Posanski: "Is Eric Mangini the worst coaching hire ever?"
by jctsai12 on Sep 30, 2009 11:38 AM EDT
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PrintPosting this on a hometown board is too easy, but I can't resist. Joe Posanski has a column up on SI.com about whether or not our "beloved" ex-Patriots' coordinator Mangini is the worst hire the Browns could have made.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/09/29/mangini/index.html?bcnn=yes
I cannot stand what Eric Mangini has done to the Browns, the team of my childhood. I cannot stand the lack of respect he has shown for the team's history, the Mickey Mouse game he plays with quarterbacks, the amazing knack he has for getting his players to not play hard for him or the stupid fines he hands out like he's Principal Vernon from "The Breakfast Club."
Objectively, I'd have to say that there have been far worse hires, even after he elaborates that "worst coaching hire" doesn't necessarily equate to "worst coach." Still, call me bitter, but I can't help but smile reading this column, even as I feel sorry for my friends who root for the Browns.
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The owner is to blame for not doing due diligence.
All the signs were there that Mangina was a putz, but he didn’t look. I feel for the Browns fans, they deserve better.
March on the owners house, fire Mangina, and let’s hope he never gets a job as a sportscaster. That would be too much to bear.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 30, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions
He came right out of the school of Bill Belichick … and that didn’t work THE FIRST TIME in Cleveland. It seems to me that Cleveland is a working-class town and Browns fans want a working-class coach — not some pompous know-it-all who doesn’t feel like he should have to explain to the commoners what he’s doing.
Belichick learned a lot from his time in Cleveland, to say the least. One of the more important things was in how he interacts with players. No one will ever call him “fuzzy” or a “players coach”, but he is respected by his players and you hear that over and over. He listens to players; he cuts them slack when it is due; expects the best efforts out of his team and when he gets it, it affords that player a bit more say in certain things and earns him the respect of the coaching staff. It’s a merit system in the best possible way, that like all NFL teams, still has to operate within the confines of the business, contract and monetary-value end.
When Belichick hired Mangini as the DB coach back in 2000, Belichick had already learned his lesson, having finally worked his way back to a head coaching position. It’s disingenuous for the media to refer to Mangini’s coaching behavior as the direct result of having Belichick as his mentor. Belichick is the first to admit his mistakes in Cleveland (but remember he put a lot of good people in place in that organization, it wasn’t all bad, and things weren’t entirely his fault out there), but in no way did Mangini learn his anti-social, pompous know-it-all tendencies from Belichick.
Remember too, the difference between how Mangini and Josh McDaniels left the Patriots organization. Two assistants, completely different stories. Mangini left for a division rival, secretly tapping current players to join him – which was made worse because he knew the financial situation of the Patriots and how to structure offers so that the Patriots wouldn’t be able to match them. Mangini didn’t want/need/desire a relationship with Belichick, which was shown by his actions, and Belichick shouldn’t be blamed for the disaster Mangini is as a head coach in Cleveland.
McDaniels left with the organizations blessing, he was allowed increased access to Belichick to better learn the intricacies of being a head coach, and had the invaluable use of Belichick as a resource to answer whatever questions he had. McDaniels picked up players cut by the Patriots but didn’t aggressively try to raid the team or the assistant coaching staff.
Keep the faith!
I read that part differently
I thought about the same thing, but I suppose Posanski wasn’t referring to the Belichick era in Cleveland, but to the Browns hiring a former Patriots defensive coordinator, that is: Romeo Crennel.
Yeah, that's what I figured too.
Though Romeo and Bill were fine friends.
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 30, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If the term "felony assault" means anything...
…I think it’s safe to say that Mangini isn’t even the worst coaching hire who is currently a head coach in the NFL.
To be fair, though, the Browns did have a lot of catching up to do to make up for the fact of Al Davis being the Raiders’ owner.
When was the last time Al Davis actually hired a Head Coach?
He just seems to have an endless string of promoted co-ordinators who turn up to work one day and find out they’ve suddenly got a bigger office and a dozen reporters outside, all wanting to know what deity the newly-promoted coach pissed off in order to get punished with the Raiders HC gig.
by Comedic.Sans on Sep 30, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian Billick had a 5 hour interview with the Raiders last year and couldn’t break in. I thought he would be perfect for the Browns or Raiders to get them back to .500. Hey, it’s a start.
Questions one two and three of the interview
AD: “How GREAT is JaMarcus Russel? I mean, I drafted him. Hell, he’s the best ever, isn’t he? You’ll be starting him for every game, right?”
BB’s answer? Five hours was trying to avoid pointing out how a passer rating of 30-somthing isn’t very good at all
I suppose he should be commended
for not picking out defenders to give charity picks to, a la Delhomme. But I thought this guy came in with a rep of being a great scrambler, too? Granted, he’s overweight. But he ought to be able to make plays with his feet, even if he can’t hit the large side of a barn with his arm. Even Vick-of-the-50%-completion-rate moved the chains. Russel doesn’t even look like he’s trying.
by Comedic.Sans on Oct 1, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
why bother trying?
He’s a millionaire already.
"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
And that's why 65%? 75%? of ex-NFL players are bankrupt once they leave.
Signing bonus? Spent. First year contract money? Spent. What, I’ve been cut because I’m injured/I suck? Ruh roh.
wow Belichick's coaching tree sucks doesnt it?
Mangina – Failure
Saban – Pro Failure
Crennel – Failure
Weis – Colege Failure
McDaniels – Lucky SOB.
Current Phinsider Feud Points: 23
back over here again?
I understand. Being 0-3 it must be waaaay too depressing over at the Phinsider right now.
Keep the faith!
That's cool
riding around in that car with the bubble on it, wearing the pointy hat. (It sure beats the dolphin wearing a helmet.)
Now that’s a cool way to go poping around!
Keep the faith!
Hahaha
Oh man. You guys kill me. First a Stormtrooper helmet photoshopped, and now this. Add in Welker being back… better than Christmas. Especially since Christmas is summer here. (Now you all get to guess where I’m from).
You use the English spelling alot
Southern Hemisphere
So Australia, New Zealand or South Africa.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 2, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Aha
Two of those would be grevious insults. So you’re a third correct, and two-thirds abusive. Which is probably the genetic makeup of Rex Ryan. Secret love-child, maybe?
Let's play 3 guesses then.
Does your country have a separate Legislative, Judicial, and Executive capitol?
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 2, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So you live in Wellington or Canberra
Does the largest city in your country sport a famous opera house?
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 2, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, it's got some casino that makes the Seattle Space Needle look small, though
and happens to have 1.5 million people built on about 40 or 50 volcanoes. Because we apparently don’t value lives here. Chyeah.
Final question, then.
Was the majority of the Lord of the Rings trilogy filmed there?
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 2, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed.
The actors were crawling around my city for nigh on 6 years. It was hard to not hit one or another if you merely walked through town. Also made it strange to watch the film and think “I know someone who lives on the other side of that hill.”
Dang, you've got me stumped then. :-)
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 2, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone should introduce Belichick to the rather large pool of rugby players here
He has a field day with players who do a bit of everything – Troy Brown, Wes Welker, Kevin Faulk – and that’s pretty much the skillset you’d expect from rugby players, of both codes. They’re taking punters from the Aussie Rules league; I don’t see why they haven’t really looked at stealing other guys from here.
On a side note: Eric Mangini worked out a couple in training camp a couple of years ago, for the Jets. Don’t want to get trumped by Mangini, do you?
So that's why Mangini had to find a new home! :-)
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 2, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind trying out some rugby players as pass rushers
Those guys are quick and they can hit.
Dude, she just poped your ride!
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 2, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Which coach/player/manager is going to be most in need of a bulletproof Pope-mobile
at the end of the season?
I considered it
but Mangini is practically Tony Soprano. He probably has connections to all the people with firearms in the first place.
oooooooh
you’re right, forgot about that part. Never mind. I didn’t see anything. I didn’t say anything. You don’t think he reads these blogs do you? Maybe his minions do and report to him. damn!
Keep the faith!
O, the powers of the absurd
But not quite as absurd as Favre shenanigans. Almost. But not quite.
by Comedic.Sans on Oct 2, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering the success Belichick has had
Doesn’t that mean that Belichick is even more ridiculously gifted and amazing? He makes co-ordinators look good; when they leave the nest, they crash and burn miserably.
Not that I’d expect an admission of Belichick’s superiority as a coach from a person called “Patssuck456”, but it’d be amusing.
by Comedic.Sans on Oct 1, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
takes one to know one
"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
Weis isnt a good coach but he is okay. His worst two seasons were because Ty Willingham(the worst college football hire) wanted to play golf instead of recruit
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 3, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The Phins site is interesting. They all worship this angry head case that spews everything and anything. They gather around this fat pimple and take turns squeezing him and giggle like school kids when he blows.
That's disturbingly visceral
That really, really puts me off the idea of going to the ’Phins site. Ever.
As a Browns fan, I will say Mangini is the 2nd worst coaching hire. The worst coaching hire was the Bucs firing Gruden and promoting their Defensive Backs coach to HC.
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 3, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions
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