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D-Town Greetings.

Allow me to extend my hand to all of you and introduce myself. My name is Mavyrk, and I'm a die hard Lions fan. I was hoping I might be able to come visit before our game come Thursday, and maybe talk some football with you guys.

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As you probably already know, your Patriots come to our house this Thanksgiving for the annual Lions-actually-get-prime-time game. I want to congratulate you guys for your win over Peyton and company; from what I saw you guys seemed to control the pace of the game really well, and Peyton did what Peyton does in the 4th quarter, but came up just short, so congrats on the hard fought win.

If I may, I'd like to ask you guys a few questions.

1) With our starting QB injured, we are playing our second-stringer Shaun Hill. He seems to favor more of a dink-and-dunk style offense. How do you guys fare against, TEs, slot receivers, and catches in the backfield?

2) Who's your best new weapon on offense, and who's most likely to let you down?

3) Who makes the plays when the opponent has the ball, and who's probably going to get burned?

4) How do you feel about your offensive line's matchup against one of the best defensive lines in the league?

5) Who's covering Calvin Johnson, and how do you like their chances?

I want to thank you guys ahead of time for your answers. I appreciate the opportunity to spend a little time with you all and hope we can have some good banter going on. Feel free to ask me any questions you want, and I will be sure to check back frequently until Thursday and try and keep up.

Good luck, let's hope it's exciting.

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 23, 2010 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Done.

We need to get those Colts threads out of the rec’d section lol

Beat Northwestern, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 23, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay...

DeAndre Levy. Tell me about him. How has he done in coverage? Run support? Blitzing? Tackling?

And with Stafford’s second serious injury this year, is it almost certain that the Lions are going to draft an OL? He’s a talented player, but his lineman appear to be letting him down at the wrong times. Could the Lions grab Gabe Carimi or Marcus Cannon (Sheldon Cooper titter®)?

Beat Northwestern, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 23, 2010 12:12 AM EST reply actions  

DeAndre Levy

Is relatively decent in coverage, I guess. I mean, he’s not terrible, so that’s going for him. In regards to run support, blitzing, and tackling? Guy’s a young beast with a chip on his shoulder, he hits hard. There’s a reason he’s a fan favorite. “Levy on the play” is commonly heard, let’s put it that way.

I wouldn’t say it’s almost certain they’ll draft an OL, but it’s almost certain some moves will be made. We have some young OL in grooming, and there’s a notable FA or two we might pick up. That, coupled with the slim talent pool of offensive lineman this year and the Lion’s tendency to pick best player available, could mean a declined focus on the OL in the draft. I will say this, I would love for us to get Carimi or Wisnieszkisfasb.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

I think his name is Stefen Wisniewski, if you’re referring to the Penn State OG. He’s a solid pass blocker but leaves something to be desired in run blocking (heck, BSD says that entire LINE leaves something to be desired in run blocking).

If the Lions are going to go after a top-flight OL, Carimi is the man, definitely. The man faced three of the top pass rushers in the nation in three consecutive games and held them to a single sack between them. Cannon’s good, but I would have considerable pause before picking him over Carimi. Gabe is the classic run-blocking Wisconsin OT, and he’s a very good pass blocker as well.

Word of warning: I don’t care whatever Mel Kiper says about them in the future, but do NOT take either of Ohio State’s starting offensive tackles (Mike Adams and Shugarts). They’re iffy blockers AND they can be penalty machines. But they’ve got a good G (Zach Boren) and their FB Justin Boren might be worth a look (as far as opening holes for Jahvid Best; I’m not sure how good he is with a lead blocker).

Question (after the long piece of useless expository dialogue) Why is there almost no confidence in Drew Stanton whatsoever?

Beat Northwestern, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 23, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

In riposte.

The reason why there’s almost no confidence is…

Well, bluntly, he’s a product of the Millen era. That’s a HUGE red flag on every player we have that isn’t Calvin Johnson. Everyone we got during the previous GM’s regime is terrible shy of him, and guess where most of our o-line came from? You guessed it.

If you want a more concrete answer, just look at what he’s done this year. He threw the Jets game for us, and the Giants game. Some would argue that Pettigrew should have caught the interception in the Giants game, but that’s ridiculously untrue if you look at the replay. And against the Jets, how do you not eat a sack There’s like a minute left, you have an opportunity to eat forty seconds off the clock no matter what, and you throw an incomplete pass? Really? Unacceptable.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

You're such a tool.
He threw the Jets game for us, and the Giants game

Now for the unbias answer…

First, the Jets game… Stanton came in with around 4 minutes left in the game on 3rd down when Stafford reinjured his shoulder. The score at the time was 20-10 Lions. The Lions hand the ball off and then punt the ball. Lions defense gives up a TD and the score is now 20-17. Lions run the ball on 2 consecutive plays to drain the Jets TOs. So at the 2 minute warning, 3rd down… instead of running, the Lions run a naked boot/FB option. The Jets were ready for it and with 2 blitzers in his face, Stanton throws a low ball to Felton… incomplete… clock stops at 1:52(or close to it)… Stanton could have done 2 things… take the sack and drain an extra 40 secs of the clock or go for the 1st down and the win. Ended up that the Jets trampled our D for 70yds without any timeouts and tied the game with seconds expiring. I’ll let you guys figure out if Stanton “THREW THE GAME” as the previous poster claims…

GIANTS game… Down a TD, Stanton comes in after a shitty no call low hit that breaks Hill’s forearm. However the game went, Down 28-20 in the 4th quarter… Stanton led Detroit on 2 significant drives that both ended in Turnovers… the first was Burleson’s fumble on the NYG’s 35 and the other ended the game… a high pass to Pettigrew that hit his hands and was deflected to Rolle.

As for the confidence in Stanton…. Just look at his time in Detroit… he was and still is treated like a red headed step child(no offense to any red headed stepchildren reading this)…. Example one- See post above. For other examples here you go…. Millen pick, 2nd round-when real value was probably 4th round or later…. Rookie season, Martz fucked with his mechanics and force him IR missing the entire season to make room for O’sullivan…. 2nd year, with martz fired… and the Oline coach calling the shots; publically embarasses Stanton… Stanton’s only playing time was when the game was out of reach and the defenses were T’ing off for stats. Currently, Stanton is in his second year with the same coordinator and, I think, finally showing improvement. His patience and accuracy has improved along with his ability to run the offense.

Overall, he’s a gamer. He plays ugly, throws ugly, but keeps the chains moving. I think the Giants game was a big step for him and anyone who has watched him in the past would be able to agree.

He’s in his last contract year and probably will not be in Detroit next year.

I still think with the right system(more of a shotgun oriented) he could and would be a viable #2 QB. The heart is there, the gamer mentality is there… he just needs to shake off the “Millen” years.

That’s all I got.

by CLF on Nov 23, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Good to see you over here CLF.

I’ll admit, I’m somewhat biased against Stanton. But I was asked why there’s so little confidence in him, and gave the answer. Whether the answer is right or wrong, that’s what’s perceived by people, that’s why people hate on him.

CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The argument with the Lions/Jets ending is more that he threw it at all

Sure the play was called for that, but doing something that you see is ill-advised instead of either just running or taking a sack to drain precious time is somewhat a poor decision.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/detroit-lions/09000d5d81bee7a6

And I still find it laughable that the 3rd string QB gets the blame over a defense that blows a 10pt lead in the last 5 minutes of the game.

by CLF on Nov 23, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true

On an up note, that decision was still better than the one Manning made at the end of the Pats-Colts game

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW, I am glad to hear Levy is doing well in Detroit.

Perhaps you might pick up Jonathan Casillas as well (just to recover a blocked punt in the endzone or two against Minnesota)?

Beat Northwestern, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 23, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't

Discount any moves as being impossible, I’ve got enough faith in the Lion’s recent history in acquisition to say that 80% of their moves will pan out in some way or another.

I mean, we managed to swindled Jerry Jones into taking Roy Williams for a 1st and a 3rd rounder. Roy Williams is their third string WR now. We got Pettigrew. Enough said.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Not a chance.

I meant more along the lines of Gaither. I don’t think there’s any chance Mankins leaves you guys.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure where you get that idea

However, maybe Mankins is getting phone calls from Randy Moss saying, “Dear god stay there.. the rest of the league.. it’s horrible!!”

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Correction.

I don’t think a guy like Mankins leaves the New England Patriots to come play for the Detroit Lions.

I know he wants to be traded and wants a long-term home and stuff, but he’s young still and I’m sure other teams will want him more.

We also haven’t been very open to bringing in guys who are even perceived as discipline cases. Randy Moss and Michael Vick weren’t even considered.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of discipline cases

How does it feel to watch Matt Millen doing analysis and has he announced a game for you guys yet?

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I...

Well, let me put it this way.

I would not want to come to your home and sully my good reputation in other blogs by even starting this conversation with you. It is taking everything I have not to start throwing fancy four letter words out right now.

That’s how I feel; and no, but he was the announcer for the MSU/UM game, which was a freaking joke.

I don’t think you can understand just how truly hated the man is to us. I am not a violent man, but I would give Millen the business if I had to sit there in person and listen to him pretend he knows jack about football.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't sure.. not even remotely intending to offend

He annoys the hell out of me too. It’s like listening to an arsonist describe how to build a house.

I know he likes to talk alot and they’re starting to put him in the booth so I wasn’t sure if you guys drew a bad card one week and got stuck with him yet. I’d like to hope the studios are smart enough not to do that.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I know you weren't intending offense.

I just needed to impress just HOW hated he is around these parts. If the NFL is smart they will never have him officiate a game the Lions are playing in, or there Will be heads rolling.

Oh, and Millen most recently during thursday night football in the bears game, credited Rod Marinelli as one of the best coaches in the NFL.

Now, if you don’t know who Rod Marinelli is, he’s the defensive coordinator for the Chicago Bears.

Rod Marinelli was the last head coach during the Milllen Regime, years 2006-2008. Now, I’m not sure exactly what happened in 2008, my memory’s a little fuzzy, but I’m pretty sure he didn’t do too well his last seasno.

“One of the best coaches in the NFL” my ass. Self-serving piece o… there I go again.

Ahem, I’m just gonna leave this at that, it gets me too riled up.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

No problem. Understood.

We could have the same feelings for Pete Carroll I suppose. :P

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not quite sure the comparison is the same...

… did Carroll really mess up the Pats like Millen did the Lions, thus orchestrating the first undefeated (in losses) season?

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 3:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I meant for Marinelli, not Millen.

there is no equal for Millen except Mike Ditka. Picking a bad future is better than no future at all.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Marinelli

Is a great d-line coach, a decent d-coor, but a terrible head coach. I don’t think anyone strictly blames him for 0-16, most blame falls on Millen solely.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Matt Millen...

… knows jack s… about football. He had no business at any football game, at any level, due to his incompetence. I wouldn’t let him coach or referee or be an offficial in any capacity at my future son’s 5 yr old flag football game.

And yes, I hate him too.

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 AM EST up reply actions  

dude when he did the bears fins game...i wanted to hit him too bad

he, during the broadcast, was praising the former HC of the lions who is the bears d coord-Steve Marilli (?)

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 23, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Rod Marinelli

Great Defensive coach, not suited for head coach. We had a big discussion over those choice words. How can you say he was the best coach you’ve ever had when he went 0-16? That’s just how M***en works.

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by Bighaircut on Nov 24, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I suggested moving for Gaither this offseason, too

Considering he was only a 3rd round draft pick tender, if memory serves correctly.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the Congrats

I can`t speak for anyone else, but the Colts game is always the most important regular season game for me, as for your questions,`here`s my opinion:

1. Dink and dunk has been known to give us trouble
2. Check for the TEs on offense, we didn`t use them as much in the colts game so we should use them more. theyè also the most likely to dissapoint in my opinion due to drops, they are rookies after all.
3. McCourty can always pick you off and you`ll see Mayo and Chung all over the field. Arrington or Butler could give up big plays.
4. I like our offensive line vs any defensive line, and if they star to have issues the TEs are awesome blockers, specially Crumpler.
5. Calvins probably going to see double coverage all day, the guys is a monster.

by HailHoodie on Nov 23, 2010 12:32 AM EST reply actions  

Suh.

Did “Sports Science”, and was noted as the hardest hitter on the show… ever. His tackling force is literally unprecedented on the show, and that says a lot.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Suh.

Likes to wrestle QBs to the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8mt83ugqDI

And Suh also likes to pull on long hair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNxfpaQ0j8A

Things do not bode well for Tom Brady, who fits both categories.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Not trying to start a contest

Just making a point. Mankins is probably our meanest and strongest OL. It’s a good matchup.

I will say, however, that Suh is a worse kicker than Welker :P

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno if I can agree with that.

That might be some fightin’ words, Suh’s a pretty good kicker, just didn’t get a chance to warm up.

I wasn’t really starting a contest, I just like posting videos of Suh being ridiculously awesome. When he made the play in the end-zone that resulted in a safety because of penalty, even Dallas fans were screaming “SUHHHH”. He’s just cool like that.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Suh was the only top-10 draft prospect who really caught my eye in a Pats-first way

McCoy was barely on the radar, Suh looked like Haloti Ngata Mk.2 (and Ngata looked like a reincarnation of Richard Seymour, but perhaps faster).

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

His last name is also a great comeback for young teens

“I have the best guard in the league”
“Suh”
“But our tackles are awesome”
“Suh”
“But .. but.. "

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

As well as

A great ’suh’bstitution in almost every word.

On Thursday, I’m ’suh’re we will definitely see the en’suh’ing pain.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I think if it goes to OT

Which as a Lions fan, would be spectacular, Suh and Welker should just settle it by starting at the 5 and kick field goals until someone hits and the other guy misses. Would be more exciting and less anti-climatic than the pass-pass-pass 40 yard field goal finish OT games traditionally finish with.

by Elfuego51 on Nov 25, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

dont know...cause Mankins plays LG and Suh plays 4-3 LDT not 4-3RDT...sadly

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 23, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

As was said, his position isn't consistent

Connolly and Koppen are the weakest point on the line. However that’d result in a double team because Mankins, Light and Vollmer can hold their own. There’s just no real good place to line up.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Ironically enough...

… I’m a Lions fan deep in the heart of Patriot country. I’m in the biggest city in New Hampshire (which isn’t saying much, compared to Michigan) and I am so looking forward to actually being able to watch the Lions on TV instead of on my laptop!

That said, yes, my second team that I like to watch is definitely the Patriots. Hey, when in Rome…

But ya know, I gotta root for my team if/when they face each other, just like when the Pistons match up against the Celtics or the Bruins face off against the Red Wings.

I guess I have a few questions due to some observations I’ve made watching the Pats – Colts game (holy cow that was an awesome game, man Brady had it flyin’!)
and the Browns game.

1 – Do you think that the Patriots might overlook the Lions to the point where they might underestimate them?

2 – Do you think that if Stafford was not injured, the complexion of the gameplan and preparation, and perhaps even the outcome, may be different? How so?

3 – Who on the Lions do you think would win the Turkey Leg Award? On the Patriots?

Thanks!

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 1:28 AM EST reply actions  

Hi and welcome

Let’s see here:

1. After the Browns game, no. Our gimme is done for the year. Sorry.
2. Yes. He has a stronger arm than Hill does which would spread the field more. Hill is good but he’s a bit inconsistent on the deep ball which will allow Merriweather, our ballhawking safety, to play closer to the line. Hopefully it keeps Mayo and Spikes centered in the middle of the field too.
3. Aww.. no Turducken? :) Given your defense and offense, I rather expect Pettigrew to do well against us. Our run D is pretty stout but delayed passes to tight ends could work well. As far as the pats, I see this as a big game for our D so I’m gonna go with McCourty or Wilfork.

Return questions:

1. Is C.C. Brown going to start? I want to see what all the negative fuss is about.
2. You’re D-line is pretty solid but do you think they can handle the Patriots running game.. or find Woodhead for that matter? Btw, great pickup with Vanden Bosch.
3. Who’s the best coverage linebacker you have? I imagine it’ll be important giving the use of the tight ends, slant routes and stopping Law Firm and Woodhead out of the back field.

Again, welcome and I hope the game goes well.. be sure to have a sell out will ya? :P

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

C.C. Brown

I dunno if he’ll start, but I don’t think he should. We drafted rookie Amari Spievey this year, and with the year being a bust there’s no reason not to let Amari get reps; he’s doing well and learning fast.

The “fuss” about C.C. Brown is when he played for NYG. “Can’t Cover” Brown, well… can’t cover, fittingly. But it was definitely the fault of NYG that they let him stick around that long without trying to get different uses out of him. He hasn’t been great for us, but he’s certainly not bad. Some plays he muffs on, sometimes he makes the play with a strong tackle at the line.

I think, at this point, we can reasonably “handle” any run offense in the game. We’re finally seeing our run defense solidified with our starting LBs back and healthy, and while we will never shut a team down, it’s not nearly the liability it used to be. I’d look out more for our defensive line to be getting in Brady’s face, all said and done.

The best coverage linebacker? What the hell is a coverage linebacker? I don’t think we have that position on our team.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

All I saw was Brown's response to the article

I thought it was funny and spot on. Still, he’s better off than Aaron Maybin.. Brown wasn’t named the “worst player in the league” by his own local press.

I was curious about the run D. I know Vanden Bosch is good and Suh is awesome, I wasn’t sure on your linebackers. How’s the DE opposite Vanden Bosch though? Our TE are pretty good blockers (took care of Harrison and Freeney in successive weeks) so there could be some danger going off tackle to that side.

i probably could’ve worded that as “best linebacker at covering defenders” but that’s a mouthful.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

If Cliff Avril plays, you guys might have a tough time. But he’s recently injured and unknown if he starts – our depth under Cliff is not nearly as prolific. While he rarely records many stats, he’s lightning fast off the snap and will collapse the pocket immediately; not by strength, but finesse and speed, allowing our playmakers to do things once the pocket is suitably smaller to work with.

Our run D is bad. Plain and simple. Better than it was, still bad. But not nearly as prone to giving up the big play anymore.

And I was just sarcastically stating we don’t have an LB who can cover the pass. Levy’s a stretch, but he’s the best we have as LB.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

The best coverage linebacker? What the hell is a coverage linebacker? I don’t think we have that position on our team.

I didn’t ask, but I’d imagine a Bryan Urlacher clone or somesuch.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Not Bad...

… or possibly a Derrick Johnson, Shaun Phillips or A. J. Hawk for the ballhawking LBs?

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what AJ Hawk is any more

And it sounds like Green Bay and even AJ Hawk himself aren’t, either.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

I withdraw the comparison.

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

The Pats use Gary Guyton in that sub-package pass-coverage LB role

Difference being, Guyton was an undrafted free agent with wheels (a 4.47 40) and Hawk was a big investment given he was a very early first-round draft pick. Guyton might get a quarter of snaps and he’s a good investment; Hawk might get a quarter of snaps and he’s a bust.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

why are u bashing my other man love??? :((((

lol

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 23, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Hawk

Just not in a 3-4.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah...he was perfect in a 4-3 system as a WLB

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 23, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, that could work.

That’s a Q that should come up every week automatically: “Who covers Welker?”

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I bet Geico could!

I can see it now:

The gecko is stuck to the guy while he zips for a touchdown… hey, he’s covered, and he scores in 15 minutes or less!

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Welker dragged a Colts LB into the end-zone on his back last week

I’m not sure calling Angerer (I think) the Geico gecko would go down too well on StampedeBlue.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

This is true.

Pat “Geico Gecko” Angerer. I like it.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

oh pshaw

You only like it because the little green fella sounds like a New Zealander :P

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

This happened.

To CJ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbOmU6Dg2po

DeAngelo Hall had picked 4 times in the prior game, and this happened to CJ from Stafford.

CJ followed it up by doing this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0cIT9QEMDA

Yeah, that’s CJ making a catch in triple coverage, breaking out of the scrum, and carrying DeAngelo hall into the endzone like a party favor. If you look closely at the footage during the slow-mo, you can actually see CJ getting grabbed around the thigh, and the DB trying to dig his heels in to no effect. It’s pretty funny actually.

I just like posting videos of Lions doing neat things.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Hah, funny you should show that

I caught a bunch of flak early on in the season for suggesting Randy Moss didn’t have ‘it’ any more. He regularly drew double-coverage (or at least the Safeties rolled over on his side, meaning other guys were open), but he wasn’t getting double- and triple-coverage and then still beating it like he used to. I figured he wasn’t likely to get it back, so when they traded him out I figured they were getting maximum value on a guy whose skills were on the edge of diminishing.

Watching a WR get maximum coverage and then beat it anyway really reminds me what Moss was two years ago, compared to what Moss was this season.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

It's pretty special having that type of player on your home team.

Having the 9-81 connection is probably one of the most awesome things short of Barry Sanders, in Detroit Lions football. They’re friends, they stick up for eachother, and they help eachother be the best players they can be.

When someone picks off Stafford, you better know CJ is gonna get back at the defense. I’d post a picture of Chad Johnson crying right now, but I don’t feel like looking it up.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

Answers to your Qs:

1 – I don’t know. Speivey started in the Dallas game and then was benched for CC, who actually played decent. So it’s a 50-50 chance, I would imagine.

2 – Watching the Colts game, I don’t think it’s the running game we have to watch out for, it’s the speedy pass plays that Brady kept throwing at the Colts that I fully expect them to employ to neutralize Suh and KVB. Screens and short curls.

3 – I’ve gotta go with Levy for perhaps the best cover LB… though I’d like to see Carpenter come in and do well.

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

BTW-

As I’m sure you already know… it’s already a sellout, has been since last week.

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Cool

I don’t keep track of attendance much but I know some teams have issues. Then again, you guys are far more entertaining to watch than the Jaguars.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I would hope so!

… that the Lions are more entertaining than the Jags. But c’mon man – it’s the Patriots. Who wouldn’t go to THAT game??

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

1) With our starting QB injured, we are playing our second-stringer Shaun Hill. He seems to favor more of a dink-and-dunk style offense. How do you guys fare against, TEs, slot receivers, and catches in the backfield?
What immediately comes to mind was the 2009 week 7 game against the Denver Broncos. They were the epitome of a dink-and-dunk at that stage – Orton had 321 passing yards, but racked up a massive 21 first downs through the air. Eddie Royal had 10 receptions for 90 yards, Brandon Marshall had 8 receptions for 64 yards – it was all short stuff, but it moved the chains. And, most importantly of all, it worked – the Broncos won 20-17. Orton engineered a 98-yard TD drive.to tie the game in the 4th, and they won it on an overtime FG.

2) Who’s your best new weapon on offense, and who’s most likely to let you down?
Seems silly to say, but Brady. The Pats are trying to get back to that old early-2000s system where Brady has an overload of targets and he’ll pick out he best one. That’s reflected in the games – he might use Hernandez to rack up 100 yards in one game, and Hernandez might barely get on the field in the next because they’re throwing to the other TE Gronkowski. The WR Tate has had 100 yard games and games where he hasn’t had a reception. They might use north-south RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis one game and use scatback-type guy Danny Woodhead in another. The only constant is Brady, and he makes the machine work.

3) Who makes the plays when the opponent has the ball, and who’s probably going to get burned?
Chung is a playmaker in the secondary, and lately Sanders has had a pair of interceptions to seal games. McCourty is solid and might come up with a pick or two, but he’s a rookie and he might give up a pass interference or big reception. Arrington is like McCourty without the risk of an interception. Mayo is solid and will rack up a dozen tackles, but unlikely to make a big play. The rookie Jermaine Cunningham has had three games where he’s arguably made game-changing plays – he hit QB Chad Henne twice to force two interceptions, he got in Manning’s face on the game-sealing pick on Sunday, and he drew a sack and a holding call against Michael Oher to stunt a Ravens drive that would’ve threatened the Pats. He’s a playmaker of sorts, too.

4) How do you feel about your offensive line’s matchup against one of the best defensive lines in the league?
I don’t like it. The Pats held the Vikings and Colts for the most part, because the pass-rush came from the outside and the Pats could drop TEs down onto the opposition DEs to protect Brady. The inside O-line has struggled, however – the Pats gave up two sacks to Haloti Ngata through C Dan Koppen, and I have to imagine Suh will be as disruptive as Ngata through that same gap.

5) Who’s covering Calvin Johnson, and how do you like their chances?
The Pats play left-right CBs, so it depends where Johnson’s lining up. If he moves around, he’ll line up against McCourty and either Arrington or Darius Butler. Butler and Arrington are both quick in a straight line, so they might stick with Johnson in a straight line, but I’d still imagine they have Meriweather very deep and rolled over Johnson’s side all game, covering the deep pass. That kind of defence held Randy Moss to one reception for 8 yards in the Vikings game, so they’ll likely try to counter Johnson in the same way they countered Moss.

What that does mean is that the slot WR, TE and #2 WR might have extra room to move and have a better day because Johnson’s stretching the field.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:14 AM EST reply actions  

4 might be a bit off

Suh and Ngata are both great at what they do but we didn’t have Mankins that game and the Ravens linebackers are lethal. There’s some talent in the Lions linebacking corps but nothing I’d put on the same scale as Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs. I’d also point out that they pretty much negated Casey Hampton recently, who is no slouch.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I just have a nightmare vision of Suh one-on-one with Dan Koppen...

ye gods. Murder.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Me too

I doubt that happens though. I picture us using Gronkowski or Crumpler to cover whichever end is weaker and then kinda shifting the line over to provide doubleteams. Also, play action could be huge for us this game if it can slow down the rush. Same with bubble screens… those things we haven’t ran much of in a few weeks.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

That could work

Or Gronk at FB like he’s been used a couple of times.

I have to think they’ll be getting rid of the ball quick in slants and screens just to keep Suh out of the game via quickness, and maybe screens solely to get Suh moving side-to-side, too.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Just to note.

For question number two, I used the word “new” because I didn’t want to hear Tom Brady for everyone’s answer. :P But no big deal.

The big difference, and I think the one that shines in the d-line matchup versus your o-line, is Ngata is an NT. We have two DTs, and despite Suh’s immediate stellar fame, Corey Williams is our 4-3 NT and every bit the man that Suh is – they are plain and simple the best DT combo in the league, bar none. Our LBs leave something to be desired though.

Thanks for the answers.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Ngata was being moved around the D-line to find matchups in the Pats game

So he was playing both 3-4 NT and 3-4 DE, and shading both on the C and G and trying to shoot the gaps. Clever use of an explosive guy, and I hope the Lions aren’t watching that tape, hah.

As a side-note – the Pats have been doing that with Wilfork, too. Moving him from LE to NT to RE in the 3-4 and at DT in the 4-3 they used last week. They’ve had 10 different starting D-line arrangements in 10 games this season, with Wilfork lining up everywhere. That might be worth noting if you’re looking at O-line and D-line matchups for you guys.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I have bad news.

I’m sorry, you probably don’t want to hear this.

So he was playing both 3-4 NT and 3-4 DE, and shading both on the C and G and trying to shoot the gaps. Clever use of an explosive guy, and I hope the Lions aren’t watching that tape, hah.

But Suh has already played DE on both sides, 4-3 NT, 4-3 DT, and LB. He’s taken snaps standing, off the line, on the line, in front of every position, wide right, wide left. Suh, and this entire defensive line, has been used very creatively this year.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Damn.

I didn’t want to hear that, you’re right. I had seen highlights of Suh rolling and stunting to get lanes to the QB, but I can’t say I’d seen much of the Lions outside of tape of them being robbed of results (football move after catch my arse) and injuries.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Just want to point out a stat to calm Comedic down

1 sack the past 2 games. Our O-Line has been playing phenomenally well against top tier opposition. It’ll be a good matchup but I have faith in Dante to get things done. That said, there is a horrible mismatch for the Lions too.. Wilfork is not the easiest monster to block.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Different type of pass-rush, though

Steelers are edge-rushers with their OLBs (and Polamalu), but the Pats stacked the O-line by adding on Gronk and Crumpler and that meant the Steelers LBs were negated.

Freeney and Mathis of the Colts are edge-rushers too, and the Pats again put Gronk and Crumpler to widen the O-line and slow the edge rush.

Suh is an internal lineman rusher, and the last good internal rusher the Pats faced was Ngata… and Ngata certainly won that matchup – 2 sacks for 17 yards. They also gave up a sack to the Browns Nose Tackle Ahtyba Rutin, a sack to Chargers Nose Tackle Antonio Garay, and gave up a sack to Bills Nose Tackle Kyle Williams.

That’s enough to cause me worry.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

And 3 out of 4 of those sacks you speak of were in games Mankins wasn't in

The line has been VERY solid since Mankins came back and Connolly shifted over by Seabass. I’m not saying it’s not a concern but the pieces around Koppen are better now than they were.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I cannot stress this enough.

We are a 4-3, not a 3-4. We have two guys back there. Corey Williams is just as disruptive, and believe it or not, draws double teams from Suh onto himself. It takes a good player to get double teamed when Ndamukong Suh is standing next to you.

We have two Suhs. You guys should be concerned. But I expect your o-coor to do creative blocking schemes to make sure Brady doesn’t get too damaged.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't so much thinking in terms of the matchup issues on the D-line

but more the weakness through G-C-G to a concerted pass-rush effort on occasions by the Pats. The fact that 3-4 NTs (built like cement mixers, not so mobile) are collapsing the pocket and getting sacks is why I’m worried about Suh and Williams in the 4-3 – going up the gut seems to be the best way to get at Brady this season, and the Lions are built precisely for that.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Chop blocks

Were what caused Suh to try and unscrew Delhomme’s head like a bottle, he was making a statement that he’s not to be messed with.

For your blockers to forget that lesson would not be an easy day for Brady.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Chip, not chop

It’s just a bump to buy time, not an actual block. Normally done to keep DE’s inside on their blitzes.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 3:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah.

I’ve heard it described before as punching, not chip blocking. Thanks for the info!

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Crumpler did that a couple of times this week, I saw

Although I thought it was so he could pick whether to go left or right depending on whether Freeney or Mathis were looking more likely to get around.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

We're familiar with the concept, it's just it's easier to compare Suh to a Ngata since there aren't alot of stellar 4-3 tackles out there

We’ve faced Minnesota and did well though and they’re a 4-3. Hell.. we even play 4-3 sometimes. Depending on the minute. We even put CB at DE apparently (see last game).

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Those Minnesota DTs barely showed up

Not enough Caps in their Star-value?

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to go with MUCH better pass protection by the Packers.

The Vikings bagged an insane 14 sacks in their two games against Green Bay last year.

They might have had 4 this year. And they didn’t win either game.

Beat Northwestern, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 23, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant against the Pats, too

I barely noticed the Williams wall.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I know I'd feel better...

… if Stafford wasn’t injured, and neither was Best. At the beginning of the season Best was rollin’ and Stafford, when he was playing was lookin’ smooth. I really feel that it’d be a heck of a game if those two were playing in the Turkey game against the Pats!

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 2:20 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

It’d also be nice for the Pats to get a win where the injuries get credit instead of the talent on the Patriots part. Not saying we’ll win, just getting tired of hearing “oh if X was out, we’d of won” from Steelers and Colts fans.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

You have to admit.

Pats winning on talent is old hat.

Honestly, if you guys win, by more than 7 points, I’m not going to make any excuses.

If you guys win by like… 2? I might make the mention that Stafford sure mighta helped out there. I mean, come on, we are the Lions.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Any team playing the Jets must be infuriated this year.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

OMG

Tell me about it. I read a post about how the Jets are good, not lucky, and I was like “err… you guys are lucky Stafford went out, so I’m pretty sure I have the right to call you lucky as a Lions fan.”

I mean seriously, we’re leading with 5 minutes in the game, Sanchez is playing mediocre football all game, suddenly Stafford is out with an injury and Sanchez is a hero because he led his team to a fourth quarter comeback, when really it was just Stanton refusing to take a sack.

God, the Jets make me so mad sometimes.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I was wondering why they didn't just run a running play...

just to kill more time off the clock? Oh well 20 20 hindsight and all that.

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 3:28 AM EST up reply actions  

We want the Jets to lose as Div rivals

So every week the Jets are down in the 4th quarter and looking bad, and every week the opposition finds a way to mess it up or the Jets get a miracle.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

It essentially was.

It was a bootleg option pass. He didn’t even bootleg, he just took the pass option and screwed us. He went completely contrary to the playcall and the intent of the play.

Man, we’re talking a lot about the Lions and not enough about the Pats. But I’m going to sleep now, so I suppose we’ll get back on topic tomorrow! :D

Good night.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I gotta catch some Z's too!

Night folks, good chattin’ with you all!

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 3:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Pft, screw that noise.

I’m a realist, I know it’s part of the game, where you’re gonna have injuries. Every team’s got them; it’s how you roll with them that determines whether you win or lose. I’m just sayin’ that I would love our chances if Staff and Best were 100%.

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 2:25 AM EST reply actions  

Yep, the Pats went 11-5 without that guy Brady a year or two ago...

And it was hard t think that if they had Brady back they would’ve had another crack at a 18+ win season.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Damn skippy.

I believe if things went a different direction in the games we played thus far; even with Hill at QB – we would be 8-2 and not 2-8. Hill’s actually been quietly sublime thus far as a backup QB, much like Cassel was when Brady was out…

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I noticed that

Is it extremely good playcalling? Like the Cassel-Brady thing, Cassel was a different breed – better on the ground running it (he was the second best QB rusher after Aaron Rodgers that year), but didn’t have the same Brady-like pocket presence and took a bunch of sacks. He didn’t have the same arm-strength.

All of which meant that Josh McDaniels was basically playing from a completely different playbook than he’d grown used to with Brady. He had to call plays to minimise Cassel’s weaknesses and play to his strengths, and did very well to do so – Cassel had a couple of 400+ yard games, and a couple of games where he only threw half-a-dozen times.

Are the Lions OCs managing the Shaun Hill dropoff/change in style really well by calling Shaun Hill-friendly plays, or is Hill making plays that he really has no right to, because they were drawn up for a different QB?

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I think so.

Obviously everyone knows that Stafford has a cannon arm. Hill doesn’t, so he’s much more suited for the dink and dunk type offense, with possibly a couple of downfield throws just to keep you offguard; but not nearly as you would expect from Stafford.

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 3:09 AM EST up reply actions  

When Brady was out

we played the easiest schedule in memory. It is hard to imagine anybody could have beat them that year with Brady.

The glass is at 50% of capacity.

by BabeParilli on Nov 24, 2010 5:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya, we're on our 5th string running back and a free agent washout behind him.

By that, I mean BJGE and Woodhead. That was their positions in training camp.. well.. BJGE. Woodhead wasn’t even with the team.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Woodhead wasn't with the team

that just proves that Rex Ryan is a moron, right?

Beat Northwestern, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 23, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

You know...

… people here in Manchester have essentially blown off the Lions this week, saying that it’ll be a blowout, the Kitties will fold tremendously, they will be up by 50 by halftime… what do you guys think? Think it’ll be a cakewalk? That people at my work are just being sympathetic when they tell me I should just pay now and wear a bag on my head all week?

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 2:35 AM EST reply actions  

It won't be a blowout unless we can somehow stretch the field

I’m picturing something on the 34-21 route, Pats win. It’ll be close for a while though.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Pats probably don't have the personnel to commit blowouts on people

They don’t have the proven guaranteed home-run hitter like Moss any more (although Tate’s taken a 65 yard reception in for a TD), and their RBs, while solid, probably aren’t going to bust 80-yard Chris Johnson-like TDs very often, if ever. BenJarvus Green-Ellis has the right kind of size to bust tackles, but he’s slow-ish, and Danny Woodhead is very quick, but he’s slightly smaller and the like him as a change-of-pace back with limited touches.

The caveat on that is if the Lions throw a few pick-6s or lose fumbles in their own 20, then the Pats could score quickly and repetitively. That’s what happened to the ’Phins – a Patriot kick return for a TD, a pair of Interceptions that gave short field, a pick-6, a blocked kick for a TD and another blocked kick that gained possession mean the Pats racked up a lot of points in the second half.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 23, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh lord, I just now noticed...

It’s Iceman and Maverick. Good gravy, we have Top Gun! Aigh. I hate that movie.

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 2:50 AM EST reply actions  

Jesus.

I just noticed too. I gave myself this handle completely seperate of that movie, and I never live it down.

Ugh, Top Gun should never have been made. Screw Tom Cruise and his mutant children.

And no dude, you’re perfectly fine. I’m happy to share the spotlight with another Lions fan, especially in enemy territory. We got eachother’s backs! :P

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Same here.

I actually got this nickname in high school for a couple different reasons but the main one is because my favorite X-man is Iceman… but enough about me. Back to the Lions and Pats discussion!

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you comparing us to Russian MiG pilots? :P

That’s still better than what BBS says about us…

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

You knew what, sat?

Nothing BigBS says about us really matters anymore…

Beat Northwestern, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 23, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Not like it ever did..

doesn’t stop him from saying it though.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like Top Gun either

I was stationed on a carrier with an XO (2nd in command) and he helped with a little bit of the action in the movie. Needless to say we had that movie playing on our ship tv station like 3 or 4 times a week and heaven help the technician that stopped the movie before all the credits rolled by.

by coolbreeze42 on Nov 24, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry Mav...

I didn’t mean to hijack your thread!

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 2:56 AM EST reply actions  

Penalties and turnovers

The Pats rarely commit turnovers and, while penalized, it tends to happen more on the defensive side of the ball.

How do the Lions fare in the penalty and turnover department? I could look it up but I know the Lions tend to get screwed by the refs more than most teams.

by satsunada on Nov 23, 2010 3:19 AM EST reply actions  

We're

Fine in the turnovers dept. We tend to give away a lot of balls, but we’re one of the best teams for takeaways too. We make plays happen that yield turnovers.

Penalties… well, we’re the worst. Well, one of the worst at least. The main reason being accredited to us being 2-8 right now is penalties. Not injuries or depth or talent, but penalties. It’s unacceptable, but when you are devoid of depth it’s hard to bench players to make a point.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh God...

… sometimes it seems like we play two teams every week: whomever we’re playing and the guys in stripes. We had a horsecollar penalty called on Suh last week when he actually grabbed the guy by the dreads… (legal, btw) though, I must admit that I think the refs actually did make the right move, just called the wrong penalty – I am reasonably sure that Suh also grabbed the guy by the facemask as well as pulled him down by the hair. So the facemask penalty would’ve been the same anyway. It’s just seems like the refs could improve a bit in their performance as well as the Lions.

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I totally disagree on the facemask thing.

Some Cowboy fan is circulating the still picture, but look at the video. If it’s a facemask, why is his head turning AWAY from the supposed ‘grab’? Not to mention he immediately let go of hari and helmet alike and finished the tackle appropriately, which is the blatant definition of incidental contact, which is no longer penalized in the NFL.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 3:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm...

.. Will have to watch again…

by Icemancm on Nov 23, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Ndamukong Suh

I was pushing for this guy when he was in Nebraska to win the Heisman that year, and glad to see he’s making some sort of contribution to the Lions.

What is your assessment of Suh’s time in Motown so far?

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by R_Adragna on Nov 23, 2010 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

...other than he sucks as a kicker, that is.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 23, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't suck as a kicker! ><

He just wasn’t given an opportunity to warm up, and still just missed the XPA by a couple inches.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, then please use him as your kicker...

…but don’t let him warm up.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 23, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha.

Sure, but can he still be our DT? :P

CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly.

Probably not. :P His family plays soccer professiionally. Giving him more reps would not be the best idea if our placekicker goes down.

But, I know for a fact Schwartz learned his lesson on that, and given a second circumstance like that would obviously call the time out, so I mean, why not ice him then? :P

CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

There's

Nothing I can really say about Suh that hasn’t really all been said. All the rumors are true, he’s a beast who’s really hard to stop, and if you let him in space he’s going to get to whoever has the ball. He lacks a little finesse in run stopping, but he’s learning and getting better every game.

by Mavyrk on Nov 23, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

that CB A Smith you guys got from Denver

is he any good….what spot is he in the depth chart?

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 23, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

Most def

He’s got a FF and five picks, one of which was returned for a TD (guessing some of you guys have seen the Carlton dance by now). Right now he’s second on the depth chart after Chris Houston, though if you ask me he’s significantly better then Houston in coverage, though his size tends to make him pretty much a non-factor in run support. Still, he’s got great instincts and considering we pretty much gave up nothing to get him (we traded Dan Gronkowski, a seventh round pick who had literally zero chance of making the final roster) we’re pretty ecstatic that he’s turned out so well.

Have no idea why the Broncos gave up on the 37th overall pick after a single season, but I greatly appreciate it.

by motown313 on Nov 23, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

damn u for trading GRONK!!!

lol…the Gronk family was suppose to spend their thanksgiving @ that game till Josh McD decided " hey if bill belichick has a gronk….I will get a Gronk too"

too bad the two brothers wont be playing against each other

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 23, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

there has to be

around 4 Gronkowskis in the league this year!

by CLF on Nov 23, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Three that I know of (all brothers):

New England (Rob – TE) 6-6 265
Denver (Dan – TE) 6-5 255
Dallas (Chris – FB) 6-2 245 (the shrimp of the family)

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Nov 23, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

yep there's only three

but OUR Gronk is worth double the media mentions.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Nov 23, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

maube in 2 years...we can have Dan and also get Jason McC

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 23, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe*

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 23, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah...they gave up a 1st rd pick on him to get him in the 2nd rd....weird

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 23, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

They've gotta be kicking themselves for that one

the pick they gave up ended up being Earl Thomas, who looks like a guy who will end up being a perennial Pro Bowler. Classic case of Front Office failure if I’ve ever seen one.

by motown313 on Nov 23, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

add

drafting Tebow in the 1st rd, trading away Marshall, trading Cutler was a good thing..so, trading away Hills

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 23, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a real find for us.

That also gave Gronkowski the best chance of making a team by going to the Broncos. Supposedly he’s going to do the Thriller dance on his next pick 6… maybe we can see it tomorrow? :P

by coolbreeze42 on Nov 24, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

CC Brown

Giants fans call him Can’t Cover…..is he bad as last yr, better or just ok?

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 24, 2010 5:08 AM EST reply actions  

He can't cover.

But he can tackle, and that’s just fine with us.

CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.

by Mavyrk on Nov 24, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Scheme...

CC ironically had his best game against the Giants. He has been great in run support and in that game he had several pass deflections despite the comment above.

I’m glad he was available to step in for the games he did start as he had very few Gaffs.

by CLF on Nov 24, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

btw...How is blondie aka Bobby Carpenter and Rob Simms doing

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by NinjaZX6R on Nov 24, 2010 5:09 AM EST reply actions  

Simms has had a good season so far.

Few penalties… started every game… A dream.

Peterman(RG) on the other hand….. oye!

by CLF on Nov 24, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

CC Brown has that nickname for a reason

And I’ve seen nothing from him to take that nickname away from him this year. He’s the target of most of our criticism when he’s in.

Carpenter hasn’t seen too much playing time, but Sims has done a wonderful job. He’s really helped Backus out in Pass protection, and is one of our best O-linemen.

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by Bighaircut on Nov 24, 2010 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

How has Manny Ramirez done this year?

And I’m NOT talking about the former Bostonite…

Beat Northwestern, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 24, 2010 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

I personally think you guys are VERY VERY freakin underrated. I have been routing for the lions all season as well.

How is that safety you guys drafted last year or a couple years ago? Louis Delmas?

How have your rookies been? Who are the standouts? Who are not? I know about Suh, and he scares me. Best, I know, has been amazing for you guys offensively. How about the others?

How is Pettigrew doing? Stafford?

iyo, is Calvin Johnson, the 3rd best, second best, or THE best receiver in the game? I think he is the second best personally. :)

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by patriotguy2 on Nov 24, 2010 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Well...

Delmas is a beast. Period.

Suh has been outstanding, but Best has not actually done much besides one game. He’s limited because of turf toe on both of his feet though. Spievey has had a few good plays here and there but also has a big learning curve ahead of him.

‘Grew is an emerging young talent, although has had his drops this season. Stafford has obviously been injured for most of the games this year, you’ve had to have heard that, right?

Calvin could be the best receiver, he just sometimes disappears from a game for awhile, only to emerge at the end and make a big catch or create a big play. He should be the best for sure, and while I still think he’s top 3 in the NFL, he needs to step up his play and be consistently good game to game.

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by Bighaircut on Nov 24, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I know stafford was injured, but I'd like to know how is he when he plays.

When he’s on the field, what does he have to work on besides staying off the injury report(thinking you’d probably have said this. lol)? What are his strengths and weaknesses so far?

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by patriotguy2 on Nov 24, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Strengths and weaknesses.

Strengths – He has a team of world class receivers all around him, a lightning fast delivery, a powerful arm, and he’s somewhat mobile and very intelligent.

Weaknesses – He hasn’t managed a full season, he has no running game to take the focus off him, he plays with Bryant Johnson, and he plays for the Lions.

CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.

by Mavyrk on Nov 24, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Bryant Johnson? I used to think he was underrated(maybe still do).

How bad(assuming due to our remark) is he?

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by patriotguy2 on Nov 24, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Um.

A common game for him is getting targetted 8 times, being wide open for 6 of those times, and catching one.

There was one time when we were in the redzone and BJ caught a pass in the flat for a touchdown, the Lions game thread was spammed with “WHAT? BJ CAUGHT SOMETHING?!”

CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.

by Mavyrk on Nov 24, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

BJ has been targeted...

over 30 times this year and has 8 receptions.

I’ll let you be the judge.

What’s up with welker having a bunch of drops this year?

by CLF on Nov 24, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Welker doesn't look entirely comfortable, yet

Which isn’t surprising, that injury supposedly takes two years to come back from entirely. Whether it’s because he hears footsteps sometimes, or just isn’t in the correct position to make all the catches because his knee is unstable still, his catch rate is about 10% lower than every other year. He does seem to be improving with time, which could be the offence in general gelling, or could be a progressive improvement with his knee health.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 24, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The Lions and Patriots

Are number 1 and 2 in terms of dropped passes this year. An interesting statistic.

Creative names? Hm. Dirt ball bowl. Drop bowl. Ground ball bowl. Bo- (incompleted bowl :P)

CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.

by Mavyrk on Nov 24, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Brady had accuracy problems early.. culiminating in the Browns game.

He was about 3 feet off on every pass. It SEEMS fixed.

I’m in favor of Pig in Mud Bowl myself :P

by satsunada on Nov 24, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Hoodie versus Schwartz?

I’m sure you could make a bunch of Star Wars and/or Spaceballs references right now.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 24, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds like Randy Moss when he was with us this year.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

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by patriotguy2 on Nov 24, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Except

BJ actually tries. It’s kind of sad how allergic he looks to the ball. If he were a CB he’d be the most decorated cornerback of all time, it’s like he has anti-football magnets in his gloves.

CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.

by Mavyrk on Nov 24, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.. the stereotypical movie receiver?

Awesome. Pretty rare to see someone that could actually BE the prototype receivers from Unnecessary Roughness and the Replacements.

by satsunada on Nov 24, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Need to Forrest Gump him?

Get someone else to catch it for him and tuck it under his arm.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 24, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno.

The only one that catches balls around him are DBs. I dunno how much we’d have to pay to get them to go along with it, but we are putting a lot of money into Stafford and Suh as it is.

CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.

by Mavyrk on Nov 24, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

To answer some of your questions.

Delmas is an awesome guy, a great team player, and is performing well in his second year. He’s nothing perfect, but he’s a shining star on a defense that has seen at least a couple stars shine this year.

Our rookies this year have been Aaron Berry, Ndamukong Suh, Amari Spievey, and Jahvid Best. Among the four, there’s only one obvious standout, and that’s Suh. Jahvid Best has had an injury-burdened first year that has seen his play drop significantly, but when he’s healthy he’s a bad man. Amari Spievey got a starting job from C.C. Brown since his injury, and is learning well on the job in one of the more difficult football positions. He’s prone to make mistakes, but I’ve seen good things from Spievey enough to say he will be a competent NFL player.

Our one rookie, Aaron Berry, is on IR since the beginning of the second quarter in week 1. In the only NFL quarter he’s played, he recorded 3 tackles, a pass deflection, and an interception. Lord knows how well we’d be doing if a guy like Berry were still healthy, he’s a stud.

Pettigrew has suffered a case of dropitis, but seems to be recovering well. He’s a good, reliable guy, and can be counted on as a target regardless of QB. Plus he’s bigger than CJ, so he’s really hard to tangle with.

And CJ? Based on his performance this year, I’d say fifth, but there’s a lot of circumstances that lead to that. Given overall play and general talent level among NFL players overall, he’s either tied for 2nd or he’s 3rd, depending on who you ask.

CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.

by Mavyrk on Nov 24, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks. :)

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

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by patriotguy2 on Nov 24, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

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