Logan Makins To Sign Tender, Will Report to Patriots Tomorrow
In a story that has been completely overlooked due to the drama of Randy Moss over the fast few weeks, Patriots guard Logan Mankins will sign his restricted free agent tender and will report to the Patriots tomorrow, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported on ESPN during Monday Night Football's haltime show.
The two major questions with Mankins become:
- Should the Patriots welcome Mankins back with open arms?
- What type of role will Mankins have once he comes back?
To answer the first question: Absolutely. The fact that Mankins is signing the tender three weeks early tells me that he actually wants to come in a play football. This has to be good news from the Patriots' standpoint. Assuming that Patriots management is on board with Mankins coming back (and I'm not sure what say they have in it, considering that they didn't rescind the tender), having Mankins can only be a positive thing for the Patriots.
The question then becomes, what role will Mankins be playing? The thing is, in Mankins' absence, guard Dan Connolly has looked pretty solid. There's no question that Mankins is more talented than Connolly, but the offensive line has really developed a rhythm and chemistry that could be disrupted should Mankins return to the starting line-up. In addition, starting Mankins might not sit favorably with part of the locker room.
The one thing I can tell you is this: Mankins won't start this week against the Browns, and there's a high likelihood that he won't start against the Steelers either.
Personally, I'm really undecided on the issue as of now. I'd like to see how Mankins fits in the first couple of weeks, how he adapts to a potentially reduced role, then I will form my opinion on the matter.
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No, he's eligible to play as soon as he signs
He has to pass his physical, get up to speed, etc…
Keep the faith!
no...he wasn't on the roster exempt list like V Jax.
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I think he probably wont start against the Browns
But going into Pittsburgh against that huge physical front 7? Yes please. Dan Conolly’s been very solid, but Mankins is one of the top 3, if not the best, left guard in all of football. Slot him in right away please.
And I think we fans overrate the whole “will his teamates welcome him back?” thing. By all accounts, Mankins is beloved in the locker room, and especially by his fellow linemen. And at any rate, for them its just a job, and just a coworker who wanted a payrise, nothing personal.
Yeah, it seems like most players
do a good job of separating business from what happens on the field and in the locker room. Hopefully, they will be happy to have him.
i agree w. with you...might think of moving Connelly to Center....cause Koppen gets manhandled by NT
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lol
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I have to think that...
…maybe the Patriots agreed to give Mankins a little extra if he signed on for an extra year?
Why the sudden change of heart?
by Richard Hill on Nov 1, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
There was some movement on an extension some time ago
Before the whole hangup with the apology.
Maybe both sides have gotten over that ?
by UtopianAverage on Nov 1, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It does seem earlier than expected
I thought after Week 10 we’d hear inklings of his return.
I don't think so. Homey don't play dat.
it is because of the lockout looming
and Mankins and Vincent Jackson misrepresent the player’s association’s side when they do this.
What kind of pull with the NFLPA have if players refuse to play for $8 million a year? Not much that’s for sure
going to fire his idiot agent?
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He may have been baited by V. Jax returning earlier than expected to SD.
Guess he didn’t wanna be showed up, and look greedy
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
I hate that Mankins doesn't have to sign the tender
and then he can get his money without being able to be traded. That is just bush-league. The new CBA better address this because it is a joke. A team like the Pats would love to try and shop this wannabe to a team with offensive line woes, like the Bears, Packers, or Broncos. I have friends from all those teams that would be thrilled to have his services.
I just think this is wrong. Vincent Jackson and Mankins get their money for being selfish prideful arrogant jerks.
I'm not sure if I misunderstand this,
or you do. After checking some info, it appears it is you, from ESPN Boston :
Mankins was originally offered a tender worth $3.26 million. When he failed to sign the tender by midnight on June 14, the Patriots reduced the tender to $1.54 million, which will be further reduced because it will be prorated over the remaining nine games of the season.
I am pretty sure that is a similar scenario with Jackson. These guys lost out on big money, and the only reason they are coming back is so they will have unrestricted rights next year Not sure about this unsigned tender you speak of….
I think Jackson's situation involved much less original money
I’m guessing from memory, but I think he was due about 700 grand this year, so he had a more legitimate reason for holding out.
And owners and coaches get off on cutting players on a whim because money ain’t guaranteed.
I’m almost always with the players
by quadruple option on Nov 2, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Esp in this sport
Where careers are so short and then after those careers are over they suffer from the health effects of being knocked around so much
Hm..
1. Should the Patriots welcome Mankins back with open arms?
2. What type of role will Mankins have once he comes back?
1. no
2. water boy
Really?
So say at your job a co-worker starts complaining he/she doesn’t get paid enough and vows to stay away until they get what they want. This person is a good friend of yours and someone you have worked with for years and puts you in a position to be better at your own job as well. Do you immediately write your friend off and talk smack and pretend your work place is better with out them or realize that they made a business decision that they felt was best for them(whether it actually was or not is irrelevant) and welcome them back once things resolved themselves? The Patriots are ABSOLUTELY a better team with Mankins than without, period. They would be foolish not to welcome him back and immediately start him as soon as they feel he is back up to speed.
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
Do you actually work?
If one of my more talented work mates decided that getting paid was more important than doing his job (I work public service) I would lose a LOT of respect for him/her.
When he/she is away, my workload increases.
by quadruple option on Nov 2, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
And when they come back...
you might be pleased that your workload decreases, but you might also be suspicious that they’ll leave you in the lurch again if and when they feel like it.
Mankins is clearly turning up to click his time-slip. He hasn’t got much invested in this season – he hasn’t played thus far, doesn’t feel particularly attached to the Pats, and wants to get out of the franchise. I wonder if the other players will look at him like he’s just there to show his face.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
I've never seen someone use so many words to say so little on a regular basis as you do.
Maybe PatsNation85, but that’s it.
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Verbosity is my strong point, I guess.
I once invented an eight syllable synonym for concise.
by quadruple option on Nov 2, 2010 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 2, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha well then
carry on. Well played. That is impressive. I don’t think I’ve ever even seen an eight syllable word.
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lol
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Haha no it sure wasn't man.
It’s all in good fun though. No harm meant.
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
I think it may be a little different for NFL players though
They all seem to stick together when its do with issues of Player vs. Management. They know that its part of the business, and if they were ever in a position where they thought they weren’t being paid fairly or whatever, they’d want their teamates and friends to have their back and support them in trying to get what they believe is a fair deal
Sure. It’s called ‘going on strike’ and you do it… collectively!
(then again, maybe I’ve only ever seen those sorts of strikes)
Imagine your workmate at Acme Insurance Company thinks he’s underpaid. Will he sit out and watch the claims pile up, then come back? You going to be grateful he went? Give him some sympathy?
by quadruple option on Nov 2, 2010 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The players association did it in the 80s
Jerry Rice broke the single-season TD record despite playing 4 less games because of the strike action.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Well, DocOne, I think you are missing a few points:)
1. in workplace with so many people 53+8 players, coaches and so on not everybody is your friend. And many could feel you let them down.
2. Your company looks this time of the year as a market leader without this “friend”, so maybe the guys they hired for him can do a good job
3. your friend arrives: this will actually mean bad news for another “friend”, who fought, sweated together with you for the same goal (while your other “friend” was on strike), and presumably get much less salary, so this other “friend”, with lesser default salary will be fired. Hope you will show some love to that guy too. Throw him a good bye party, or something.
And about this:
The Patriots are ABSOLUTELY a better team with Mankins than without, period.
You can not know it. Period. You have know idea, in what shape Mankins is, how his presence changes chemistry in the locker. ou would say: Many players perhaps did not even meet Mankins. Players like Crumpler, Warren, Woodhead, the rookies. You would not know how they would react. What would Conolly think? and so on.
So I wopuld leave the decision to the people who has the most knoweldge.(Thanks god, they will decide, not us:D:) But I have an opinion.
I personally (knowing, what i know, not knowing many details the actual decision makers know) would not risk to let him back to the team. I would not cut a single player who has the chance to contribute for my team in the future, and actually willing to play here. Would thank Mankins’s worrk, and would wish him good luck, bet would not let him near the locker ever again.
by frogfromthemud on Nov 2, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't misunderstand me, I get the displeasure that fans feel, because, as fans, we take actions like this personally even though it really has nothing to do with us.
I do it, you do it, fans of other teams do it…it’s just part of being a fan. Sorta makes it fun. But think about it.
1. I know in our own minds, The Patriots as a whole are selfless people who only care about the betterment on the Patriots as an organization and a brand. And some of that may be true, but make no mistake, the only reason(at least the major reason) any of them care about the Pats is because that is who pays them, from Kraft down to the waterboy. Save for maybe Brady, who gave us a highly publicized “home town discount”. Of course he did that so we could bring him more talent in order to get what he wanted…fame, SBs, legacy, more money when his numbers went up, 1st ballot HOF, etc… and that doesn’t make him a bad person or wrong in anyway. But don’t think for a second he did it to make you or I happy. He and everyone else on the planet does what they think is best for them and theirs first and foremost. Period. And that is not a bad thing.
2.Just because we happen to be the best so far doesn’t mean we can’t get better at what we do. I don’t think anyone here can/would say that if Mankins comes back he won’t instantly be our best OL. There really isn’t anything that an OL is asked to do that he doesn’t excel at. If that was the case then this whole situation would never have happened. He thinks he is worth #1 pay, the Pats think he’s worth #2 money. Both have an argument. He didn’t do anything against the rules and neither did the organization. Both have stood their ground and Mankins caved first. Pats win and for less money. If we had been 1-6 instead of 6-1 then yeah, maybe some people would be pissed or let down or whatever, but we’re not. Like they say, winning solves a lot of problems.
3. I get this argument the “bad news” scenario. However, it’s not Mankins fault, contract dispute or no, that he is naturally a more talented/better player than these people. Whatever your personal feelings towards this whole thing (which by the way I was completely against everything Mankins has said and done since it began) you can not tell me or anyone that Mankins isn’t more valuable than say Matthew Slater? Can you? Who would be cut? some fringe guy that realistically has had no impact in any game. Of course whoever it is hasn’t said a word to the media about anything(because no one cares) so that makes the a better and more valuable person or teammate right?
Can anyone here honestly say they have never felt “let down” by a friend? I doubt it. And did you automatically stop being friends with that person(s) every time it happened or did you get over and move on. Honestly it’s pretty unfair to these players, any players, to project what we WANT them to do or how we think they should act just so we can feel better on Sunday. I think players in the league realize this and that is why they won’t get all booty like we would here. They are all in the same position especially with the whole CBA thing and a possibility of no football next year. Could anyone here live for a full year with no paycheck. I’m not ashamed or embarrassed to say that I certainly couldn’t.
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
Yeah in general your points are true
But in this specific instance, people familiar with the locker room dynamics tell us it won’t be a problem because Mankins is one of those guys that is really well liked in the locker room, and especially among the linemen.
I don’t see how this has anything to do with Warren, Woodhead, Crumpler etc.
The only person who would be disapppointed by this would be Conolly, and that sucks for him but he knows as well as anyone that though he’s worked hard, he’s not as good as Mankins. Besides, he’ll probably get his chance again soon ish anyway, especially if Mankins ends up leaving.
As for the Patriots being better with Mankins, umm how about the fact that he’s a multiple time all-pro and one of the best (arguably THE best) player at his position in all of football. So yeah, he might be kinda helpful.
Connolly might not even get bumped from starting if Mankins returns...
I’d seriously consider slotting Mankins into LG as soon as he’s capable (even immediately) and dropping Koppen for Connolly. Connolly’s played C before, he’s played pretty well at LG this season, and the only skills in which he’s been deficient – pulling and trapping – he wouldn’t have to worry about at C.
He’d have to be able to call the line adjustments like Koppen does, but he has done them before as a backup C, he must know them all by now (as starting Guard for several games), and any ground he loses for not being as experienced as Koppen he makes up for by being physically superior to Koppen. Even snapping isn’t so much of an issue with Brady being behind C more often instead of taking snaps in the shotgun.
Koppen’s been manhandled by 3-4 NTs all season, and he wasn’t exactly superb even against the ageing Williams wall this past game.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Yeah that could be a possibility
I’d still prefer Koppen to anchor it just from a chemistry/continuity standpoint. The Center is like the Middle Linebacker of the offensive line. Sure, there were MLBs faster than Tedy Bruschi, esp in his later years when we routinely got shredded by Sproles types, but its helpful to have a guy who can sort everyone out. Blocking schemes are much more complex that just “ok fellas, I got 52 who ya got?” with man, zone, hybrid calls, blitz calls, etc. With that said, I wouldn’t exactly be upset either if Conolly starts over him cause like you said he’s been a little overpowered at times the last few years
I figure that if they trust Connolly to be a LG, C and RG backup...
he must know all the line adjustment calls anyway – the fact they trust him to play both left and right guard means he has a good grasp of how both sides of the O-line operate. And as a FB, he’s got that added knowledge about how the RB runs.
I figure if Hoodie trusts him to play at 4 positions (5 if you count the occasional snaps he took at TE when they were short), then Belichick clearly rates him as a cerebral enough player to understand all the blocking adjustments of all 5 spots. If he’s trusted enough to play the plays at those spots, he can likely call them, too.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Another thing to consider too I think
He’s obviously not going to start again from day 1 right? Well once he starts practicing with the team again, he may very well just outpeform everyone at practice and make it clear again “oh yeah, Mankins is pretty damn good. Of course we should start him again”
And again, you never know how injuries and stuff might shake out (knock on wood)
I realize that most likely none of us posting on this site would complain if we were "only" offered 7 mil a year
and that pro athletes don’t deserve, or generally get our sympathy in regards to contract disputes but that’s unfair. Their pay scale and the “normal person’s” pay scale just aren’t the same. It may be unfair or misguided or whatever, but that’s the way it is. I personally am trying to support a girlfriend and toddler on ~40 grand a year and I feel that’s not enough. I also realize that I am doing much much better than some. Same thing applies. Yeah he was offered 7 mil or whatever it was, but he felt that wasn’t enough which is completely up to him and set by the market in which he’s employed and his performanceto this point in his career. You can’t hold it against a person for thinking they are worth something, even if you disagree with that value.
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
I know we are all pissed at Mankins and rightfully so
but I am ready to move on and get him on the field to make us a better team. Perhaps if we were 3 and 3 and had major O-line issues then I would continue to be pissed, but we have the best record in the league, and potentially now improving our team.
Oh, I am only trying to save Logan's "high character" and "dignity".
You know, he said he is a high character guy, a man of his words, a man with dignity, who will never play in Patriots uniform. I do not want to see him as a Patriot, because that would make him a classless lier. Or, maybe should be a special rule for Mr. Mankins, wich would allow him to play in a “This is not a Patriots uniform, only looks very similar” shirt.
by frogfromthemud on Nov 2, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
A man of his words/high character wouldn’t sign players to non-guaranteed contracts where a “3 year contract” doesn’t mean a “3 year contract”?
by quadruple option on Nov 2, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I can kinda get where he's coming from TBH
But his agent just threw Mankins under the bus and made him look terrible.
Mankins thought he was underpaid (which he was, to an extent). He signed a longer than usual rookie deal (which favours the team as they have control of him longer for cheaper). He approached the team about getting what he deserves, and he thought (we don’t know if this is true) that something was going to be worked out. It didn’t, and he got pissed and wanted to “stand up for what he believes in”, giving up millions of dollars to do so. Misguided, but still.
And now for something completely different
Congratulations to the San Francisco Giants!
didn’t he start as a rookie? if he could handle it then with 0 nfl experience im sure he’ll be fine now. might need a week or 2 to get in shape but i’d put him in as soon as he was game ready.
I bet he's in good shape.
Because he was asking for a trade out of NE.
by Illini.Patriot on Nov 2, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Still might take time to get acclimated to NFL speed though
Revis was supposed to be in good shape but he still wasn’t completely ready and got himself hurt
Good point, I might have overlooked that.
by Illini.Patriot on Nov 2, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Mankins is a big guy...
who knows how much weight he put on skipping offseason activities. BB might probably would be most displeased if he shows up today 20 lbs out of shape…
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 2, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
They have a two-week roster dispensation
Which means they don’t have to cut anyone for two weeks (although they do if Mankins makes the game-day roster).
They have two weeks to work him into football shape, and if he gets there early, they can use him (but have to cut someone at that point).
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Correction J-Ace he was hurt trying to cover the man he deemed a "slouch"
Pride kept him away for so long.
Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!
Hey.... Maybe Manx Could
…just have a presss conference and recite copies of all the nice things Randy Moss has said about the Patriots in the last few days. You know, as kinda one overpaid ungrateful football malcontent to another? That might help to smooth things over.
Trade Mankins to Minnesota for a 1st I say!!
Favre would demand him so the Chin stays unbroken.
by quadruple option on Nov 2, 2010 5:12 AM EDT reply actions
trade deadline passed...
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
Thank goodness for that...
Could you please tell your Raiders that we need a top 15 draft choice?
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 2, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Brad Childress might not know that. So, we get his money and he opens his fist to find the equivalent of magic beans!
by quadruple option on Nov 2, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Bring hi up to speed. If he's up to speed:
Light, Mankins, Conelly, Neal, Vollmer
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!
We'll see
We’re doing okay without him, but if he does well on the practice field and ‘earns’ playing time like everyone else, then I expect he could win his spot back. He knows he’ll get more money as a free agent if he can prove he’s still got it, and worst case it’s just nice to have some depth
"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
Mankins will be starting within a couple weeks.
Belichick isn’t going to apply any sort of arbitrary waiting period. Mankins is going to get reps in practice, and he’s going to start once they feel like he’s in sync with the offense. With Conolly’s versatility, Stephen Neal could be the odd man out, here. He’s really the weak link in the line.
Neal CONSTANTLY grades out as the best run blocker in the Pats OL, better than Mankins even.
by quadruple option on Nov 2, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say Koppen is the weak link
He’s been manhandled by all the 3-4 NTs thus far, and badly. Half the sacks have come through his area, or through the Guards when they pick up the slack on the NT.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
There's something to be said
For 4 out of the 5 linemen (Mankins, Light, Neal, Koppen) playing together on the line for 5 years now since Mankins was drafted. As they say, continuity and chemistry is THE most important thing for good line play
On the fence
I was expecting this idiot to show up with a mere six games on the schedule. Now he shows up with TEN. A part of me want to let it go and do the “bygones be bygones” approach. The other side of me (which I believe is the bigger side) just can’t get ove the fact this guy dissed the team and the ownership, which I believe is a diss on the New England fans. I’m looking for a sign that shows me this guy has humbled himself and is willing to be a role-player on a franchise that hundreds of other players would love to play for. Signing with TEN games as opposed to signing with just SIX is a baby step but just not enough for this fan….. NOT YET.
If he's willing to come in and play unselfishly, there is no reason to turn him down.
What happens off the field stays off the field (barring, of course, criminal activity). If a player of Mankins’ caliber is willing to come onto this team, work his butt off and play unselfish football (how can a guard play selfish football, anyway?), he deserves to play. All the nonsense that went down b/w he and the Krafts is meaningless. What he thinks about the fans is meaningless. What he wants for a contract is meaningless. The only thing that matters is that he’s willing to play hard, keep his head down and contribute however the team asks him to.
I couldn’t care any less about what he thinks of me or my fellow fans. The notion that a player needs to have a certain acceptable level of publicly displayed humbleness in all dealing with management to be an effective team football player is absurd (case in point: Vince Wilfork). These stilted conversations about a player’s “lack of respect for the fans” are tiresome, droll and the putrid byproduct of the non-stop talky-talk sports media punditry. Let’s just see this for what is was and move on: a financial dispute between labor and management (happens ALL the time) that got personal (also, happens ALL the time). Humans can be fickle and sometimes make poor decisions based on irrational perceptions, but that doesn’t mean they are warped, evil and wantonly disrespectful of everyone around them.
Give Mankins a break. He made a stupid decision. It probably took a LONG time for him to convince himself to swallow his pride and come back at all, let alone early. He’s not the first person to find himself in a situation where he now feels like a fool because he’s come to a realization that he made a long and drawn out display of acting studiply based on an initial poorly-advised decision. He’s human. He has pride and self-respect. He also has a right NOT to like the Krafts (how many people actually do like their bosses, anyhow?). He shouldn’t be crucified for failing to lay prostrate at the foot of the Altar at Patriot Place and beg forgiveness from the Deity of Patriots’ Second Chances (naturally, Steve Grogan).
Agreed with much of what you said….. but not enough for me to change my perspective.
nb, there’s reasons why the Pats are one of the most desireable, respected and successful teams in all of football. That is, the way the team is run. Your notion that a player can simply work hard, play unselfishly, and keep his mouth shut is easier said than done. I believe history shows a disgruntled player will serve as a cancer in the locker room far too often than the consumate professional you seem to describe. Heck, Moss was on the verge of becomming a similar form of cancer before he was traded.
The Oakland Raiders have long tried to utilize your philosophy, bringing in talented yet outspoken players who speak their minds all too frequently. This causes chaos in the media and a $hitload of distractions for the entire team. Then, it all gets blamed on the head coach for having an inability to corral his players…. WHAT BS!
I don’t care about Mankins pride. I also don’t care if he has any remorse over the way he handled himself. What I do care about is the media mess it could become if he doesn’t deal with it right off the bat. The cameras are going to be zeroed in on every single facial expression he has during practices and games over the next several weeks until the media finds something new to write about. If they catch even a glimpse of disgust at management decision, it’ll create a mess. I can just see it now…. The reporters are going to be driving the other linemen crazy looking to get a sound-byte out of one of them. If just one makes a “human mistake” (as you put it) and says something controversial, we now have a media storm in the locker room. I personally believe much of that can be avoided if he comes in with a slightly humble persona, even if the majority of it is an act.
I don’t blame any player if they elect to play hard ball in negotiations. I do blame them when they act classlessly. You’re right, Mankins is human and absolutely deserves a mulligan for acting like an idiot. God knows how many mulligans I’ve used up! But, mulligans sometimes come at a price… Just about all of my mulligans came as result of admitting….. “Yep, I was a di*khead….My bad…. sorry gang!” Mankins doesn’t have to give some false emotional speech and pledge his alliegence to the almighty Pat in the sky… but he owes this franchise a little something after dissing it publically. They didn’t do that to him!
Although you went a tad overboard in sharing it, the piece I do agree with is the your opinion about the fans. The management and ownership should always do what they believe is best and not worry about us as a primary concern. History shows that we fans are week to week people depending on WINS.
by Bills friend on Nov 2, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't even have to be an apology.
This is the issue for me….
I don’t care what Mankins feels, the management feels, the owner feels or what the fans “feel”…. I only care about how his return will impact the team as a whole.
As for the “public apology”… If it’s some sort of pre written speech. I just don’t think that’ll work.
When a professional athelete handles himself in a socially poor manner, the media is quick to swarm the entire team to find newsworthy bull$hit. It puts them all in awkward situations in which they all have to put on their respective masks and say the most appropriate things lest they only stir up the bees nest. Logan’s return will put them back into a similar quandry and that creates locker romm tension. I believe it’s up to Mankins to recognize that and somehow put an end to it early.
To answer your question, I"M NOT SURE! I think the most obvious example is some sort of casual apology some afternoon during practice. Nothing big and certainly nothing rehearsed. Something like the “my bad” example I gave above. If that doesn’t work for Logan, I’m certain it can be done in alternative ways as well. I just can’t think of a better one at this second. The goal would be to insulate and shelter the rest of the franchise from having to respond for his prior foolishness.
I fear you may be thinking I expect he apologize for holding out or demanding top dollar. NOT AT ALL. Dude….. Making this right is skill we teach our children at an early age. He doesn’t have to answer for his opinion, just his reaction!
by Bills friend on Nov 2, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you concerned about his impact on the team
or his PERCEIVED impact on the team? This team has already had more than its fair share of media spotlights this season, and they’ve weathered them just fine. Belichick has created a pretty solid locker room over in Foxboro. The media might huff and puff about a Mankins frowny face, but that doesn’t mean the team is getting swept up in his perceived negativity, or the media’s overblown, reactionary negativity.
If the whole Moss debacle didn’t derail this team, I can’t foresee a Mankins return having any sort of real impact whatsoever. Let the mediots bloviate about how he’s a cancer and will poison the atmosphere – this season’s Patriots have already proven them wrong time and time again.
I hope the impact is non-existent
The Moss thing has turned out to be a non issue because it went off amicably. This Mankins situation went off with him calling out his bosses as “liars” publically. I’m fairly certain any of us regular folk would either be out of a job or quickly transferred to the “mailroom” if we chose to handle ourselves the way Logan did. I don’t see how being a talented athelete trumps those same standards from taking place in sports.
I very much agree with your assessment that it won’t derail the team either way. I also admit my opinion about this situation comes from both personal and an objective perspective. I guess it’s just happenstance that both perspectives funnel down to the same opinion.
I respect your opinion and apreciate the debate.
Yet you forget
…you’re just a fan. What’s “enough” for you doesn’t matter. What I think is “enough” doesn’t matter.
And honestly, the fact we just happened to hear about this cause it’s a professional athlete makes it unusual? Like nbradley said, it happens all the time, and it doesn’t take that much. We are human.
Who gets cut?
That’s the bad thing, an offensive line is some much more about jelling as a unit not the singular entity stuff most of the rest can get away with in football. One of the young linebackers/DB’s get cut? Need to get this guy signed line term or cut his butt loose, loyality is a two way street, it’s in the Pats hands now Mankins called the pot.
There are a few possibilities.
Wheatley, Wilhite, Sergio Brown, Kyle Love, Fred Taylor (to the IR), Crable, Wendell.
I think Wendell is the most likely cute, because he’s the backup guard.
I think Wendell is coming down with a little Foxboro flu ... yeah, I hear the sniffles now....
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 2, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Wendell is also the most likely cut.
I’m not sure about the most likely cute. My sources indicate a few other Patriots lead him on that list.
Either Love, Wendell or LeVoir
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If this Mankins guy has been an ass at another team, but was available for us at this time of the year, I'd say go for it.
The line play has been good, but NOT outstanding, and I’m a bit concerned with depth. The entire left side and the center has been man-handled at times, and yes, we’ve still won. Yet, it only takes one hit to lose the franchise QB, lest anyone forget.
I don’t like what Mankins did, and I’m NOT sure we’re better off WITH him at all. He may have a bad attitude, and LET someone hit Brady. He may be out of shape and a liability. It’s not: We’re better with Mankins (period). It’s: We’re better with Mankins (question mark).
Let him come back and make him earn a start if he wants it. Best man plays. It’s that simple. Let him get splinters and traded if he’s an out of shape ass.
He’s a good (fresh) player avaliable to us during a time of year when players are getting more and more beat up. This, to me, isn’t a moral high grounds question. We just may need the extra legs before long. That’s how I see it.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 2, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions
if he lets someone hit brady
he’ll be out of a job, no team would want to sign a guy who does that. I still would want him to play. he’s coming back three weeks earlier than needed, and i gaurentee you most of the playerse in the locker room still like him (brady included). Players don’t often hold grudges against each other, so I think we’ll be fine in that regard. In belicheck i trust.
Dick Butkus, Former Chicago Bears Linebacker
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."
You make it sound like
He wasn’t playing because he was mad at the other players. That’s not the case, he was mad at management. Why would he let that affect the guys on the team who we are told he is good friends with?
I wouldn't dress him the rest of the year.
Bob Kraft describing the first time he met Tom Brady: "He looked me in the eye and added, 'I'm the best decision this organization has ever made."
then they would cut him
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There are a lot of really well thought out, lengthy comments here
So I think it only appropriate to skip any and all of them that might have made my point, refuted it, or refuted the refuting, and just say “Good, we need him.”
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