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Patriots Bring Back Pierre Woods

Yesterday, the team announced the release of outside linebacker Shawn Crable.  To replace him, the Patriots are bringing back his former Michigan teammate.  Today, the Patriots announced the re-signing of outside linebacker Pierre Woods.

Woods was with the team from 2006-2009 after being signed as an undrafted free agent.  Although he was with the team this offseason and training camp, Woods was a surprise cut at the roster cut-down in early September.

While Woods never really panned out as an every down outside linebacker, he is a very solid special teams player who can also be a force against the run at outside linebacker.  He has even occasionally played at defensive end in the 3-4.  However, don't expect him to frequently be a pass rusher in sub-packages like Shawn Crable was.

This means the Patriots will be a little bit thin in that area.  Tully Banta-Cain and Jermaine Cunningham now project as the top pass rushers in sub-packages, with Rob Ninkovich also an option.  Other possibilities for outside linebacker include Dane Fletcher, who played defensive end in college as well as Brandon Spikes, who lined up as a pass rushing defensive end on occasion while at Florida.  The Patriots could also use a player such as Gary Guyton on a variety of blitzes from sub-packages.

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Without Shawn Crable, are the Patriots too thin in pass rushers?
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They must be planning on busting out a lot of dime and quarter packages

or having more down lineman than usual. This move, I think, indicates that the outside pass rush isn’t a HUGE concern going into the game. Without an imminent need for Crable, then, and in light of the 3 or 4 "returns against them on kickoffs and punts that were one more missed tackle away from a TD, they went for an old reliable ST vet.

by nbradley07 on Nov 17, 2010 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

Funny how it coincided with a game where they used a bunch of inside pass-rush schemes

Mayo, Spikes and Guyton all shooting gaps from ILB, Mike Wright looping and stunting. I wonder if they quite like Fletcher as a versatile LB who can play both inside and out – he’s shown more versatility than Crable after only a dozen games.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Nov 17, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

crable and woods are a wash

crable prob a little faster but woods is a much better on special teams and vs the run.

by brady12mvp3 on Nov 17, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

I think could be good...

…as it sort of forces the Patriots to mix up their defensive packages and looks. While Crable doesn’t have the same impact on defense that Moss had on offense, losing Moss forced the Patriots throw the ball around to a variety of different targets. Losing Crable, and going into the game so thin at OLB, forces the Patriots find other ways to generate pressure.

Guyton looked great with inside pressure and could be used as a stunt OLB, who watches the tight ends in coverage, but also can stunt inside for the pass rush, allowing Spikes to watch the edge against the run. A Cunningham-Mayo-Spikes-Guyton linebacker set would be extremely versatile and could generate pressure in a variety of ways. Hmm…

by Richard Hill on Nov 17, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Which IMO is a good thing

Their outside pass rush hasn’t been the strong point of the front 7 this season (or the past few). Maybe they viewed using a lot of OLB/DE rushes as a waste. Isn’t it fairly standard for BB to want to put his best guys on the field at once, and fit the scheme to them, not sticking to a rigid defensive plan and struggling to find players to fit the required roles?

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Nov 17, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we're looking at a specific strategic shift.

Peyton is no danger as a scrambler, and he doesn’t traditionally do that well on the run. What we need against the Colts isn’t necessarily outside pressure — we just need to get the edge set and keep the pocket tight. What rattles Manning — the extent that you can rattle him — is pressure up the gut.

It’s important to note that we haven’t “lost” Crable. We’ve decided that he is superfluous to our team strategy so he’s been let go — that’s very different. I think what we’re going to be looking at is an effort to bring pressure w/ four guys — 5 at most — with that 5th being a safety/corner as much as an LB. Coverage, jamming up Tamme and Clark, collapse the point of the pocket with pressure up the middle and hit the snot out of them when they catch the ball (calling Patrick Chung).

In short, very similar to the 2003/2004 attack.

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by JohnHannahRules on Nov 17, 2010 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

yes

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 17, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally concur with this.

Break the middle of the protection and force Manning to move laterally.

by mmmmm on Nov 17, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. — Outside linebacker Pierre Woods had been working as a groundskeeper at his alma mater, the University of Michigan, when his phone rang with unexpected news. It was his old team, the Patriots, saying they were interested in re-signing him.

“I didn’t see anything coming. I was very surprised,” Woods said as he walked through the locker room Wednesday morning in a blue hooded sweatshirt, the hood kept over his head so he could remain anonymous.

Later, Woods stopped at his locker and answered questions from reporters on the day he returned to the team in place of Shawn Crable — another former Michigan linebacker — who was waived on Tuesday.

Woods said he never really thought of returning to the Patriots after he was released Sept. 4 on the final roster cutdown day. He figured he’d land with another team, but only had one workout, with the Chiefs.

“Nothing happened, so I was just working out, twice a day. You just have to keep faith,” he said. “It feels great to be back. Everybody accepted me, I’m happy to be back, it’s an opportunity and I’m going to make the best of it. I’m ready to work.”

Woods said he didn’t follow the Patriots too closely, other than keeping in touch with some of his former teammates. He had stopped looking at the waiver wire, and because he didn’t have cable television at his home, he only saw highlights of games while at work.

Woods wore jersey No. 58 in his first stint with the Patriots. With veteran linebacker Tracy White donning 58, Woods will now wear No. 53.

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 17, 2010 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

he should have been coaching the mich d

worst ranked D in the big ten…and i think they are ranked 117 out of 121 FBS schools

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I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
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Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."

by NinjaZX6R on Nov 17, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again he mercifully strikes another NCAA team lol.

Nevermind Michigan Ninja. Iowa is gonna bring the pain this Saturday!

Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!

by PatNation85 on Nov 17, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

like they did to NorthWestern

oh wait nvm

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 17, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll ummmm ummmmm (searching for a clever comeback)

nothing comes to mind. DAMN!!!

Don't cut your locks Tom Terrific!

by PatNation85 on Nov 17, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

ditto...

always felt like the wilhite of lb’s.

by sn0wblind on Nov 17, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

No special team value, which I guess is the kicker.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Nov 17, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd much rather woods then crable

woods has been far more productive in a patriots uniform then crable has.

by brady12mvp3 on Nov 17, 2010 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

No?

The guy has been in the league for 3 seasons and he has a handful of tackles and half a sack to show for it. I’d say expectations of a real impact player are unrealistic at this point. He’s clearly injury prone and potentially lacks the work ethic based on his failing a conditioning test going into training camp. It’s kind of like Fred Taylor: he could be a workhorse back, but he’s always injured (since joining the Patriots, at least). Looking to the future of “what could be” kind of ignores the present reality, which is that Crable never made much of an impact on the field.

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Nov 17, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you about everything but Taylor.

Please don’t compare Crable to Fred Taylor.

Prior to coming to the Patriots, Taylor put in seven strong years in a row playing 11 or more games – and indeed played 15 or 16 in 4 of those.

He’s amassed almost 12 thousand yards rushing in a fantastic career that any NFL player would be proud of.

Crable is nobody by comparison.

by mmmmm on Nov 17, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

according to the ‘pundits’ the Pats are always “too thin” at the pass-rusher. they have been pretty much for like 8-9 years now. still hasn’t gotten old

by pats4life on Nov 17, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

Location of Pats backup Taxi Squad

As Crable emerged from the Pats Witness PP after months of being cut, now Woods also comes back and they must have been practicing somewhere during their their down time. Only Bill could do this..

by BEAR73 on Nov 17, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Groundskeeper Willie? LOL.

The poll was a bit tough, as they were thin with Crable. But Bill always has a plan, and as another poster aptly put: In Bill We Trust. Looking forward to seeing what moves are made in the offseason, draft ect. You know he’s going to do something about the lack of rush this time around. He has to…….right?………………………right?

by HailST on Nov 17, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

Special Teams

…must have been the main consideration. They were doing great this season but the past few games have looked shaky. Woods was one of the leading ST tacklers last season I believe, so at the very least bringing him back will likely solidify some of our coverage.

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Nov 17, 2010 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

Last year...

He played all 16 regular season games, started 5, racked up 36 tackles, of which 18 were on special teams. 18 ST tackles in 16 games is great; 18 tackles as a starter at OLB for a third of the season, not so great.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Nov 17, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Honestly I doubt he played 1/3 of OLB snaps though, so his tackle totals probably aren’t that horrendous…having said that I cannot think of single play he made all last season on defense. Not a good sign at all.

Deep in enemy territory

by JeffyB on Nov 17, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Special Teams

I think that’s the key. I mean, with Steven as kicker we were okay with Crable out there because he actually had a foot and could get a touchback, with Grahmn out there, we need all the Special team coverage help we can get.

The move makes perfect sense to me…

by DanieXJ on Nov 17, 2010 7:31 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, that thought had occurred to me as well

There are likely to be far fewer touchbacks and shorter kickoffs in general will add pressure on the kickoff coverage units, and Crable offered no value there. This could be beefing it up knowing it’ll be an issue from now on.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Nov 17, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

First, a question:

Isn’t Woods also good against the run?

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

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by patriotguy2 on Nov 17, 2010 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

yes

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I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 17, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

okey dokey. Here's my assessment(maybe)

Crable was good as a pass rusher, but i don’t think he’s that good against the run.

For situational pass rushers, we used to have Banta-Cain, and Crable. Banta-Cain is average against the run(unless I am mistaken), and really the ONLY guys who are good against the run are jermaine cunningham. Nink is pretty good.

So I think we got pierre because he is also good against the run, and a pretty good pass rusher. That may be more valuable considering we have a pass rusher in Banta-Cain, Cunningham(as well), Nink(pretty good).

So maybe, they needed a guy who can stop the run a bit more against certain teams, so as to not put people who are more pass rushers in that situation.

If I am mistaken on something, let me know. :) Thoughts?

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Nov 17, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

do we really need a guy to stop the run against the colts no...do we really need a guy to rush the passer against the colts...yes

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life

Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."

by NinjaZX6R on Nov 17, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

don't they have Mike hart? lol :)

he is a pretty good runner.

I was saying that it doesn’t hurt to get more help against the run. Does that mean we’ll use him more against the colts? not really.

I suppose we need more pass rushers, yes. Maybe this deal wasn’t the smartest thing at the moment. How about this:

Because our kicker so far can’t kick it into the endzone, BB needed to bring in another ST? Wasn’t woods great on STs?

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Nov 17, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's probably part of it

And Crable was finally chipping in on STs last week, yet that was the game where kick coverage looks worst.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Nov 17, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

i hate mike hart

Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life

Pat McAfee -Colts punter-"@StampedeBlue I hope your website gets exposed for a complete joke. There’s no reason for you to do that, and its completely ridiculous."

by NinjaZX6R on Nov 17, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I know. :)

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Nov 17, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

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