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BenJarvus Green-Ellis & 1,000 yards

We all know the story behind BenJarvus Green-Ellis. Came into the year at the bottom of the RB depth chart  and after the Maroney trade and injuries to Fred Taylor and Kevin Faulk he became the Starter. After today's game in Chicago he stands at 786 rushing yards with three games left to play, those being the Packers, Bills and the Dolphins. The Packers are roghly the same level as the patriots in terms of Run Defense, with an average of 111.3 rushing yards allowed per game (Patriots 114.1) and we will have to see how he does against them Sunday night. Buffallo ranks dead last in Run Defense with 170.9 yards allowed per game and in week 3 Green-Ellis gained 98 yards against Buffalo, with the Patriots having a total of 200  rushing yards. Also if anyone remembers Green-Ellis had 105 Rushing yards and a touchdown against Buffalo back in 2008, so we can hope to see around 100 yards for Green-Ellis in Buffalo. Miami is statistically the best of these teams in terms of Run Defense, ranking 9th in the league with an of average of 99.6 yards by opponents, however  the Patriots did put up 119 yards against the Dolphins back in week four and the law firm accounted for 76 of those rushing yards. The other factor in this is that the Patriots like using Woodhead and we could see more of Fred Taylor in the next three games.Now Benjarvus Green-Ellis currently needs 214 yards in three games to get to 1,000 rushing yards and many projections put him at around around 950 rushing yards for the season. But i don't think it is that unrealistic that he will get to the 1k mark and he would be the first Patriot to do so since Corey Dillon set a franchise record of 1,635 rushing yards in the 2004-2005 season.

My projection for the next three weeks is:

12/19  vs Green Bay- BJGE: 75 yards

Packers vs Patriots coverage

May be high but he just rushed 86 yards against the Bears #2 Rush Defense (84.9 yards per game)

Patriots vs Bears boxscore

12/26 @ Buffalo- BJGE: 95 yards

This total is lower than what some might expect,but i think the Pats will spread the ball around between their RB's

1/2 vs Miami- BJGE: 60 yards

The Patriots will only NOT rest their starters in the 2nd half/4th quarter if they lose the previous 2.

Total: 230 rushing yards for BJGE

(p.s before anyone leaves a comment I'm just rounding on the game totals obviously i don't expect him to finish this neatly in each game)

Season Total: 1,016 rushing yards for the law firm

Well that's my estimate, I say that BenJavus Green-Ellis makes it to 1,000 yards in Foxborough against the Dolphins. I also see him finishing with 15 Rushing TD's.

Even if the Law Firm reaches 1,000+ yards there is a possibility that the Patriots could draft Mark Ingram and he would either lose his starting job or be traded/sign with another team because he is a RFA in 2011. Granted he will most likely have the starting job if Ingram isn't drafted and that is dependent on how the raiders do the rest of the season.

What do you folks think? Please answer the poll and leave comments.

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Will the Law firm make it to 1k?
Rule in Favor
114 votes
Rule Against
11 votes
The Jury is out
19 votes

144 votes | Poll has closed

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All the Run Defense stats are before taking todays games into account

by Meatface on Dec 13, 2010 3:25 AM EST reply actions  

Benny needs to merge with Crane, Poole & Schmidt

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by insertscreenname on Dec 13, 2010 3:38 AM EST reply actions  

Denny Crane!!!!!!!

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by PatNation85 on Dec 13, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm rooting for him

Ya never know!

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Dec 13, 2010 5:39 AM EST reply actions  

BJGE......

I dont see the Pats picking a RB high in the draft. BJGE does exactly what BB wants. He hits the holes hard, never fumbles, and never seems to go backwards. He fits perfectly into our scheme, especially now that Woodhead has arrived to take on the Faulk role. I dont think BB sees much value in taking RB’s high in the draft, especially after getting burned with Maroney.

by PAC1318 on Dec 13, 2010 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

I'm in full agreement

Pats don’t need to waste a draft pick on a RB, even if he’s a stud.

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by Marima on Dec 13, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

well...maybe a hybrid fb/rb to replace morris

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by NinjaZX6R on Dec 13, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

i know...prob in the 5th rd onwards

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by NinjaZX6R on Dec 13, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Those guys are quite low.

The best FB/RB hybrid guy around, Le’Ron McClain, was a 4th round, 137th overall pick.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 13, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised to see a guy taken for depth.

Morris and Taylor are done next year.

Faulk may or may not be back (he’d split time with Woody if he did).

I’d be really surprised if there weren’t new legs in camp next year.

Granted they could be veteran FA’s like Morris or Taylor, or even UFA’s like Faulk and Woody.

A late round guy wouldn’t surprise me at all.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 13, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I see Green-Ellis and Woodhead coming back

and potentially keeping Clayton for depth. I bet they draft a big blocker FB late since they haven’t had a real one in a few season with Heath Evans gone. With so many other needs on the offensive line and defensive front 7 I can’t see Belichick taking a running back higher than the 4th or 5th round.

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by JeffyB on Dec 13, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see a FB thay is more of a big body RB.

Some guy that can block and bust between the tackles, but can catch and get some yards in space if need be.

In the Heath Evans mold.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 13, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

That's kinda what I was trying to say

I definitely didn’t articulate that very well lol

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by JeffyB on Dec 13, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

A bigger version of Sammy Morris rather than a true FB.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 13, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh. I would mind that...

But I think I’d rather have a pure FB.

We haven’t had one since Heath Evans. A guy you can lead block, who can be a checkdown option out of the backfield. A big guy who is tough to move, and tough to bring down. The guy that can always get 2 yards, but may never get more. The guy who paves the way for your RB. The good, all around, pure FB type.

by UtopianAverage on Dec 13, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait...

Isn’t Heath Evans kinda like a bigger Sammy Morris? He was never Lousaka Polite or anything but he could definitely block, run, catch, or whatever.

When I hear “pure FB” I think Dan Connolly with a different jersey number.

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by JeffyB on Dec 13, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

When I think of pure fullback

I think of a big guy, who can plow forward for 2 yards, lead block for his RB, and sometimes be a bit of a checkdown option out of the backfield, almost like a bigger TE. I don’t really think of a truly dangerous receiver, or a truly dangerous runner, but a guy who can do a little bit of those things in addition to lead blocking and pass protection.

by UtopianAverage on Dec 13, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Dan Connolly to me

Is an OLineman pretending to be a FB. Which is okay.

But I think a pure FB would be a better lead blocker, and would ALSO be a receiving option, and a short-yardage running option.

by UtopianAverage on Dec 13, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder though

Would an FB like you’ve described fit our offense? Granted, we’ve been changing, so maybe that’s the direction we’re going. I’d definitely like to see a greater investment in the run game though. Green-Ellis has done great this season and I’d think an upgrade to the lead blocking role (either FB or keeping Alge Crumpler as the blocking TE) would allow us to run on pretty much anybody. Given that we’ve been emphasizing balance it’s troublesome when we can’t get the ground game going (not that it’s been a problem in a while, anyways. SD might be the last time we couldn’t run at will).

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by JeffyB on Dec 13, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think so.

Crump and Gronk had a HUGE impact on our running game this year.

They’ve been fantastic, and I’m not downplaying that.

However I feel it’d only get even better with an effective lead blocking FB, in addition to having Crump and Gronk.

by UtopianAverage on Dec 13, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

No need for one

They’re just not versatile enough, especially when you’ve got Gronk and Hernandez who can get around the backfield and into the slot at will.

That goes double when two UFAs are running for something like 4.3 and 5.5 ypc behind a merry-go-round O-line and the TEs. How would a FB improve it?

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 13, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like a good FB

good definitely improve the running game.

I understand we can use our TEs in the backfield. But I don’t know that a TE is as effective as a FB, as a pure FB is.

And just because our running game is effective without a FB on the roster, doesn’t mean a pure FB wouldn’t improve it. I’m not saying we should spend a ton of money, or a high pick on a FB.

I just would like to see one on the roster, sometime.

by UtopianAverage on Dec 13, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd argue

that Crumpler has blocked better this season than just about any player on the offense not named Logan Mankins.

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by JeffyB on Dec 13, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying we should spend a ton of money, or a high pick on a FB.

Not really the cost I was worrying about. Just seems like a waste of a roster spot for a guy who might get 4 or 5 reps a game – goal-line and the occasional two-back set. Sammy Morris is only getting 2 or 3 offensive snaps a game, and Connolly is only getting 2 or 3 snaps a game as a FB.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 13, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I said this below as well

But I think if we had a better FB, we’d use him more.

Our offense features more balance than it used to, and I think our run game would get a jolt from having an effective lead blocker. You can run behind a FB even when you need more than 2 yards.

by UtopianAverage on Dec 13, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't really pass as well with a FB (compared to a TE)

So if you show FB, you’re really saying “we’re taking this out of Brady’s hands”. A power-run game works best when you run your #1 RB 20+ times a game, and that’s 20+ touches where you’re wasting Brady.

More to the point, he’d be the #3 or #4 RB on the depth chart – #1 Benny, #2 Woodhead, (maybe) #3 Faulk, probably a backup RB at 3 or 4, so your fullback would be #5.

That #5 RB slot is usually for a guy who does everything – Sammy Morris this year, as he’s a RB/FB who can catch out of the backfield as third-down back, fill in as a #1-type RB, pass-protect, and play special teams. Almost no “pure FB” types can do that, because if they could, they’d be RBs. In other words you’d be shortchanging the team by having less versatility down the depth-chart, not more.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 13, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

A "pure FB" is a blocking / short yardage back.

Not necessarily a back field threat or an open field threat.

Much less useful than the big body RB type that can do all of the above, but might not be as beefy.

The “pure FB” only tends to exist on run first teams, because the run is their bread and butter.

I’s rather have a Heath Evans that can be useful in multiple formations. For several years, now, I’ve tried to come up with a reasonable 53 man roster. It’s quite an exercise to try to allow for depth. The more the guy can do, the more useful he is.

A guy that can always get you two yards when you need it is useful.
Of course, those situations may happen 10 times in one game and not again for 3 games. Meanwhile that guy sits there and eats into the 45 man gameday roster – just in case.

I’d rather have a guy that can not only help on special teams, but can catch and is useful in space. I can see that guy on the field quite a bit. Sammy Morris with more meat.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 13, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, I guess our definition of pure FB is a bit different

I’m just thinking of a guy who’s not a TE or an OL pretending to be a fullback.

And a guy who is very effective as a lead blocker, and a short yardage runner.

And to me if we had a more effective FB, we would use him more than 3-5 times a game. We’d probably feature more 2 back sets, and use a lead blocker more often. You can run behind a FB even if you need more than 2 yards.

He might be there more often than the 3-5 short yardage looks you get per game.

by UtopianAverage on Dec 13, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

They have a FB on the roster, too

Eric Kettani, of Navy, he’s on the Military Reserve list.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 13, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

A few quick notes young one

Comedic is a lawyer. Comedic hates FB and drafting running backs. He’s a good guy.. but as you can see, this discussion is loaded. Trust me on this…

Best to just say “I think we should have a FB” then let Comedic run wild with it. You’re feelings are heard.. Comedic is happy. All is well.

by satsunada on Dec 13, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

BJGE is running at 4.something and a dozen TDs; Woodhead's at 5.5ypc

I’m happy as-is :) If it aint broke, etc.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 13, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

definition of pure FB = Sam Gash

Played during the Bledsoe era, lead-blocked for Curtis Martin

by eat ur wheaties on Dec 14, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I was going to say.

We’re not running Lombardi-esque power sweeps here, people! We need someone who can plow forward ok, lead block well, and catch like a TE.

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by insertscreenname on Dec 14, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't we have this debate already?

I thought satsunada and CS beat each other over the head with a rod over RBs. sat wound up self-banishing himself until DDR was dumped.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll just smile whenever Gronk and Crumpler own someone in a block.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 15, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

satsunada

put down the nunchucks.

I SAID PUT THEM DOWN!

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I would like that, but I don't think it will happen.

but the only reason I can come up with, is that they’ll likely sit him in the last game to get rest, and let chis taylor run more. :/

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by patriotguy2 on Dec 13, 2010 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

I actually think the last game is where he'll get it done

Because I think Brady might sit after the first 2 or 3 drives if they can score a couple TDs. If it’s Hoyer at QB they’re pretty likely to run it a lot more, which I think will be the key to Green-Ellis getting the last 90 or so yards he’ll probably need by then.

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by JeffyB on Dec 13, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to take a RB in rounds 5-7

Or pick up another undrafted guy.

I think BJGE and Woody are great for their roles. But I’d like to see youthful depth behind them, other than Clayton. I agree with you guys also that a FB type would be nice. We really haven’t had a pure FB on the roster since Heath Evans. I was a big Heath Evans fan when he was here, and he has done well for himself with the Saints as well.

I think picking up a RB, and/or a FB in rounds 5-7 or as an undrafted free agent would be a wise move. Mainly for depth.

by UtopianAverage on Dec 13, 2010 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

I’d like to take a RB in rounds 5-7
Or pick up another undrafted guy.

Hoodie’s done that every year, so I see it as extremely likely, if not inevitable.

I wrote this back pre-draft:

The second trend is the likelihood that the Pats will take at least one young RB, every year, irrespective of need. In 2004 they took UFA Chapman, in 2005 it was UFA Kyle Eckel, in 2006 they drafted Maroney and took UFA Patrick Cobbs too. In 2007 they drafted 6th rounder Justice Hairston with a compensatory pick. In 2008 they took BenJarvus “Law Firm” Green-Ellis as an Undrafted Free Agent. And last year, part-way through the season the Pats picked up ex-UFA Chris Taylor from free agency. Every year the Pats have picked up a low-round draftee or UFA, irrespective of whether they’ve taken a stud RB in free agency or the draft.

Sure enough, the Pats picked up that UFA running back (whose name now eludes me). He didn’t survive past training camp, but they kicked the tyres all the same.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 13, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

And I'd love to see that again.

Thanks for the research there, that was really interesting.

I remember specifically Justice Hairston, as he was a Central Connecticut kid.

Yeah hopefully the one or two we get next year is more like Law Firm than Chris Taylor. Someone that sticks.

by UtopianAverage on Dec 13, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually that's Justise Hairston

Born in New Britain Connecticut, played for Central Connecticut State University.

Never really expected him to do well, but if he had it would’ve been a great story. CCSU is most definitely not known for their football players.

by UtopianAverage on Dec 13, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I attend CCSU and he is only the second Football player to be drafted from CCSU. he did set the single season Rushing yard record here with 1,800. Unfortunate that he wasn’t able to find a team.

by Meatface on Dec 13, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Mark Ingram and Fred Taylor.

(Just a couple name corrections for the main post and comments).

Interesting take. I think he gets 1000.

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by Hometown Gyro on Dec 13, 2010 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

Me personally? I would love to bring in Mekell Leshoure, the RB out of Illinois.

He is projected a very late second rounder to early 3rd rounder. Too early for us to select a RB?

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by PatNation85 on Dec 13, 2010 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

Depends how many 3rd rounders they have.

and what type of RB he is (which would dictate his number of snaps). If he’s a special teamer, good in pass-protection, can catch the ball, etc… he’ll be on the field more and thus you can justify using a higher pick on him.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 13, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

He gets the job done.

But then, your aunt Petunia would do better than Maroney; she’s tougher.

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by BabeParilli on Dec 13, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

...and has a bigger mustache....

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 14, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think our main focus for the draft should be Defensive Line.

The rest of the spots are pretty much covered

Safeties: Pat Chung, Brandon Meriweather, James Sanders
Cornerbacks: Devin McCourty, Leigh Bodden, Kyle Arrington, Darius Butler.
Linebackers: Jerod Mayo, Brandon Spikes, Gary Guyton, Rob Ninkovich, Tully Banta-Cain, Jermaine Cunningham, and the new guy Moore.

Quarterback: Tom Brady
Runningback: Ben Jarvous Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead
Wide Receiver: Wes Welker, Deion Branch, Brandon Tate, Julian Edelman
Tight ends: Aaron Hernandez, Rob Gronkowski

The only standout spot that we need help in is the Defensive Line. With Wilfork, we got a beast, but the others (Brace, Love, Wright, Daederick, and Warren) are really streaky. We will see if Brace, Love, and Daederick go into Training Camp intensively and make big improvements.

The other spot that many could say we need help with is the WR. But actually I dont think so because:
1) We already got 4: Welker, Branch, Tate, and Edelman
2) I would like to see Tate and Edelman get more playing time here and there.
3) We are starting to go a lot more with formations such as: 3 WRS, 1 TE, 1 RB; 2WRS, 2 TEs, 1 RB. Where 4 or more WRs are not needed.
4) With the addition of a running game and big play tight ends, we dont really need that much weapons in the WR spots.
5) The good WRs go early in the draft, and I rather have those early picks addressed to a a position we really do need help in

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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Dec 13, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

Don't forget about Price at WR

He was a 3rd round pick. He hasn’t really gotten any opportunities so I’d like to see him get a chance next year.

I agree that DLine is a top need. I’d almost argue that OLine is a bigger need however.

by UtopianAverage on Dec 13, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

How much worse

could price be than Tate?

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by BabeParilli on Dec 13, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't like Tate's catch?

He’s growing in confidence with his hands. He says he’s been working on them, and he’s caught a TD and a circus-catch in consecutive weeks.

I wonder whether Meriweather took him aside. Meriweather couldn’t catch a cold his rookie year, and now he’s becoming a ball-hawk.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 14, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

That's coaching and practice

The DBs all have to spend quality time with the JUGS machine after practice. Looks like it is time well spent.

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by Marima on Dec 14, 2010 5:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes,

we still need defensive help. I would like an edge rusher and another CB (assuming Butler continues to be a bust).

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by BabeParilli on Dec 13, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Butler looks all right the last couple of weeks

He does look better as a nickelback, but then, that’s what I thought he should’ve been doing all along. He would’ve only been a nickel if Bodden had stayed healthy, after all, and can probably do spot-duty at starter if necessary.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 14, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone ever told you,

that you show kindness to a fault? ; )

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by BabeParilli on Dec 14, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah, not quite

Do I want him lined up outside? Not so much. But he’s had a couple of pass breakups and almost an interception when lined up in between the hash-marks covering #3 WRs. That’s all you ask of the guy in there… and he’s unlikely to give up 20 yard pass interference penalties when lined up on underneath WRs.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 14, 2010 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget we need parts of the o-line

I hope Mankins is signed, but we could need a RT, LG, and C as Light and Koppen may be a year away from being ineffective. O-line is the bigger concern to me. With that said, we are definitely missing a true playmaker at DE + OLB positions. Maybe Brace can take that next step but he looks like a solid role player, not a special player. The DE also makes the OLBs look a lot better and get opportunities for sacks and forced fumbles. Maybe Cunningham looks even better rushing next to a DE who is a special player.

I think we look for a Tackle and a DE with 2 out of our first 3 picks (wherever they may end up). Of course, belichick will target the best players and pick a guy at a position of strength.

RB has become a position of strength all of a sudden. Next year, I don’t think Freddy returns and Faulk may be on his way out too. They may spend a 6th or 7th rounder on a power runner

by ximan86x on Dec 14, 2010 2:02 AM EST reply actions  

Hopefully Ty Warren comes back

And if G. Warren was on a 1 year deal I hope we bring him back for 1 more. That might ease our DL concerns some. I still think it is a need, but we’re in agreement that OL is more of a need.

by UtopianAverage on Dec 14, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Like I said before, you want a FB, get Marecic, cos he gives you LB depth and ST coverage as well.

Also he knows Luck’s tendencies so he’ll help us get 5+ INT if we play the Panthers ;)

by quadruple option on Dec 14, 2010 2:22 AM EST reply actions  

Yep, that's the kind of FB I could actually see as a decent investment

A pure FB would only get a dozen snaps per game, but a STer/FB/LB would likely save a roster spot by being so versatile. A LB with a FB’s blocking skills is great for playing lineman on the punt unit, on punt returns as a blocker, on kick returns as a blocker, and on kick coverage as a wedge-buster. Throw in a half-dozen FB snaps and him being LB depth, voila, that’s got some worth above and beyond most special teams LBs (think Pierre Woods, Larry Izzo, etc).

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 14, 2010 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I think everybody is also using the term "pure" FB...

differently than I was.

I was simply trying to differentiate between actual FBs and TEs or OL playing FB.

I’d also have no problem with a FB/LB/ST, as long as when he’s playing FB he’s effective in a lead blocking role. Versatility is never a bad thing.

If I recall correctly Heath Evans played ST for us no ?

by UtopianAverage on Dec 14, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like:

1st round: DE/OLB & DE/DT
2nd round: OG & RB
3rd round: OT & CB
4th round: WR/C………if WR Greg Little is still on the board go for him. If not go for a C like KirkPatrick from TCU!
5th round: C/WR
6th round: RB

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by PatNation85 on Dec 14, 2010 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

I honestly don't think WR is a pressing need at all this year

but late in the draft is probably when BB would start looking for one.

Some possible late round WRs/UDFAs:

David Gilreath, WR, Wisconsin better as a gunner than as a PR/KR, also a fairly good 3rd or 4th receiver. Kid can get open and make the catch. Likely an UDFA/6th/7th round pick
Greg Salas, WR, Hawaii I think he’s not going to go too highly, “being a product of Hawaii’s zany offensive system”, but he caught 106 passes this season and could make more receptions in the postseason. Likely 4th round or lower selection.
Jordan White, WR, Western Michigan Comes from the same offensive system that produced Greg Jennings. 94 receptions this past year (Western Michigan is NOT going to the postseason.) Probably a good depth pick and late round selection.
Terrance Turner, WR, Indiana comes from a pass-heavy offensive system, while he doesn’t have blazing speed, he has very good hands and is a solid possession and 3rd down receiver. Probably another post-5th round selection.
Jeff Maehl, WR, Oregon Probably going to be the highest drafted of all of these players. Solid possession receiver with plenty of highlight reel catches in his career. A big game in the National Title game could propel him into the top 3 rounds, if he’s not there already.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Any late-round Notre Dame/'Bama/Gator/Rutgers WRs worthy of a look?

Like #2 or #3 guys from those systems (esp. Notre Dame and Alabama)

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 15, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

Mays would have to leave early. And even then, he’d go in the top 3 rounds.

Michael Floyd is apparently going to go pro, and he’s a possible VJ 2.0. He’s probably going to go in the top 2 rounds.
Julio Jones, if he leaves early, is going to be a top 25 selection; he finally punched through the 1,000 yard barrier and was an effective redzone threat this season (For once, considering how he was targeted about a thousand times in the red zone a year before and made maybe 9 receptions). Not a shabby blocker at all, but he’s going to go really high in the draft.

The top 4 receivers in this year’s draft are looking like Justin Blackmon, Julio Jones, Michael Floyd, and Ryan Broyles. Ronald Johnson is on the outside looking in despite his physical abilities; there’s a buyer-beware risk with USC wide receivers (for every Keyshawn, there’s an R-Jay Soward. For every Steve Smith 2.0, there’s a Keary Colbert) and Johnson did not turn in a spectacular season.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2010 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I knew about Jones and Floyd

I wondered if there were less impressive, under-the-radar #2 guys that were still pretty good, but not as productive because they weren’t Floyd or Jones.

Basically the Ron Brace to Floyd/Jones’s BJ Raji.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 15, 2010 3:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Maze was the understudy to Julio Jones

Aside from Michael Floyd, I can’t think of ONE Notre Dame wide receiver worth a look as a UDFA…

Wisconsin has 3 WRs graduating at the end of the year. Those are the guys I know most about, having watched them for 4 years in a row now.

Isaac Anderson: 5’10", 176 lbs. Can be a good PR in a pinch (as in you’ve lost your top 3 PRs for the rest of the season, eh) and a great punt coverage man. He’s a very good route runner and a good pass catcher, but isn’t known for any Randy Moss like catches (get off my profile PN85!)
Kyle Jefferson: 6’5", 180 lbs. Never got much playing time after a good freshman season. I mean NEVER. I thought Wisconsin didn’t play to Jefferson’s strengths since his freshman season (06). He’s definitely got track speed, and he’d be a great jump-ball target in the endzone, but Wisconsin simply never used him that way, or any other way for that matter. He was stuck as the #5 WR on a power-running team once Nick Toon and Jared Abbrederis (true frosh) got going.
David Gilreath: 5’11", 169 lbs. Speedy wide receiver, but not such a great punt or kick returner (although he was fabulous against the Buckeyes, heh). Dances WAY too much as a return man, which is not exactly desirable. Wisconsin used Gilreath as a speed rusher on end arounds. A LOT. He had a 90 yard rush for a touchdown in 2008, a punt return for a touchdown against Northwestern last year, and a 97 yard kick return for a touchdown this past year. He’s got better hands than Anderson and Jefferson, but he’s great in between the 20s and not so good in the red zone.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2010 3:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Gronk and Hernandez have the Red Zone looks sewn up...

Playing as many special teams units as possible will help.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 15, 2010 3:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and all three of those receivers are great downfield blockers.

Gilreath not so much as the others, but Anderson was good on receiving bubble screens (which we use a lot) and blocking for those screens.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohhhhhhh Randyyyyyyy

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by PatNation85 on Dec 15, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a streaky player, he'll go off for 200 against someone

and then get completely shut down.

LeShoure has a good burst of speed in the open field, and is a powerful runner, but his coaches haven’t really put an emphasis on getting him the football out of the backfield.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

So like how Taylor Price waasn't in a pass happy offense, Leshoure

is in an offense that doesn’t place a great emphasis on running?

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by PatNation85 on Dec 15, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

No, LeShoure IS his offense.

Scheelhaase couldn’t have asked for a much better running back for his freshman season, IMO. Illinois used the option more than any Big Ten team except Michigan, and with good success.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

man...i can't wait for next year.....

I will be rooting hard for him (since he is from the town i live in right now)

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by NinjaZX6R on Dec 15, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

BB is NOT going to draft a receiver in the top 20...

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Also OBrien, what about a late 3rd round WR like Austin pettis out of Boise?

He’s 6’3 203lbs, 4.59 40….not too fast but that’s alright isn’t it? Is the 3rd round too soon for a WR, when we may not need one?

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by PatNation85 on Dec 15, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Pettis

seems like he’d make an excellent NFL WR. I think the Colts might end up taking him in the 2nd round tho O_o

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I totally agree

I could seriously see Jacksonville using a first round pick on him. He’s a solid wide receiver who would greatly help out that offense.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

me like Turner from IN

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by NinjaZX6R on Dec 15, 2010 3:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I took a look at the 5th round projected Greg Salas who is 6'2 210lbs and runs a 4.57 40 time.

He has a soft like body build. No muscle mass, kind of slushy. And don’t forget Armon Binns of Cincinnati who’s 6’3 205lbs and runs a 4.56 40 time, that’s also projected as a 5th rounder. I like the smurfs, but i would really love a larger WR as well. Maybe i was spoiled.
I'm over Randy
But let’s also not forget Taylor Price who is 6’0 205lbs.

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by PatNation85 on Dec 15, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

8 yards shy from your prediction

nice job.

I don't think so. Homey don't play dat.

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