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A rolling stone gathers no Moss

If you’re living under a rock, you may not know that Randy Moss has been waived by the Minnesota Vikings.  There could be any number of reasons why.  It could be his rambling love fest for the New England Patriots after his new team was just slapped by our boys.  Richard Hill did a very nice job of running down the skinny on this whole debacle, so I won’t rehash too much.  While Richard states, "Would I like to see Moss back in a Patriots' uniform? I wouldn't complain", I WOULD complain.  And loudly.  Here’s why.

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You may find it a bit unnerving to find me so against Randy Moss, OUR #81, back in a Flying Elvis.  Ever since he joined this team, I’ve been a huge proponent, and sometimes defender, of this tall, lanky drink of water.  In 2007, he did some amazing things.  23 touchdown receptions and a major contributor to a near perfect season is nothing to sneeze at.  Under the thumb of Hoodie and the Kraft family, he kept himself in check and played like a team player, a Patriot player, should play.  He kept his mouth shut, negotiated his contract in 2008, and let it ride.

Then, when training camp started in 2010, he saw contracts getting handed to the likes of Vince Wilfork and Tom Brady.  Contracts that would make any player staring at the end of his career, envious.  Bill Belichick, working on retooling our Patriots, told Moss in February that he wasn’t part of NE’s future plans.  During training camp of the same year, Belichick again approached Moss, but seemed to reverse his thinking and wanted to discuss a new contract.  Moss responded it was the wrong time; wait until the end of the season.

Then there was the rambling post-game presser after a 38-24 victory against the Bengals.  Then there was a reported dispute with Patriots quarterback coach Bill O’Brien at halftime of a matchup with the Dolphins.  The issues began piling up.  The most telling issue of all?  Moss’s production was down and the Patriots were heading in a different direction.  For years, I’ve complained NE has squandered tight ends.  They concentrated so much on receivers as targets that they forgot how potent a weapon a 250 pound guy can be.  Boom!!  Hernandez and Gronkowski appear on the roster and…ARE MAKING PLAYS!!  Sure, there are a few rookie mistakes, but they blocking, catching the ball, and putting points on the board.  Did I mention Brandon Tate?  Suddenly, Randy is not the only game in town.  Oh, and a guy named Deion Branch is back in town.  He may be a little slow on the acceleration portion of the game, but dang if he isn’t excited to be here and producing; genuinely grateful.

Now, let’s get to the reasons I feel Randy shouldn’t be back in NE.  First, Randy is a one dimensional receiver; he’s vertical and that’s about all he can contribute to the team.  Vertical usually means long and those throws most likely have a high probability of failure.  At best, he catches the ball for a TD OR draws a PI.  At worst, nada.  Sure, Randy can stretch a field and draw 1 or 2 DB’s off of someone else (the decoy, if you will), but at what cost?  How many of Tom Brady’s throws were to "keep Randy in the game", to give him touches?  Wouldn’t it be better to line up 2 TE’s, a few WR’s, and scare the bejeezus out of an opposing defense?  Who the hell do you cover if there are 4 legitimate threats?

While I usually can’t stand The Boston Globe’s Dan Shaughnessy, he was very right when he stated, "The Patriots are better without Moss because they are more like the old Patriots we came to know and love back in the beginning of the 21st century. Those Patriots stressed team above self, a mind-set impossible for Moss to grasp. Randy has no problem with the one-handed catch, but he can’t handle the concept that he’s part of a team. With No. 81 (or No. 84 in Minnesota) it’s always about Team Moss. It’s about touches and that all-important next contract."  Dan’s right and it pains me to say so.

This team is different, but the same.  It has the vibe, the energy of a 2001-2004 team.  There’s no outrageous 50 TD season in Brady’s future.  There’s no ridiculous offensive yardage stat to cheer about.  There’s quite simply a team that finds ways to win.  It may be one group of guys this Sunday or it could be a different group of guys the next.  It could be WR Brandon Tate or CB Devin McCourty.  Maybe the diminutive Danny Woodhead or how about Gronk or Hernandez?

This team is different, but eerily familiar.  I’ll take more of it, Bill.  And, sad to say, no Randy.

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I liked Tedy's commentary

I listened to Tedy Bruschi today and he made quite a bit of sense. Tedy was very clear in his opinion that it was “time for Randy to go” when the Pats traded him.

With that said, he went on to report today that New England may (once again) be the best fit for Moss because he’s had a chance to see how dysfunctional teams operate all over again and how sour that can taste. Tedy seemed to compare it to a disgruntled child who runs away because mom and dad “won’t let him do what he wants”….. Only to find that the structure mom and dad provided as a whole has an overall positive impact on life and wasn’t so bad after all!

by Bills friend on Nov 2, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll rec this even thought i kinda disagree w. you

If he is willing to take a pay cut and run more inside routes, I want him back….If he doesn’t…thanks for the memories.

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 2, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

isn't he unsuccessful on inside routes?

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by patriotguy2 on Nov 2, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

he chooses not to

most X WR run some inside routes…guys like Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Fitzy, Starvin Marvin, Reggie Wayne, T.O Boldin…

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 3, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

No...

In weeks 2 and 3 of the 2009 season, Wes was out with a knee injury and Randy took over. Randy was hurt, too – a separated shoulder, if I remember correctly – and Randy ran all the Welker routes – slants, duck in, that kind of thing. He was a real warrior and helped fill the gap against the Jets and Falcons.

Come 2010, and Randy stopped wanting to run those routes any more. If he’d played against the Jets in 2010 like he did in the first Jets game of 2009, things would’ve been quite different. I can’t really blame Moss – he’d be risking injury running slants in a contract year – but it does suggest that maybe his heart wasn’t entirely in it. He didn’t seem willing to go that extra mile and run the ‘dangerous’ routes that Wes does (and Randy did in 2009).

Maybe he’d agree to go back to that now? Who knows. But if it was indeed his contract issues, that’s even more important to him now because he had to justify to potential employers who he got canned from two teams in a month. If he’s hurt on top of that, his contract options are going to be awful in 2011.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 3, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say he "wanted" or didn't "want" to run certain routes

With Hernandez, Edelman, Welker, and Faulk/Woodhead all more capable of running those inside routes, there really isn’t much of a reason to run Randy on them.

Last year Randy showed us that he can be a possession receiver. I don’t want him being a possession receiver. Randy’s impact as a decoy is so important. We’ve seen the offense struggle without him the last few weeks. I’d take Randy back in a heartbeat. It’s probably not going to happen.

I agree with Bills Friend on this one. Randy probably began questioning the Patriot way. Four weeks with another team showed him what he was missing. Too bad he’ll probably never wear a Patriot uniform again.

by Greg Knopping on Nov 3, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was mainly thinking in terms of the Jets game

In a lot of ways, it was similar to week 2 of 2009 – Wes was hurt to the extent he wasn’t Wes, the young guys were playing like young guys, and Brady was looking at Moss a lot – you don’t get 10 targets in a half unless the QB is treating you as the first-look option. It was clear after what, 2? 3? clear misses that the long ball just wasn’t working. Moss and Brady have that QB-WR connection thing going, yet for whatever reason, they didn’t do the “nudge nudge, gimme a quick slant” look.

If you compare that to the 2009 Jets matchup, one play comes to mind – that quick slant in the Red Zone where Brady and Moss looked at each other, saw Revis wasn’t prepared for it, and Randy slanted in for the quick TD. That chemistry didn’t appear to be there in 2010. Even when they did do one of those quick-glance play-calls (the fake spike TD attempt in Miami), it flopped.

That connection/intuition thing to turn a quick glance into a short route was completely absent in 2010. And it wasn’t like the long-ball connection was working, either. It just seemed like the 2007-2009 chemistry was non-existent in 2010.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 3, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The problem with the Jets game (2010 edition)

is that while they were going at Moss a lot, they kept running the same route and not the mix of crossing patterns and slants that he did in the 2009 version. And Brady kept under-throwing him (and everybody else that day).

Really, its hard to get too much take from this year’s Jets game in regards to our receiving corp because Brady had one such an anomalously bad day when it comes to accurate throws.

If Brady doesn’t underthrow just three of those throws (say, the one to Gronk and maybe a couple of the ones to Randy) then that game probably swings all the way around to a decisive Pats win. Oh well.

I’m going to disagree whether you can say “the 2007-2009 chemistry was non-existent in 2010”. I think that of the problems (that started to show up in 2009, not 2010) have had less to do with the Brady-Moss chemistry than with the shift in play-calling from McDaniels to O’Brien.

by mmmmm on Nov 4, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that of the problems (that started to show up in 2009, not 2010) have had less to do with the Brady-Moss chemistry than with the shift in play-calling from McDaniels to O’Brien.

What I was talking about is the stuff that runs against playcalling – when they just glance at each other and make up routes on the fly. They did that in 2009, but not in 2010. It’s not how it’s called or drawn up, it’s how they organise it between themselves.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Nov 4, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

But now you drop into the realm of intangibles and suppositions.

I’ll pass on that discussion.

I’ll stick with the correlations with what changed.

by mmmmm on Nov 4, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is

The Pats won’t get him on waivers, and I really doubt they even bother putting one in, regarless of what the “insiders” say at the moment. That said, if he makes it clear he doesn’t want to be on a crappy/rebuilding team, they will pass him by. What can benefit can it bring if someone straight up tells you not to put a claim in because he wont play for you? Suppose he really really want to be back in NE he still wouldn’t be taking a cut this year it would be a raise. The Vikes would have to pay his salary in this scenario, because he cleared waivers and the Pats would get him for league minimum.

Now if his post game verbal fellating of the whole organization was for real and he only wants to come back the team would be retarded not to take him with a couple of conditions….
1. Toe the company line, period. Speak with the media but don’t even THINK about airing any grievances through a reporter(s).
2. Know your role and accept it. He says he wants to win a SB first and foremost, and being in NE gives him a realistic chance at that probably a few times in the new several years. If he means it then he will realize that his individual numbers may go down, but his importance would be as high as ever. Nobody in the league can draw multiple defenders like he can, even at his age. Others may get the “glory” but the organization, every other organization and fans who pay attention will never doubt what he can mean to the team, even if the season box score doesn’t say 100 catches 1600yd and 15TDs. He can still get a hefty contract here or elsewhere. Of course the second teams stop respecting him as a deep threat he still can go off for 200+yd and 2-3TD in any given game.

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by DocOne on Nov 3, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'd want him back

pats look like the small-ball team back in the day, but the team would definitely benefit from having a deep threat like moss. there’s no denial he stretches coverage n wit branch back to go wit welker n edelman, brady can go deep or short with confidence. plus it’ll give another year for tate to develop as well. so many ppl call moss’s contract a big reason for his departure, but an equally big factor might be that tom brady was becoming increasingly reliant on the deep pass. i mean u look at the jets game, he threw…almost more than 10 passes to moss? someone correct me if m wrong buh he got intercepted a couple times. maybe the coaching staff was looking to get brady back to throwing short, accurate passes. as long as moss understands he’s a part of a gameplan rather than the centerpiece of the offense, i’ll deff want him back.

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by FreshMan on Nov 3, 2010 12:36 AM EDT reply actions  

For those who haven't seen this

    It’s been killing me all day. Hilarious take on the Moss release.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2pcuLOk6Wc

by furiousd on Nov 3, 2010 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Epic.

haha, still laughing

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by Hometown Gyro on Nov 3, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one super excited to read a MaPatsFan article?

Not that Greg or anyone else has been bad in fact they have been great, but MaPatsFan is and will always be the best.

by totheights on Nov 3, 2010 12:55 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

One thing I think people are overstepping here

is the fact that brandon tate has as many 100 yard games as derius heyward-bey. i haven’t seen tate really win a deep route (dropped vikings interception does not count) and as long as they say to Tom “THROW TO THE GODAMN OPEN RECEIVER” than i’m fine with him coming back and making this team stronger.

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by Cameron O on Nov 3, 2010 1:34 AM EDT reply actions  

also...this is Tate's first year

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 3, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are some good signs with Tate

Firstly, on that ‘dropped Vikings interference’ play, he knew the ball was somewhere around him and got his hands into the area and kept juggling it – he clearly wasn’t sighted but he kept trying to get a feel. That’s in stark comparison to the Moss pass interception play – he knew where the ball was (check the NFL.com replay if you need to look at it again), but didn’t make much of an effort to secure it. Sure, he’d already drawn the flag, but after Tate’s 5 or 6 efforts to merely get a reception, you get the feeling that he’d dive into a pile of broken glass to try to grab that ball in the End Zone, flag notwithstanding.

The other thing is on his 65-yard TD catch, that play was broken – clearly busted as it was drawn up. Tate’s route was defunct, yet by his own admission he remembered what Tom had drilled into him – ‘whatever you do, get open’. Tate did that by scampering off downfield, and Tom showed his increasing trust in the young WR by tossing it up to him. That whole series of play between Tate’s route being blown and taking off downfield and making the catch was instinctive – and it was the instincts of a WR, not a return man playing WR.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 3, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

That Tate play on the TD was a thing of beauty for a totally scrapped situation. You can’t get a much better result than that.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 3, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I loved his second head-shimmy to freeze the Safety

Once he’s got ball in hand and sees a bit of space to run, he reverts to KR guy again. Sees space, runs to space.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 3, 2010 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I liked what he said post-game

That Brady told the receivers not to give up on a play (or something to that effect), and he didn’t. He kept trying to get open, and it’s that extra effort that’s going to make the difference and win games this year.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Nov 3, 2010 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get why it's difficult

These guys play WR their entire lives. I played a decent amount of football myself and I don’t see why it’s a difficult concept to not quit on a play when your route is done and the QB is scrambling. I don’t see why it’s so hard to run a good route. They do this 7+ months out of the year. Wouldn’t you just make it happen? Practice running routes and selling routes. I seems like we are talking about a 7 year old instead of a grown man that got drafted out of college for being a top WR. I know the nfl is much faster but when you get paid millions you shouldn’t be coddled like a child.

Rant over. I love Tate and hope he continues to progress. Hope to see Price some day as well.

by iLikeStuff on Nov 3, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's the quickness in your routes, and knowing when to do them.

If your told to run a slant toward the inside, it doesn’t say run up 3 yards, and then do a slant. It depends on the coverage(at least that’s how I interpreted it).

Running good routes also depend on body control, as well as speed control.

Tate’s route running needs to be worked on a bit. He needs to know how to read the defense better, and run the route according to how he reads the defense(will come in time); and cutting.

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These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

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by patriotguy2 on Nov 3, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice pt

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 3, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

All admirable traits, but ...

Tate is a rookie. I like our chances with Branch more than what Tate can offer at this point when a game is on the line. Branch is still a phenominal “go to” receiver. Moss is even better. Tate is season or more away from that type of reliability.

Moss allows Tate to get the weakest cover guy. THAT will definitely accelerate Tate’s production level and confidence. Moss will open up huge seams for Branch to find and operate within. Moss opens up huge seams underneath for the TE’s to slip their LB coverage.

by couchpotato on Nov 3, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tate did that with no Moss...

and he did it by spotting the seam in the Cover-2, even when the play was clearly broken. All the timing was out of whack (and the Pats are a timing-based scheme), so he put himself into the correct position, not the OC’s playbook or QB’s pass read.

That’s something you’d expect of Branch – he has pre-existing chemistry with Brady. This is the first sign that Brady and Tate saw the field after the broken down play and read the same thing.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 3, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're great plays

But its not the type of thing you can rely on every game from him – a deep ball coming off a trick play that’s underthrown but juggled for a catch, and a deep ball off a broken where brady was flushed out of the pocket and just chucked it without even looking

by j-ace on Nov 3, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

run a slant and then will talk

If moss shows no desire to run a route over the middle, BB would be more than happy to wish him the best of luck
At this point of his career Moss should look to run more than three routes if he really wants that last contract. what better place to display that ability than in the pats offense, where any wr can attack any part of the field. But I think the vikes just put a claim on him so I guess we’ll never know.

by PattenPending on Nov 3, 2010 2:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Whatever...

there’s no way some team doesn’t claim Moss off waivers before NE would get a chance to, so it’s not really worth discussing whether the Pats should take him back or not. They won’t get the chance.

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by rebop on Nov 3, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay. Honestly, I could care less if we get him or not.

If we don’t oh well. our offense is very good without him.

If we do, we’ll just have to see how different, or how much it will effect our offense overall. Truth is, we really don’t know.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Nov 3, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

+1,000,000

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by MaPatsFan on Nov 4, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

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