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Pats Pulpit is proud to announce its newest co-writer: Comedic.Sans

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Please join me in welcoming our newest co-writer, our very own Comedic.Sans.  CS has been a frequent and valued contributor for the past year.  His excellent writing is backed by a big football brain and IQ, sportingly used to baffle trolls with brilliance as well as hijack threads to heaven knows where.  Comedic.Sans hails from the beautiful island country of New Zealand, over 9,128 miles from Mecca aka: Foxboro, MA (this would be 14,688km for the enlightened).

I'm always curious how Patriots fans so geographically separated from Foxboro, MA keep their fandom alive.  I'm also curious about their home as seen through their eyes.  So, serving as an introduction, I thought it appropriate to interview our friend from the Southern Hemisphere.  Breakout your dictionaries and be prepared for The Queen's English.  Let's welcome Comedic.Sans to the frontpage.

Star-divide

Tell us about your home country of New Zealand, something other than what we can learn from Wikipedia.  I hear it's a spectacularly beautiful place but my only experience has been through "The Lord of the Rings" movies. :-(
New Zealand is relatively unpopuled: only 4 million people (and, somehow, 40 million sheep). New Zealanders are very sport-oriented, probably because, as the youngest first-world colony of an established empire, New Zealanders felt this massive urge to prove their worth and chose to do so via sport. Rugby Union is the code of choice, and it's very successful at it - over 100+ years of international competition, the national team has won more than 80% of the games it has played, and usually against far bigger nations - England, France, Australia, South Africa. Much like current Pats fans, New Zealanders expect their team to win, and when they do lose, it's a national tragedy. Even the economy dips when the All Blacks lose. Outside of sport, NZers are known for being laconic, dry and completely unimpressed by anything. Ever. And, lately, making movies - Lord of the Rings, King Kong, and the special effects of Avatar were all shot in and around my city, or created in the studio here. PS - most of the scenery from LOTR was within 45 minutes drive of where I live.

What do you do in real life?

As of a month or two ago, I'm a fully-fledged barrister and solicitor (in other words, lawyer). At the moment, I'm job-hunting, mainly because the courts close down for Christmas/New Year, and nobody hires at this current time.

How does a person so far from the USA become a fan of the NFL?

My family and I have always been particularly sporty - my mother's parents were a national cricket player and Olympian in small-bore rifle shooting respectively, and my mother represented NZ Universities in tennis and netball. My father's father played alongside, and was best friends with, Colin and Stan Meads. Colin Meads is basically the Jerry Rice of the Rugby world - he was voted the rugby player of the 20th Century, if that says anything. My father grew up in that environment, so it's no surprise he played rugby and cricket at high level. I've played representative sport myself - cricket and rugby - and tried my hand at pretty much anything with a ball, a bat, or combination thereof. My younger sister is a national representative at badminton, too. So I was drawn to pretty much any and all sports at least once.

I got drawn into the NFL in particular at the same time as I became a Pats fan - during the run-in to the Pats Superbowl victory over the Eagles. I was watching a lot of sport when I was recovering from sprained/ mildly torn left knee ligament, and the NFL happened to be on during my summer break from University. I picked up the rules fairly quickly, and was drawn to the Pats. I saw a lot of the traits I associate with New Zealanders in the Patriots, from the coach's demeanour on down. Bill Belichick is a dead-ringer, personality-wise, to the current NZ rugby coach Graham Henry (down to answering "Why did they beat you?" with "They scored more points than us" in press conferences).

Moreover, the entire "Patriots way" is very Kiwi - NZers are plagued with tall-poppy syndrome - even if your team is 100 point favourite, you never, ever say you'll win, you'll never even say you will do well. If asked to make a prediction, you assume underdog position, inflate the other team's chances, and say something like "I hope we do well". You never posture before the game, and you never brag afterwards. The Pats showed the the kind of outlook I was most familiar with, and it was a stark contrast to the *other* contender that year, the Eagles - TO at full-flight is completely anathema to what I'm used to.

Who is your favorite NFL player of the past 10 years and why? 

Troy Brown. He was a consumnate professional, quiet, dedicated, did his job to the best of his (perhaps limited) physical abilities, yet eked out the absolute most he could've hoped for. He was never egotistical, yet had a quiet confidence in his abilities and was sure enough of them to put his hand up and do pretty much anything necessary. Most impressively, he did whatever was necessary to help his team, and he did it when it was most needed - big punt returns in playoff games, clutch third-down receptions, interceptions as a DB, stripping CBs of interceptions to save games. That all suggests that his mental toughness and sheer desire to win was above and beyond that of pretty much any guy he played with or against, and that demands respect.

Favourite Rugby player?

I've got a few I'd rate above him as rugby players, but it terms of notoriety, overall impact on the game, and sheer physical freakiness, I'd pick Jonah Lomu. At his prime, he was 6'5", 254lbs, yet could run the 100m in 10.8 seconds. He was Randy Moss height, speed and agility, but with Ben Watson's mass and strength. He could run around, over and through people, and he did it with ease and grace. More to the point, I got to play against the guy when I was 17 and playing in the Wellington club competition, so I get to say "yeah, I played that guy once" for as long as he's famous.

Are rugby players tougher than American football players or do they just have fewer teeth and bashed in noses?

Hah, I've only met a couple of American rugby players, and they're soft in comparison to the NZers. One guy from a Mid-West university, Brodie something, played over here for one winter. He lasted 5 minutes of an 80 minute game and was blown away by the pace and physicality of the game here. I'm not sure they're 'tougher', per se, but I'd wager they're far, far more physically fit and conditioned. American footballers might make harder-hitting individual tackles, but they can afford to - there's no three-and-outs or substitutions in rugby.

The biggest difference is that in American football, it's all about the tackle. In rugby, it's the post-tackle time that matters most - it's when turnovers occur most often. Instead of tackling the guy hoping to lay him out or force a rare fumble, the best rugby players will be keeping three variables in mind - how the ball-carrier will be laying after the tackle, where the ball is, and how the tackler can tackle the guy in a way to be able to get up and steal the ball from him when the tackled guy is still on the ground. It means there's a lot more technique and skill than sheer brutality, and it's the finesse in doing it that distinguishes merely good tacklers from the great ones.

And I have all my teeth, and a non-bashed in nose. In fact, I don't remember seeing anyone with a missing tooth here who played rugby. Weird.

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Wow, I sure talk a lot

And that’s not entirely Queen’s English – NZ English spells a few things different. We have ‘jail’ and not ‘gaol’. Minor quibbles.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jan 19, 2010 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

Wow i sure learned some new things lol.

And as a Colts fan id like to say welcome as i did with Hill. You seem to be a very intelegent football fan and look forward to more interactions in the future.

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 20, 2010 5:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Likewise

I’d seen you around here a few times, so I’ll definitely look out for you again.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jan 20, 2010 6:08 AM EST up reply actions  

i was right to suggest the Kiwi to the staff of this site

congratulations and God save the Queen lol

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum!

I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life

by NinjaZX6R on Jan 19, 2010 8:28 PM EST reply actions  

Haha, thanks

I’m sure the old dear appreciates the wellwishing, too.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jan 19, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Waaaaay cool

Thanks for the snapshot. Have you been here to the states?

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jan 19, 2010 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

No, although I do intend to travel at some point

I’ll see how it goes.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jan 19, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

good to get to know you a bit more.

I have friends that are from NZ but living in England now. It’s has long been a place I hope to visit. :)

by mellyh on Jan 19, 2010 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

Great to have you aboard.

I’ve always wanted to visit New Zealand. You know set some things on fire and punch them. Not sheep though, that’s baaaaaaad.

My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 19, 2010 10:12 PM EST reply actions  

yea the staff is growing and all great people

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
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by TheAngelsColts on Jan 20, 2010 5:10 AM EST up reply actions  

so do you own any jersey or items itiems? since u live 14k km away

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum!

I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life

by NinjaZX6R on Jan 19, 2010 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

Can't say I do

but I’ve never really been a sports paraphernalia kind of guy; I was always more of a sportsplayer than hardcore sports-fan. I might be tempted by a Welker one, though, if I ever found one that travelled this far…

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jan 20, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Hear that SMP?

Another Welker guy. Competition.

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by MaPatsFan on Jan 20, 2010 7:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey he knows a playah when he sees one.

I’m not a sports paraphernalia kind of guy, either.

My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 20, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey C.S, I found you a Welker jersey. Here it is:

My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 20, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

bad jersey...bad night

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Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum!

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by NinjaZX6R on Jan 20, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a great jersey.

It’s the one of a kind game day jersey worn by Wes during Super Bowl XLII. It is still covered with Wes’ blood, sweat, and tears. Ok, it needs some washing, but other than that, it’s a great jersey.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 20, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Wes's blood?

I smell cloning opportunities.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jan 20, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this Ok for an avatar pic?

Or do you need rugby in there somewhere?

My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 20, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Tried to clone him, but the clones kept breaking out and getting away.

Tough guy to contain.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 20, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I demand a recount!!!

Patriots cheating again…

If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
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by Farorefox on Jan 19, 2010 11:11 PM EST reply actions  

I recounted

I still win. I think. Although several of my congratulatory emails were titled “Welcome to the asylum” or something to that effect. Should I be worried?

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jan 20, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't sweat the asylum stuff; at least the walls are well padded....

My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 20, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, and if you're good

they wheel you out for ice cream sometimes. : )

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jan 20, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Ice cream chowdah? Sounds fun.

My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 20, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

what, sound crazy?

well, it is an asylum…

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jan 20, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

.Sans-Gate!!!

If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
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by Farorefox on Jan 20, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of rugby, Mr. Sans

Have you seen Invictus yet? If so, thoughts? Worth the hype?

And congrats on the promotion.

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by R_Adragna on Jan 20, 2010 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks!

I havent seen Invictus, and I’m a little ambivalent about it for two reasons.

The first one is basically bad childhood memories of that World Cup. NZ were tentative favourites going into the final (NZ annihilated England in the semi) but half the team got horrendous food poisoning the night before the final. I distinctly remember Jeff Wilson, one of the wingers (think WR/CB), throwing up for about 30 seconds on TV coverage of the game. And even then, it was a close enough game that they needed extra time… at about which point all the guys with food poisoning hit the wall and were like zombies. Ugh… it was very Black Sunday-ish.

The second one is tied to the whole rugby-as-political-tool/weapon idea. I’m not sure how much of this is in the movie, but the Apartheid regime was pretty heavily tied to the way South African rugby was organised. In particular, Black and Coloured South Africans weren’t allowed to play with the White South Africans (much like African-Americans were segregated in other sports leagues in the US). For a long time, most of the rugby-playing world turned a blind eye to the non-selection of non-white players, but in 1981 the Springboks were scheduled to tour NZ. At the time, the South Africans were the strongest opponent of a very good New Zealand side, so it was seen as a contest of the titans. However, there was a lot of bad blood in NZ about allowing what was essentially a racist side to tour here. It really boiled down to those people who thought politics and sport should be entirely separate, and those people who thought that by allowing South Africa to play sport here, NZ was tacitly supporting Apartheid. It was roughly a 50/50 split in the NZ population, and it became really antagonistic between the camps – riots, protests, family feuds. The nation was split down the middle, and when the Springboks actually turned up, the police had to send riot squads to every place the Springboks went. The first game was cancelled because 350 protesters invaded the field and sat on halfway and refused to move, despite 50 of them being arrested. There were mass arrests and riots at the next two games, and at the fourth game a Cessna buzzed the field and dropped flour-bombs on the players, knocking out one of the NZ team. It was chaos, and there was a huge hangover afterwards – it was really the first time Police had ever used batons on the NZ people, so there was a sudden distrust of the officialdom that had never existed before. The only good to come out of it was that Nelson Mandela himself was a rugby fan and listened to the riots and coverage and took heart from the support. I guess it’s with that background that he chose to put the rehabilitated Springboks (with Black and Coloured players) to be the new symbol of a ‘Rainbow Nation’ South Africa. But for NZers, it was really a reminder of some pretty raw wounds – my father and grandfather were on opposite sides of the debate and didn’t talk for a year, and that was a pretty common story nation-wide.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jan 20, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

saw it

meh. Not a great sports movie; not a great political drama; heavy on the schmaltz at the end.

The politics are simplistically presented; the game is sort-of well filmed, but you can tell that it’s a “for film” performance (e.g.: the scrum isn’t nearly horizontal enough).

Also on the sports-film side: Hollywood still does not know how to film a game like rugby, and I think this goes to why American TV audiences aren’t (or haven’t been given and opportunity to be) keen on it or Association Football. Producers, both in LA and in TVland, are still looking for the “moment.” Their take on sport is driven by an eye for the episodic, that defining moment or moments that allow you to tell the story of a game in either a single shot or a story-board.

Soccer and rugby are not episodic. At their best, they are elegiac. They require time in the telling to generate a sense of narrative. Trying to spoon-feed the story of a match through set-pieces, random phases and the defining kick (which everyone knows is going through) is an attempt at clarity through distillation. But the distillation falls into dilution, and fails.

You need to film the game differently from football, baseball, boxing, etc. Eastwood gets close from time to time but never really gets there. You can see he’s grasping at something, but he’s clearly working in the dark. Maybe Russell Crowe could have helped him — I understand he’s quite the fan.

Rent it.

Surprised you didn’t get into the whole “they were poisoned” storyline, which apparently has some credibility.

PS: Welcome aboard, and congratulations on your qualifying. Welcome to the brotherhood (have they taught you the handshake yet?)

As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead

by JohnHannahRules on Jan 20, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yes, by the way

The segregated nature of the SARU is a key point in the movie.

As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead

by JohnHannahRules on Jan 20, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it might be, but I wasn't sure how much depth they'd give it in a sports movie

which are always schmaltzy and bleh.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jan 20, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Russel Crowe is a Rugby League fan more than Union

and he owns one of the Australian rugby league franchises that he followed as a kid – the South Sydney Rabbitohs. Crowe’s got divided loyalties – he supports Australia in league and New Zealand in rugby, and I’m pretty sure he’s a NZer for cricket, because all of his cousins played for NZ.

Eh, I couldn’t really say they were poisoned. The coach, Laurie Mains, was certain they were, but there’s a national aversion to looking like you’re making excuses, so people ignored it. I know they had ‘mysterious’ phone calls all night, every night before the final, that car alarms were going off outside their hotel constantly, and that there were even listening devices (!) in their hotel rooms and practice facilities.

Laurie Mains’s wife was from Pretoria, and he actually ended up coaching a South African provincial team a few years later. Apparently he and his wife were walking through Jo’burg and a woman approached him in the street, burst into tears and apologised for being involved in the food-poisoning scheme. She might’ve been mistaken, disturbed, or whatever… but she might not.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jan 20, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Next time they should bring their own Twinkies to town.

Nothing worse than tampering with a snack cake.

My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 20, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hidden microphones in my novelty snack cakes?!

How DARE they?

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jan 20, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Mad respect for you.

Especially for a guy that has never been to an NFL game and has that sort of in depth knowledge. You’ve always impressed me with your thoughtful commentary – whether or not I have agreed.

I have season tix to the Pats – so anytime you are in the states let me know – the tix are on me.

by McGarry on Jan 20, 2010 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

Haha, I might do that

If and when I venture abroad.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jan 20, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Congratulations!

Have always loved reading your thoughtful, intelligent posts — looking forward to your contributions as a regular contributor to the site.

by jctsai12 on Jan 20, 2010 8:51 PM EST reply actions  

Congrats

I have been reading this site for a long time and had not sign up, but reading your interview finally got me to do it. As an Argentine (who now lives in the US), I have always loved rugby, and the All Blacks are my favorite team, after the Pumas of course! So, I love that there are other rugby fans among the Pats fans and wanted to say congrats and looking forward to more of your very good posts.

While I am at it… I love this site, and read it daily and feel like I know many of the posters personally:) So, thanks for such a great job.

by AdrenalineJunkie on Jan 21, 2010 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome aboard AJ, glad to have you.

My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jan 21, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

We welcome ALL

who have an interest in talking football(especially pats football)! Welcome aboard!

by patriotguy on Jan 21, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks!

And welcome to the Pulpit.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Jan 23, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

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