Trade Brady while you can
by jaymorey on Jan 10, 2010 8:48 PM EST
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PrintAs a Pats fan and ( of late, former) season ticket holder of over 10 years, I believe that the Patriots front office has allowed themselves to be led astray by this odd notion of showing loyalty to a player---QB Tom Brady. Now what many cannot argue as damaged goods, he has handed more games to the oppostion than ever in his career. Why, one may ask? Simply put, Tom Brady has lost his emotional edge that carried him throughout his career. He needs to be traded…he is damaged goods both physically and mentally (after losing the Super Bowl and now a home playoff game). He has suddenly turned into a sissy, hating any contact; if we don’t scrap him now, we will be saddled for the remainder of his career with mediocrity. We will never have any high draft picks (and I don’t mean first rounders, I mean high picks in each subsequent round where you claim the bulk of your players). Trade him for serious future picks to a team with desperate, poor management (like, say the Browns or the Seahawks or the Rams). Stockpile 2011, 12, and 13, so the future of the team is more stable. The Pats are teetering on the edge of falling apart similar to the Mets—aging, high-priced vets that are injury prone, and with no second-tier replacements to fill in. There needs to be a wholesale change, and a message sent to the remaining players—-those that under-perform will be terminated, no matter who you are. Losing Seymour wasn’t so bad, except that there were no fill-ins on the DL when the injury bug hit (amazing, the Pats always seem to have injuries to specific positions: DL, LB, DB, OL—-always in bunches). I support the trade, but there shouldn’t be any surpises about the lack of back-up’s for Ty Warren and Jarvis Green. So, I implore, say goodbye to Brady, trade him (now that he’s proven "healthy" from his knee injury), and continue building back to what the Pats were known for early on in the 2000’s—-tough, hard-hitting line play with a deep second string and an offense that could dominate time of possession, and thus the tempo of the game. When you control the ball (ie. time and turnovers, you win). I am posting this everywhere I can.
P.S.
The front office needs to stop letting their assistants leave each year for other options. There is no continuity below Bill Belichick; assistants should be held to their contracts they sign as loyalty to the team that gave them a job in the first place. Homegrown talent is vital, both on the field and on the sidelines. You don't allow a player to blossom, and them let him walk with no compensation (see Cassel / Vrabel trade). Why allow your coordinators to do it year after year? Enough; hold your coaches accountable in the same manner that the players are. As a final note, if some coaches lose their jobs over poor play selection (off. coordinator, ehem, ehem), I don't think anyone would be surprised nor disappointed.
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Trade Brady because he only had a great and not extraordinary year coming off a bad injury?
There’s no replacing a guy like Brady, no matter how high the draft picks are. The thing that needs replacing is the O-Line.
You say we’re getting old, when in fact we’re getting young. You say we’ll never have productive drafts when we have 3 2nd round picks next year, and the Raiders’ first round pick in 2011.
We certainly are in something of a rebuilding phase—and getting some good pieces in guys like Vollmer, Mayo, Edelman, etc.—and will be for maybe another year before I expect we’re really contending to win it all. But the one hardest to replace piece of all is the quarterback, and the only time to trade Brady is when we’re positive we have his replacement in line and he’s not playing at the high level he did this year.
USG
Agreed
No need to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Keep what works, trade or release the rest, draft and sign who best fits in where needed.
Everyone on the team talks about how hard the guy works, how he’s an example for everyone there – in early, out late, practicing hard. He needs an improved O-Line, and a better play caller.
Keep the faith!
@ Ben Buchanan
And what after 2011 Ben? That trend of loading up on picks needs to continue. You make the argument for me. And in a rebuilding phase of the OL, why keep an old expensive, rapidly unreliable QB around? Groom now. Cassel managed 11 wins in 08; Hoyer seems to be a quality backup from what we have seen. Brady is never threatened in his position nor pushed by a backup. Why? because they get traded or cut. Seymour got ousted because they had someone behind him (problem ended up, there was no one else behind THEM).
He's not expensive
He’s actually comparatively cheap, because he takes a ‘Pats discount’. He’s a hell of a lot cheaper than, say, Eli Manning, and he’s a lot more effective. His statistics say he’s a lot better than we give him credit for; people are just annoyed that he’s not 2007 Brady. He’s top 5 in all the statistics that matter (yardage, completion rate, TDs, etc). He’s also cheaper than any of the guys he’s competing with for Pro Bowl spots. Oh yeah. Pro Bowls. Where people vote for the best QBs around. He still makes those. Even if you think he’s done, apparently everyone else doesn’t. Why keep an old head on a young team? Because when its guys like Favre, Peyton Manning, Kurt Warner or Tom Brady, they win games. They win playoff games, too. Just not every year.
Put it this way – if you wanted to cut an aging, expensive QB after an unsuccessful year, Warner wouldn’t have gone to the Superbowl last year. Manning would’ve been cut a half-dozen times before he finally won his one. Brett Favre would still be ploughing corn, not defenses. Meh.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 10, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What after 2011? I don't know. That's in 2 year's time.
But I know that in 2009 they had 4 2nd round picks and 2 3rd rounders, and in 2008 they had a 1st, 2nd, and 2 3rd rounders despite losing a pick to spygate.
Bill is well known for trading his picks up for better value next year. We’ve done just fine getting picks when we’ve needed to, and we’ve never traded Brady.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 10, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Ben, life catches up to you eventually
Look, I get the idea of Bill keeping the carousel of draft picks going…bbbbuuuuuutttttt….that will catch up to them at some point. Life won’t continue to give you cherries for a bowl of sh*t (ie. compensation picks, Kansas City, Oakland, etc.). Bill Polian & Tony Dungy managed to get the NFL to ban the defensive scheme the Pats had to beat them time and time again…what have they done to change that?! Adopt the Colts offensive plan? Outscore everyone? When has that really ever worked? Manning was lucky to beat the Bears ( a call or two not in Indy’s favor and…well…you get the idea—-no Lombardi trophy and no Super Bowl MVP for Peyton). Difference is, the Colts have benefitted from losing to the Pats by 1. CHANGING THE RULES TO THEIR BENEFIT, and 2. GETTING TOUGHER!!! Pats better do the same. And it starts with trading Brady and making people work hard for the spot they maintain.
OK lets say you trade brady who would you put there that would bring his production??
oh i know NO ONE
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
don't listen to that troll
This isn’t his team’s site either, obviously, as here we root for the Patriots (even in disaster, lol), and appreciate the efforts of our immensely talented and smart QB (good days and bad.)
Keep the faith!
Your posts are starting to sound a little crazy.
And there’s no reason to think he won’t keep that “carousel” going. He bases it on the very simple idea that people will overpay for average talent when they want to win (or are Al Davis) immediately. Thus a 3rd rounder becomes a 2nd rounder. A high 1st rounder (ala next years Raider pick) becomes a slightly lower 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder. Just because it comes a year later doesn’t actually dilute the value any.
But even if he can’t, your idea nets them maybe maybe 2 1st rounders, or something like that. The problem is that we have to blow one of those on signing an inexperienced QB. And we’ve still got a good chance of ending up with nobody good under center.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 11, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
jaymorey
I agree. Whatever passion he had for the game is gone and doesn’t appear to be coming back.
Enough with the name calling
What are you, 5 years old?! Try reading some other news articles…I’m not the only one saying that Brady’s edge is gone. Some blame the new wife, some blame the poor relationship with the baby-moma, some blame having a baby during the season. Whatever it is, it’s gone. I’m saying, he’ll never get it back. Skill gets him 28TD 15INT per season….yeah great numbers…if you’re, say, Vinnie Testaverde. But when 28-15 only gets you 10 wins and a quick exit, and you’ve been seriously hurt, and you’re aging, believe me, people start to look elsewhere for a change.
Some...as in the Boston Herald Inside Track gossip columnists
I like to get my “news” elsewhere.
Tell me he’s missing or late to practices, opts out of the team’s ‘voluntary’ OTAs, holds out during training camp, makes scenes in the locker room or on the sidelines, and starts public whining to the press – then I’ll listen to you about how “whatever it is, it’s gone” post-mortem on Brady.
Keep the faith!
Who would complain about a 28 TD, 15 Interception season?
Superbowl campaigns have been won on less production than that. Two TDs for every interception, and a 96 passer rating? That’s phenomenal. If someone could guarantee a career of that, every year, that’s a first-round ballot Hall of Fame career.
The only reason you expect better is because of Tom Brady. You’re a fair-weather fan at best, an idiot at worst. “People start looking elsewhere for a change”? Good suggestion. Go jump on a Cardinals bandwagon or something.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest, this thought actually crossed my mind
especially when I wondered just why Brady wasn’t changing obviously bad plays with audibles, when Peyton Manning obviously would. However, from looking around here, I gathered two things – a) Ray Lewis and the vets on the Ravens had a pretty good idea of what Brady could audible into anyway, and b) that Bill O’Brien still drafted whatever playsheet Brady was working off, so whatever options Brady had to audible into were probably as bad as the initial playcall. So maybe it’s not all on Brady’s head, especially when he has so many rookies and young guys out there that he couldn’t make things up on the fly (in particular because Welker isn’t out there). Brady isn’t bad enough to just discard, even for decent trade value. He’s still The Face Of The Patriots.
More to the point, the Pats have only got a rookie undrafted free agent QB as backup, meaning they can’t quite guarantee they’ll be handing it off to someone who can run the offence full-time. Further, Brady probably has 5+ good years left in him, meaning Hoyer has time to become that guy in future, and the Pats have time to find someone who is if Hoyer fails. Brady’s too valuable to the Pats because they can’t quite replace him now.
Finally, what kind of trade value are you expecting? If the Pats dangle him as a trade carrot, and they don’t have an obvious successor, potential tradees will wonder if he’s broken and the Pats aren’t letting on. Also, there’s no guarantee he’ll even have suitors. Donovan McNabb or Kevin Kolb are likely competitors, depending on which the Eagles wish to keep. Who needs a QB at the moment? The Titans don’t; Arizona has two; the Browns have two. There are a lot of bad teams that have got QBs already and a lot of contender teams who have excess. The trading pool has quite a few guys who might compete with Brady for roster slots, and I doubt they’ll want to be paid like Brady will.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Re: who would need a QB
Rams, Raiders, and Browns are all teams coming in with no viable QB, new coaches, new systmes, and bad front offices that would trade the farm for someone with the pedigree of Brady. People will think he’s hurt, yes, but that’s why you take a physical. I’m more worried we as fans are being snowed about his health. Let someone else worry. Mangina has had a relationship with Brady, and Holmgren would love to have a smart QB for once (do not make the mistake of claiming Favre to be on any Mensa lineup). Al Davis is an aging man who has lost his senses…no problem fooling him time and agin. And the Rams, well, they just need a QB, pure and simple. Great runner, don’t have to pass 52 times a game with Jackson around.
Who are the Pats going to have as their QB?
You haven’t answered that. Not once. You’re very, very quick to trade away Brady without one suggestions of his replacement. “There might be someone in the draft” is the weakest possible reason I’ve ever heard given for trading out a Hall of Fame-lock QB.
Who is replacing Brady, hmm?
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 13, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
They might be able to work out a swap for Jamarcus Russel.
I hear he had a good 40 time once before he went on the Extra Value diet.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 13, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
and a great arm...we could throw it up in the air for randy moss
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I've asked him three or four times, but he keeps ignoring it
Seems to be a great way to shut down his blithering. “Who’s replacing Brady?” Maybe LT can come up with a rap about it.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 13, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
He'd probably volunteer for the job.
The guy’s washed up
no mo Bra – dy
I step right in
‘cause I’m L – T.
Don’t wear no skirt
can take a hit
I’ll jus’ run the ball
’cause I throw like shit.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 13, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I always thought LT's passing was cool to watch
He’d drop a shoulder and look like he was about to hit a hole, then suddenly stop, stand up, and flick a pass elsewhere. I distinctly remember seeing a game where the defender he was running near was lining him up, then LT stopped. The defender practically pranced in glee at seeing a stationary target… right up until the point LT threw the ball over his head. Seeing the guy’s face was priceless.
He stopped throwing when the Wildcat got popular; didn’t want to seem trendy, I guess. Would explain the white suit, too.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 13, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Had to find something that rhymed....
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 13, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry I'm not on here all day
I have other things to do than yammer with you 24-7. Let me answer your question with one: what will you do when Brady doesn’t get resigned (he’s up after this season)? Do you really think that Victor Ki—-I mean, Mr. Kraft, is going to give him big money. Brady has said all along that he’ll play for low $$$ if it means they spend the $$$ on other skill players. Problem is, they haven’t done such a great job of that. There are too many issues in the CBA in the next 2 years that need to be cleared up. And before you run off at the mouth about Eli, Peyton, Romo and others who have big extensions, ask yourselves: Are any of the free agents worth a contract for long term, back loaded and full of guarantees when there may be an uncapped year, followed by a stoppage? You run the risk of losing the player for an outrageous offer elsewhere one year, or followed up by a year where it’s possible that he doesn’t play at all (lock-out or strike). try to look at the bigger picture like a business man that Kraft is, rather than the simple fan you are. There’s a lot more at stake than “Who’s replacing Brady”.
in terms of "Business" for this team
this “business” for this team, is to win football games. So they’ll sign brady to whatever he’ll offer(at least that’s the smart thing to do). It’s not like hell get a 100 million contract. But your not saying anything at all from a buisness standpoint, all i heard was “trade brady” and nothing about being from a money standpoint at all from you. And if its brady’s choice to get overpaid when his contract is up, then, depending on what he’s asking, is debatable. But what you posted so much here, was all about trading brady, or getting rid of him for some reason(haven’t read ALL your posts). There is NO WAY they’ll trade a hall-of-fame QB who has a good 3-5 years of great play from him.
Why the dig at Kraft with the Victor Kiam jab?
Kiam was a bad owner and a pig who knew nothing about the business of running an NFL franchise. He was personally responsible for the Lisa Olsen incident blowing up into an uglier affair than it had to be. It served him right when he had to sell, and Patriots Nation (plus the entire NFL) has been all the better without the likes of him owning a team.
I could go on about the ineptness of the man, but it will suffice to say that Victor Kiam doesn’t even belong in the same sentence as Robert Kraft.
Keep the faith!
Not a jab at Kraft, rather...
a jab at Kiam. Wasting $$$ and making mistakes is what he was known for. Quite the opposite of Kraft, whom I think we all hold in the highest regard.
You still haven't answered who you're replacing Brady with
Until you answer that, I can’t take your “trade Brady” nonsense seriously.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 13, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
And he raised questions that weren't even pertinent
What are we going to do when Brady doesn’t re-sign? NAHT GANNA HAPPEN. His logic is that Brady won’t re-sign for an amount the Pats are willing to offer, because they haven’t spent the saved money on skill positions for him.
First, I don’t know if the Pats would put any meaningful cap on what they’d be willing to pay Brady. Second, how have they not provided him with talent? They went out and got Moss AND Welker. Moss is the highest paid receiver in the league, if I’m not mistaken, and they wrapped Welker up for 5 years at a decent price.
Can we just start flagging him?
Waa, I've only got two Pro Bowl receivers
and they got me a Hall of Fame candidate WR in Galloway, but when he turned up he was broken, waa.
Considering Brady started off his career with Brown, Branch and Givens…
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 13, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Galloway was a 40-60 chance that he'd still be good.
that’s why he was signed at a low deal. Moss and Welker we acquired from TRADING our PICKS to get them. Reason why I caps those words is because trading picks is a lot more risky(no matter what round or pick it is) then signing a low 1-year deal with a 38 year old WR. They spent money and draft picks for those guys, who just so happen to be considered the best duo in the league(Moss draws coverage and double teams, and welker can get open with ease. Moss is a deep threat and welker is his perfect compliment).
Trading Cassel for a 2nd rounder...
…was a great move. Huge salary saver.
Offensive Coordinator > Guard > Tackle > DE > OLB > RB > WR > CB
why dont u post this thread using your real ID???
grow some nuts…i hate people who do this
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i want to know besides this genius who voted to trade TB
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This was honestly very well written.
But I think with a better offensive line, Brady would be back to his old self. He isn’t playing like he used to, that is a known fact, but he is still an amazing quarterback. With the right blocking, I think Brady would be back to his old self.
I will admit that your argument does make sense, just not enough sense.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 10, 2010 9:41 PM EST reply actions
and some good 3rd and 4th wr
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id say close to him old self, he just doesn't seem to be him self since the injuries (and they are pilling on). O-line has some to do with that
but not all of it is the line
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
But the line is a very big part of it.
You can’t deny that.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 11, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you
I appreciate the candid response. Objective, even (especially from a Dolphin fan who could bash us these days, but thank you). Maybe it doesn’t make enough sense, but I don’t believe in going forward and not making changes. Brady lost the game to Houston, lost the game to Indy, lost the game to the Jets, and lost the game to Miami even. If he doesn’t throw picks in the end of the game, they probably win two of those four games…and other teams perceptions are different. Instead, everyone feels (and rightfully so) that they can smash the Pats in the face with no recourse—-BECAUSE TOM BRADY CAN’T WIN THE BIG GAME ANYMORE!
Tom Brady can win or lose games all by himself?
I guess they should stop paying the other 52, then.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 5:27 AM EST up reply actions
I just believe that with the correct protection,
Brady can win big. I also think that he won you guys more games than you may have found that he lost them. After coming back from such an injury, I say wait till next year and perhaps you will be in love with him once again.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jan 11, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Trading Brady is absurd. He is 32 years old!! He has stayed healthy most of his career by avoiding getting hit due to what used to be a better line and a quick release, and due to him sitting out last year we got an extra year on his arm. I’m sorry to break it to you guys but Tom will probably never throw 50 tds again, thats why it is an NFL record, they arent broken that often. He will , however, continue to play well. The Pats won Super Bowls by playing defense, running the ball well, and Tom throwing the ball well to a plethora of receivers. The weapons may not have been big names but they were all capable of making plays. Tom was so great because he was able to spread the ball around and find the open man. He’s struggling this year because there is no open man! Yes, Wes led the league in receptions because he is a great player, but also in part because there is no one else for Tom to throw to. Randy doesnt run hard every down, Stanbach, Aikman, Slater? Who are these guys? Why was Greg Lewis cut and Joey Galloway kept? Why did we let Jabar Gafney walk? Tom needs help, not a new home. Give him a couple ppl who can run routes and catch the ball and maybe
50 TD's again?
No one expects 50 TD’s again. What I would like are less INT’s during crunch time, or less fumbles from holding the ball thinking he’s going to make some 75+ yd. bomb to Moss. Seems to me Brady thinks that he should score 50 TD’s a year, and he tries too damn hard to make those impossible plays. 2007 is over…never to be duplicated again. No one will ever have that kind of season…team or individual. Brady needs to learn that. Problem is, he can’t. Shoulda’ done that after he & the sh*t offensive coordinator blew the Indy game
Nobody did expect 50 TDs again.
Everyone expected the same production Brady has always given – mid 20 TDs and low teens interceptions. Guess what? Brady delivered that.
But of course that would mean you can’t complain about what, amazingly enough, was yet another Pro Bowl calibre season. Amazing that you turn up the very second that you get free reign to bitch about Brady’s performance. Stunning, truly.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 5:29 AM EST up reply actions
Statistically, this was the second best year of his career (only to 2007).
You say that Brady needs to learn that he shouldn’t try to score 50 TDs a year, and that he’s trying too damn hard to make plays – yet you also say that he doesn’t care anymore and has lost his edge.
Brady doesn’t dictate whether he goes for the long bomb TD or not, that’s Bill O’Brien. Getting hard hitters – the mentally tough linemen who hang in there and out-physical the other team – is up to Bill Belichick and Nick Caserio.
Keep the faith!
Want to bet that if Tom were throwing those balls away, instead of holding onto them
We’d hear Jay in here talk about how he’s too afraid of getting hit to hold on and make the big play?
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 11, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Not true
If he threw the ball away more, and not throw INT’s, I’d be just fine with that. Then the fact would be he was smart with the ball, didn’t give it away by trying to do too much, and the OL would be under more direct fire for not giving more time. I am amazed at everyone who has responded here, and at how complacent you are at keeping the status quo. Changes need to be made every year, regardless of the fact that they may be unpopular.
Too bad we don't have 5 top-10 draft piOHWAITWEDO
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 11, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
He threw 12 picks. That's average for NFL QBs
And he threw twice as many TDs.
Two TDs to every interception is a Pro Bowl-making season. Which Tom did, unsurprisingly.
Seriously, what are you expecting? His BEST season, he threw 8 picks. He threw 12 this year, plus 3 in the playoff game. You’re being ridiculous.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
3 pics
he threw 3 but 2 of them were drops by pats players… on the fumble he got hit because the line got beat by a 3 man rush and light could’t handle suggs for a couple seconds.
You mean Matt "The Turnstyle" Light.
He was completely fooled on that play.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 13, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Suggs finds another gear in playoff games
The guy was injured in the playoffs last year, and in one of the games (I can’t remember which, sadly) he actually had the bizarre scoresheet entry of 0 tackles and 2 sacks. He was only put in on passing plays and still got two sacks.
I miss having stand-out defenders in playoffs :(
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 13, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, trade Brady!!!1!1!!
Just like the Colts should have traded Manning last year….and the Steelers would be way better off without Roethlisburger….and the Saints were STOOPID to sign up ol’ injury-case Brees….and Warner and Favre, boy they sure are OLD — if I were the GM of their teams I’d be sure to offload them….
The Pats have never been accused of “showing loyalty to a player.” I’ve got two Bledsoe, one Vrabel and one Law jerseys in my closet to prove that point. You say you’ve been a fan for “over 10 years,” I call BS.
Milloy I could’ve taken or left. Vinatieri….do they even make Kicker jerseys?
I do have a Bruschi and a Flutie (throwback), tho….but those two, there was quite a bit of loyalty (more respect, to Flutie) there.
No B.S.
I really don’t care what you think about my tenure as a fan. And again, you’re making the argument for me. The front office hasn’t stayed loyal…to other players. Why start now? We won without Bledsoe, who without him, the Pats never make their first SB (remember him coming into the 2nd half of the Pittsburgh game?). That was Bledsoe’s shining moment as a pro. So who cares if we got rid of him. Someone stepped in while he was hurt and performed better. Guess who else has done that? Guys that filled in for a hurt Milloy, Vrabel, etc, etc.
Bledsoe wasn't the future of the franchise already
His injury just made it a more natural way to insert Brady as the new starter.
Keep the faith!
That's right
And with a career turning to the downside, there’s not much more of a future with Brady. 32 years and counting. He could maybe have what, 5 more years of serviceable play? Get what you can for him now, I say. Why waste the $$$ and the time, and suffer through 9-10 win seasons, battling the (wretched) Jets & Fish? Lots of picks turn into trades up for legitimate prospects, like a QB.
So who is replacing Brady, exactly?
And how are you guaranteeing that the rookie QB you’re so keen to draft is going to get more than the “9-10 win seasons”? Wait, you can’t?
Why keep Brady? Because then Brady can teach Hoyer everything he knows. Or you could trade him, lose all that Hall of Fame-quality knowledge, experience and savvy, and throw a rookie QB to the lions, all the while alienating the fanbase who are loyal to Brady (notice the whole Green Bay vs. Favre thing?). Smart move.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
so trade brady
then what are we going to do?
who is our qb…it takes 2-4 years for the qb to learn the system (hence cassel). just bc we lost in the wildcard game, you want the front office to fire BB and have a fire sale of all the players on the team. it takes a year for a qb to recover from a bad knee injury and he statistically had his 2nd best season of his nfl career.
we WILL have 5 good years w. TB on our team than have a rookie qb.
in 4 years, i agree, we will have to draft a qb in the 1st round to learn the system for 2 years before taking control (like aaron rodgers)
you’r acting like philly fans when it comes to donvan mcnabb.
your’e taking about loyalty…and u want to trade Brady???
its funny how true loyal pat fans here dont agree w. u..NOT ONE!!!!
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McNabb?!
Listen, I wen t to S.U., and I had to suffer with McNabb them. Great guy, decent QB, but NOT a winner. He never won the big game they needed him to. Lost to VA Tech, W. VA and Miami all too often. Remember a receiver named Harrison….yeah he played there too. ANYWAY, I never said anything about dumping BB, and i think you’re right to a point about needing to groom someone. But if you wait for 4-5 years (like Green bay as you stated), then you stand to lose Brady with no compensation (like Favre). And how bitter were those fans?! If they had gotten some draft picks for him, then I don’t think the Cheeseheads would have cared as much. Anyway, it seems to me that the Jets are still playing in the second round with a rookie QB…they didn’t wait for Favre to groom Sanchez.
You are so wrong about Favre.
They were pissed because he didn’t retire as a Packer. If they had traded him, whoever pulled the trigger on that would be run out of town.
And if you trade Brady away, you lose your fanbase
The rules are different for QBs. Belichick said as such last year, when he traded away Seymour. He said something along the lines of “anyone is trade-able at the right price. Except for Brady.”
Here comes a rant about how Belichick has lost it… Oh goody.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 13, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you keep saying that?
Who has said anything about BB? And that’s last season’s quote about Brady. This year could bring something entirely different.
You still avoid saying WHO will replace him, and the truth is you don't have any idea
This season’s BB quotes about Brady have been all positiveabout the guy’s leadership, work ethic, talent and intelligence. It doesn’t seem likely that those quotes and assessments will change.
When you bring up losing Brady without compensation and having the fans bitter like GB ws with Favre, that would be the equivalent of Brady ceremoniously and tearfully retiring from the Patriots and then talking with every media member across the country about how it’s always been his dream to play for the Jets. Not a good example at all.
Brian Hoyer may someday be “the guy” but he’s not there yet. He’d have to be if Brady went down again with another injury, but it wouldn’t be ideal.
Keep the faith!
Correct. Brady is almost impossible to replace, so they won't.
Simple as that. The fact that jaymorey can’t even hazard a guess as to how to replace Brady explains exactly why the Pats won’t trade him away.
Brady is irreplacable, so they won’t. Simple.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 13, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Because Hall of Fame QBs don't come with the rain.
Any more stupid comments you’d wish to make?
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
he is demented
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Buckeye dunce
Not demented, just logical. Business is business. That’s how the Pats got to where they were. Time to return to it.
Logic = trade Pro Bowler for... umm...
You haven’t even said who you’re trading him to. Or what for. Or who you’re replacing him with. And who will be the head of the offence. Or new face of the team. In fact, you’ve said almost nothing beyond inflammatory stupidity.
LIke I said at the very top; the idea of trading Brady did cross my mind. But it exited it just as quickly. You might be able to replace Brady with a draftee, but the chances of that are absolutely minimal. It’s ludicrous to trade away a proven commodity for a chance of a rookie being okay. It’s ludicrous to trade away a 32 year old QB when he just had a Pro Bowl season. It’s ludicrous to ‘blame’ Brady for a season that resulted in a divisional championship.
Finally: it’s ludicrous to condemn Brady for not winning playoff games BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON YOU EXPECT THE PATRIOTS TO WIN THEM IS BECAUSE OF BRADY. Seriously. That’s just stupid.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 5:34 AM EST up reply actions
You know what this reminds me of?
Step 1: Steal underwear.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit.
underpants Gnomes?
good one…someone with a sense of humor.
Re-read the post , bro
I believe I name three teams to whom Brady could be sent to (in exile)—-raiders, Browns, Rams. And don’t get too excited about the Pro Bowl…that stuff means nothing. Being selected All-Pro at the end of the year is what counts…and Peyton unfortunately dominates that award nearly every year. And it’snot that i expect Brady to win the games…IT"S THAT I EXPECT HIM NOT TO LOSE THEM BY POOR PLAY AND POOR DECISION MAKING!!!
Good, then, because for the most part, he doesn't.
And how on earth is All-Pro what counts? What counts is having a really damn good quarterback that we won’t be able to replace no matter how many damn draft picks we get.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 11, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
So... this isn't about good team strategy for the Pats
it’s about punishing Brady and putting him “in exile.” Yeah, that’s what the fans want.
Keep the faith!
So he obviously doesn't win games, despite getting the divisional championship?
Ess-Emm-Arr-Tee.
Why don’t you go to the Giants site and tell them how they should trade Eli Manning? He’s getting paid more than Tom, threw more picks, and lost more games. Maybe they will want to trade him to the Browns, Rams or Raiders.
You’re not even gifted at being a troll.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
READ THE POST
Not for who, Tunalicker, for what. Picks that replenish the system. Like the Pats have always done (Brady in the 7th…Edelman in the 7th…troy Brown, etc.)
brady was selected in the 6th round
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Can you guarantee another Brady in the 7th round?
If you can beyond a shadow of a doubt guarantee that not only will the Pats draft a QB in the 7th, but that that QB will go on to win Superbowls, Pro Bowl nods, league MVPs, and be a Hall of Fame first-round ballot lock, by all means, trade away.
Wait, you can’t? Shut up, then.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 5:36 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
No one ever saw a 6th round pick from Michigan as being the “savoir” back then either, did they? You’re making the argument for me, but you’re not agreeing with it in principal
What on earth are you suggesting RE: a replacement quarterback?
You still haven’t made it clear AT ALL.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 11, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
At the moment your 'argument' is... "trade Brady"
With the caveat of “I don’t care who the Pats trade Brady to, I don’t care what the Pats trade Brady for, I don’t know who the Pats will replace Brady with and I don’t really care, change change, lizard banana goldfish”.
Smart.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
If all you want is a bunch of 6th and 7th round picks, the Pats can probably buy them for pennies.
The problem is that there’s no way we’re ever getting a legitimate quarterback in the 6th round again. Brady was the exception. 6th and 7th round picks will very rarely do anything. And while 2nd and 3rd round picks are where you find your depth, it takes a LOT to replace a good QB, much less a Tom Brady, who had one of the best years of any of the QBs last year, despite your nay saying.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 11, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
That's what I mean, Ben
Exactly right Ben.
What is what you mean?
That wasn’t really a single declarative statement I made up there.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 11, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Fine, I'll pretend you're not a troll and actually treat you like you know what you're talking about.
Who are you replacing Brady with?
Will he take less money than Brady?
Will he put up better stats than Brady?
Will he win more games than Brady?
Will he do better next year than Brady will, guaranteed?
Will he add more value to the team by being drafted than some other player would have, without trading Brady?
Will Brady cause more damage against the Pats by being on another team?
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Easy;
Hoyer
Yes
N/A
Brady’s a program Quarterback, Hoyer can do it
N/A
Already Drafted!
Drew Bledsoe/Matt Cassel.
just kidding.
Offensive Coordinator > Guard > Tackle > DE > OLB > RB > WR > CB
by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, trade me Lewis and Reed plus a 2 and 4 you idiot. The teach the younger guys how to play with balls, and then they’re cut by training camp the following year for salary reasons at ages 36 for a LB and 34 for a DB. Fill those spots with the guys that you just got in the 2nd and 4th round you just gave me. Don’t you get what I am talking about?!
Well....
I get what you are talking ’bout (Willis). I just think you are way off base. And more emotional than my last two girlfriends (yeah, yeah, imaginary, I know how internet arguments go).
Let me state again; “The Pats have never been accused of "showing loyalty to a player." I’ve got two Bledsoe, one Vrabel and one Law jerseys in my closet to prove that point. You say you’ve been a fan for "over 10 years," I call BS.”
Personally, I would not take Lewis; he was found innocent in a court of law and I do not begrudge him a life and career, but I do not want him on my team. Reed, I would take in a heartbeat.
Furthermore, the “36-yr old LB” hardly played; I would argue (as others already have) that he was around almost solely for mentoring purposes. Springs, I thought it was widely claimed that he was signed just a a positional player to offset Owens on the Bills….that he logged more time due to the learning curves of Wilhite/Wheatley is not necessarily a negative, is it??
@ aja_nyc
True, I wouldn’t want Lewis, but business sense shows that you would have to take on a contract to offset the Brady numbers. And Brady’s contract has been re-negotiated a lot over the past few years. Eventually, the Pats have to pay, or lose him by cutting him in training camp, thus receiving NOTHING for him when he signs elsewhere.
Brady's contract has always been re-jigged to give the Pats leverage to sign other players
and Brady is operating at a discount for playing in NE. He’s by far the cheapest franchise QB, and he’s getting better production for less pay than half of the starting QBs. Can you guarantee whoever will replace him will take less pay and put out better production? Didn’t think so.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
This
There’s no reason to expect the Patriots will lose Brady at all before he’s ineffective.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 11, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
DAMN i couldn't even read past the first few sentences, this is complete bull from a fan overeacting to a game in which
the team did horrible. Brady did very bad but it wasn’t all his fault, and i cant believe this ignorance is coming from a pats fan id expect this “trade Brady” to have been written by some troll trying to get a reaction. Don’t be dumb you dont trade the second Best (first if you want to think so) QB in the NFL because of one horrible game your team had, that is suicide.
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wow and 10 people said yes on the poll, i couldn't even do that and i don't like brady much, and it would help us if he was gone
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Trolls from other teams. Wouldn't put too much weight in this poll.
Offensive Coordinator > Guard > Tackle > DE > OLB > RB > WR > CB
by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
yea very true but some of your fans agree with this dude
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
i doubt it.
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i saw one or two other people that agreed (they could just be bad at being sarcastic though)
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
who comedic sans...he was being sarcastic
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no not him there was another guy nepfan. he didn't say trade him but basically said he didn't have "IT" anymore.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
oh...he is another one of them that escaped the short bus today
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Nepfan
joined today. Never seen him before, yet they both turn up today and say the same things and then agree to each other’s posts. Fishy?
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 5:39 AM EST up reply actions
could mabye be the same guy
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
na SMP found out one of them is on the west coast and the other from the east coast
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Funny coincidence, though
And Pats fans on the west coast? That’s new. Especially with people suggesting Brady be traded to Oakland. Heh.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
he would still make less money than jamarus russel
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The only other person to 'agree' with him
also joined today. Coincidence?
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
well...could be fans from other teams who voted for that
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That's a shock
Of course a Colts fan (why are you here?) wouldn’t want to trade the player that blows games to them every year now.
because they're intelligent
and can discuss things. Not throw out a bomb (that fell short) about trading Brady.
Keep the faith!
Yeah, all 1 of those games in a row that Brady has lost to the Colts.
Where he totally only managed to put up 7—no, wait, only 14—wait, only 17—you’re telling me he put up 34 points by throwing for 375 yards against a team that gave up, on average, only 12?
What a choke job, you loser! Go show some heart for the game in Tampa while we bathe in a couple glorious 1st rounders that will never, ever come close to matching your output!
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 11, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yea he hasn't done that every game this has been a great rivalry.
Also if you traded Brady the franchise would take a big dip which it would take very long (4-5years) to climb out of probably. I dont think any fan wants to trade Brady if it means not being sucessfull at all.
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Hope you wrote your comments like this
on SB.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Jan 11, 2010 5:46 AM EST up reply actions
Quite possibly the greatest title of a fanpost I have seen all season. Glad that the Ravens were able to make you this delirious.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Delirium?
Could be a bit. But tell us honestly that Tom Brady scared the Ravens? Or the Colts? Or the Broncos even? Look how they ended this year. but they still beat and beat up Tom Brady. And yes, the OL sucked, the playcalling has sucked repeatedly this year, and the D was inconsistent. But Brady throws too many to the other team when it counts this year, and it cost them. Go read some other blogs, or sportswriters about this game. They’re saying the same thing.
Obvious troll is obvious
The guy turns up today and spouts ridiculous tripe about trading away Brady and/or firing Belichick and/or putting plastic explosive onto a busload of nuns.
Brady played like crap. But one game doesn’t undo a Hall of Fame career, nor does it ‘prove’ he’s a bust in a Pro Bowl quality season. His QB rating is 96 or so; that’s slightly above his entire career average. In other words, he actually did better this season than he has overall. In fact, he actually did better this season than Peyton Manning’s career overall rating. Shrug.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 5:43 AM EST up reply actions
So what?!
So he pads big numbers against the Titans (are they in the playoffs?), the Jags (ditto), the Bucs (ditto),…..shall I keep going? What did he do against the teams he lost to? Well, here you go:
Ravens 1/10
New England Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
T. Brady 23 42 154 54.8 3.7 3 22 2 3 49.1
Houston 1/2
New England Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
T. Brady 23 42 154 54.8 3.7 3 22 2 3 49.1
Miami 12/6
New England Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
T. Brady 19 29 352 65.5 12.1 0 0 2 2 101.5
great rating, but two picks in the 4th quarter, including one to end the game
New Orleans 11/30
New England Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
T. Brady 21 36 237 58.3 6.6 1 4 0 2 55.0
Indy 11/15
New England Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
T. Brady 29 42 375 69.0 8.9 2 11 3 1 110.7
OK, good numbers, if not for a 4th and 2, oh, and a pick that led to a TD and…(and this is an AP quote from By MICHAEL MAROT, AP Sports Writer)…
“The difference in this classic was that Brady dominated early, Manning when it mattered most.”
Hmmmm….lets continue.
Denver 10/11
New England Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
T. Brady 19 33 215 57.6 6.5 1 6 2 0 97.4
****better, no picks in this one, but still a bad completion percentage.
and last , but certainly not the least..
Jets 9/20
New England Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
T. Brady 23 47 216 48.9 4.6 0 0 0 1 53.1
***yeah, yeah, no Welker, but he played in the other losses and didn’t fare so well.
So, you see, the numbers don’t lie. In actuality, they tend to blur just how poorly he played at times. Times when it mattered against quality opponents. Those are 4 playoff teams, and two that just missed (remember, Denver was rolling over people at that point in the season).
Boy, sure looks to me like Tom played very well 12 out of 17 games.
His best year? No. A very good year? Yes.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 11, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
But Ben...
A good year when playing real bad teams, man. That’s what I don’t understand—-why doesn’t anyone else see that.
We had a very difficult strength of schedule.
Brady played well against:
Altanta (9-7) (2-0)
Baltimore (9-7) (3-0)
Denver (8-8) (4-0)
Indy (14-2) (7-0)
He played poorly against some good teams, too, yes. But good teams are good teams for a reason.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 11, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Especially the best pass defenses
Even the hapless Bills were in the top-five for pass defense according to Football Outsiders.
Brady is SO skilled he had the same stats against the Ravens as he did against the Texans!
Offensive Coordinator > Guard > Tackle > DE > OLB > RB > WR > CB
by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
All by himself?
I don’t know why they’re paying the other 52 players, Dean Pees, Bill O’Brien, Bill Belichick, et al. And if he can lose it all by himself, I don’t know why the Ravens or Texans decided to put players on the field. They don’t have to, you know. If Brady is so determined to lose games all by himself they could all sit in deck-chairs sipping pina coladas watching Brady race into his own endzone scoring safeties for the opposition.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
I was pointing out that you copy and pasted the same game twice.
Offensive Coordinator > Guard > Tackle > DE > OLB > RB > WR > CB
by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
So Brady's responsible for (bad) playcalling, too?
I wonder why they pay that Bill O’Brien guy if Brady is calling the shots, too?
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
My humble opinion
as a Colts fan, is that I would keep Brady. I don’t like him, but I respect him on the field and, hands down, he is one the greatest of all time. I understand and respect that you’re angry about the loss today jaymorey, but to say that he can’t win the big anymore is a little unfair. He lost the Super Bowl and this game sure, tough defeats, but it ain’t right to take just this 2 TEAM losses and blame Brady for ‘em. In both games, the O-Line was horrendous and although he wasn’t extraordinary either, you can’t just put into him. Besides, overcoming a knee injury ain’t easy so, he did pretty well even with that kind of stuff.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
It's very much like Manning having a few bad performances in previous AFC playoff games
It happens. In fact, it happens fairly regularly to guys who make the playoffs every year – Brady, Manning, etc. Because they’re horrible? No. Because they get their teams to knockout games. Last time I checked, that was a badge of honour.
I’d rather have Brady have an off game in a playoff game than not make the playoffs at all. Maybe it’s just me. Maybe it’s not. But I’d bet a whole lot of Tennessee fans would trade 300 or 400 of Chris Johnson’s individual rushing yardage for a playoff spot.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 11, 2010 6:01 AM EST up reply actions
that's what I was just thinking
Manning has gone one-and-done in the playoffs more than once – if jaymorey or nepfan were Colts’ fans, would they be singing the same tune? Ridiculous.
Keep the faith!
I hate to say this... but
… reading this whole fanpost and yesterday’s “Open game thread” is music to my ears. The reason is not that Patriots lost the game… No… the reason is Your reaction to Patriots loss. Your reaction is disgusting. You guys can’t take a hit.
90 % of Patriots fans in this board are acting like spoiled babies or band vagon fans. What gives? So if your team fails a bit, the World is over for you guys? And you have to bash your QB, your coaches, your players…
You have to be ashamed of yourselves. You guys are a team of this Decade! Patriots of 2000s will be forever remembered as the Greats like Steelers of the 1970’s, 49ers of the 1980s and Cowboys of the 1990s…
Repeat after me: " Patriots are Team of the Decade! We won 3 Superbowls in this Decade. It is ok sometimes to lose in playoffs. "
Now, deeply inhale and exhale and say:
We’ll try next year a bit harder.
Are you feeling better?
Good luck in 2010 season! I mean it.
P.S. If you want to reply and use offensive words in your reply, please with sugar on top reread my post. I didn’t use any personal offensive speech.
Again, Good luck next year!
In Fact, take a page from us Steelers fans who this week cheered for our rivals Ravens and next week cheer for JETS. Because fans should care about their Division too. As long as your team is out of it, you can cheer for your division.
One has to care about the Integrity of the Team and NFL as a whole!
by Bonek on Jan 11, 2010 8:13 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Thank you for your contribution. Rec'd.
Sometimes people have trouble seeing the forest for the trees.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 11, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
What are you talking about with 90%?
Most of us have Bill and Brady’s backs. We understand you lose games. The only guys who deserve bashing are the O-Line (See: Kaczur, Nick) because they’ve legitimately been crap since XLII.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 11, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
What kind of logic is that?
Cheer for the Jets? Do Red Sox fans cheer for the Yankees? EVER??? Mind you, I am neither a Sox nor Yankee fan, so I say this objectively. You never, ever root for your bitter rivals.
Everyone is ...
… entitled to have their opinion. There are AFC and NFC teams. There are 8 divisions in NFL. As a Steelers fan, (when my team is already out of playoffs) I’ll root for my division teams and when they win I’m very glad. As it shows everyone that AFC North is a Strong Division and it is tough to win games there.
Currently people don’t care about Arizona’s accomplishments as they play in cakewalk division where only Cards have a winning season this year. Just a little something to think about.
I usually cheer for the division once we're out (can't cheer for the Jets though without cutting out my tongue)
Then I cheer for the conference.
Same reasoning. They play us, so we make them strong. In the end, you’d like to either hold the Lombardi or say that you got beaten by the best.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Hey SMP.
They play us, so we make them strong. In the end, you’d like to either hold the Lombardi or say that you got beaten by the best.
Spoken like a true fan of the game.
Prost!
"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin
I'm a fan of football first.
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The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
And no need for foul language at all, I agree
Maybe Ben, and AngelColtWhatever should take note of that.
PS
Team of the decade…great…when did we last win a SB? It’s been years.
I just reread all my posts in this topic.
I used the word “damn” once, and otherwise nothing even close to being objectionable.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 11, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
same with me i think i used Damn once and it wasn't at anyone but the post i believe
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 11, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Using that logic...
…every team other than the Steelers, Colts and Giants should be very upset.
Offensive Coordinator > Guard > Tackle > DE > OLB > RB > WR > CB
by Richard Hill on Jan 11, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still upset
I still think we are the team of the decade, but we won’t win it. There’s too many Brady fans out there…
"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin
what makes the Steelers the team of the decade....?
i’m not being a smart ass, i would like to know.
Dammit....
I just looked up the overall stats (the ones that matter) for our two teams…
Steelers:
103-56
Total points: 3,585
6 playoff appearances
10-4 playoffs
2 SB wins
-————————
Pats:
112-48
4,003 total points
7 playoff appearances
14-4 playoffs
3 SB wins*
-——————————————
Seems as though yours actually would be the team of the decade, except for the fact that it is disqualified: Spygate.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
The truth is the truth
Denying it doesn’t make it not so.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
The truth is that they gained no competitive advantage.
Several people here will explain in painstaking detail why this is true. Spygate has become a tool for Pats haters to deny the Pats their due respect.
Denying that Spygate had no effect on the SB wins does not make it so.
I'm not here to argue about it
I know Billy boy cheated, you know it, and the league knows it. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have lost draft picks over the whole thing.
Aside from the disqualification, your team had a statistically better decade than ours.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Get bored and decide to stir the hornets nest?
How about egging our houses and toilet papering the trees? That’s always a hoot, too.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I know spygate is a point of contention
that NE fans will defend and deny even unto your death beds. I really didn’t mean to open that can of worms, honestly. In the discussion of “Team of the Decade”, our two teams are the only candidates for the title. While your team may have had the better statistical decade, there is no controversy surrounding ours. That was the only point I was trying to make.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
By your logic, the Steelers weren't the team of the decade in the '70s, then
Because there’s that controversy surrounding them. Shrug.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, you're right
NOBODY else in the NFL at that time was juicin’…
Come on, make with the sense.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Were all of them? No
Were the Pats the only ones videotaping signals? Hell no.
Hypocrite much?
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
So, by your logic, (again)
There was no rule against steroid use back then, so, no harm no foul, right?
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
it's a technicality
They were officially banned in the 80’s, but to use them players needed prescriptions for them. The team doctors just handed them out, without a warranted medical “need” for them.
Technically, players could roll over on guys legs, gouge out their eyes or break bones in the middle of a pile; use stick-um, spray silicone and vaseline; chop block, horsecollar or clothesline a guy and put out a monetary bounty on another player without a penalty.
Did that make it any less cheating just because they didn’t get caught or it wasn’t a penalty yet?
Keep the faith!
Well then "Technically"
the Steelers of the ’70’s didn’t cheat, since it wasn’t a rule. No rules broken = not cheating.
Dammit! Stop getting me back into this. I’m done with it.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
It was clearly illegal
Fake prescriptions for banned medication? Uh huh.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Then why didn't my team get "sanctioned"?
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
and different era
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum!
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
So, your argument is
it was a different time? By that logic, since slavery was okay way back when, we should just let that slide?
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Pragmatism
The NFL was a fledging outfit then, and basically couldn’t afford to punish its most recognisable commodity at the time. The NFL’s success as a business enterprise was linked to the whole ‘Steel Curtain’ era Steelers. Can’t really punish the best thing you’ve got going, much like the Lakers in the ‘90s. It’s not pretty, but it’s true.
Secondly, the league back then didn’t have strong rules, strong enforcement of rules, nor a strong commissioner. Would Goodell have slapped the Steelers around for monkeying with team doctors? Yes. He’s certainly slapping teams around for monkeying with team doctors over concussions at the moment.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
According to the NFL and the commissioner
There’s no controversy surrounding the Patriots’ SB wins either.
Keep the faith!
You're equivocating, just like everyone else does on the topic.
When confronted with evidence that the “spying” didn’t affect anything, you resort to “Well, he still cheated.” It’s a remarkably unclever way of trying to end an argument in which you have no valid points without actually conceding that you have no ammunition apart from fanatical vitriol.
I apologize for my own fanatical vitriol, in advance. Something about irrationality just bugs me.
Correct. They lost a draft pick.
You know what they didn’t lose? Superbowl wins. Goodell could’ve. Goodell didn’t. So you can’t.
By the way, want to surrender all those early Steelers Superbowls because they were jacked up on ‘roids? Didn’t think so.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
By that same logic
What has your team done since Bill was forced to stop with the video taping? Any SB wins there?
What has my team done since steroids were outlawed? We have won 2 SB’s.
This is the driving force of your argument? Seriously?
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
A Superbowl appearance, 16-0 regular season, and playoff apperances this year (ouch much?)
You’ve also won 2 Superbowls in 30 years since a ‘roid-raging super-team. That’s not a great strike-rate. Heh.
Let’s be clear. No competitive advantage gained = NO. COMPETITIVE. ADVANTAGE. GAINED.
None. Not “a little advantage gained”. None. No help. No advantage. No way it helped win or lose games.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Uh-huh
Then why the sanction handed down by the league? If there was no cheating involved, there shouldn’t have been consequences, right?
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Because a rule had been broken.
It’s not the same as cheating to win. It was a breaking of a rule. If it did guarantee victories, they wouldn’t allow it at all. But they do. They just impose limits on it – where the camera is, how to do it (showing the replay screen during the game) and that it isnt’ allowed to be used during the game.
The Pats arguably broke the positional aspect. And even that wasn’t clear until Goodell made his ruling.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Rules were broken. Punishment ensued.
But there was NO competitive advantage gained.
Why is this SO hard for you to grasp?
Do you only get a speeding ticket when you speed and KILL someone? No, you get one when you are unfortunate enough to get caught speeding.
And Bill was unfortunate enough
to get caught CHEATING. I don’t see why this is such a tough concept for you to grasp.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Okay, so let's call it CHEATING, if that makes you happy.
So we change the label to cheating. How does this change the fact that THERE WAS NO COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE?
If you don't gain a "competitive advantage"
Why would you cheat?
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Well done.
They didn’t cheat. They just broke a rule about where they were allowed to tape from. Taping itself was not illegal and never was. They just broke a procedural rule.
Steroids aren’t procedural, by the way.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
For a procedural rule infraction,
not for cheating. I repeat: NOT cheating.
If they were cheating, and that ‘won’ them Superbowls, Goodell could’ve stripped them of titles or put an asterisk beside the Superbowl listings. He didn’t.
You can’t, either, even if you really, really want to.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
He wasn't 'cheating'
Cheating involves winning in spite of the rules. No competitve advantage gained = no effect on whether the Pats won or lost. They just transgressed a rule, it wasn’t a calculated attempt to break the rules to ensure victory.
Nice try, though.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
It's like
“Penalty too many men on the field.” or “Encroachment.”
“Oh, games over. They cheated and any past successes are tainted because they may have had too many men or encroached then, too.”
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Good lord.
I said I didn’t come to debate this, and am unprepared with anything to refute whatever you guys may say. Geez louise…
Your team had a better statistical decade. End of discussion.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
There is nothing you could do to prepare, because...
…there’s no argument.
You cannot equivocate cheating and breaking a rule. Cheating is engaging in actions that substantially affect your ability to perform in a content (like, for example, stacking the deck in a card game).
Breaking a rule is, well, just that. You break a rule, you get punished, but you didn’t CHEAT. You never did something that so fundamentally altered the balance of competition that things were not fair anymore.
There is absolutely no evidence suggesting that what the Patriots did was “cheating,” by my previous definitions.
But if you want to go around saying every rule breaker is a cheater, go ahead.
Thanks, Steel
We are frustrated as heck right now and it gives us a chance to vent. We’ve had 36 Spygate posts, so it has been rehashed a time or two.
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The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
On top of that, half of these guys are lawyers or law students.
This stuff is right up their alley.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Very true.
I’m still not sure whether the lawyer-genes (yes, we really are mutants) kick in and cause me to pound on would-be trolls, or whether it’s just plain fun to harrass ignorant, uneducated tools.
" ’Cause, um, Spygate and stuff". Red rag to a bull.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Alas, I'm an engineer in my day job.
Twisted logic gets my dander up.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Listen prick
ignorant, uneducated tools.
I’m here all by myself, and your surrounded by your little toadies. I already said you won, and I’m done. You want me to start really trolling over here? I can, and I’m quite sure a couple of my friends would LOVE to come pitch you guys shit right about now. So back it up a bit.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Hey Steel,
sorry man didn’t mean to start this mess. looked up some stuff and saw that indeed…
the Steelers are right their with us for wins and such.
i think what gets me for titles like this is intangibles.
you know? like what a feat it was for the Pats to accomplish what they did. The Patriot Way kind of being a standard in the first half. Overcoming Injuries (major ones). Losing Coaches. Etc.
What do you feel made your team great in the intangibles? :)
ps. please dont call us toadies! lol
Intangibles was what I meant by bringing up
that whole camera thing. That is and will be a factor in the voting, of that I have no doubt.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
I'll start
1. Smash mouth football – you know you played a game
2. Dominant defense
3. Guys like Hines Ward stepping up when needed
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
i remember...
absolutely not looking forward to when they played Pittsburgh. It was ALWAYS an edge of the seat game. You knew they were gonna bring it.
Hines Ward…such a legend.
You guys actually come to our house
this upcoming season. I can’t wait for that game!
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
That should be great.
I’d like to be at that game, but I wish it was in Foxboro.
The wife’s a long time Steelers fan.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
i feel ur pain and headaches...my last 2 gf were steeler fans.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum!
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
It's not pain at all.
The loser has to be on top.
It makes all of their games fun.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Man...I'm tired of playing games in Foxboro
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
its always 3 games
like the pats played the colts @ their field in 07 08 n 09.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum!
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
I'm not tired of it....
I feel better when the Steelers come to OUR house!! :)
especially after this season
I hope the Pats do better on the road in 2010. It would be hard for them to do any worse, actually.
Keep the faith!
Nobody asked you to come here
and you started it. “Whinge whinge cheat cheat”. No competitive advantage gained = outright declaration of no cheating. What more proof do you want?
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously Comedic,
I have said I’m done, if you persist, I will be forced to retaliate in kind.
You’re not the only one that can throw their verbal weight around.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Uh, that's nice
Maybe 10 guys saying “waa waa Spygate” will look less like crying than one guy saying it.
Cheating is breaking the rules for the purpose of getting a competitive advantage. Goodell said Spygate never gave a competitive advantage. Ergo, it isn’t cheating. That’s all that needs to be said.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
hines ward...
bring up this thought.
i wish more players would start and finish their career with one team. there seems to be something extra special about that. loyalty. dedication. being able to know a system inside and out…all good things. of course the NFL isn’t really set up for that anymore.
I only wanted to say why I was frustrated
by all the “Team of the Decade” talk.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Understood. I hate the team of the decade title.
It is really a dubious title. If you own the decade, why don’t you have ten titles? If no one can stand before you, then you should be perfect.
As it is, it just says you were a little better. I think teams of the decade would be better.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Well, in all honesty
Only the Steelers and the Patriots can even be considered for the title. We own half of the SB’s that could have been earned this decade.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Granted
I have no problem with the Steelers. I’ll gladly split that ridiculous “team of the decade” thing – Pats had the first half, Steelers the second. But seriously, give that “cheating” tag a rest. They weren’t cheaters, Goodell said they weren’t, and coming onto a Pats site and accusing them of such when it’s clearly false… ugh.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Dude I said that because
it will be a factor during the “Decade” voting process. Then I get jumped by you guys like sharks with blood in the water.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
No. You said, and I quote:
“Seems as though yours actually would be the team of the decade, except for the fact that it is disqualified: Spygate.”
The “fact” that it is “disqualified”? I see. That’s completely rational and non-inflammatory and not troll-like at all.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Okay
Granted, I could have said that better, in a less troll-like way.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Good, now everyone is okay.
I’ve got to run and teach little kids how to beat up big kids.
Play nicely, everyone.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
you should break out that awesome post of all the listings on what happened on spygate)if you know what I mean)
it shut up plenty of people when I came here.
No actually
You are wrong again. I came to debate the “Team of the Decade” thing.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
By having "cheaters" and "Spygate" as your trump card?
You clearly did come here to ‘debate’ Spygate, since the stats are clearly against you. It’s your only actual argument, even if it’s false.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
he could be jerry porter
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum!
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
@ least this decade
pats have gone back to the playoffs after sb wins unlike the steelers (twice now)
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum!
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
You should probably just stop
I really, honestly, did not come to troll. But, like I told Comedic.Sans, I will be more than happy to start.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
You already started.
“Seems as though yours actually would be the team of the decade, except for the fact that it is disqualified: Spygate.”
Nice ‘facts’. Despite being completely contrary to what the NFL Commissioner Goodell said. “Disqualified”? Good one. So your “disqualification” counts for more than Goodell saying they didn’t cheat?
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I could have said it better, yes.
How many times do I have to fucking say it? Seriously, get off your offended horse, and have a discussion.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Me too. I guess nobody taught him how to let things go.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum!
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Hey you guys!
What those horses ever do to you?
i wish the dead horse was mangina
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum!
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
Agreed
Stick to the topic, please, Steelfever. Why are you even here, anyway…go suffer with your teams’ failings.
Whatever
Good points aside, let’s stick to topic; not to pasting South Park clips
Excuse me?
Who the hell are you to tell Pats Pulpit how it should and shouldn’t run the posts? Seriously. You turned up three days ago, for no other reason, it seems, than to troll and throw out ridiculous tripe about trading Brady (without saying who to, what for, who you’re replacing Brady with, and how that will ‘guarantee’ better seasons than Brady is doing now) and firing Belichick (without saying who you’re hiring instead, and how that will work better than the status quo).
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
according to jaymorey lol
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum!
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
I NEVER SAID TO FIRE BB
Try reading instead of making stuff up.
Willing to give up your Super Bowl wins
Does the Steel Steroid Curtain ring a bell? Nothing says cheatin’ like a D-Line pumped full of illegal steroids, handed out by the team doctor.
Keep the faith!
Oh, but didn't you know??
It’s the Steroid Age, now. We forgive ALL uses of steroids, past and present.
But placing otherwise permissible video cameras in non-sanctioned spots on the sidelines to tape opposing coaches flapping their arms to convey to players on the field what may or may not be a play call…. we take away everything.
Valid point
Nothing says cheatin’ like a D-Line pumped full of illegal steroids
Except for the fact EVERYBODY used performance enhancing drugs at the time, and they were not illegal. By the rules of the league, it was not cheating.
Clear everything up for you?
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Oh yeah?
Everyone was videotaping defensive calls from the sideline. Hell, everyone was stealing everyone else’s calls in every way possible. That’s what Parcells said. That’s what Shanahan said. Good argument, friend.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Everyone was videotaping defensive calls from the sideline
Hmmm, then why is it your team was the only one that got in trouble for it?
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Because Mangini cried
Basically.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Oh well,
That makes sense. It’s okay as long as you don’t get caught?
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Holding is OK as long as you don't get caught.
Encroachment is OK as long as you don’t get caught.
Illegal block to the back is OK as long as you don’t get caught.
Delay of game is OK as long as you don’t get caught.
Pass interference is OK as long as you don’t get caught.
Roughing the passer is OK as long as you don’t get caught.
HGH is OK as long as you don’t get caught.
Steroids are OK as long as you don’t get caught.
Tampering is OK as long as you don’t get caught.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Look. It all comes down to right and wrong
Cheating is wrong, bottom line.
Again, I’m done discussing it.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
Except it isn't 'cheating'
and no matter how many times you say it was, it still isn’t. If it was, there would have been a competitive advantage gained – that’s pretty much the definition of cheating, breaking the rules to get a competitive advantage.
Goodell basically said outright that it wasn’t cheating. It was breaking a procedural rule, in the same vein as how the Pats surrendered a first round pick to the Jets for signing Belichick. It didn’t win them Superbowls, so you can’t take Superbowls away from the Pats because it suits your purpose.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say anything about taking away SB's
I was talking about the “Team of the Decade” title. Which is voted on, not won.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
The Steelers are definitely up for discussion. No doubt.
In fact, it’s too bad Troy got hurt this year, because it probably was the biggest thing that kept you out of the post-season and another shot at the title.
It’s hard not to respect a talent like that. Our D really didn’t have anybody to generate that kind of fire. There’s always next year, and more importantly next decade. The discussion for that title starts with the winner of this Super Bowl.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh
There’s always next year
That’s a line directly copied from the Browns playbook. I hate the fact that I have to even think like a Browns’ fan….(shudder)
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
The Browns fill a perfect niche in the AFC North
Somebody has to take fourth place in the division. Thank God it’s them.
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 12, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Very true
Bills and Browns, the laughing stock of our divisions.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
unfortunately
working in China, and having 12 hour time difference with US, I was unable to participate in this discussion :(
But it was fun, Steel !
Hehe thnx
Did you actually read all that shit? Wow…
I actually thought of a few more things to support my case, but I’m not going to get into it again.
"OOH! A piece of candy. OOH! A piece of candy."
-James Woods
by Steel Spike on Jan 12, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
true
they did play the most boring game this decade.
browns won 6-3
and i believe derek anderson was
2/17 for 23 yards 0 td 1 int…wow
and he was the only qb for the browns playing
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They WERE illegal,
they were NOT used by every player, and the Steelers’ opponents were very angry about it. Don’t re-write history now. There have been books written – including a former Steeler who documents the teams’ prolific usage and the damage it caused. Former players from those teams have DIED because of it. Do some research before spouting off on this please.
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Seriously Jay, you've gone off the deep end
I suppose after yesterday’s game you wouldn’t see the sarcasm of the Lewis/Reed post. You jumped on it, tripped and tumbled right down the hill.
As for Tunalicker? I don’t even like fish. You shouldn’t create a fanpost and then start calling commenter names -that’s for Jets fans to do.
You got a lot smart posts here that you’e undeservedly ranted on. Chill bro, we both start the off season too early.
Btw, can we have Wilfork, please?
goo goo goojoob
I certainly hope not.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 11, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah like he had such an awful year
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HE HAD A FEAKIN' INJURY THIS YEAR!!!!
and guess what? THIS IS HIS SECOND BEST SEASON OF HIS CAREER! what? you want another 07 brady back? you know what? F his injury right? he can still throw those deep balls with PERFECT accuracy right?
You are overreacting. Brady is the top 3 QBs in the league. He put up great numbers this year despite the injury. And you suggest we trade due to his ONLY bad playoff game? You cannot tell me that’s absurd. That’s like saying that any star player with a bad game must be traded immediately. What if Ed Reed played a horrible game in the playoffs one time, and they lost? Are you willing to give up arguably the best safety in the nfl? Are you willing to give up on arguably the second best QB in the nfl? Your just upset with his performance, and looking at his age. nothing more. You fail to look at what he accomplished this season as a whole, with an injury, and helped come out on top of the afc again this year. You cannot trade this guy, no matter the cause. He is our starting QB, and a pro bowl and possibly top 3-5 all-time. You cannot trade someone like that.
The sad thing is....
it’s been the fans of opposing teams that have been the rational ones!
Every opposing team’s fan that’s come by this thread has said, more or less, “Are you insane?” It’s the reactionary Pats fans fueling the fire. I just didn’t think there were so MANY!
So basically what this guy is saying...
…is since Brady didn’t have a Peyton Manning-esque year that he’s past his prime, he’s got nothing left in the tank, and we are better off without him?
Right…
Peyton Manning had a bunch of Pro Bowl seasons...
that ended in one-and-out playoff flunks, too. Maybe the Colts should’ve traded Manning after 2002, 2003 or 2004? Heh.
Hell, Brett Favre’s career started in Atlanta with a pick for a TD. His first year’s stats were something like “0 completions, 3 interceptions” (or something as awful). He shouldn’t have ever been let back onto a football field, by that logic.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 12, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
TradingTom Brady
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING? YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT BRADY WAS INJURED. THE RUNNING GAME WAS NEVER CONSISTENT AN NEITHER WAS THE PLAY CALLING. WHETHER IT WAS BILL OR WHOEVER THAT WAS CALLING THEM. THE OFFENSIVE LINE WAS HURT ALL YEAR WITH PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT AND THE LACK OF PLAY CALLING IMAGEINATION WAS COMPLETELY EXPOSED. THE DEFENSE DIDNT START COMING TOGETHER TILL LATE IN THE SEASON. WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS MAKE A RUN AT ROMEO CRENNEL.
first, i never post on here but usually follow along with the topics. however, I couldn’t not post on this. trade Tom Brady? really? he had his best statistical year, 2007 aside, of his career leading to a Pro Bowl and Comeback Player of the Year award. sure, he had some bad games but he also faced the toughest schedule of pass defenses in the NFL. did you see how he tore up the Colts secondary? he only threw the one INT that game, and that wasn’t the direct reason for the loss. Peyton Manning has had a lot of Pro Bowl seasons end in the first round of the playoffs. should the Colts trade him? no, no way. Joe Montana had a major back injury in the mid-80s that required surgery. should SF have traded him at the time? they didn’t, and look how it turned out. look at everything he’s done for that team. he’s not someone that’d be easily replaced.
I think I understand your premise. get the picks to stock up for the future. there’s a flaw though. who would replace Brady as starting QB? I don’t think Hoyer is ready for that task, and there’s no rookie they could draft that’d be a guarantee. trading Brady would be a mistake of epic proportions.
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by JumpinJackFlash on Jan 13, 2010 10:18 PM EST reply actions
Stop with the stats talk guys...
Even BB says repeatedly, “I don’t believe in stats”. So great, big deal, Brady had his second best statistical season. He tied for his most losses in his career (2002—-no playoffs). And take a look around at numerous site (Pats homepage for “Ask PFW” column most notably)—-a lot of people feel the same way about Brady—-that he has lost a step mentally and that just doesn’t ever come back. Physically, he seemed ahead of the recovery curve for that kind of injury, but mentally , he has a damaged psyche, stemming from a INT to end the SB in 07-08 and culminating in an injury that kept him out in 08. Lots of analysts feel he has a lot more to heal, and even if he had a “statistically sound 09”.
I ask again
Who are you replacing Brady with?
Why can’t you answer the question? It ought to be simple. You don’t ever, ever trade away a QB without a replacement. It’s suicide. Green Bay was only fine with getting rid of Favre because it had an ex-first round draft pick guy in Aaron Rodgers, who’d had three years or so experience riding the pine. And that’s a QB in Favre who was both significantly older than Brady and had significantly less success in playoff situations. “But Brady is injured”… well, so was Favre.
Brady’s psyche was damaged by a playoff loss, and/or a severe injury? Here’s a hint – every year there’s a Superbowl-losing starting-QB. All those careers ruined? Not quite, buddy. And season-ending injuries? Fairly common. I’m too tired to list the QBs who’ve come back from one, the other, or both, because it’s frankly too long. Feel free to whinge if you like, then I might bother to list the whole lot. I sense the top one will be a guy called Montana.
Unless you’re thinking QBs of Brady’s quality just fall from the sky, you’d be an idiot to trade him. “But a lot of people feel the same way about Brady”. Congratulations, you’ve found a supply of idiots. I bet that was difficult to do on the internet.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
brady did not throw an int in SB 42
and u claim to love this team …wow
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Hmm, he might've thrown a pick in the last second
on a Hail Mary kind of thing? I can’t remember; the game was over by that point, and everyone knew it. If he did throw a pick, and that is what jaymorey is claiming “damaged Brady’s psyche”, jaymorey doesn’t know a lot about sports. “But on Madden I can throw a 80 yard bomb to win the game whenever I feel like it.” Heh.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
na...it was turnover on downs @ the end of the game
i try to forget that game
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It's not Brady
If you want to look at somebody look at Moss. He does great in the beginning but fizzles outs. How come in our only playoff game a rookie who was a quarterback in college is the best receiver?!?!?!? Moss caught all his passes in garbage time. This is his second time he has been non-existent in the playoffs and he has a history of dogging plays. I think Brady is relying on Moss too much which is making Brady look bad along with the injuries. When Brady throws to Welker he has had little issue. But he has had multiple tipped balls for interceptions when throwing to Moss. Moss is not blowing people out as much and he looks more like the receiver from the Raiders every day. 5 receptions for 48 yards in a playoff game for 14 mil a year is not going to cut it when edelman scored two TDs with 10+ receptions. Moss’s last 6 games he average 56 receiving yards with .9 TDs. For the year 79 yards per a game, .8 touch downs and 5 receptions per game. Not sure we should be paying 14+ million per year for these numbers? Maybe going out and getting another two (one receiver and other positions) solid receiver instead of this supposed home run hitter (only during the regular season) would be better. When the pats were winning championships, they had solid dependable guys like welker and edelmen that never gave up the on ball. To me if anyone has played there last game in New England it would be Randy. He was called out by other teams and only came back to prove himself for one came. When Tom was in trouble with the Ravens, where was he?!?!? Where was in the end zone?!?! He is bigger than any of the corners and was not doubled yet Edelemen got the call!!! Also in the undefeated year he was gone in the playoffs and was barely there for one TD in the Superbowl. He was always just one step away in the playoffs! He had some key drops in the Super bowl also. I am just not sold on him and he is getting older with a ballooning contract. Just like Seymour, get something for him before it is too late and free some money BUT DO NOT GET RID OF BRADY!!!
good point but i want to see randy for one more year....if he has the same bs from this year...then let him go in 2012
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Just not sure we will get value in waiting another year of BS of Randy (and it will be BS)
I have been thinking the same thing after the 18-1 debacle and then when brady went down. I know that Brady was coming back but he did not look that bad. I think Randy has given up on himself and the Pats need leadership not this. If Edelman can out shine him in the playoffs, then I say goodbye and get what we can. That game against the Ravens was a chance for guys to show their metal and Randy went and hid in the corner and took a smoke break against single coverage while Brady was fighting for his life. I understand loyalty but I am loyal to a three time super bowl winner who works hard and makes no excuses. A guy that has never been questioned versus a guy who has been questioned everywhere (even when he was drafted and they vikings took him because of Chris carter was a mentor. I think he should be part of the “clean house.” If the PATS wait another year and there is more mediocrity then who will want a high priced receiver with no return?? He has maybe 1-2 more good year (if he has any) left so jettison now for something and get the team on track. It also frees room to sign Wolfork, Bodden, Gostowski , FA Pass Rusher and Others.
Randy only has one more year on his contract anyway, he's signed through 2010.
But you’re forgetting that Welker and Edelman are open for those 10+ catch games because Moss is on the field. If he ever gets single-coverage, he’ll tear a team up – re: the Titans game. So even if he’s supposedly dogging it, even if he’s supposedly taking plays off, even if he’s dancing like a ballerina on the sideline, the opposition has to cover him. They do, and usually with at least one safety rolled over to his side. Quite frankly, having Moss on the field means Welker and Edelman have just that little bit more room to do what they do. Do you think other teams would be as scared of Aiken or Slater as they are of Moss?
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
as much as people love to say how he "dogs it"
they’ll notice (if they look) that teams can’t and don’t leave him alone. He takes up the opponent’s best CB and oftentimes has safety help as well. He automatically makes Welker, Edelman and any other receiver on the team better.
Keep the faith!
Not always true
In the playoff game he was covered one on one. Against Carolina, one on one. Many games this year do you do you want to know you was actually double covered? That would be Wes Welker. In the second half of the season, teams were double covering Wes Welker because he was the bigger threat to catch the ball.
Good point
I did not know he was just signed through 2010. I know he still caught over 1000 yards and over a dozen TDs. He had single coverage against the Panthers and the Ravens and did not tear them up?!?!? He had single coverage against the Texans and did not tear them up. He had double coverage against the bills and scored three touchdown but all short yardage touchdowns high percentage passes. He did score against Derelle Revis an a 1 yard quick pass but was otherwise held in check. one on one (the second game when the pats blew them out). I am not completely against him and not saying he does not demand coverage or respect. What I am saying is he is not the guy who requires double coverage or will kill teams like he used. Whether it’s physical or in his head, I don’t know but he just does not blow people away. Teams have only been singling him a lot more and getting away with it. They can use a DB to blitz and not cover Randy and that’s why Tom is forced to throw or on his back earlier. Teams knowit and we see it. You saw it against the Ravens. They blitzed DBs, LBs and others. Now Welker was not there but Randy was so that means he should have been open. Also my solution was not slater or aiken it was to pick up someone else in free agency since it is an uncapped year here is our chance. Keeping him for one more year is not a bad thing but paying him more money for lackluster playoff performance after this is not a good idea.
Nice sentiment, but completely impractical.
You’re right. It might or might not be an uncapped year (they can still negotiate a salary cap with a CBA between now and the next season, if they wish).
The problem with your logic is this: while it means the Pats can potentially overpay a free agent solely to get him on the team, it also means everyone else can overpay the same free agent. So you’re in the same position as you always were – you’re just bargaining bigger dollars to do it. Also, any kind of blockbuster deal could only be for one year, because the salary cap is likely to be back for 2011, if not sooner. So you can’t sign any WR to a multi-trillion dollar 100+ year deal because it’ll blow the salary cap the next time it’s in play. That’s not the answer.
You also note that Randy got past Revis for a quick TD, but was otherwise held in check. You know what’s interesting to note about that one play? It had absolutely no influence from Bill O’Brien – Randy and Tom Brady saw the opportunity, quickly communicated, and executed it, without any back-and-forth from the playcaller, O’Brien. So maybe Moss wasn’t the problem; maybe it was just bad playcalling and poor use of Moss as a player.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 25, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Heya
Would you entertain an off-line conversation regarding NZ?
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by JohnHannahRules on Jan 26, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, JHR
Whatever you’d wish to know, I’ll gladly help.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 26, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
shoot me a note
and I’ll get in touch: jkgooch[at]gmail[dot]com
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by JohnHannahRules on Jan 27, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
u so realize we have an uncapped year nxt year...so no salary cap
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"High priced receiver for no return"?
Randy is paid around $6 million for a season of over a dozen TDs, 1000+ yards, and capped off with a Pro Bowl selection.
Adalius Thomas was being paid $5 million for… four? five? healthy scratches and no production in any game. He got outplayed by a guy on base minimum veteran salary (Banta-Cain), around $600k.
Wrong target, friend. And if it’s so clear to you that Moss is done and dusted, then it must be blindingly obvious to people who are in the NFL. So if Moss is done for, nobody will trade for him anyway. You don’t get it both ways.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
can we have cassel when brady hangs his boots up?
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i wouild love brady
on denver i wouild trade my whouile dfart for him
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule reseident broncos fan for ap lol denver will rise again
Trade Brady, Yes!
Ditto on this one. Brady has lost his “gunslinger” edge. Can he recover it next year? Maybe, but it’s time to get a new fearless QB on board.
And while we are it, it is also time to show BB the door. If the Patriots never get to another Superbowl in my lifetime it is OK, just as long as they play with heart – something they lacked this year. Keeping BB and Brady will insure that we will will not see the Pats advance, or even make, the playoffs. The alternative is that we can at least hope.
Hehe, sorry
You kept asking, and not getting a viable answer, so I thought I would help.
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yep
long balls to randy moss on every play
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Russell couldn't identify an open receiver if his life depended on it.
Let alone complete a pass to one.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 16, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
was jk
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You're right, he is a joke.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 17, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Who is replacing Brady AND Belichick and at the same time guaranteeing that "the Pats advance [into] the playoffs?
Pull a magical coach and QB out of your rear end? I’d like to see that.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 16, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
To all newcomers spouting off retardedness
Fine. You want to fire/trade Belichick and/or Brady. That’s lovely. Answer these questions.
a) Who is replacing Brady?
b) How are you going to get the replacement?
c) How can you guarantee the replacement will instantly play better than Brady?
d) If this replacement is so obviously amazing, why will he end up at the Pats?
e) If Brady is so obvious past his use-by date, why would any other franchise trade for him?
f) Why is Belichick washed up, when he got to the playoffs basically as Head Coach, Defensive Coordinator AND Offensive Coordinator, head scout and head of personnel?
g) Who is REPLACING Belichick as Head Coach, Defensive Coordinator, Offensive Coordinator, head scout and head of personnel?
If you can’t answer a) through g) without making me laugh, I might consider you more intelligent than the thing that grows on food if you leave it in the fridge for too long.
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Amen brother
Since there can be and will be no forthcoming appropriate response, I’m done with this thread
Keep the faith!
You guys need a new QB?
Pat White’s gonna be looking for work soon
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