the grasp and control of any tackler, and his safety is in jeopardy.

Wilfork, with a clear line of site to Bills' quarterback Trent Edwards, simply tackled Edwards.  He put his helmet into Edwards, wrapped his arms around him, and brought him to the ground.  The flag was "supposedly" thrown because the refs felt Wilfork was too low on Edwards.  That is, "The Brady Rule" or point #4 from above.  Wilfork was nowhere near Edwards' knees.  I was there and I watched it on the Jumbotron about a thousand times as well as highlights this past week and countless radio show minutes analyzing it.  Over zealous refereeing?

Now, Adalius Thomas's hit was questionable.  The moment a ref sees a defender swinging the quarterback around and to the ground, he interprets that as throwing the quarterback to the ground.  Edwards just wouldn't go down and, as a defender, you don't want the quarterback on his feet; they can, you know, throw passes.  In hindsight (with the advantage of slow motion), Thomas probably could've "hugged" Edwards to the ground by wrapping his arms around him and falling down.  At full speed, you have little time to think about this stuff, so I don't necessarily fault Thomas for his tackle.

Thomas' hit could've gone either way, but the penalty actually should've been called against the refs.  Point #5 from above, "Officials are to blow the play dead as soon as the quarterback is clearly in the grasp and control of any tackler, and his safety is in jeopardy." clearly outlines the course of action for the referee.  Edwards was in Thomas' control and had no chance of breaking free.  Had they blown the whistle, Thomas would've let go and that would've been it.  This one was on the refs for a late whistle.  Adalius is right to appeal the fine.

It will be interesting to see if the refs settle down.  Just like the players, the beginning of the season is a bit of a shakeout period, a time to learn how to interpret new rules and apply them to live game situations.  Let's hope they hurry up or the league office is going to be darn busy with appeals.

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Were Wilfork's and Thomas' penalties bogus?
Both bogus
330 votes
Both not bogus
33 votes
Wilfork's bogus, AT's not
130 votes
AT's bogus, Wilfork's not
3 votes

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The Wilfork call was ridiculous. That wasn’t even close to roughing. While I echo your sentiments that I don’t necessarily fault Thomas for doing what he did, he very clearly roughed Edwards (though the fine, IMO, is also ridiculous). If there were an option for “Wilfork’s was bogus, Thomas’ wasn’t,” I’d have voted there.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 19, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll have to disagree with you on "very clear"

Clear for me would be Thomas “whipping” Edwards to the ground and I don’t think that’s what happened. Thomas was in control of Edwards. Refs should’ve blown the whistle. IMO, this one is on the refs.

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by MaPatsFan on Sep 19, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As Tim Graham said in his chat, the Thomas call would have been right either way, probably. You can see where it might be called and why people might not want it called.

The Wilfork penalty was bogus. He hit him in the thigh then slid down him or something like that. Completely not the rule as you stated above.

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by MattRichWarren on Sep 19, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this.

I knew the Thomas sack was gonna turn into a penalty the minute Edwards was brought to the ground, but I blame that one on the refs for waiting too long to blow the whistle. Edwards was clearly trying to break free so I can’t fault Thomas for bringing him to the ground. The Wilfork penalty was just atrocious.

by NESilver on Sep 19, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Wilfork’s call was ridiculous – both the penalty and the fine. I was ok with the call on Thomas – he used excessive force IMO – but the fine wasn’t necessary. After all, it was penalized in the game.

by hythlodaeus on Sep 19, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah at best ATs was worthy of the penalty but not the fine

the 15 yard penalty also great helped the Bill on that drive

by Patsfan4life on Sep 19, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Referee's around the league made terrible calls all weekend.......

Whether it was the called back TD of Oakland’s WR Louis Murphy, Al Harris’ pass interference on Earl Bennett(I think it was him), or the Vince Wolfork roughing the passer, oh and the Calvin Johnson TD called back saying he stepped out of bounds on the 4 yard line, this has been the worst officiating I have seen in a long time. I hope they get enrolled in some classes and get reprimanded for their inefficiency at their profession. We will see come this weekend.

Jack of all trades-Master of None.....

by Peter Chung on Sep 19, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I concur with ya.

All year we look at these actions by the umps and say “This smells of another case of rogue referees looking to gain attention to themselves.” Well, it’s safe to say this year doesn’t look to be any different. I believe that if players and coaches are to be held accountable for their actions, then so should the refs.

Beer is good! And stuff!

by R_Adragna on Sep 19, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

In every game I watched this weekend, there were some bad calls. Even the Steelers had a couple of bogus calls against them, and the more conspiracy-minded types regard them as the darlings of the league.

The bogus calls played more than a small role in the Pats-Bills game, and others as well. The close games this past weekend were not the direct result of officiating, but certainly the officiating played some role. I’m hoping it improves this week.

by Nikolai19 on Sep 19, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

happens every time

whenever there is a rule change, or change in emphasis, the season starts out with lots of bad calls regarding that as refs go to the other extreme.
by midseason it should be less extreme.

but there is a serious conflict of interest at work between the job of the LBs & DEs and the overall desire to protect the QB. It is a fast, physical game involving rather large men trying to tackle other fast moving, large men. The can’t stop on a dime, and refs need to provide some latitude that involves some level of intent & the fact that the QB can move, in ways not anticipated by the defender, after the defender commits, which creates the penalty “situation” (ei. QB retreats so a lunge for the shoulders actually hits him low).
but the refs have to make decisions just as fast as the players.
the league, on the other hand, has plenty of time to sort out these issues so fines should be more accurate reflections of reality. These fines were not accurate reflections of reality.

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by cavman on Sep 19, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PHINS BAN ME FROM THEIR BLOG SITE?

Not only was I banned from the blog site I was called a classless Pats fan. They stated I said someone should die? I love how people have so much animosity towards Pats fans and love to twist someone’s words. I never swear or wish harm upon anyone. Joking about the Colts player Bullit was my crime. Some people are so simple minded that the minute someone says anything that doesn’t cater to their needs they get all offensive. I continually stick up for my team on yahoo sites and see disturbing information, but to ban someone who is stating their opinion is a little childish. The funny thing was the gentleman that I was referring to had this screen name: PatsSuckIt’s ok for him to run around SB nation with this screenname, but the minute I call Anthony Gonzalez overrated on a Phins site I get banned? I hope you guys don’t feel the same way about me. I will leave if I have offended.

Jack of all trades-Master of None.....

by Peter Chung on Sep 19, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OH THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE THIS....


You are banned from The Phinsider.

You can browse the blog, but you can’t participate.

Telling members of community to die isn’t cool. You’re a typical classless Patriots fan – have a great day.

Oh yea after I made one comment they put a picture of a spray can that says gets rid of unwanted bloggers… Big Babies.

Jack of all trades-Master of None.....

by Peter Chung on Sep 19, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now I really hate the Dolphins!

Jack of all trades-Master of None.....

by Peter Chung on Sep 19, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the spray can was for a post that was transparent baiting

calling Marvin Harrison a thug and comparing him to Micheal Vick at the end of a series of posts that had all the info to explain exactly why statements like that were baseless.

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 19, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

baiting? what is that? grow up

Jack of all trades-Master of None.....

by Peter Chung on Sep 20, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SAY GOODBYE TO HOLLYWOOD

that’s it pats fans in 7 hours it will be over and YOUR PATSIES will be kneeling before MR. sanchez and company………..the reign is OVER and now you will be EMBARRASSED!!!!!!!!!

by johnl1 on Sep 20, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you're right

in that losing to the Jets by any number is embarrassing. They split the series last year, so we’ll see what happens in November.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 20, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

both penalties garbage

they were both legal hits. AT even was falling backward when he pulled TE down. He didn’t drive him into the ground. total crap.

'A warrior may change his metal, but not his
heart,' as the saying is upon Barsoom." Dejah Thoris

by ba-shiznit on Sep 20, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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