Recap: Points for Victory
by Richard Hill on Jan 10, 2010 4:55 PM EST
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PrintSo ends the Patriots' season. It was a good year with plenty of room for improvement. Despite this year being the first of a couple rebuilding, we still made the playoffs. In a year where we saw 12 players drafted, we had 8 (Pat Chung, Ron Brace, Darius Butler, Sebastian Vollmer, Brandon Tate, Jake Ingram, Myron Pryor and Julian Edelman) contribute at some point in time during the season. We had unfortunate injuries (Our O-Line all season, our RBs all season and Welker in Week 17) that prevented us from seeing and reaching our true potential. Our offense is getting old and is sure to be revamped in the off season. Our defense is learning and gaining experience.
Unfortunately, with everything combined, we were unable to beat the Ravens and reach the 2nd round of the Playoffs.
See why after the jump...
Here's a summary:
1. Stop Ray Rice
2. Produce in the 2nd Half
3. Find a Welker Substitute
4. Discover a Running Game
5. O-Line
Bonus: Win the Turnover Game
Players to Watch:
1. Julian Edelman
2. Our O-Line
3. Our Secondary
So here's what's happened.
1. Ray Rice. 22 carries, 159 yards, 7.2 average, 2 TDs. No, we did not stop him. No, we did not contain him. No, we did not slow him. After ripping off an 83 yard run to open the game, the tone was set. We never really had a chance. I did say if we slowed Rice, it would force the Ravens to have Flacco make plays. Flacco threw 10 times, 1 of them for a pick. Flacco wasn't needed. Complementing Rice was McGahee who had 20 additional carries for 62 yards a TD. We couldn't stop the run and that's what ended the game for us.
NO
2. 2nd Half Production? One Touchdown. We didn't get it done the entire season and this game was no different. We couldn't get anything going and our vanilla offense had no chance to produce. We need better offensive coaching, plain and simple. Nothing else on this topic.
NO
3. Welker 2.0. Edelman was 6/8 for 44 yards and 2 TDs. 28 Yards returning. That's all we could expect from him. However, no one surrounding him stepped up enough to do anything. mmmmmmm made a good point before the game that Kevin Faulk would be a huge part in this offense. Faulk had 89 total yards. Honestly, Faulk and Edelman were our entire offense. While combined they equaled Welker, no one else was stepping up and that's what Welker does: He makes players around him better.
NO
4. Running Game. 18 carries for 64 yards and 0 TDs. 52 of those yards were from Faulk. Morris, Maroney and Taylor had 4 carries COMBINED for 12 yards. That's inexcusable. Faulk spent a lot of the game trying to fire people up on the sidelines to blank stares and non-reactions. That's tough. Our Running Game needs a makeover in the off season. Badly. Say good-bye to Sammy Morris and Fred Taylor. Who knows about Laurence Maroney. This was tough. They couldn't do anything to take pressure off of Brady. Terrible.
NO
5. Stay Healthy. Springs got knocked out. Edelman was playing with a sore Hamstring. Aiken got taken out. Brady's finger appeared to be affecting him with lame duck passes. Moss was a non-factor. A thing about the health was in order to keep our O-Line standing and keep the Ravens away from Brady. I was hoping a healthy O-Line would give Brady time. Scratch that. A health O-Line did NOTHING against the Ravens.
NO
Bonus: Win the Turnover Game. Ravens won 4-2. Outscored us 20-7 on turnovers. That's just the face value. The Ravens killed 2-3 drives with the turnovers, drives on which the Patriots were doing pretty well. No. Just...no.
NO
I said that if the Ravens won match-ups 1-5, they'd win by a TD. I didn't expect them to win all 5 AND the TO battle. This was just embarrassing.
Players to watch:
1. Julian Edelman: He has a future. He is a fighter, he is a gamer, he is a winner. We NEED to get him more involved in our offense next season as he can be a game changer. Unfortunately, only Kevin Faulk wanted to win as well. Therefore, EdelFaulk couldn't win the game on their own. I give Edelman an A- on the day (2 big drops). Other than those, he did all he was asked for. He was awesome.
Grade: A-
2. Our O-Line. 3 Sacks. 6 tackles for Loss. 3 Interceptions. 3 QB Hits. 1 QB Fumble. Brady had no time in the pocket and our RBs were running into walls. There was constant penetration, even if they didn't get to Brady. Terrible job all around. Our O-Line is getting too old and we need to get them younger.
Grade: D
3. Our Secondary. On pass defense, they were stellar. Flacco was 4/10 for 34 yards and an INT. That's right, they only passed the ball 10 times. However, they were TERRIBLE on run defense. They were missing tackles left and right and were unable to impact the running game. While they did their job against the pass, they were needed to step up and help against the run game. They couldn't.
Grade: B
Fun Facts:
- We had 146 Return Yards. That's over twice as many rushing yards. That's almost as many passing yards. That's the stats of a losing team. I'm not saying it's bad that we had so many return yards, but the fact that we couldn't capitalize shows how poorly our team executed today.
- Tom Brady averaged as many yards per throwing attempt as Kevin did rushing attempt- 3.7 yards/attempt.
- Ray Rice ran for more yards (159) than Tom Brady threw (154)
- The Ravens were 10/16 on 3rd down, or 62.5%. The Patriots were 3/12, or 25%.
- We actually had 1 more offensive play than the Ravens (We had 63, they had 62)
- We had no sacks. Oh, wait. That's not a surprise.
- Both Quarterbacks finished with QB ratings under 50 (10.0 for Flacco, 49.1 for Brady). In comparison, JaMarcus Russel has a 50.0 QB Rating on the season. Jake Delhomme has a 59.4 QB Rating. Bad company.
- The Ravens got 95 yards worth on Interception Returns.
- Ravens Safety Dawan Landry returned a pick 67 yards. Apart from Tom Brady, only 3 Patriots had over 67 TOTAL yards on the day. Darius Butler had 72 yards on kickoff returns. Julian Edelman had 72 total yards (28 on punt return, 44 receiving). Kevin Faulk had 89 total yards (52 rushing, 37 receiving).
- We had more penalties than the Ravens. We had 5 penalties for 41 yards. They had 3 penalties for 15 yards.
- We were 100% in the red zone. The Ravens were 60% in the red zone.
- We gave the Ravens the ball 30 yards away from the end zone four times. That's basically giving them a 50 yard head start FOUR times.
Well thanks for sticking around this season! Hope you stay around during draft season and the off season.
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Wow guys, that one mustve hurt…bad! Ive never seen the Pats look worse in recent memory. Now you guys know the feeling of being manhandled by a team with a superior defense than youve got…you guys made me feel like that alot in the mid 2000s….At least your not gonna hafta here how much better Flacco is than Brady because Bradys D sucked. We had to hear that crap for years about your guys’ good (but inferior) quarterback…I like Brady, but hes not the same since that injury. Hes playing scared. That O line you guys are blaming gave Brady alot of time on quite a few plays, and Tom just missed his mark. Has the injury turned Tom into “Cindy” Brady??? He seemed afraid of contact after a few early hits. That’ll be the way hes played next year. "Hit him early with all out blitzes if neccesary, and he’ll play rattled the rest of the game. Dont get me started on the D (4th and 2 anyone?), or Mr. “I can only run a fly pattern” Moss….You guys need a HUGE offseason to get back in the disscusion…I hope you pull it off. Its become a great rivalry and i will miss it. You can do it guys, remember…i think I can, I think I can, I think I can…..LOL
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The last offseason was pretty good
but rookies are rookies. New players in the Pats system always show up far more in their second year, Meriweather being the obvious recent example. Given how well Vollmer, Edelman, Stanback, Butler and Chung played in patches, it looks like a good haul this season. They’ll have far more consistency next season, so things look pretty good, especially if the next draft gets some depth and youth in a few of those thin positions.
I’m not sure how much is Brady being afraid to take a hit than it was Brady being ‘afraid’ to throw to someone not named Moss, Welker or Faulk. He pushed too many passes to Moss, and he sprayed some pretty poor ones at Welker because he held on too long when a genuine third WR read was needed (but because of the Galloway failure, not there). I imagine Manning would play similarly if he wasn’t able to throw it to Dallas Clark any more – he’d be too worried about being picked to throw it to Garcon or whoever under pressure, and either hold it too long or force it to Wayne.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:09 AM EST up reply actions
We lost two recievers already
Harrison, then Gonzo. Harrison was Peytons comfort guy. Gonzo had earned Peytons trust, then BAM, they’re gone…I still think that injury is in Toms head (and I hate to see it). Against the Ravens he was hearing footsteps that were 15 feet away. I know it’s easy to blame recievers and the O line, and it’s probably sacrelgious to question Brady in Boston, but it’s time to be objective. Tom had a serious injury and sometimes players never play the same after those sort of injuries (ie. Carson Palmer). I like Brady and the rivalry Colts/Pats have become, but unless Brady shakes that injury mentally next season you guys will regret letting Cassel go. Looking forward to beating you guys next year!!! Lol. Good luck Pats fans!
Confucious say "He who dives for loose balls need proper fitting athletic cup!"
I'm not giving Tom a free pass
but I’m also not going to question him solely upon what I saw on TV.
TV picture: Tom holding the ball and defenders approaching. (Downfield shot missing – were receivers open?)
Tom threw into a few tight spots. Results: 3 drops that I saw and 2 picks. Was that all on Tom? Did the receivers run the right routes? Did they adjust to the ball (necessary when the QB has to throw away from coverage)?
In 2007, Tom had 3 solid WR’s in Moss, Welker, and Gaffney. A serviceable fourth in Stallworth.
Moss, Gaffney, and Stallworth were all veteran wide-receivers. Welker switched to wide-receiver from running back, but had caught a lot in college, and had grown into wide receiver in Miami.
This year, he had 2 solids (Moss and Welker – out injured), 1 up-and-coming (Edelman – means he drops the ball occasionally), and a serviceable fourth (special teams ace Aiken).
Moss and Welker are the only professional WR in the bunch. Edelman (and Stanback) are QB(s) turned WR. Aiken (and Slater) were hired for special teams and don’t spend much time in the offensive playbook. Tate is a WR, but was injured and probably not very versed on the playbook.
The problems with the O-line mean that the Tight-Ends don’t run routes very often. When Dallas Clark was shut down, Manning looked lost. If Clark couldn’t run routes because he was blocking all the time, the Colts would have to make up that production somewhere else.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 11, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, I forgot about Morris (RB) lined up as a wide receiver.
Does he know how to get seperation in coverage? Moss was the only guy on the field that has had real training in doing that, and they kept sending him down the field.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 11, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
in 07....i left that stallworth was slightly better than gaffney...
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Good points
I hope you guys get all that worked out so we can continue to have more of those Sunday night, bite your nails all week leading up to it, games. It’s been great the last 5 or 6 years.
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by Wise Master on Jan 12, 2010 12:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's also good for the league.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Harrison left, and Gonzalez got hurt, sure
but he still had a full battery of WRs (Collie, Garcon, Wayne, Dallas Clark [yes, a TE, but he splits wide]) and pass-catching backs in Addai and Brown. He also (more importantly, I think) had consistent, and consistently good, O Co-ordinator playcalling. More to the point, Manning had an O Co-ordinator; Brady really didn’t. There’s a reason Bill O’Brien didn’t get promoted to full O C, and I think 2009-’10 showed why.
Brady’s stats say this was one of his top 3 years, and he was coming off an injury, very thin receiving corps, battered and often hopeless O-line, occasionally questionable RB play, etc. If he had a full chessboard of pieces to play with, he’d look much more comfortable, and play a lot better. Things would click, like they did at times this season (Tennessee, for instance). He’s not washed up, it was just a mediocre season, and a lot of that has to do with change in staffing and roster, injuries, and ageing in the O-line.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
plus manning has had moore for the last 11 years
brady had weis then josh and now sadly o brian
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Good points
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by Wise Master on Jan 12, 2010 12:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
O line= FAIL
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whenver the patriots lose in the playoffs...
its o line fail…
remember the super bowl
no excuses for this game on offense...they just (sadly) chocked big time
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brady had no1 to get the ball to all game. we need more offensive speed. we need a legit receiving TE. good RB another WR and wes healthy. thats my post-xmas list. and i wont talk about defense at this time.
the TE's we have can catch pretty well burt the problemis they are always helping with the blocking
it all starts in the O-line
They aren't being asked to
TEs were primarily blockers under a McDaniels-style offence. The Pats are still running that style – Bill O’Brien inherited it and has been trying to run it ever since he took over the role. They aren’t looking like a consistent receiving threat because they aren’t being called to do it. No pass targets to TEs = no production. Simple as that.
That doesn’t say Watson or Baker aren’t productive; on the contrary, they’re both doing a lot for the team. They just aren’t doing it as pass-catching TEs. They’re doing it as occasional-pass-catchers/blocking TEs/sometime FBs/decoys/run-blockers/pass-protectors.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 10, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
i said this 2-3 weeks ago how the offense was predictable n mundane n had the game plan for 17 weeks
well…i saw the ray lewis interview and he noticed the same thing and went back to the reg season game and learned the audibles TB called out.
no wonder they were always 1 step ahead of the offense all day….who the heck makes the offensive game plan??
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They have one?
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 10, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
They do, and I have a copy of it on the back of this napkin.
You know, though, if the offense was performing, they could tell the defense what play they were running and they wouldn’t be able to stop it. Way too many individual matchups that were lost. Win those, you win the game.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 10, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Especially when you consider the Pats offence
against the game following – Arizona vs. Green Bay. Only one team’s defence could stop the other team’s O, and that was only for the first couple of minutes of the game and in the final 20 seconds of overtime. The rest of it, both offences looked unstoppable. The Pats never, ever looked like a unstoppable rolling machine.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 10, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
lol...good point
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oh, thought he was this year.
we should get either shipley or decker though. they would be nice additions and i wouldn’t be surprised if bb was actually aiming for harvin last year.
BB hasn't drafted a wr in the first round bc he doesn't believe its not worth the money
bc u can get the same talent in the 2nd round and later..hence dieon branch and chad jackson….trust me…the defense is the priority along w. that o line.
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they are not first rounders
they are second rounders.
Big Egg laid.
I saw a lot of unlucky turn overs, an O line that looked ill, and several dropped passes that needed to be held on to.
We knew we needed a better O-Line after 2007...
…except we decided to replace Kaczur. Now, we’re looking at the playoffs and saying the same thing. Yes, Vollmer was a great addition. The fact that we’ve had this issue against good pass rush teams (ie: good playoff teams) and we haven’t done anything shows a lack of future sight. We better have a revamp. I don’t know why we resigned Kaczur. Neal needs to go. Koppen needs to sit down. Light needs to learn RT or sit down. Our O-Line needs help and should be our top priority. Even over our own pass rush.
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kazcur @ rg....i think he played guard in college
need a center and right tackle so voll can take the lt
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Still...
…even if we played RG in college, I don’t believe he’ll be a top RG for the next 4 years. Or even next year. I think we should be using Connolly instead.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 10, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
he does ok w. power moves and gets owned by speed
the only reason they signed him to an extension, that i can think of, was him moving to rg once neal is let go this off season
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I agree with you on the reason for it...
…I just don’t think he’s the best option for it.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 10, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Well that was dreadful
I expected this team to win today and get knocked out by the Chargers next week. My prediction was off by a game. I know one thing is certain, Bill O’Brien is NOT the answer at O-cordinator. Growing pains my ass, McDaniels was not this awful in 2005. Congrats to the Ravens, they look hungry and they were the last team I wanted to play in the wild card. I hope they complete their revenge playoff run.
Fails
O-line and tom brady. They were both off.
Oh, and the playcalling was complete s**t.
I will say one thing about this game...
The Pats losing is bad, but having to watch it in El Salvador with awful football announcers that hate the Patriots was even worse. When the Pats were losing they went off on a rant about how karma is a bitch, I kid you not.
r they american?
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Nope, they were Mexican. It was all in Spanish...
On a side note, all of Spanish media refers to Bill Belichick as “La Monja”… “The hoodie”
at least they got that right
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Well, here is hoping the Pats improve next year
And here is hoping we get a real O-cordinator that can call a decent game.
All I want for the offseason is an O-Line.
Time to cut loose a lot of the fat there. Starting with Light and Kaczur. Keep Vollmer and Mankins, I guess.
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we signed kazcur to an extension...so move him to rg n get a RT so seabass takes LT
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i have a feeling if seabass is the LT next year....
you will be very disaapointed..
but on another note… i just found out the guy is 25 years old.. wWOW
Vollmer was able to keep Brady from getting sacked...
…against the Colts, Jets and Dolphins at LT. I think he’d be great.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 10, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
yeah in small sample sizes
i dont think he can handle a full year of it tho… maybe inn short spurts..
golden tate and dez bryant are 2 great recievers
that the patriots should defeintly pick up in the draft..
they r 1st rounders..bb wont pick em....biggest issue is pass rush
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yeah 2nd rounder
the man has soft hands of steel .. they are incredibly great….. hes my fav college plaayer
he wont draft a wr till the 4th round
but i think he will sign a FA wr
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that would be a good idea...
who are some good choices?
dont know
i rather get a FA wr than a draft WR cause it takes a while for the rookie to learn than a vet WR
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Agreed.
Also, he got a pretty good WR in the 7th round last year…
I expect receivers are some of the most overdrafted guys in the game.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 10, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
chad jackson for ex.
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dez is goin top 10 from what ive heard. golden tate and cj spiller are what i believe necessary additions. maroney watson all leaving. im ignoring the OL. we need a rb. and we need a wr…wes wont be healthy for a while and still with wes healthy we needed a legit 3rd wr.
What good is a RB...
…if there’s no one capable of blocking in front of him?
What good is a WR if the QB has no time to throw him the ball?
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by Richard Hill on Jan 10, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Watson was the best blocker out there today
He cleaned out Ray Lewis when Lewis had already waded through the O-line. How many O-lineman today can say they actually took out a rusher?
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 10, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
seabass?
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Maybe...
But it’s not a good sign when your TE is doing a better job of handling the oncoming pass-rushers than your O-line. Especially not when he’s then asked to go make athletic catches in traffic that look like utter hospital passes. Watson being sandwiched before unfortuantely coughing up that interception was an ugly, ugly pass play, and was not Watson’s fault at all.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 10, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Good question...
As much as I’d like Stephen Jackson (and I do, the guy’s amazing), I don’t know if he’d be worth the value.
While the guy can run very effectively behind some pretty shabby O-lines, there’s a few problems with having a guy like him.
a) all of his value is boom or bust. He gets hit 300+ times a season, and it’s too easy to injure a stud HB and lose a season’s worth of production. It also means a lot of your salary cap is tied up in one potentially injury-prone guy, so your entire season’s success is riding on that one guy (and his knees!). RBBC is cheaper, it’s harder to knock out via injury, and can arguably produce just as much on the ground as having one stud RB.
b) return of value. If the Pats use one or two first rounders on linemen, they could get 10 years of service out of the guys, and then trade them to some other sucker for a first rounder (think: Richard Seymour). First rounder in, 10 years, first rounder out – highly efficient.
However, if they trade first rounders for a HB, they might get three or four seasons of production, at which point the RB turns 30 and nobody wants to trade for him. So they’ll spend one or two first rounders for 3 or 4 seasons of production, and then get nothing at the end of it. It’s just too costly compared to linemen. First rounders to get him in, 3 or 4 years, nothing out. Inefficient in comparison.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 10, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
who is this kid?
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Why is no one blaming Tom Brady?
He had a miserable game.
by Justin_Bobo on Jan 10, 2010 6:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
and when he did
no recievers were open cause we had a rookie reciever and a Injured? lazy? randy moss running routes…
Brady made plenty of horrible throws
…like his bomb to Slater? And his decision to throw it out of the back of the end zone when he EASILY could have scampered in for a score?
And how can you blame anyone but Brady for his first interception? If you are rushed, you don’t throw it to a group of three Ravens just lingering.
I think Brady does deserve some blame
His mechanics seemed off and he made some rookie mistakes. His first INT reminded me of the one he threw against Miami… just bad bad bad decision under pressure
His long balls (20+ yarders) all were wobbly.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 10, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think he got shaken from all the pressure.
I think it was 3 consecutive plays he had unblocked guys in the backfield. As good as Brady is, if he always thinks guys are gonna be around him he’s not the type of QB who can avoid mistakes. Especially if those broken ribs are real.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 10, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
So did Aaron Rodgers
and Rodgers got hit a lot more often than Brady did. Brady didn’t play well, although a lot of it is bad playcalling by Bill O’Brien. What I wonder about Brady isn’t so much the execution problem – a bad call will be a bad call even if you throw the ball perfectly – my real problem is why Brady isn’t stepping up as a senior player/play-caller/captain and changing it. He can’t audible away obviously bad playcalls? Peyton Manning can. That’s why I’m not so impressed with Brady this year; he doesn’t seem to own the offence like I’d hope/expect him to.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 10, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
can;t blame moss
they had ed reed over his top all day…i wouldn’t throw it to him anyways. Also with the way brady’s throws were floating it would a been a huge risk
you can blame moss actually because it doesn't matter if you have the best CB on you and a saftey over top,
and especially when your a vet, you got to play hard and run your routes and moss didn’t do that. idk how many times it looked like moss was just jogging or going 50% but i can tell you he def. not one worthy of an excuse.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
then since he has longer routes, shouldn't they have had him run some slants,
you got to adjust to what is happening. The fact is moss didn’t give full effort and Brady struggled the whole game. much of that was the O line i understand but it cant be only them.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
That's on the O Coordinator, not Moss
Moss runs what he’s called to run. Bill O’Brien experimented with Moss running slants in week 2 or 3 when Welker was out of action; Moss got 112 yards despite playing with a sore back. Then for reasons unknown Moss wasn’t called to run slants again. Go figure.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:11 AM EST up reply actions
Brady had time to throw occasionally
receiver’s had serious trouble getting open and some of Brady’s throws were horrendous. What I couldn’t stand was all the receiver drops and guys not going after Brady’s mis-thrown balls. The Ravens DB’s certainly were.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 10, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
don't forget O-Line.
brady most of the time had at least 2-3 seconds before he could throw it. it got better in the second half, but it still had its issues that game.
Brady had some ducks for sure
The Ravens D had the Patriots offense all confused and shut down
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I definitely put some blame on Brady
In the first period and much of the second, the Raven’s were reading his snap count like he was a high school QB. They consistently hit the line right at the snap, which is why the RBs had like, zero time to pick up the blitz.
People here have been quick to pick on the O-Line – and certainly there were plays where they failed (such as when Suggs beat Light to get around him and cause the fumble on our first play from scrimmage). But Brady deserves a huge chunk of the blame for much of what happened in that first half.
An NFL QB has a lot of responsibilities, and among them are calling out blocking assignments, especially to pick up blitzes and of course, the snap count. The snap count is a tool and is supposed to be used to give your team an advantage. You use it to either catch the defense on the back of their heels or to get them to jump early. The Ravens clearly had Brady extremely well scouted and timed the snap consistently. When a team does that for 5-6 plays in a row, it is basic freakin’ football – CHANGE THE SNAP CADENCE!!! Brady should have gone into and out of a hard count or even used a silent count once in a while to just mix it up and keep them off balance.
Eventually in the second half they stopped consistently timing it so well – but what took us so long to make the adjustment?
And many of Brady’s throws were often just awful. He threw behind his receivers, over his receivers, at the feet of the receivers, …. ugh.
Brady isn’t the only one who played terrible, but he doesn’t get a pass here, either.
You can't really place the blame on one guy I guess
It was all bad… though I also think that Bill O’Brien needs to take more heat. I don’t see how Belichick could possibly promote him to OC after this season.
i hope he is good but not a genius so we dont have to lose another oc in 3-4 years.
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Agreed.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 10, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
draft needs
1st rounder a 3-4 olb
2nd rounder (3 of them) need a RT, OLB and CB
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just curious but maroney and watson are leaving. do u think we need a WR/RB/TE? i think we need a pass rusher too some how
hope they are signed for less money
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I wanted to keep 3 or even 4 TEs before the season
I was overjoyed when they had 4 in camp, especially since they were going without a FB. They certainly could’ve used the extras when the RB and WR corps got thinned out and the TEs got hurt. They were forever trying to cover several spots (blocking TE/FB/5th WR/ KR blocker) with only two guys – Baker and Watson – neither of which were fully healthy for long stretches of the season. Ugh.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 10, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get the offensive playcalling at all.
I love Faulk. Seriously, I’d put him in a cloning tank and pump out 50 of the guy to sell to the highest bidder – I bet every NFL team would want two of him. But what’s with an obvious HB draw for one yard to start off almost every second half offensive series? Ugh. 2nd-and-9 when Brady is misfiring AND chewing down play-clock when the Pats are behind. Ess-Emm-Arr-Tee.
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smrt?
Hah, but yeah. I felt this whole season like we weren’t fully utilizing the talent we have on both sides of the ball. I never felt this terribly though.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 10, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think defensively we ever had much talent aside from mayo. offensively we needed more speed. like a harvin. i really wanted him but that didnt happen.
Playing prevent against the best QBs in the game...
…is not fully utilizing your talent.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 10, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
This wasn't as awful a loss as the 2006 AFC Championship game or Black Sunday
This Pats team was a lot like the 2009 Red Sox; a flawed team lacking in identity and heart. Now, I expected the Pats to at least beat the Ravens but I didn’t see them getting past the Chargers just like I saw the Sox getting past the Angels but losing to the Yankees… both losses were in part by a usually reliable player having a monster of a bad day (Brady and Paplebon). The good news is that at least an old defense is no longer a problem…
" I felt this whole season like we weren’t fully utilizing the talent we have on both sides of the ball."
I mostly feel that way about the offense.
The defense was young and in development. But overall the defense played fine – even great at times this year. The only game where I was truly disappointed in the defense was the Saints game.
The offense though … ugh. So one-dimensional through much of the season. Spurts of real effective play calling would burst on the scene for stretches at a time … and then vanish into the nether.
As bad as that game was
I left feeling mighty encouraged about Edelman. Kid’s a gamer, that’s for sure. That run he had on 4th down that got negated by the block in the back was pure tenacity.
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Bit more speed and power than Welker, yes
I don’t remember the last time Welker had a guy on his back for the last 5 yards of a first-down completion (not counting the penalty that negated it).
Even more impressive considering he was needing sideline physio work after every series, the kid was in pain. I like him even more, now.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 10, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Me too.
I hope he learns to catch better. He had a few where it looked like he was ready to go upfield before he caught the ball. He also had a few jugglers. Work on route running, improve his catching and Tommy can have two security blankets. Add in Faulk, and were should always get first downs.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 10, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
All rookies do that, though, so he gets a 'push' on the drops
Not many rookies carry the offence and score 2 TDs in their first playoff game like that, though. Especially not when they’re nicked up.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 10, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
Welker has his own JUGS machine. Maybe he’ll invite Edelman over for a catching party.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 10, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Edelman played with intensity and looked composed (especially for a rookie)
One bright spot for sure.
Keep the faith!
I was glad with how the defense played after they settled down.
They did everything they could with what they were given.
They let up 7 points on a freak opening play, then an additional 20 due to offensive mistakes giving the Ravens the ball within the 30.
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Defense sucked for about half a quarter.
After that they had stops and turn-overs that the offense pissed away. I can’t really tack this loss on the defense other than to say they should have started the game sooner. I would have been very discouraged playing defense. 3 and out – offense -nothing – interception – offense nothing – defensive stop – offense turnover. Very discouraging.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 10, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
What are the chances
that BB goes outside and brings someone with tons of experience to run the offense?
Mike Martz, anyone?
bb runs the pats like like the NSA...doubt he will do that.
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Yeah...
Hoodie is driven and prideful just like all other great HCs — he didn’t rehire Weis, he wont rehire Crennel, and his pride definitely won’t let him hire at an already established coordinator/head coach.
Going with anyone other than an inside promotion or a virtual unknown would be like admitting weakness or inadequateness…
Or...
…he’d know that he’d be hiring someone who is looking to get up and leave the organization at the first sign of head coaching interest. Which, in my opinion, isn’t a terrible thing. No one in the organization is fit to teach someone how to be an offensive coordinator- that’s why Bill O’Brien didn’t do well. McDaniels was groomed for OC because everyone knew Weis would be a hot ticket after his Super Bowl victories. Mangini was supposed to be groomed to replace Crennel. However, both of them left town extremely early. Too early for the Patriots organization to groom replacements. Pees has done well because Belichick is a defensive mind. No one has been able to step up for the OC position.
I think bringing in someone would be great, even if it’s just a stopping point for them. Bring in someone, they’ll teach someone else, natural promotion.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
That too, no arguement...
….the leaving part. No one hires on to the ruthless-unending-razors-edge that is NFL (and, really, college too) coaching unless they are firm believers in their ability to be THE MAN (head coach). There are exceptions, but they are mainly OCs/DCs who have reached a….advanced age (in NFL terms) before gaining head coach credibility.
So, yeah….Catch 22. I maintain that BB has too much pride to pull a “hire Martz/Fassel as coordinator,” but I’m sure that he is well aware of the drain that the constant Weis/Crennel/Ratbastard/McDaniels/etc…carousel has had on the performance of the team.
The NFL jumps on trends like nobodys business. The league-wide switch to 3-4 defenses, the poaching of “Patriot-type players,” and the continual bleeding of Pats coordinators….it adds up….
I think you made a typo...
…He’s not “Ratbastard”. He’s “Mangina”. I understand the mistake, the keys on the keyboard are so close together.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
but its basically the same thing
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It certainly is
Once a Mangina, always a Ratbastard….
tony soprano should have whacked him for being a rat lol
mangina appeared in that show for 15 seconds
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Nah,
Better to let him die a slow, painful, drawn-out, futile, miserable (completely deservable) death in the Pit of Despair (Cleveland) and then be sacrificed on the Altar of Holmgren.
‘Course, then he’ll probably get the USC gig….
C'mon, send him to the Raiders
Hell, trade him to the Raiders in exchange for JaMarcus Russell. If Ratbastard Mangina Holmgren’s pet toad Mangini doesn’t feel bad enough already, he might feel even worse if he’s considered on a par with Russell. Good riddance.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:19 AM EST up reply actions
But Martz isn't going to be an HC again.
And that’s what I like most about his potential OC candidacy. Right now, he’s black listed; nobody looking for a head coach is even giving him the time of day. It could take 4-5 years as a successful Pats OC to get his name back in contention. In this day and age, keeping a good coordinator for 4-5 years is nearly impossible. I’d love to see it happen.
maybe we should hold on to our coord ( if they become good) till their contracts run out...i'm tired of pple leaving
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I'm usually a "wait-and-see" kind of guy
but O’Brien would have to improve a WHOLE lot to justify keeping him as play caller. His game plans were unimaginative and predictable throughout the season. Whenever something WOULD work and the offense WOULD click, they’d abandon it next drive, quarter or week.
He just seems to lack the basic tools necessary for the job. Unlike with other aspects of this team, I didn’t see one single positive thing to take away from O’Brien’s approach.
Victim of their own success.
Hard to put up consecutive winning seasons/playoff wins/successful campaigns without people wanting to steal your staff. Only way to guarantee you keep your coaches is to lose, realistically.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Unless someone in a position like Holmgren as GM/(secret) HC takes him on as HC
HC without all the HC perks like personnel or gameplans. Marty without the Martyball. Then he might find a spot. Not sure he’d like being under a Holmgren or Parcells GM/football Czar position, but it’s probably better than being unemployed.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
He isn't likeable or endearing, by any stretch of the imagination.
But when he’s put to work doing what he does best – game planning for a high-flying offense – he’s excellent. I think he’s a whiny punk, for the most part, and a terrible HC, but he could be great for this team. AND he’s black listed for HC positions, so we wouldn’t have to worry about more brain drain.
That being said, I don’t think it’s going to happen. I just want to see some of the coaching weight taken off BB so he can go back to Defensive Guru in Residence.
Where is the Sunday night game thread?
The green bay vs arizona game is awesome. Aaron Rodgers is frieken elite.
tom never felt right in the pocket...heck he had more time during black sunday
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Stepping up ?? ... Noooooooo
No only no Pats stepped up in this do-or-die game, several actuall took a couple of steps backward. I am not going to name names, they know who they are.
It is AUAUCG
???...some of your words dont make sense
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You meant AUAUCG ?
…. “as ugly as u can get”
by getthat18now on Jan 10, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
yes it is....worst loss since the sb
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That last SB was only lost by 3 points
And the Patriots were leading with 2 minutes left. Sunday, the Patriots didn’t even show up.
Keep the faith!
Generous grading
If this O-Line was a D, then I guess the passing grade must be a C. I wish college profs many years ago were this generous in giving grades.
i know right
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Well...
…the only grade lower than a D is an F. I couldn’t give them an F because they didn’t cause any injuries, Brady DID get 2 TD passes and Faulk got some minor yardage on the ground.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 10, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I see. You are so nice. Wish you graded my Chemistry paper ...
by getthat18now on Jan 10, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Not exactly ..
Well it was some 20 yrs ago, It was a documentary on the applications of polymers and petroleum by-products in industries, with explanations on why certain polymers won’t melt under intense heat and pressure — something I wish the Pats O-Line would have done. My profs made me rewrite part of it and I missed my flight home.
by getthat18now on Jan 11, 2010 5:08 AM EST up reply actions
Ouch.
My head hurts just reading that. And Chemistry was the only science course in which I performed even remotely decently.
just a bad game overall
No one person or unit to blame, but the whole team just seemed off. Which in the end, I think needs to be put squarely on the shoulders of the coaching staff.
O-line is definitely a glaring weakness now. It’s amazing how quickly they have gone down; only 3-4 years ago they were considered possibly the strongest unit on our team. But no more. Neither the pass blocking nor the run blocking is anywhere approaching playoff caliber anymore. With four picks in the first two rounds in this year’s draft, I wouldn’t be shocked at all to see us use 2 of those 4 picks on O-linemen.
I think the defense did well...
…the Ravens started with the ball 30 yards from a touchdown four times. Erase Ray Rice’s 83 yard run, and he only has 76 yards on 21 carries for a 3.6 average. I know that play still counts, but after that fluke, the entire defense was solid. It was the Patriots Offense that lost the game. The O-Line didn’t help Brady, but when under pressure, Brady made some terrible decisions. He was leading his receivers right into hard hitting safeties, double coverage and no where. I think his finger and his ribs affected him more than we think.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
partially agree @ Brady
Though we have to be honest, bad ribs and bad finger should not impact his decision-making…and THAT is what was his problem on at least some of his throws. Very, very un-Brady-like.
Some of the pressure may have affected his decision making...
…but the injuries definitely affected the execution. A couple of the picks were on wobbling passes (possibly due to his finger) and his hurried nature in the pocket could be due to him not wanted to get hit out of fear of exacerbation of his rib injuries. His finger definitely could have affected his accuracy, which would explain why a lot of his throws were JUST behind or JUST too high. The cold definitely didn’t help his finger.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
yea his fingers could have effected his accuracy but i dont see how it would have effected it any more than any other game
especially than the last few games you played and if the finger was so bad he probably wouldn’t have played as much as he did last week. (what did he say after the game did he mention the injury??)
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
It was much colder than other games which stiffens the joints...
…and factor in the intense pressure (both Brady’s and the O-Lines’ fault), his passes will be rushed and less polished. His bad finger probably made them even less accurate than they could have been.
Brady ignored the injury questions, I’m pretty sure. And I think he was playing against the Texans late in the game just to give him some second half reps- an area of extreme issues for us.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
true the cold stiffens the joints and with a hurt finger would effect the passes even more.
also i was pretty sure that Brady played almost the intire game (i could be wrong)
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
I think they put in Hoyer for the 2 minute drills and the start of the 3rd quarter?
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
It does to some extent
When you’ve got less targets than you’d like (between Galloway being awful, injuries, bad playcalling and bad scheming, pretty much all the time) and a shopping-cart of injuries to the passer, his decision making would’ve been bad. “Can I make this throw” alone might’ve caused him to balk on some of those throws. When he is misfiring and overthrowing, it’d suggest he’s overcompensating by putting too much behind it because he’s not feeling fully capable, not in spite of it.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:27 AM EST up reply actions
i say
1st rd 3-4 olb
2nd round- RT, C and some need like a 3-4 DE
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what about the secondary?
Would you (all) feel comfortable with us going into next year with the current group of safeties and CB’s that we have now?
safeties yes...cb's...if we sign bodden...we are good cause we have springs bodden and bulter and then useless wilhite...i could draft a cb in the 4th
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CB is one of those positions where you can usually find a hidden talent late in the rounds
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Judging by the quality of players available, we’ll go for a RG in the first round since top guard depth is never strong in the draft. Our 3 picks in the 2nd round will probably be OLB, OT and DE, in a vague order like that. There’s much more depth in those positions. I wouldn’t be surprised if we packed our later picks to get at least 1 pick in the 3rd round to pick up a Toby Gerhardt, Mardy Gilyard or a top talent WR/RB.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
since nick signed an extension.
that signaled the end of neal and kazcur moving to RG and vollmer @ rt. which means LT or RT must be addressed.
i rather see kazur @ rg than @ rt.
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I agree with why...
…I just think they’ll draft someone because Kaczur isn’t the answer. The RT position will be answered in the 2nd round with the OT pick.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
thing is nick is a big guy who can't handle the speed...so move him to rg
we can’t cut him cause we get a cap hit. though i do believe we have to get a rt (2nd rd pick) to fill the void cause its should be voll @ LT
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I'm not sure he's physical enough for guard
In fact, he looked less physical at times in pass protection than either Light or Vollmer. He’s not a brawler like Mankins or Neal, and he’s not big, strong or gifted enough to dominate a D lineman like a top-flight guard can do. He’d look like a makeshift guard, which is all he’d be. He’s not big or strong enough to slide inside and become a dominant guard (unlike other Tackle-to-Guard conversions such the Cowboy’s Leonard Davis).
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:33 AM EST up reply actions
I think he's sliding to backup mode
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 11, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
w. a lot of $.
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Highly paid backup who can't play both sides?
Headache. What’s worse is I didn’t like the extension at the time of it happening, and that was before Vollmer proved he is a quality RT candidate. Ugh.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Where is Brady going on vacation this off-season. lol
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
brady and flaco are going fishing in 2 weeks together ...all paid trip by manning...man that guy is so damn generous
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yes he is and since he is getting the biggest contract any QB has ever had he can afford to do so :)
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
i thought eli had the biggest contract?
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mannings contract is up. he will be resigning for something probably in the range of 125-150mil. (thats what has been thought by columnists
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
i thought he always takes the home town discount
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he may but he will make over 100mil. we will see what happen with that. Remember he didn't say anything
it was an outside person guessing and they dont guess and keep in mind home town discounts. also that is probably a 5 or 6 year contract but idk
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
probably at home taking care of his kid
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
what..u dont like my answer?
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sorry i made my comment before yours
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Which? He has two
Although they’re only half-siblings. Boy, wouldn’t want to see the backyard football games in that family, it’d be brutal.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:34 AM EST up reply actions
haha it def. would
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
if both of them become nfl qb's in 20 years....brady brawl would be fun to watch
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Imagine the smack-talk
“My mother’s a supermodel. Yours was only a TV presenter…”
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
i think bridget is hotter than brady's wife
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Probably going to his private island to slay his super model wife.
What is Flacco going to do?
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
stay w. his mom and dad near philly....i kidd u not....he spents his off season living @ home w. dad n mom
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nope flacco will be helping Brady
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
in slaying his model wife ?lol
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yep that or they both die as brady found flacco with her and said (..........) just put in the rest i wont want to be bashed lol
hey i was just reading a players twitter from my team and they called your loss this morning lol as your game was about to start (oh and he has no like in him for the pats lol)
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
Flacco is focusing on next week in the playoffs, not vacations and cologne ads.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
yes projections are lovely though especially since we know these dont really mean anything to the team :)
it will be a great game next week and low scoring probably
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
So who is your picks to win it all now??
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Chargers, if they can get by the Jets.
If not, the Cowboys.
1. Chargers
2. Cowboys
3. Colts
4. Jets
5. Cardinals
6. Saints
7. Vikings
8. Ravens
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
jets over cards what what whattttt
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i could never root for the cowboys, cant stand them they are right above the pats probably. (pats just got players i dont like and a coach i dont like)
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions
How can you not like the Cowboys.
They're America's team.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 11, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
they were Americas team 15 years ago because of some dumb poll. they can no longer actually be Americas team
when before yest. hadn’t won a playoff game since 97
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
That's why I used the SARCASM font.
It allows me to type that stuff without having to cut off my fingers.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 11, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
They're not even Texas's team
Unless we’re conveniently forgetting the existence of the Houston Texans. Bleh. That whole “America’s team” thing annoys me.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Cards > Jets
I still really like Karlos Dansby. Always thought he deserved a Pro Bowl nod, although his stats belie his true value. Glad to see the kid be involved in three turnovers(!!!) in a playoff game, hell of a performance by a linebacker.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:37 AM EST up reply actions
come on hill you know they dont make it past us lol. no i do think we got a great shot to be honest. we are as healthy as we could
expect. everyone who is active is expected to be good to go :)
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
These aren't the teams I'm rooting for, they're the teams I think will win.
I’m ROOTING for:
1. Cardinals – Warner should go out with a bang
2. Chargers – LT deserves a ring
3. Saints – Their city deserves it
4. Cowboys – I like the store of Miles Austin and I like Witten
5. Colts – Manning deserves another one. In reality, the Colts are only so high because I don’t like the below teams.
6. Vikings – If they win, does Favre retire for good?
7. Ravens – Ugh.
8. Jets – Double Ugh.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Warner and Cards versus Chargers and LT
I like the sound of that. I don’t like the chances of a Geriatric Bowl NFC championship, the commentary would be excruciating to hear. “HE’S BROKEN A HIP. GET THE ZIMMER FRAME.” O, the hilarity. [Where’s that sarcasm font?]
Otherwise, I’d like the Saints to get one, although their fans put me off it a bit when the Pats played them. And that whole “who dat?” stuff is cringe-worthy.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
i was for the saints but their 'classly' online fans pissed me off
so go CARDINALS
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i say either colts /chargers vs cards / cowgirls
i want to see kurt go out like john elway
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i do want to see him make it to the superbowl and let that be his going out game. also hope he plays well but doesn't win :)
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
manning kurt slug fest...no d...just pure passing...like the game today
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na it wouldn't be like todays game, look at the game we played earlier this season it would be similar to that i would think
the only change is healthier teams and more experience for our rookies now.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
could be a 45-42 fest...i want a fun sb
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i would rather it not be like that (but as long as we would be winning a superbowl i cant complain)
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
yea warner plans on retiring most likely after this season
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
matt leinart sucks....so this might be ariz's last playoff run for a while
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yes it very well could be cause your right leinart does suck
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
so 06 qb draft class...hyped class ever
vince aint that good.
culter will break favre int record when culter retires
and leinart is a bust
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yep not a single QB from that draft has done anything
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
i changed my mind the 07 draft class was worse i think. there best one is trent edwards who isn't going to be anything now
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
Vince isn't bad
It’s amusing that he’s the best of the lot, after all the “only rushes, bad throwing dynamics, blah blah”. Cutler doesn’t look like a leader (although he can sling it around on odd days). Leinart has looked good at times, but his confidence must be shot after being continually made to look average behind a Hall of Fame guy. Trent Edwards never had a chance.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:40 AM EST up reply actions
Bill's fan here with a quick question.
How in your opinion did Baltimore manage to blow up those WR screens the Patriots like to run so succesfully.
They had their LBs play bump and rush with the WRs...
…and they played more man than zone.
On some, they had LBs bump the WRs at the line and then rush the QB because they knew we weren’t going to be running the ball. When they were screen plays, the LBs were already in the area to make the play.
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by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
You can do some of that when the Pats need to play catch up.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 11, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
I also think Ray Lews et al
took the time to really study the TV versions of the game and get Brady’s audibles down. A legal, if somewhat tedius, method but effective.
Keep the faith!
Also easy to predict, given Bill O'Brien's tendencies for down-and-distance playcalling
It was pedestrian playcalling at best, and surely will (must!) be changed next year. Brady was fed up with it at about week 5 and said so in the Press, if that says anything. O’Brien telegraphed when he was going to HB draw from the shotgun, WR screen, etc by running the same plays from the same game situation all season; the Ravens looked like they studied the tape hard and knew what play O’Brien would call even before Brady did.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
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