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Week 10 Patriots vs Steelers: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

Three times the charm? (Photo by Chris McGrath/Getty Images)

The Patriots managed to rebound from their shellacking at the hands of the Cleveland Browns with a fantastic win in Heinz Stadium against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Here's what's what.

The Ugly

Penalties: There were some pretty lousy mistakes that made this game last to the final set of downs. A questionable pass interference call by Brandon Meriweather gave the Steelers the ball with a short field to score when it could have kept the Steelers out of even just field goal range. The Patriots have the Steelers too many second chances and cannot afford to have these mistakes against other top teams.

Defenders of Mike Wallace: Wallace is a burner receiver and was able to take advantage of the Patriots' coverage. Kyle Arrington, normally the player asked to cover the speedy receivers, was unable to control Wallace as the Steelers' receiver found pockets in the coverage down field. Devin McCourty also looked rough in coverage of Wallace just because of his inability to keep pace with Wallace. While the secondary was bailed out because of the fantastic pressure by the front seven, the Patriots need to figure out a way to contain such talented and fast players like Wallace.

4th Quarter Defense: Yes, they managed to score a defensive touchdown. They also allowed three quick touchdown drives to keep the Steelers in the game. The Patriots knew the Steelers needed to take some deep shots to stay in the game, yet they left open coverage underneath and the Steelers were able to pick up 20+ yards at a time and scored in 3:11, 1:48 and 1:24. The defense is young and is learning, and this next week is when they need to focus on controlling the clock on defense. They need to be able to dictate opposing offenses, especially in crunch time, and they need to get off the field quickly- but by means of punt or turnover, not an allowed touchdown.

Darius Butler: How far this young corner has fallen. After starting the first two games of the season, and then seeing his role diminish, Butler has hit bottom as a healthy scratch. The Patriots went into the game with only Devin McCourty, Kyle Arrington and Jonathan Wilhite at cornerback. What's up with Butler? He needs to shape up quickly, or he might have to get comfortable with staying on the inactive list.

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The Bad

The Utilization of Aaron Hernandez: Where was Herndo this whole game? His absence was part of a game plan that worked, but one has to wonder what's happened to Herndo. The offense functioned extremely well without him, but it would still be nice to see him get involved. The Patriots favored the two tight end set all game, featuring Alge Crumpler and Rob Gronkowski. Hopefully Hernandez can find a way to get on the field next week.

Special Teams Defense: Every time the Steelers had a return, it made me have a heart attack. It seemed as if they were always one step away from breaking free and the Steelers always had phenomenal field position. The return defense unit needs to work a bit in order to prevent opposing teams from getting great returns- especially with Devin Hester and C.J. Spiller in the future.

Pat Chung's Health: Chung rejoined the ranks and made an immediate impact on defense. He played pretty well, despite getting taken to school by Antwaan Randle El. Randle El ran slant routes that Chung couldn't defend. Beyond that, Chung played well and was the main reason the Steelers couldn't generate a consistent run game. He was stopping plays left and right and was a force that the defense had been missing. His health, not his performance, falls under "bad' as he was injured twice during the game. He may need an extra week to get back up to speed since he seemed a little dinged up.

The Utilization of Jermaine Cunningham: For some reason, the Patriots decided to go with Tully Banta-Cain all game and Cunningham ended up not recording a stat. Only the coaches know why Herndo and Cunningham weren't used on Sunday, but hopefully they can stay engaged. When Shawn Crable sees the field more than Cunningham, it means something is up- especially against a run heavy team like the Steelers, which plays to Cunningham's strength.

The Good

Tom Brady:  What a game by Brady against the best defense in the league. He destroyed them. He picked them apart after looking inept against the Browns. His foot looked like no trouble and he was aware in the pocket. He was hit as many times by BenJarvus Green-Ellis as he was by any single opposing defensive player. He was at his best and had his accuracy back. One long pass into the end zone to Brandon Tate sort of drifted and was almost intercepted, but that's how wild the Heinz Stadium air flow is. Brady was at his best and hopefully can perform at such a high level for the rest of the season. His fire on the side lines definitely had a positive impact.

The Passing Game: Four players with over 50 yards. Six players with multiple receptions. And none of them were Aaron Hernandez. The spread offense was firing on all cylinders and showed how potent the offense can be when everything is running smoothly. Players were getting open, Wes Welker was being targeted, easy passes weren't being dropped and the chains kept moving. Deion Branch quietly had a phenomenal game with 7 receptions for 71 yards. Everyone played their part to perfection.

Rob Gronkowski: The rookie had to get his own section. He rebounded from a terrible week against the Browns, where it could be argued that he lost the game for the Patriots. He rebounded with an incredible performance. He caught every pass in his direction (5 for 5) for 72 yards and 3 touchdowns. He stayed on the field for most of the game and helped create lanes for the running backs, but also kept opposing pass rushers away from Tom Brady.

The Running Game: After playing Houdini against the Browns, BenJarvus Green-Ellis had a solid game. He was a reliable runner as the game wore on and took the heart away from the Steelers. The offensive line and tight ends were great in the run protection as they were opening lanes left and right for the running backs. Logan Mankins played at a high level, as did the rest of the line. The running game functioned, which allowed the play-action pass to work extremely well and give Brady plenty of time to look down the field for receivers.

The Utilization of Mike Wright: I've often harped on the performance of Mike Wright. I believe that he isn't the right type of player to stop the run in the Patriots defense. The Patriots decided to play a defensive line of Vince Wilfork, Brandon Deaderick and Ron Brace against the run for a lot of the game, which opened up lanes for Pat Chung and Jerod Mayo. Wright wasn't on for many run plays. He managed to stop a draw play in the backfield, but that was on a passing down and play- which is still a great heads up play. Wright was utilized as a left defensive end (instead of his typical right defensive end position) and played next to Wilfork and Gerard Warren on passing downs. Wright stunted around Wilfork for most of the game to get an open lane to Ben Roethlisberger. Wilfork took on Steelers' center Mike Pouncey, while Gerard Warren was double teamed by their left tackle and guard. Wright split between Wilfork and Warren in a pick and roll as the right guard, who was blocking Wright, is picked by Wilfork and Pouncey. Wright was able to run to Big Ben unblocked. This is how Wright should be used- he shouldn't be used to square up and try to beat opposing linemen. He should be used to run around linemen due to his burst and speed.

The Run Defensive Line: Brace, Wilfork and Deaderick did a great job of slowing the run early and preventing the Steelers from generating early offense. Chung and Mayo greatly benefited from this defensive line, and I'm sure that this line will be used in the future against other run heavy teams. All three players demand double teams, which allows other Patriots defenders to attack the running back at will.

The Pass Rush Defensive: Warren, Wilfork, Wright, Tully Banta-Cain, Shawn Crable, Gary Guyton. These were the players who took the field against the pass. Crable generated plenty of pressure, Guyton was used on blitzes, Banta-Cain showed flashes of last season's success, Wright made Ben's life hell, and Wilfork and Warren opened lanes all over the Steelers' offensive line.

The Offensive Line: In both the pass and the run game, the offensive line gave plenty of protection. The Steelers were playing without their top two defensive ends, but Brady still had more time than he knew what to do with in the back field. Logan Mankins has been a great addition to the offensive line and Dan Connolly performed like natural in the right guard slot. Hmmm...

Zoltan Mesko: Dealing with a new long snapper, Mesko had one heckuva day. On the missed extra point, the new long snapper Matt Katula flipped the ball high and wide and Mesko was unable to adjust the ball in time- something that will be worked out with more time. As a punter, Mesko was beyond words. He punted five times. His first was a touchback. The next two pinned the Steelers in their own red zone. The punted the next one from the Patriots 27 yard line and sent the ball 50 yards into Steelers territory. His final kick, once again, pinned the Steelers in their red zone. Mesko's emerging as a star punter and has played fantastic football this season.

Coaching Staff: The coaches get props for refocusing this team after such a terrible loss. The team functioned like a well oiled machine and moved the ball at will and, until the fourth quarter, looked like a steel wall. Hopefully another solid week of practice follows this performance as the Patriots gear up to play the Indianapolis Colts.

Great game! Moving on to the Colts!

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Good to see Gronkowski bounce back like that.
Also; What are the chances the Patriots work out a new kicker?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 15, 2010 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

They might, but it's slim pickings this time of year.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Mesko practices at it a bit just in case.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 15, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Relatedly I had no idea Gosto was hurt THAT bad

It seemed to go from sore to IR fast then Tate runs a 40

by JonnyNYC on Nov 15, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how long he'd been carrying it

His kickoffs were short last week, and while I figured it was a scheme thing (taking Josh Cribbs out of the game), now I have to wonder whether he’d been tweaked for a while.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, definitely

If he’s got a hammy injury in a position where he has to maintain a lot of reps to keep his consistency, he’ll either overwork himself and stay injured, or he’ll underwork himself to get healthy and lose his rhythm. It’s a no-win, and if they’d kept him on the roster, they’d invite him to be awful at some point in the playoffs.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The report was that he tore a quad

If that’s true, he was put on IR because there’s no way he can gut out the rest of the season or even come back in a few weeks, not to save a roster spot.

by RSNexile on Nov 15, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think the kick was Graham's total fault...

…it was an awful snap and that’s on Katula, and then it’s on Mesko to fix the snap and it seemed like it was off-kilter, which changes the total kick. I think it’s excusable because he made some pretty good field goals in a really tough kicker’s stadium.

by Richard Hill on Nov 15, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

He did better than the Steelers kicker in the Steelers stadium

But he’s not Gostkowski :(

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The field conditions were terrible

Mush. I’ll reserve judgment until after next week.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Nov 15, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Pittsburgh is routinely one of the worse stadiums for placekickers

even when the weather is perfect.

There is a reason the Steeler’s have been tolerant of Reed missing so many FGs this year: Because prior kickers and visiting kickers have usually done much worse!

If Reed kicked for a domed stadium team, he’d probably have much, much better numbers!

by mmmmm on Nov 15, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

or a new career....

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 15, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

true

his current numbers would never be tolerated inside any dome stadium!

by mmmmm on Nov 15, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

why so quick to give up on Graham?

One missed XP is not a reason to kick the guy out – especially since it was caused by a bad snap and subsequent bad hold!

He made all the other kicks we asked of him.

I’ve followed Graham’s career before since I had him on my FF team a few years back. He’s no Ghost, but he’s better than average and he’ll be fine. He’ll get better as the games go forward and he has more time working with Katula and Mesko.

People underestimate just how much teamwork is involved in getting FGs and XPs to work.

by mmmmm on Nov 15, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Spoiled from Gostkowski

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 15, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

...and that V guy before him?

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 15, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I didn’t see him as much… I only started watching like, four years ago.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 15, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Must you mention him in the week he is visiting?

by dannijd on Nov 15, 2010 6:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

good post i disagree some on the ugly

although its hard to find the ugly of yesterdays game. but going into the fourth quarter wallace was being held in check. and into the 4th quarter the pats went into prevent defense and mike wallace went off underneath. and i think they purposely went with gronk and crumpler and not aaron hernandez cause of the gameplan. this game wasnt as close as the score indicated.

by brady12mvp3 on Nov 15, 2010 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

This was also when Chung was in and out of the game

 which is not only a loss of his talents but creates some confusion on who is doing what, where and how in the D backfield.

by JonnyNYC on Nov 15, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly.

Most of Wallace’ 4th qtr receptions were very specifically right in the mid-field gap between the outer zones and under the deep safety zones. It is not fair to say our guys couldn’t cover him when in that scenario they were not simply supposed to ‘cover him’ – they were primarily to protect the sidelines so as to keep the clock moving.

by mmmmm on Nov 15, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if it was a plan to keep Troy Polamalu out of the game

By using the bigger TEs in Gronk and Crumpler, the Pats were inviting the Steelers to waste Polamalu by tagging him on a TE (and then likely running down his throat, meaning he’d get beaten up), or inviting them to use a lesser player to cover the TE (like that CB Gay) and then bleeding them. The Steelers tried to match the TEs up with the latter, with the hope Polamalu would be free to make plays. Instead Gronkowski just annihilated Gay whenever they were in one-on-one matchups.

If Hernandez had been on, Gay might’ve had a chance of slowing him down. Without Hernandez, Gay had to cover Gronk and it was a mismatch that had Brady licking his chops. Three TDs over Gay later, and I have to say that plan was pretty good.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

And this is what they should be doing to EVERYBODY.

No team in the NFL is deep enough to effectively cover Welker, Branch, Tate, Gronk and Herndo at the same time (or just the first 4 and replace Herndo w/ Alge as a blocker). The Pats are assured at least one mismatch on every single play. It was nice to finally see them make use of the depth of their receiving corps, and I don’t see why this shouldn’t prove to be some kind of blueprint (obviously tweaked for each opponent) going forward.

by nbradley07 on Nov 15, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

To some extent

This was perfect against the Steelers, but on the flipside, against a Cover-2 team like the Colts or Vikings I’d expect to see a lot of Hernandez and Tate. Both had success running up seams – Hernandez between the Safeties and Tate between the CB and Safety. Gronk’s size wouldn’t hurt, but they’re likely to key on him and gang-tackle the daylights out of him just because he’s so obviously a size mismatch. Hernandez might lull a Cover-2 team into a sense of complacency just because he looks more like a WR, and because he shifts around in the backfield far more often to find mismatches.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Hill....you have to add Crable to the Good section

He finally got a sack!!!….well half a sack…..Wright stole the other!

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 15, 2010 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

He was active on the field as well

Pushing the pile to and BBR to other defenders and really using his speed rush against the hotel. If Crable can develop his leg strength without compromising his quickness, he could really be something.

by JonnyNYC on Nov 15, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Hernandez

It seemed to me like the Pats were most concerned with picking up the Steelers’ blitzes, and Herndo is by far the #3 blocker on the TE unit. That’s why Crumpler and Gronk played so much more. I’m sure the usual mix will be back next week — the Colts defense isn’t built quite so heavily on the blitz and Brady is going to need Herndo’s pass catching skills more than Crumpler and Gronk’s blocking.

by RSNexile on Nov 15, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

Wouldn't surprise me if Herndo is used as a chip blocker on Freeney on his way to a route next week.

He lines up as a fullback sometimes, and it would be a natural thing to do.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 15, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I would think Herndo (we really need a nickname here) may line up outside on DBs

Tate is a good option but I really like the idea of Hernandez out on in the flat against smaller DBs. Especially with Brady under center, this creates a lot of good options for running plays, where Herndo isn’t a great blocking TE, but I think he’s more then adequate against DBs and play action.

I’d prefer they call a spade a spade and not bother wasting Herndo on chipping out of the back field vs getting out in a pattern.

by JonnyNYC on Nov 15, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I see where you're coming from, but last year Vollmer had a load of help vs Freeney.

I’m sure Light will as well. While they can park Gronk and Crump in there to help, having other options is good, and Herndo lines up in the backfield some in formations.

Also Herndo isn’t a great pass blocking linebacker, but he is a good inline blocker on runs. He can’t handle DT and DEs, but LB’s he’s good with.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 15, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of Freeney

Anyone else notice Tully Banta-Cain impersonating him yesterday with that spin move??? It worked.

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by Marima on Nov 15, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

lol....i said the same thing in the game thread

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 15, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Beating a Cover-2 is about exploiting seams

So in passing situations I’d rather like seeing Tate and/or Hernandez lining up in the slot. Putting them in corner routes and/or in deep posts splitting the Safeties would mean the Safeties can’t cheat up or cheat out and cover sidelines to slow Welker/Branch down. If the Safeties give them too much room, another 65-yard TD to Tate is on the cards. Bleed them short or gouge them deep, all with the same personnel package.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He'll also find himself getting on the stat sheet more

when he stops dropping passes that are thrown to him.

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by JohnHannahRules on Nov 15, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Riding the pine might fix that.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 15, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

the Colts defense isn’t built quite so heavily on the blitz and Brady is going to need Herndo’s pass catching skills more than Crumpler and Gronk’s blocking

Agreed wholeheartedly. Tate and Hernandez are perfect for ripping up the seams of a Cover-2, as the Vikings found out a while back.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Methinks Chung was brought back too soon?

I would’ve sat him out and give him that to prepare for Reggie Wayne.

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by R_Adragna on Nov 15, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

Got to win A before you get to B

Had to win in Pittsburgh, after last week in Cleveland and with what’s ahead this was a big game for the Pats. Chung may not have been 100%, and I too am worried about him finishing the season, but there was no way to me he shouldn’t play if he could play.

by JonnyNYC on Nov 15, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

With any luck, he’ll be ready to go for Indy and can sit against Detroit where he won’t be needed quite so desperately. That would give him two weeks to rest up for the Biplanes in the game that will most likely determine who wins the division.

by RSNexile on Nov 15, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think the Patriots would have won so strongly without Chung...

…he was incredible in run defense and that stopped the Steelers from getting any sort of offense.

by Richard Hill on Nov 15, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah - Chung was a huge impact this week.

the first injury was clearly un-related to his knee injury. I’m not sure about the second one.

by mmmmm on Nov 15, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Chung was a factor, don't get it twisted

But to me, he wasn’t THE factor. Last night was mostly the work of the D-Line and Linebackers forcing the issue on Ben and putting a hold to Mendenhall and the run game. Not to mention McCourty, who keeps impressing week after week, and Arrington (to an extent) doing their jobs.

So yes, getting Chung was a big help, but a win would not have been impossible without him given the performance of the rest of the defense.

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by R_Adragna on Nov 15, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I was really impressed with Arrington on that misfire by Roethlisberger in the End Zone

Arrington knew the WR’s route was to jag back infield at some point, so he boxed the guy out and stayed between the WR and centrefield the entire route. The WR never got the chance to break in, and Rothlisberger gunned it down the seam that Arrington never let the WR look at, let alone get into. Brilliant instinctive play – if it had been an out-route or fade, he’d have been mauled. He picked the likely route and played it perfectly – that’s ‘real’ CB instincts at play.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually I give more credit to the blitz on that one

Ben was going to get creamed if he didn’t release that pass and it was really early.

by satsunada on Nov 15, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh sure, you needed to force Roethlisberger to throw it at some point

But the WR was clearly supposed to cut in on a quick-route, and Roethlisberger was standing clean in the pocket waiting for it to happen for long enough he looked really, really frustrated when the WR didn’t emerge. That part’s on Arrington.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

and to flip it around

there were a lot of plays where the coverage held for a looong time before the pressure finally got to Ben or he threw after being flushed.

by mmmmm on Nov 15, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

alge is a heck of a blocker

and i hope chung is ok. our defense is much better with him present.
kudos to woodhead on that big special teams tackle

by sn0wblind on Nov 15, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah - Crump had probably an even better day that Gronk, for his role yesterday.

It is not often that you see a TE so consistently own James Harrison the way that Crump did yesterday and that was a huge part of the Patriot’s reasons’ for success.

by mmmmm on Nov 15, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

To be completely fair, Harrison was playing hurt

Back spasms don’t sound too serious, but they can be debilitating.

by RSNexile on Nov 15, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

supposedly, but he seemed to move pretty spry and got around the corner a couple of times

he just kept running right into Mister Crumpler.

Harrison is an odd character. I don’t know half the time to believe what he says – even about his own health status.

by mmmmm on Nov 15, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

good post, Richard, but I have a few comments

On Merriweather’s PI call – I can’t really hold him responsible for that one. That was a poor call by the official. Merriweather was already looking at and going towards the ball when the WR bumped into him. That should have been an OPI call, if anything. There were at least 5 or more other penalties that were wrongly called in that game. If anything, you should edit the article to add an “Ugly” entry for the officiating, which was monstrously bad.

On defending Mike Wallace and the 4th quarter defense – I know we all get frustrated with the yardage given up by a prevent defense and we have all groaned when in past games the Pats seemed to go into it way too soon. But in this case, with such a big lead, it actually made a lot of sense because while giving up yards and points, they a) kept the Steelers away from the sidelines, using up clock and b) it did lead to a sack and an c) a pick-6. I don’t really give a lot of credit to Wallace’ abilities to beat Arrington or McCourty in that scenario because the Pats were obviously playing zone to take away the sidelines as well as deep and most of his big catches were simply in the gaps between coverage, which is what you are willing to give up. I mean, really – where was he early in the game when we had those guys actually covering him and not an area of the field? You don’t necessarily expect to keep the opponent out of the end zone in that scenario. But you do want them to use up time and you do expect your own offense to get it back – which they did. Basically those 4th quarter garbage stats were just that. I think the name ‘Pointlessburger’ that someone (Comedic.Sans?) came up with during the game thread was pretty much spot on.

On Jermaine Cunningham vs TBC – once we got out to a notable lead, the Steelers were no longer a ‘running’ team. From the drive that started with 3 minutes to go in the 2nd period, the Steelers ran far, far more passing plays than running plays. So it made a lot of sense to have TBC in there so much and to his credit, he played great. He was constantly harassing Pointlessburger all day.

This game was no where near as close as the score makes it seem. Between the refs making several attrocious calls and the allowance by Bellichek for all the garbage time drives (and indeed the Steelers insistence on driving for stats and a pride-salvaging score at the end) it ended up looking a lot closer than it really was.

by mmmmm on Nov 15, 2010 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

I can't say the Patriots prevent defense did anything it was supposed to...

…and it definitely didn’t chew up the clock. The Steelers scored in under 2 minutes twice- definitely not successful prevent defenses.

As for Cunningham, Banta-Cain played for most of the entire game; regardless of run or passing situation, TBC was on the field.

And for Meriweather’s penalty, he initiated contact too early. He puts his body in front of the receiver and doesn’t look for the ball until after the contact. That’s PI every time. It was a tough call, but the defense can’t allow that to happen. When it happens so many times over the course of the season, it starts being less on the officials and more on the players and the Patriots secondary have committed these penalties more than a typical Belichick defense.

by Richard Hill on Nov 15, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The Patriots held Wallace to 2 receptions on 5 targets for 17 yards...

…up until the last quarter explosion of points. From the drive that ended at the start of the fourth, until the end of the game, Wallace was responsible for 121 yard, 2 touchdowns, 6 receptions and a 38 yard PI call. Yeah, he abused the soft coverage. There’s no way the coverage should have been that soft, and the lack of Pat Chung and the emergence of a Steelers’ late running game definitely impacted the defense.

It’s only a matter of time opposing teams start playing offense like the fourth quarter Steelers and I don’t know who on the Patriots defense could stop him.

But I agree, to an extent- the secondary played well early on. They just weren’t able to step up in the fourth. Whether that’s the defensive “scheme” to allow all those yards, it definitely wasn’t the plan to have the Steelers score so quickly. So for that, I have to say 4th quarter defense was still ugly.

by Richard Hill on Nov 15, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

whether the coverage should have been that soft is, I agree, an arguable strategy

(and personally I tend to hate it).

But my main point is that it wasn’t Arrington or McCourty getting personally beat by Wallace. It was the defensive strategy that was enabling him to have success. Our CBs were doing their jobs – whether you & I agree with the directives for those jobs or not.

by mmmmm on Nov 15, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a 'W' on the scoresheet, so I'll take it.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The prevent D failed.

They could have at least kept the clock moving, but they gave up sideline pass after sideline pass. If the offense hadn’t stayed in a groove, it could have been a very different 4th quarter.

On the Meriweather penalty, I think the thing that did it was the (ever so slight) arm bar. I watched that play back a couple times, and it was pretty clear that Meriweather was playing the ball. In so doing, he was obstructing the receivers path to it, which in an of itself is okay, but he threw in a little bit of an arm bar at the last second, and I think that’s what goaded the flag. Ticky-tack call at best, but he’s got to know better than that. Meriweather, as usual, had 95% of the play right, but the crucial 5% wrong.

by nbradley07 on Nov 15, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this...

I HATE bailout PI calls (even when they happen FOR the Patriots), so I was irate about that one, but I liken it to those calls in basketball where it could go either way. Sure, that’s probably not a foul a lot of the time, but you put yourself in a situation often enough, and it will get called SOME of the time. It did bother me that the closest ref didn’t throw the flag until after he saw the back judge throw it. Like he was just trying for referee solidarity.

I would have been less bothered if Welker hadn’t been tackled before the ball got there on the previous possession. Or if Tully had been able to draw one or two more holding flags. (That left tackle was getting abused).

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by Hometown Gyro on Nov 15, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The Welker non-call was the deal-breaker

The refs can be whistle-happy or not, but they can’t be one-sided with the calls. The Steelers held all game, but the refs only call holding on the Pats. Welker gets mauled (AGAIN!) but no call, Meriweather has incidental contact and it gives Pittsburgh the ball near the end zone. Way out of whack.

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by Marima on Nov 15, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I was wondering if that's why Woodley is still alive

There was one particularly blatant late hit — Brady got the pass off and it had already been caught before Woodley hit him — where Mankins (I think it was him, anyway) shoved Woodley right after he blindsided Brady. Woodley got flagged on the play, but I was waiting for Mankins to rip his head clear off his neck and throw it to the Steelers’ sideline.

by RSNexile on Nov 15, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If it's the play I remember, it was Mankins

He gave Woodley a little push, but that was about the same time a flag was thrown into the pocket, which I guess would put a vet O-lineman from taking it further.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Sebass got beat and Woodley hit Brady and Light got pissed and pushed him

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 15, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah...that was bs...i mean..really Woodley...late hit on a Michigan QB...Lloyd Carr should whack him on his head for that hit

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 15, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet it wasn't enough to turn the tide this time.

For all the Zebra’s efforts.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 15, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't you hear...

Because of his tendency to bounce off the turf as good as new, defenders can maul Welker with impunity.

by dannijd on Nov 15, 2010 7:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

go chekcout video clips of Steve Largent

‘Probably the closest archetype that Welker follows as an ’undersized slot reciever who could stop and turn on a dime’. Famous for making acrobatic catches, getting slammed to the turf and popping up like a spring and immediately walking back to the huddle as if nothing happened.

Claimed that even if he was in massive physical pain after a hit he refused to give any sign of it.

Its kinda the reverse of what Jim Brown used to do. Brown ALWAYS got up very, very slowly and deliberately as if he might be hurt, even if he wasn’t. That way the other team would have no way of knowing if he was affected by a hard hit or not.

Here are a couple of fun vids of largent – the second, showing his famous hit on Mike Harden, seems especially Welker-like to me, even though it isn’t about making a catch. The first one is more comprehensive – includes some funny cornball crap about him and Jim Zorn in those goofy early years. Good for a chuckle as well as the great catch highlights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xngEhkD9uuA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHsPheboe7E

by mmmmm on Nov 15, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t say the Patriots prevent defense did anything it was supposed to…
…and it definitely didn’t chew up the clock. The Steelers scored in under 2 minutes twice- definitely not successful prevent defenses.

You have to take the good with the bad. It invited Roethlisberger to try three drives with particularly risky plays. Roethlisberger was perfect in two of them, and scored 14 points. Roethlisberger also sucked in a third one, and jammed it into coverage for a pick-6.

Inviting a multiple-Superbowl winning QB to play risky football and limit him to two good drives and one awful one seems a fair compromise. If he’d misfired two more of those passes, it could’ve been three drives with three pick-6s, and absolutely nobody would be complaining. Saying it’s an awful scheme is probably taking something away from what was quite a good QB performance by Roethlisberger in the last few minutes.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd counter argue that the point of the prevent is to .. well.. prevent long yardage and ballhawk

For as long as we were in the prevent, we should have gotten more interceptions and seen less yardage gained. There was an analyst a while back who pointed out that our guys know the scheme REALLY well and know exactly what position they need to be in to make the coverage work.. the problem is they don’t adapt to fit what the receivers are doing or pay attention to what the quarterback is doing so the normal holes that are there for a smart QB/receiver are really pronounced in that set up. It’s a problem that is fixed with experience and trust but I think that kind of critical point is correct.

by satsunada on Nov 15, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed completely

A prevent D is basically like a Tony Dungy Tampa-2 – everyone has their zones, there’s no blitz, and the aim is to play the same areas time after time perfectly. Doing it consistently gives up completions and makes the opposition cough up time (and shouldn’t give up long, quick TDs on single passes). But a really experienced, well-schooled Tampa-2 will get interceptions and turnovers on top of eating clock. With an average age of 25 on D, the Pats guys are clearly good but inexperienced. Later on in the season with some serious NFL time under their belts, they’ll likely start getting picks and strip-sacks when playing prevent D. They’re still learning their prevent systems and playing them fairly well, but when they’ve actually mastered the system, they’ll get turnovers.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Big Ben was stellar with his throws...

…but it definitely helped that the Patriots defenders were no where near the receivers. The only mishap was on a mid-short throw, at the first down marker. Ben was hitting every single toss 15+ yards away and that’s on the defense. It’s nice to think that we could be talking about how great the defense played if they managed to stop the Steelers- but they didn’t in the prevent defense and they haven’t stopped an offense with the prevent defense in the past couple seasons. Any good quarterback can dissect the prevent defense- case in point: 2009 Peyton Manning, where the Colts came from behind to win.

Next week? Colts and Manning. The Patriots can’t afford to go prevent against the Colts. They didn’t run down the clock or prevent the big play and, if that’s not happening, there’s no point in running prevent.

by Richard Hill on Nov 15, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed again. 100%

Why do I even bother posting here? Tricky Rich and Comedic Sans seem to cover it all (and some of you others too, marima, smp, ninja, to name a few).

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by Hometown Gyro on Nov 15, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the name ‘Pointlessburger’ that someone (Comedic.Sans?) came up with during the game thread was pretty much spot on.

Hah, ’twas I.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 15, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The offense made a very notable change this week

Welker and branch were more involved. And it ws nice to see some consistent passes that were over 10 yrds. Much less checkish than it has been for the past few weeks.

by lololol on Nov 15, 2010 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

It's the first week this year that they haven't made a significant roster move on offence

Whether it was putting RBs on IR or trading out Moss or adding Woodhead or adding Mankins, every other week they had a roster move that would change the scheme. This week, it was consistent.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what they did differently

but they should keep doing it. If that gameplan worked against the Steelers, what defense WOULDN’T it work against?

by nbradley07 on Nov 15, 2010 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

I think this was tailored specifically against the Steelers

And as a counter to a good pass-rushing 3-4, this same sort of scheme could work quite well against the Jets, Ravens, Steelers, Browns and Chiefs. It might also have success against the Saints hybrid scheme.

I’m not sure it’s quite what you’d run against a Cover-2 like the Bears, Colts or Vikings, but they already have a pretty good gameplan against those – Welker/Branch to keep the CBs honest and pressed up, and running Tate from the slot into the seam between CB and S, and Hernandez in the slot testing out the CB/S and between the Safeties.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

might work against the jets too

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 15, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I said!
I think this was tailored specifically against the Steelers
And as a counter to a good pass-rushing 3-4, this same sort of scheme could work quite well against the Jets, Ravens, Steelers, Browns and Chiefs. It might also have success against the Saints hybrid scheme.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

hsshhhh...i hate reading long comments lol

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 15, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I missed the play where Law Firm ran into Brady because the power went out where I was watching the game

Apparently there was a fire in the Chelsea neighborhood I was at last night… anyone have a clip of it? Of the play, that is, not the fire.

by bbismyhero on Nov 15, 2010 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

I think I have it recorded...

but I have no idea how to get it off my DVR…

Time Warner Cable DVR if anybody wants to teach me how :)

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by Hometown Gyro on Nov 15, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome back Chung(hope you'll be good to go next week)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0KS_nSpGcM&feature=player_embedded

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by patriotguy2 on Nov 15, 2010 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

Can we got some props for B'OB ?

I thought the playcalling was excellent in this game.

Normally we’re all here complaining about the playcalling out of the halves, and saying our offense only worked when we went to the no huddle.

Today our first drive out of each half fielded a TD, and our offense seemed in rhythm all day. We saw a lot more creativity than we usually do. There was a lot of fakes, play-actions, fake reverses, etc. We saw a couple of those good snap it, and throw it instantly outside and run for a few yards plays, which I felt had been missing for a few weeks.

by UtopianAverage on Nov 15, 2010 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

wasn't just playcalling...

brady was rarely hesitant. he knew where he was going with the ball and you could see he was playing to a different drummer compared to the browns game. sometimes his decision making is the best there is, and sometimes it is questionable.

by sn0wblind on Nov 15, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd also point out that Brady's accuracy was spot on

I haven’t seen him that accurate since 2007. He was keeping things in a little 10 inch wide spot and that first Gronkowski TD is a great example of that. Whatever got fixed from last week needs to stay fixed.

by satsunada on Nov 15, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not trying to diminish Brady's game

Brady was about as good as it gets against the Steelers.

But for anyone who routinely critisizes B’OB, the least you can say is that this game he called a lot of good plays. Brady went out there and executed, for sure. But the playcalling was good.

by UtopianAverage on Nov 15, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Fully understand

I just wanted to highlight the fact that it wasn’t just the playcalling that has changed since last week. When they put Brady in a slo mo and collinsworth is drooling over his technique, he’s on.

That said, the playcalling was pretty good. It was nice seeing drives die by means of a dropped pass or a penalty killing a first down instead of just bad, no gain plays.

All that said:

Penalties – Yards 10-113

I didn’t realize it was that bad. Wow.. Though a healthy bit of that was the Merriweather PI call.

by satsunada on Nov 15, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

So what front seven should we use for Indy I am thinking tbc crable and wright cuz we know they can’t run to save there lives so thoughts on which front seven to use nxt week ?

by alweezy61 on Nov 15, 2010 3:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I'd be tempted to go for a mix-and-match

Put out a whole lot of odd-looking fronts and mismatches and add confusion, much like what the Saints did in the Superbowl. If Manning gets a rhythm and can read the D, he’ll carve up. There’s probably no point making it easier for him by giving him consistent defensive looks, so even if it means not putting out the best players on every play, giving him a lot of looks is probably the best bet.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i would go 4-2-5

JC/Crable- Wright-Vince/Deadrick/Warren- TBC/ Ninko

                          Mayo-Guyton

McCourty- Arringlton- Butler/Wilhite

Sanders/Chung-Meriweather

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 15, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Jermaine Cunningham couldn't set the edge on Flozell Adams on Mendenhall's 34 yard run

He got absolutely pancaked by Flozell Adams. Yes, he saw limited snaps, but I think that was more of a function of the Patriots utilization of sub-packages. Personally, I feel that he is a better pass rusher than Crable, but Belichick thought otherwise, at least based on Steeler’s personnel.

by Greg Knopping on Nov 15, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

Richard - I'd also add Chung and Sanders to your pass rushing section

Both were used on multiple blitzes and were really effective in generating pressure

by Greg Knopping on Nov 15, 2010 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

According to Mike Reiss

Pats D-backs were pass-rushing 27% of the time, compared to only 7% of the season in general. I suspect that’s why Butler was inactive – they wanted to put Chung, Sanders and Sergio Brown in the slot at various times to allow a blitz and/or nickelback pass-rush.

A lot of it was probably more aimed at pocket-containment than real pass-rush. Ben’s mega-dangerous when passing from outside the pocket, so using the DBs to rush from way outside the confines of the pocket means he can’t run as laterally as he’d like.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

One other thing.. HUGE props to the music guy working the booth for NBC during the game

That man was spot on almost all night. I damn near spewed my drink out laughing at hearing Faith No More’s Epic after a Pats touchdown. Me and the guys I was watching with started in on the chorus and laughed at the Steelers lowlights they were playing. And with Billy Joel, Phil Collins (Another Day in Paradise) and a few others. Dude was in Beast Mode.

by satsunada on Nov 15, 2010 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

+1

I loved the ‘Epic’ riff as well!

by mmmmm on Nov 15, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Brady's Tirade

as some are calling it, has probably been touched upon. I will put my spin on it.

As a Broncos fan, watching Brady’s passion reminded me of McDaniel’s sideline escapades against the Giants last Thanksgiving. After being unable to score TD’s, McDaniel’s shouted at his offense, telling them that they’re trying to win a MF’n game! Needless to say, that pep talk led the Broncos to route.

It was nice to see Tom Terrific and his Luscious Locks get fiery and win the game. Best of luck for the rest of the season guys.

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by Tollyvolley127 on Nov 15, 2010 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks, and same to you.

I like Tommy’s “locks of fury”

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 15, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Gronkowski

After that performance, I think I would want his jersey for Christmas/birthday/whenever I have the funds to purchase an authentic.

Also, ROTY caliber? I believe so.

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by R_Adragna on Nov 15, 2010 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

At this rate, I'd send him to the Pro Bowl

Especially with Dallas Clark injured badly, Gates underperforming and Gonzalez in another division.

by satsunada on Nov 15, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

"Gates underperforming"?

Are you serious? The man is/was leading the league in TD receptions bro.

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by PatNation85 on Nov 15, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

He's also hurt and probably about to sit out another week

He did REALLY well the first few weeks and against Tennessee but I think things will change once Jackson get’s back in the lineup and someone figures out how to get to Rivers better.

by satsunada on Nov 15, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Hah, how quickly we forget last week and/or Hernandez

A Hern was probably on the outside of Pro Bowl/ ROY contention with his yardage and brace of TDs last week (assuming he could do it consistently). Gronk’s rocketed back into the frame.

Complaints? Not so much.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not like they both can't go

And lets’ be honest, they are the best TE in the AFC

by satsunada on Nov 15, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Gates is still the best. Let's calm down people lol

I think we’ll gash Indy mercilessly with the TE’s tho. And they have trouble stopping the run, which as CS pointed out 2 or 3 weeks ago (very nOSTRADAMUS on his part) that the TE’s being apart of the passing plan, opens it up for The Firm.

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by PatNation85 on Nov 15, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying they need to be starters in the game but let's face it, the AFC is pretty thin at that position for Pro Bowl nods

It’s Gates and then.. umm.. maybe Watson? I haven’t seen much from the others but Gronkowski has alot of highlight material and Herndo is capable of putting up some numbers when he’s in. The rest of the AFC is pretty meh.. due to injuries mainly.

by satsunada on Nov 15, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Keller, maybe.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It's funny...

Watson has nigh on identical stats to Hernandez:
9 games 34 rec 436 yards 48.4 ypg 12.8 av 46 long 6.9 yac 18 1st/d 2 TDs
9 games 36 rec 434 yards 48.2 ypg 12.1 av 44 long 3.5 yac 22 1st/d 2 TDs
Top one is Hernandez, the bottom Watson. Hard to tell, right?

Always thought Watson should’ve been split out like Hernandez. Damn.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If you added them together they're the best

But on an individual basis, Antonio Gates would surely get the nod. He’s getting 80 yards per game and over a TD a game, both of which are above his career average. Considering he’s been to the Pro Bowl almost every year of his career, being 10-20% above his career norm is a shoe-in for the Pro Bowl.

If Hernandez were listed on the Pro Bowl vote sheet as a FB/H-back instead of a TE, he might’ve had a shot, but I suspect his lack of TDs will count against him (voters are fickle). If Gronk pulls out another 3 TD/~80 yard game or two, he might get to the Pro Bowl.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm keeping my fingers crossed

Voters are fickle, but they’re also easily swayed by national media it seems. So, if either one of them can grab some attention down the stretch they might have a shot, especially if the team is winning and looking like a strong contender into the post season.

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Nov 15, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

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