Time for a house cleaning? Patriots DC Dean Pees says goodbye
There are a number of reasons why people leave an organization. 2 that come to mind are a) cash in on success for money and/or position and b) it's time to go and you're shown the door or make the call yourself. Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, and Eric Mangini all followed the "A" path and jumped ship for HC positions at Notre Dame, Cleveland, and Jets/Browns respectively. "Cashing in" on the success of the Patriots historic 2001-2005 Superbowl run, these 3 sought to capitalize on what they'd been part of. To a certain extent they ultimately failed, but that's for another discussion.
Shalise Manza-Young reported Dean had been fired. About an hour later, the Patriots and MSM sought to correct that report with the following:
"My contract with the New England Patriots will expire in a couple of weeks and I have informed Mr. Kraft and Coach Belichick that I will not seek to renew it. I enjoyed my time in New England, but feel this is the right time to pursue other opportunities. I had the privilege of working with some great coaches and great players over the past six seasons and leave the Patriots with some wonderful memories that will last a lifetime. In addition to the players and coaching staff, I want to thank the Kraft family, the media and the fans for all of their support."
Pees, in an interview with Boston Globe reporter Albert Breer, dives a little deeper:
"I’ve chosen not to return," Pees said. "I’m not retiring, although I might. I need some time to think about what I’m going to do. It could be a bunch of things. But I’m not leaving to go to a specific job. I need some time to see where we’re at. I don’t think it’s retirement, but I wouldn’t rule it out."
Pees, 60, was diagnosed with prostate cancer and underwent surgery over the summer. Soon thereafter, he had a blood clot in his leg. He’s now cancer-free, but had bronchial spasms – which have all the symptoms of a heart attack – cause a scare in the coaches’ booth during the regular-season finale in Houston, and he was hospitalized there.
Blood clots in his leg. I can tell you from personal experience that blood clots are nothing to mess around with. It's what ultimately caused my father's heart attack and subsequent congestive heart failure (clots have a way of traveling). If I were Dean I'd take a hiatus, too. But that doesn't tell the whole story of the goings on in Foxboro, MA. I suspect if everything was peachy, Dean may have gone for and been granted, said contract extension. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not.
The Patriots ranked 11th in total defense, 12th in passing defense, and 13th in rushing defense. Football Outsiders has them at 13th. That's not bad but for a team who prided themselves on their defensive prowess, it's anything but fine, especially when your head coach buttered his bread as a defensive coordinator.
It's hard to pin our defensive woes on one person. It's downright wrong to do so. However, when heads have to roll the guy at the top is the first on the chopping block, especially in professional sports. While Pees shouldn't shoulder all of the blame, he is ultimately responsible for the performance of this defense, good or bad.
The numbers pointed out above don't necessarily indicate a defense in the throes of an epic collapse; we can save that distinction for the Detroit Lions, universally labeled as the worst defense in professional football. But as Belichick has quoted, "Stats are for losers." Apparently I'm a loser. Moving on. There are any number of reasons for the 6 regular season and 1 playoff loss of this year. You could say the offense failed to score enough points but how would you explain New England's #2 ranking in offense by Football Outsiders or a #3 ranking in total offense by NFL.com? The offense is not as much to blame as we think.
There were at least 2 obvious defensive collapses that I can recall off the top of my head: Indy and New Orleans. We had Indy, we had them by the short hairs. At 31-14 to start the 4th quarter, NE sat comfortably on a 17 point lead with 14 mins left. Maybe better stated, as comfortable as you can get against Indy. In what can only be described as a defensive collapse, Dean Pees and Co. allowed Peyton Manning to put up 21 points to their 3. The defense, in essence, blew the lead.
New Orleans was a different story. Saints HC Sean Payton abused the Patriots the way our 2007 offense used to abuse opponents. It had less to do with skilled players and more to do with intellect. Payton and crew knew exactly how to beat us, as if they had our playbook to study from. If I wasn't a Patriots fan, I'd say it was a masterful job of dismantling our defense.
There is talent on this defense, it just needs to be developed. Sure, we could use a couple high profile pass rushers and possibly CB's, but is this D really THAT fractured? Is it really void of any talent at all or does it just need a new voice willing to kick them in the butt? Maybe it was a bad idea to let Dom Capers go.
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good riddance
i fired him too on madden 2010 and hired bruschi to run my D
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hell yeah
bring in Bruschi, he’s already guided pats d to 3 rings
he had no coaching experience
maybe as an assistant.
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by Patssuck456 on Jan 14, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
dude...i was talking about my madden nfl 2010
though i don’t mind him joining the staff as a lb assistant
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Do you guys think that he'll give bruschi a try at DC as well?
My answer is highly unlikely, but it’d be interesting.
there is already a lb coach...unless they promote the lb coach to DC and then hire Bruschi
though i want Peppers to be the DC…he was waited 10 years
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Pepper
Maybe Pepper can add that fresh breath of accountability back to the D. It’s been absent of late.
I think Pepper would be a great pick for DC.
He’s been with BB’s defense basically since the late ‘80s. When talking about defense, they could probably finish each other’s sentences. He might also get some of the younger players up to speed quickly.
"Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory...lasts forever."-Shane Falco, "The Replacements"
Dean Pees has created a terrific statistical defense...
…however, the defense has been missing the Moxie of the early half of the decade.
Offensive Coordinator > Guard > Tackle > DE > OLB > RB > WR > CB
Dick Jauron? Just kidding
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by Yardpenalty.com on Jan 14, 2010 11:52 PM EST reply actions
Did they whiff on Romeo?
BB had to know this was coming for days, if not weeks. Would Crennel have entertained returning?
Depends what his long-term goals are
I suspect that any and all positional coaches, co-ordinators, etc who’ve had success in New England and then gone on to greener pastures (usually an indication that they want to be Head Coaches, right?) would never really consider coming back to the Pats for a few reasons.
a) They risk earning a reputation, whether justified or not, of only being successful under the wing of Belichick. That’s career-stunting – just how many times has Charlie Weiss been accused of this lately? Yeah, that’s why Weiss would never come back under the umbra; Crennel was accused of the same when he was at the Browns, so he’d avoid it too.
b) They must realise there’s no hope of elevating themselves to a higher spot in New England, because Hoodie has the Kraft seal of approval. Co-ordinators that aren’t in NE can hope to jump up to a HC in a far shorter time-frame than that in NE, and;
c) Hoodie, probably because of the near-constant turnover of positional coaches, co-ordinators and the like, has a lot of influence in what goes on in every aspect of the Pats system. So being a DC or OC under Belichick means less than it does in, say, Kansas. Who came up with the Chaos/roving LB scheme? It wasn’t Pees, even though he was DC. It certainly doesn’t look good for Pees when the most innovative scheme of the defence didn’t come from the DC, but from the HC. Even if a Crennel defence was successful, it’s not clear he’d get the credit (and therefore, further job prospects). He’ll definitely get any credit if Kansas finds a D, though.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
great points..rec'd again...i always rec'd u
also
Crennel has been away from BB defense for 5 years now. Unlike Crennel, Peppers knows the D inside out. he knows BB as a DC when he played @ the Giants and he knows BB as a HC @ NE for 10 years now
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And Hoodie has always liked promoting from inside the organisation, yes
Pepper Johnson has to be a favourite, solely because he’s been around, knows the system, what to expect, has shown the requisite loyalty and professionalism. Hoodie rewards those things; re: McDaniels and the golden paper.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2010 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
Don't forget Matt Patricia -
He’s been around for what, 5 or 6 years? He’s another choice insider.
Keep the faith!
Differences:
Patricia: Younger, more innovative thinker, more likely to leave for another coaching position.
Johnson: Older, played under a Belichick defense, more likely to want to stay long term with Belichick.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 15, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Young also seems to point out that Patricia has trouble "communicating" with players.
Not sure what her basis was for that comment, but she seemed to hint that Patricia has had problems translating his innovative thinking to actual results on the field. Johnson, as a former player, has far less trouble communicating schemes and assignments to players.
Can they be co-DCs?
Come on, you guys can take a joke
But is there a fire somewhere or just smoke? I used to admire the pats, wow, they can just plug someone in there who has never played defense and suddenly the guy is making plays. Now I wonder, did they have inside information?
Protip: Jokes are funny.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
Just to cut short a perennial debate.
The Pats didn’t cheat.
They (and every other team) were allowed (and did) videotape the opposition team’s defensive calls during the game. That was fine. What they weren’t allowed to do was videotape from certain areas of the field (and even that was debatable; the wording was unclear until the Commissioner actually ruled on it in the Pats case).
Anyway, the Commissioner determined that the rule says that the Pats weren’t actually entitled to tape from where they taped. They were subsequently found guilty of breaching that rule and docked a first-round draft pick. Perhaps more imporantly, the Commissioner also said that upon review of the results of the rule breach, that there was “no competitive advantage” from the breach of the rule.
Cheating, by definition, is breach of a rule to get competitive advantage. The Commissioner specifically said that the rule was breached, but that there was no competitive advantage. Ergo, the Pats did not cheat. They broke a procedural rule and were punished accordingly.
As a side note, the last time the Pats were found to have broken a procedural rule and were docked a first-round draft pick, it was how they signed Belichick to be Head Coach. That wasn’t cheating, either, yet got the same penalty.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
Good post
That was a nice explanation, thanks. I was actually rooting for the pats when they won the first SB, I guess most people were, though I still don’t understand the logic of the tuck rule. A fumble is a fumble. The Raiders were robbbbbed!
Belichek will go down in history as one of the greatest coaches. The best, IMHO, is Joe Gibbs, even though I hate the deadskins even more than the packers (horrible name, horrible colors, & how dare they beat the Bears when we were going for multiple championships after ‘85?). The man won with different teams, with different QB’s. Not even Bill Walsh, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, or even Belicheck can say that.
one "tuck rule" sidenote...
That penalty was called against the Patriots earlier that same year when they played the Jets.
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and the fins...remember the AT td
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second "tuck rule' sidenote
On the same play there was a facemask to Brady that didn’t get called. BabeParilli a good picture of it. His helmet was pulled down to the point where he couldn’t see forward (hence he brought his arm in to tuck). Under the rules at the time, that would be a 15 yard penalty which would be first down, instead of the loss of down the “tuck rule” cost us.
We may have gotten a break, depending upon how you look at it on one rule, but they completely screwed us on the one they should have called. In the end, it didn’t matter because they won anyway.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 15, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
"In the end it didn't matter because they won anyway"
As BB says, that’s the only stat that matters.
Keep the faith!
Give me a "W" !
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 15, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Goofy rules
Doesn’t matter if it is being called consistently, tell me how it makes sense. I can understand the diff between a throw and a fumble, what exactly is the difference between a tuck, get hacked, fumble and hang your hand out there, get hacked, fumble? Why exactly doesn’t this rule apply to running backs & WR’s, they have the ball tucked away most times.
Another rule that drives me crazy is the offensive line moving penalty. Coming from a non-footbal playing country, and falling in love with this crazy game, I can’t understand how a tiny movement of the head is supposedly an advantage! “that’s all it takes” intones the commentator – it’s all what takes? Meanwhile the defense is moving about like crazy!
I can understand the tackle getting set before the defense is allowed to react, so change the rule so that the offensive line cannot move their feet – move your head, arms all you want, just don’t move your feet to gain an advantage.
If you come from a non-(American) football playing country
Then just consider the soccer rule on a penalty kick where the keeper has to remain stationary until the ball is kicked.
Not much difference.
The offense knows when the ball is going to be snapped, the defense doesn’t. They require visual clues from the offense to know that the ball is snapped. A safety, for instance, can’t see the snap when the QB is under center. All he can see is the motion of the players. The offense being stationary is one of the few advantages the defense gets right now. With all the touchy feely player saftey rules on how you can tackle.
The tuck rule applies only to the QB. You have to pump the ball, then return it in front of you without it actually contacting your chest. Stupid rule, but it is a rule. What the QB should do is every snap immediately pump fake and then hold the ball in front of your chest. You could never fumble because it would be “tuck rule”. They didn’t invent it for the Pats, and it has both helped and hurt us.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 15, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
It protects the officials
There is no doubt that as events played out in the Raiders game the ruling seems counter intuitive but considering the full range of actions it covers it is clearly in place to prevent officials from having to make interpretations or guessing a quarterback’s intent. That is why it has consistently been upheld by the competition committee every year since.
I don't think there is much to the story of Pees leaving
The guy clearly has health issues and I think that is why he has gone into semi-retirement. Though this is still not good for the Pats as the constant staff turnover continues. The only years we had a stable staff was between 2000-2004… I miss the days when NFL HCs had to be 45+ year old dinosaurs… now 32 year old offensive coordinators get snatched up in a hurry =[
Maybe that's why his defense absolutely crumbled late in the season.
So I’m not so torn up about not keeping him.
he is old lol
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Old is relative
To 5 year olds, anyone over 25 is old.
Is an arbitrary line that is at least 10 years older than you are at the moment. See? I’m not old.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 16, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
You're old to me, SMP
In fact, you’re old, like, twice. That’s OOOOOOOLD. But I’ll let it slide because you punch things that are on fire.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 16, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for your kind comment. I'd respond, but I'm a bit busy gumming my food and getting ready for my hip replacement.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 17, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Protip: Food processors chew for you!
As shown on TV by Junior Seau. He’s old. But then, “old” is highly relative. I wouldn’t call him it to his face. Methinks it’d be painful.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 19, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
looks like Pees might be the DC of the broncos
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Stats speak for themselves
New England’s Defense for the last 9 years.
Year/ Coach Total Defensive Ranking Scoring/ Pts. Allowed
2001 (Crennel D.C) 24th 6th
2002 (Crennel D.C) 23rd 17th
2003 (Crennel D.C) 7th 1st
2004 (Crennel D.C) 9th 2nd
2005 (Mangini D.C.) 26th 17th
2006 (Pees D.C.) 5th 2nd
2007 (Pees D.C.) 4th 4th
2008 (Pees D.C.) 10th 8th
2009 (Pees D.C.) 11th 5th
Source www.nfl.com
Mangini was AWFUL
Hahaha, what were the Jets/Browns thinking? He turned a 9th, 2nd D into a 26th, 17th. And the personnel couldn’t have been too bad, it was followed with a 5th, 2nd. Oh man.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 27, 2010 3:23 AM EST up reply actions

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