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New England Patriots trade DL Richard Seymour to Oakland Raiders

New England Patriots defensive end Richard Seymour laughs during NFL football training camp at Gillette Stadium in Foxborough, Mass., Wednesday, Aug.5, 2009. (AP Photo/Winslow Townson)

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6 months ago: New England Patriots defensive end Richard Seymour laughs during NFL football training camp at Gillette Stadium in Foxborough, Mass., Wednesday, Aug.5, 2009. (AP Photo/Winslow Townson)

Chock this one up to, "Ya never know."  Like the Mike Vrabel trade, It hurts.  It hurts to see a guy who was a part of all three Super Bowl teams traded away to OaklandRichard Seymour has been digging dirt on the outside of the defensive line since 2001 and he's become a fixture on this team.  However, there is always a good reason for these things to happen.  As fans, we get attached to players.  We wear their jerseys and watch every move they make.  But, in the business of the NFL, they are product.  It's the unfortunate reality.  This team is the most successful team of the decade because of the hard decisions and moves they will make to win.  If you love our winning franchise, you need to accept the harsh reality that comes with it.

It hurts but it makes perfect business sense, and here's why:

  • Last year of his contract, $3.685 million in cap space is freed up
  • Raider's hand us a 2011 first round draft pick
  • The Patriots have been working a 4-3 alignment that may not be a good fit for Seymour; hybrid DE/LB's Derrick Burgess and Tully Banta-Caine fit the 4-3 DE mold
  • Rookie Ron Brace and recently acquired Myron Pryor add significant depth

This, in essence, brings us to a 52 man roster.  What position do we go after?  Add QB depth?  Fire away.

Check out Mike Reiss's analysis.  Props to bforce3 for this fanpost.

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Its a fair trade

The Patriots know how to draft and it saves them money but right now you are without a a stud DE. Brace is promising but unproven, Burgess has never been that impressive IMO.

Current Phinsider Feud Points: 23

by Patssuck456 on Sep 6, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't follow these things very closely....

What’s the deal for 2011? Is there likely to be a new CBA by that time? Is it likely to include a rookie salary cap? Because, if so, that could be a very, very valuable pick.

by Passive Voice on Sep 6, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think a rookie cap is likely

There was a piece this past week that talked about Kraft’s clout with the owners, in terms of negotiating a new CBA. This just adds another reason for Kraft to highly push a rookie cap; I can’t imagine it won’t be a part of the next CBA.

by jmm1776 on Sep 6, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the words "I think" and "likely" are key

No one knows right now and everyone’s flying blind.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 6, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently...

We’ve signed FA guard Kendall Simmons, bringing us back to 53 players.

by NESilver on Sep 6, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hope he's healed
Simmons, 30, was a first-round pick by Pittsburgh in 2002 and he won two rings with the Steelers. He has been a starting guard his entire career when healthy (he missed all of 2004 due to injury) and is coming off Achilles surgery that ended his 2008 season just four games in (he was released by the Steelers in February). He’s played 80 regular-season games, all starts.

I heard achilles injuries were difficult to come back from – more so than knee reconstruction.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 6, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sad to see Richard go...

We did get good compensation for giving him up but I wish we could get something in return that would help us for this year… Also I hope that it’s not a protected pick.

by Mike-Dub on Sep 6, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good trade

I like Seymour a lot but it’s a good trade. His production has clearly been on the decline in recent years—he’s still good, very good…but he is not elite anymore. I didn’t have the sense we were going to be able to re-sign him after this year anyways, so instead of him walking and us getting nothing in return, we get a 1st round draft pick in what will very, very likely be the first draft in NFL history with a fixed wage scale for rookies in place.

And even if there isn’t a rookie wage scale, it’s still a 1st round pick from a pretty bad team that is showing no signs of being able to turn the ship around anytime soon.

by JohnPaul on Sep 6, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seymour is a solid player, but he was never a sack threat from the outside. He collected plenty of tackles (about 50/year), but nothing spectacular you can’t find in other players. A DE/OLB can put up 5 sacks and 50 tackles a year.

by Hardscores on Sep 6, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree with the "sack threat" part.

Seymour was playing in a 2-gap 3-4 defense. His primary responsibility isn’t to rush the passer… and even then he still collected 8 sacks last year. That’s pretty good. It’s different when you’re comparing him to a DE in a 4-3.

by NESilver on Sep 6, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's right

his stats didn’t even tell half the story

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 6, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Bill we trust etc

But this is a crazy news. Getting a firstround pick is excellent but whoever it may be will probably not help much until 2012. Seymour could really have made a difference over those three next seasons. I trust Brady will be at the top that long, but he isn’t getting younger, and shouldn’t we be going all out for a superbowl while he is at the top?

Further, the defensive line was supposed to be the strength of the defense this year. Will that still be the case?

by hythlodaeus on Sep 6, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Richard

I don’t like it at all. You only have so many standouts in life to have on your team. Everything cannot be measured in tackles and sacks, etc. Everything should be measured in Championships. First off, I have been watching this team since I was 7. That would be 39 years ago. I know a little about a losing team with losing mental abilities on the field. Rodney was my second favorite player over the last 5 years, than came Tedy, then Vrabel, then Seymour. So, last check we’ve lost the core of mental abilities and replaced them to some degree with young, not proven mental and physical abilites. Tommy has been #1, and yet he seems fragile now. I don’t get it. MFM P.S. You know another thing I don’t get, I used to sit on those POS bleacher seats for years and even though I live all the way down in NC, I have made it back for a couple of games at the stadium by Kraft, WTF is the deal with the fans. I’m not a loud person at all and I found myself trying to inject life into my section. I know the costs of the tickets adds to the more refined fans or read differently…the less passionate fans but that was a joke to experience.

by TheGoldenBoy on Sep 6, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

too bad about your fan experience at the stadium. I don't understand it.

We have 4 kids and it is just too cost-prohibitive to even think about taking them to a Patriots game. Now that we’re paying two college tuitions, and saving for two more, it’s even less of a possibility. We do the next best thing by watching the games at home together with friends and family. It’s always a party-like celebratory atmosphere and everyone’s together. We get to forget about the world for a while and focus on the game and each other.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 6, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends how you rate Jarvis Green

Seymour was a standout, yes. But is his production a first-round Raider’s pick (think top 10) better than Jarvis Green? Green has filled in well for Seymour when Richard has been injured, and done well. Add to that the rookies, and it seems like a very solid trade. Sorry to see him go and all that, but it also suggests the Pats are keeping Wilfork.

by Comedic.Sans on Sep 6, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny thing about it.....

He’s only got one year left…so if he becomes a FA, couldn’t he sign with the Pats in the 2010 offseason (unless he signs an extension that is…)?

GODZZIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 6, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yes

short answer: yes But really unlikely.

by JohnPaul on Sep 6, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game Day

I moved away from MA when I was all of 23 after graduating from UMASS. I worked at Kodak for a decade and the most fun I can remember were those Sunday’s (once per year) when “the guys” all met a “Rays” house early and we got into his van (usually 5-6 of us) and made the 1hour trek to Orchard Park so that I could see my Patriots play everyone else’s Bills. We didn’t win many of those games as those were the Bills of the 90’s. You know, the ones that went to 4 SB’s and came up shy each and every time (I at least could point that out to them when they gave me crap at the one game we all went to). But, for the tailgating and throwing the football around to being the designated driver as I was the only non-drinker amongst us, I wouldn’t have traded it for the world. They were all my new friends from work and the brothers I never had growing up. Sad to say, Ray was driving that very same Van when he was struck head on by a 18 wheeler (I had moved to Milwaukee 5 months earlier). I flew back to Rochester, NY for the wake. It was tough to see everyone, but it made me remember how many good times we shared with our friend, Ray.

by TheGoldenBoy on Sep 6, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's never just about the team - it's the whole experience

Sorry about your friend, you must have some terrific memories

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 6, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps a wise move

Firstly – it was clear that it was impossible to keep Wilfork and Seymour, so this is an indication Wilfork is being kept (smile, people!).

Further, we know Seymour’s backup, Jarvis Green, is a solid, dependable vet who would’ve already been a starter on pretty much any other team, not to mention he started in Seymour’s (regular) injury breaks without a significant dropoff in production. In other words, it’s not like the Pats are throwing a lamb to the lions, they’re using an already proven and dependable player properly.

Thirdly, the Raiders look like they’re going to be awful. Awful. And that would suggest a top-half of the draft pick at least. Top-10 draft pick? Another Jerod Mayo, anyone? Leverage to move anywhere on the draft board with two first round picks? Sounds fun for draft pundits to work out.

Finally, Seymour has been injury plagued the last few years, and he’s getting older on top of it. You might protest, spit, yell and rant at Belichick, but if he gets injured at any point this year, well… good trade.

by Comedic.Sans on Sep 6, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And that roster spot...

AJ Feeley’s a free agent. That guy killed us on occasion. Belichick likes picking up guys who’ve torched the Pats before (a la Wes Welker). Wouldn’t even need to hand over consideration now, and they were looking at him while still on the Eagle’s roster. Now he’s free…

by Comedic.Sans on Sep 6, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm. Can they negotiate with Feeley anyway?

I’m not sure if they’re precluded by a league rule from talking to him if the roster is full. If they really want a vet backup, it might be last-on, first-off for the roster. Especially if Simmons is injured and/or coming back from a questionable surgery. Might even be leverage on Mankins to sign something within that new chunk of cap room left by Seymour?

by Comedic.Sans on Sep 6, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free Agent

He’s a free agent so I guess they can talk to him and work him out any way they want – but they can’t sign him without dropping someone else.

by hythlodaeus on Sep 7, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heist

This trade is an absolute heist. The NFL really should intervene w/ Davis. He is like a mediocre fantasy football mgr. taking someone on past glories. Seymour is well past his prime. the Pats will convert this likely top 3 pick into 3 solid draft choices.

PS-I love all the Pats haters on these boards. That’s what greatness gets you.

by Mtnlion44 on Sep 6, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Al Davis and the commissioner

I have wondered on occasion what the commissioner’s role would be in the case of a mentally incapacitated owner. Is it an owner’s prerogative to run his team any way he chooses -even if it’s directly into the ground – due to incompetence or whatever? I’m curious if the NFL has any legal safeguards or procedures in place to remove an owner from the league (with compensation of course) when he’s proven he can’t run his team.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Sep 6, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahaha

I had the exact same thought on some other post somewhere here. I think I compared it to Al Davis going absolutely insane and drafting the Jamaican sprint team as DTs, DEs, O-line… which I’m still waiting for. “You can run a sub 4.40 40 sprint? YOU’RE MY NEW QB.” Surely there are some methods of recourse, since the NFL has that profit sharing arrangement. There must be some quid pro quo. I can’t believe they’d let someone run a franchise into oblivion.

by Comedic.Sans on Sep 6, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

This is the line of the day (re: Davis):

“He is like a mediocre fantasy football mgr”

ROFLMAO. So true. Thanks for providing us with a hearty laugh, Mtnlion44!

by JohnPaul on Sep 6, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The NFL Can't Let An Owner Run a Team into the Ground. Can they???

You must have forgotten the late 70’s….We had Mike Haynes, We had Russ Francis, we had the team of the decade and it got taken a part right in front of us……Not to mention the worst officiated game in the history of sports (Oakland Playoff Game in 1977) that started the ball rolling…That game was definitely worse than the Basketball US-Soviet game in 1972 everyone remembers to be worse for some reason. What did Rozelle do the next day? He issued an apology to the Patriots organization. He didn’t allow any of those refs in that game to officiate another Patriots game for what I think turned out to be 15-18 years. O yeah, I almost forgot the great silver and black and Al Davis got their first SB win handed to them by the league. They might let this stuff go on for another 20 years. We can only hope.

by TheGoldenBoy on Sep 6, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

from a colts fan...

i think the cheat made a helluva deal, as seymour is beginning to decline.

i think wilfork is really the lynchpin of that defense. keeping him around has to be priority one.

by saintnixon on Sep 6, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I doubt

Wilfork is in their long term plans. They can franchise him next year for way less than he wants. They drafted Brace with a 2nd rounder to replace him. If he is willing to give the sweet deal they will re-sign him. If not he will be franchised and possibly traded.

The Pats rarely pay top dollar. If he would play for 15% less than the best offer he could expect on the market he probably could get signed.

Warm up the Duck Boats!!!

by BabeParilli on Sep 6, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

with A.J. Feely just being cut by the Eagles theres the Pats rd QB if they really want a 3rd that means they have to move someone off the roster first.

by quimby999 on Sep 6, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhh, let me see....

You’re offering me a #1 in 2011 and it very likely could be a top 10 pick (if not a top 5) for a guy that held out on me when he had a year left on his rookie contract, and is a free agent at the end of this year? And he hasn’t made the Pro Bowl in 2 years or All-Pro in 3?

YES!!!! Give me a pen before whatever drugs you are on wear off!

I’m glad Seymour is gone, and especially glad Oakland threw in the kitchen sink for his greedy a$$. The purgatory of the Raiders couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

You might have guessed he isn’t one of my favorites.

Warm up the Duck Boats!!!

by BabeParilli on Sep 6, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oakland

I’m glad Seymour is gone, and especially glad Oakland threw in the kitchen sink for his greedy a$$. The purgatory of the Raiders couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
I agree let him play head games with Davis. I felt he put out only when he needed to.

by DirtyDog on Sep 6, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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