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Hola, Pats fans! SJS here, a member of Windy City Gridiron, the SB Nation Bears blog.

Should be a game and a half on Sunday. Before you ask, yes, the Bears are 9-3, and no, they won't apologize for it. Honestly, I'm scared of any offense run by Brady, and the Pats just seem to keep plugging in pieces and keep moving. I hope our defense is able to contain Brady enough - it's a good defense but something about the Pats offense bugs me.

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Score is nothing-nothing. Who's winning?

But seriously, the Bears have been a surprise of sorts this year. Who or what has been the X-factor in that?

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by R_Adragna on Dec 8, 2010 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

So much has changed since last year

that I’m not sure there’s a single X-factor. I mean, we added Pep, got back a healthy Urlacher, Marinelli’s the DC, Tice is the O-Line coach…

But if I’m boiling it down to a single point, it’s gotta be Martz’s ability to adjust to the personnel he has to work with. It’s no secret the Bears don’t have the O-Line to run Martz’s scheme as he would like it run. He’s running the ball a lot more, which is helping keep the pressure off Jay and keep opposing offenses off the field (I think against PHI Vick and the offense saw the field all of two minutes in the third quarter, if that). The Bears are undefeated since the bye, and even though the level of competition hasn’t been, say, top of the line, I don’t think it’s coincidence that since around that time it’s been about 50-50 run/pass.

It’s basically “We may not run well, but we’ll run to make you play it,” which is something we didn’t have when the Giants treated Jay like a tackling dummy.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 8, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Few Things

The renewed defense.
The refreshed defense, (spearheaded by Julius Peppers, see my response below), has allowed the team to be successful even while the new offense goes through growing pains, which leads us to…

The new new offense
While the offense is new, ever since the bye week we’ve been seeing the new new offense. This is the weird, balanced Mike Martz offense that no one has ever seen for this kind of stretch before. It’s allowing the Bears to establish some sort of run game, which makes the play action and bootlegs more effective. And those bootlegs are run by…

Jay Cutler settled the hell down.
He’s gotten back to moving around better, and has stopped forcing all the things that made him Rex Cutler last year, and during the Washington game. The offense is settling in around him, and he looks more comfortable every week. If he keeps improving as he goes, this offense should be very good next year.

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by Kev H on Dec 8, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Julius Peppers

How impressed are you with his impact?

by CoachSR on Dec 8, 2010 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

Julius Peppers

is a big scary man who does big scary things.

I literally cannot say enough about the impact that man has had on this football team. Without him, there’s no way this defense plays at the levels it does. Look no further than the first GB game, when they were so scared of him they decided that holding call after holding call were better than getting Rodgers sacked.

But it’s not just that…he’s had such an impact on the other guys on the defensive line, that you can credit him for a lot of their ability to develop. Idonije, Melton, and Toeaina have all stepped up big, and are getting better each week.

It’s no secret that the Bears defense is predicated on pressure from the front four. Now that Peppers has helped provide that, it gives Briggs and Urlacher the ability to roam underneath and get up on the run quickly, or drop back in coverage and take away lanes. It even makes what is a largely average to below average secondary look much, much better.

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by Kev H on Dec 8, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Julius Peppers

the numbers are not impressive… BUT he is

his impact on the players around him is something you cannot measure by numbers but just by how the perform as a team

he makes coordinators forget we have a former pro bowl dt and 2 pro bowl linebackers

everything the panthers fans/coaching staff has complained about i have found to be untrue he doesnt take plays off in the running game he finishes his tackles and he is motoring on every play

with the way he performed i wouldnt be upset if he had 0 sacks still… he draws major penalties, he blocks kicks something most people over look he brings pressure and a known pass rusher but he is also a monster on special teams something we hold in high regard

did i mention i love boobies?

by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Dec 10, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually I find that quite interesting

I did not know he was a monster on special teams. Special teams is something we over here hold in high regard as well.

by UtopianAverage on Dec 11, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The bears have 2 of the top 3 active kick blockers in the league right now...

The one they’re missing? Shaun Rogers.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Dec 11, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

you know what's crazy
everything the panthers fans/coaching staff has complained about i have found to be untrue he doesnt take plays off in the running game he finishes his tackles and he is motoring on every play

i can’t remember ever seeing a DL consistently chase down plays from behind like #90 does. at least on the bears anyway. he is worth every single cent halas hall pays him.

by reefermadness3 on Dec 12, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

SJS and I

posted one of these at the exact same time. His got comments first, so I deleted mine.

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by Kev H on Dec 8, 2010 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

Hey guys...

…Rec this to keep this to the top! Thanks.

by Richard Hill on Dec 8, 2010 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

We've handled Robert Mathis, Dwight Freeney, James Harrison and Terrell Suggs fairly well this year

The Pats also did decent against Cameron Wake. Is there an X-factor that you think will give Julius Peppers an edge in this game that sets him apart from the other blitzers we’ve faced and generally shut down?

Also, our interior offensive line struggles at times.. who’s the best matchup you feel you have on the D-Line against our O-Line?

by satsunada on Dec 8, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

Peppers

plays both sides equally well. There’s not a ton of flipflopping, but they’ll throw him places if they think they can get the advantage. The other thing to note is that Israel Idonije, who plays on the opposite side, has really stepped into his game lately. He’s got seven sacks on the year, and really benefits from the extra attention that Peppers usually receives.

With regards to the interior line, I’m hoping that will be where our big surpise that catches you off guard is. I mentioned elsewhere that Toeaina and Melton are playing a lot better, as they’ve improved fairly quickly throughout the season. If Peppers and Idonije can keep the outsides contained, I think they can disrupt Brady a little bit and hopefully get him out of that comfort zone that scares me so much. (Your pocket creation and his pocket protection scare me!)

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by Kev H on Dec 8, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

on our line, our LG and RG are pretty good in pass protection

but our center is just decent. Guys like Ngata have destroyed him, but he has been better as of late.

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by Cameron O on Dec 8, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He's been better since that game.. and Mankins coming back.

Let’s face it, Ngata has destroyed everyone.

The Pats did a pretty good job against Casey Hampton.. but really, we have absolutely shut down edge rushers. It’s been weird seeing that.

by satsunada on Dec 9, 2010 4:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Stunts.

If that really is the case, you’ll probably see a boatload of them.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Dec 9, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

As long as Peppers is inside against Connolly/Koppen.. it should work.

I’m just saying, we’ve shut down a pretty good crop of edge rushers thus far this year.

by satsunada on Dec 9, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Super-gigantic TEs tend to do that

It’s funny that Hernandez can barely get a look-in at traditional TE this year, because he’s pretty much the same size and same kind of TE as Ben Watson. Watson was always lined up at traditional Y TE, but now you have to wonder if he shouldn’t have been.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 9, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Are there any key players on the Bears offense that should be watched out for?

I’m only familiar with Cutler, Forte and Taylor (and i’m a little worried about Forte) but is there someone outside that you think will have a good game?

Also, the Pats have so-so edge rushers but Wilfork apparently is getting more pressure lately, is there a weakness in the O-line you think the Patriots can exploit?

by satsunada on Dec 8, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Key Players

Offensively, you should probably get to know Greg Olsen, who’s our big target/TE, and Earl Bennett and Johnny Knox. Bennett had his first 100-yard game against Detroit last week, so he’s been coming on strong lately. Not the fastest, not the tallest, but catches anything thrown in his general direction; much developed from sitting out his rookie year. Knox is a burner who’s a little raw on routes but makes plenty of plays.

O-Line… Yes. That is all.

Seriously, the line is not great at all in pass protection. J’Marcus Webb, our 7th round rook, is our RT starter. He’s a good run-blocker but is an absolute traffic cone in pass protection. Chris Williams is learning the LG position, and is improving, but gets driven back on occasion. And Olin Kreutz and Roberto Garza, both very good players earlier in their careers, are on the old side and playing like it.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 8, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting

We’ve been putting a CB at DE (Kyle Arrington) in a few instances lately, would a speed rush be best against the tackles?

by satsunada on Dec 9, 2010 4:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Webb has this problem where he can’t shift his large posterier to get in the way of a speed rusher. And Omiyale, well, if Frank Omiyale (who we affectionately, or not, call Gate 68) is your starting LT, you’ve got serious problems. Also, CB blitzes tend to work as well.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 9, 2010 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Arrington was a core special teamer last year

and plays a lot of gunner and vice-man and on kick/punt block units, so he’s quite used to playing in amongst the big guys for a guy who’s listed as a CB. He’ll definitely get washed out in blocks occasionally, especially on runs – he’s only 190lbs – but he’s got CB speed and isn’t scared of running through traffic.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 9, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Earl Bennett

has really stepped up as Jay’s favorite receiver over the past few weeks. Additionally, Olsen is always a threat because he’s hard to cover, unless you put the right protection on him. He’s a tight end that’s more like a WR, and when he gets into it, the Bears tend to win.

Also, Devin Hester is still a threat. He’s on returns again, so his offensive snaps are lower, but he’s still just as dangerous when he gets the ball with a little bit of space, or he just flat runs past a guy.

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by Kev H on Dec 8, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Cutler was throwing to Bennett in college, so they must have established some of the old rapport.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 8, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

You can tell they get excited to play together.

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by Kev H on Dec 8, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yessir

They completed over 70 passes together in college

13. It's a magic number

by suckmyditka on Dec 9, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

My main question is what is your defensive philosophy.

I know you guys run a 4-3 cover 2, but what seem to be the weaknesses and strengths? What offenses have worked against you, who have you shut down? What is your biggest complaint about the team in terms of strategy (we go into prevent defense at the start of the fourth if we have a 10 point lead, and they always give up touchdowns)?

Thanks

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"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was important -- like a league game."

by Cameron O on Dec 8, 2010 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

Cover 2

The strength has consistently been the LB corps. Urlacher has the speed to cover the short pass, then run back with the deep zone. Briggs has been a beast since he’s been here, and Pisa Tinoisamoa is a very good third linebacker. The D-Line is important to the scheme; without the pressure the line puts on the QB, our secondary can be surgically incinerated.

Our biggest complaint would be yours as well; when we have a lead in the fourth, it always seems to be used as a cushion when we go into a prevent.

Usually teams move up and down the field on us by short dink-dunk passes like slants. Our defense is usually hard to run on and doesn’t give up the big play.

Personnel-wise, if Brady maintains his composure against line pressure, our secondary is not a great unit. Danieal Manning has come into his own at safety, and Chris Harris is good at hitting but lacks a bit in coverage. Our CBs as a whole aren’t great, but Tim Jennings and DJ Moore have their moments, and Charles Tillman is Charles Tillman.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 8, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

blockquote>Usually teams move up and down the field on us by short dink-dunk passes like slants. Our defense is usually hard to run on and doesn’t give up the big play.

that is our offense, death by paper cuts. With the jets, we prefer to use hacksaws though.

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by Cameron O on Dec 8, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

blockquote fail

i have no idea why.

blockquote fail

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by Cameron O on Dec 8, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

That game was awesome, I hate the Jets, and pretty much any sports team from NY

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by touchdown bears on Dec 8, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

There were some things that could’ve been better (a few 3 and outs in the first quarter), but it’s pretty hard to complain about a 45-3 rout. NE was like a 5.0 litre Mustang on the Salt Flats with the pedal to the floor…for 60 minutes. I don’t think the fact that Rex Ryan is a loud mouthed #$#$% had anything to do with it. Not at all… ;-)

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by MaPatsFan on Dec 8, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

wow...never ever have i seen MaPatsFan dislike someone

lol

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by NinjaZX6R on Dec 8, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Forte becoming a more critical component of the offense as the weather worsens in Chicago?

And what on earth happened to the Bears after the Giants/Panthers games?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 8, 2010 5:34 PM EST reply actions  

What happened was Martz realized two things.

One, our offense is uglier than a 2 AM “last call” last ditch hookup without Jay Cutler at quarterback and that it might be a really really good idea to keep Jay in one piece.

Two, the team just doesn’t have the parts to run the offense as he wants. Oftentimes, Jay got sacked four steps into a seven step drop.

Early in the season, there was a huge imbalance in the plays called (We’re talking Andy Reid levels here, if not more). So when we faced a team with an actual good set of defensive lineman (especially when they’re fast), it just overwhelmed the line which was, I think, on its fourth or fifth combination of parts, because the line could just tee off on Jay.

That’s why you’re seeing a forced balance of the offense. By running more, even if we don’t run it well, by forcing the other team to play the run it holds the pass rush at bay, giving Jay more time to either make a play with his feet or with his arm. I don’t think it’s necessarily anything to do with the weather; it’s about keeping the quarterback alive. What does help is that for a few games we’ve been able to keep the same line going and they’re gelling better, at least as far as run blocking goes. Pass blocking, well, I stand by my traffic cone statement.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 8, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Traffic cone statement?

lol, sounds like Penn State’s offensive line.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 8, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

na...it sounds like Ohio State's Left Tackle and Right Tackle

Quick Colts….you want the best two tackles…take both of them plzzzzzzzzzz

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by NinjaZX6R on Dec 8, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a big WR guy, and Devin Aromashodu (name rules BTW) has caught my eye

Is there any explanation as to why he can’t seem to put things together? He’s a real physical guy, so there must be something mentally going on there.

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by AtomicDawg on Dec 8, 2010 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

One of the big questions about Aroma has always been his work ethic.

His hands as well, to a lesser extent. He’s got size and he’s got speed, but unfortunately, that’s about it. He got into Martz’s doghouse early for an inability to pick up the offense quickly.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 8, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for coming on here.

To answer our questions and such.

And yeah, I’d be scared of the Pats offense too.

But I can’t deny it, I’m scared of Urlacher and Peppers.

So how has the Bears defense been overall this year ? And how is your pass defense ? Your CBs, and LBers and Safeties ?

by UtopianAverage on Dec 8, 2010 7:49 PM EST reply actions  

At times, dominating.

Rarely, well, you get the 2-play, 90+ yard “drive” the Lions put together. But mostly dominating-to-very-good. It’s a squad that held Philly to 13 points through 3 quarters and held Buffalo to 16 points, plus shut out Miami and destroyed Carolina like they should.

If you’re looking for the best way to attack the Bears’ defense, don’t stop doing what you’re doing. As I said, Danieal Manning and Chris Harris are doing fine back at safety and Major Wright is being sprinkled in here and there, but our corners are the best way to attack us. Tillman’s a serviceable guy, though his biggest asset is stripping the ball away, and not necessarily coverage. Tim Jennings, Zack Bowman and DJ Moore, the nickel back, are playing passably well, though I have my doubts with the WR corps of the Pats.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 8, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

LBs, of course, aren't too shabby, but hurting.

Urlacher’s back healthy this year, and Briggs is his usual self (slight ankle injury). No Pisa Tinoisamoa for another couple weeks though, and Nick Roach is iffy (and needless to say, Hunter Hillenmeyer is on IR from his concussion issues and may retire), so expect to see some Rod Wilson/Brian Iwuh if we maintain a 4-3 for any length of time. Wilson and Iwuh are both good/decent special teamers, though I’d prefer if I never saw them step foot on the field during an actual defensive series. Iwuh’s not horrible per se, he’s got a sack and a forced fumble this year, but I still would rather see him ride pine.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 8, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Scratch the Briggs' ankle thing.

Apparently when looking up Iwuh’s info, if the link on the right says “Bears express concern over Briggs’ ankle injury”, it’s probably from October, lol. Was about to say, I didn’t think he was hurting any.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 8, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

About how many passes is cutler likely to throw a game

that are true opportunities for interceptions. His total is down this year (i’m sure we can fix that) and over the last five weeks he seems to be playing well.

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by Cameron O on Dec 8, 2010 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

Depends how many are tipped.

I think what we’re seeing more with Jay is a less risky passing game. He has more time because he’s taking a shorter drop and when he’s pressured, instead of blindly chucking, he’s making the play with his feet, either running for the first or buying time to make a checkdown. The yardage might not be pretty, but he’s being more effective.

There might be one or two, but every quarterback has a bad throw or two.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 8, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

And just as importantly

How well the defence limits the mistakes the offence makes.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Dec 8, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Young players

Who are you’re young guys that are making an impact ? Like guys drafted this year, or in the past 2-3 years ?

by UtopianAverage on Dec 8, 2010 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

Young stars... impact...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA— (cough)

Well, we’ve had this thing recently where the coaches pick one guy to redshirt every year, so we usually don’t get much rookie or young player impact. Last year’s redshirt WR, Juaquin Iglesias, was cut this year. That being said, this year is an exception.

Knox and Bennett are in their second and third years, and both are looking very solid. Henry Melton is getting some good pressure on the line, and of course you know about Traffic Cone Webb. Major Wright is still getting mixed into game action, but when he’s in he’s looked solid. Danieal Manning has recovered nicely from his case of DMS (being shuttled around positions meaninglessly preventing development) and while he might not fit your criteria, he’s playing a nice safety right now. DJ Moore is playing decent nickelback. Zack Bowman came on strong last year and took the starting CB job, but lost it to Tim Jennings during the GB game. Chris Williams looks like at this point he’s a tackle washout (jury still out), but he might make himself a living at guard.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 8, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not an exception bro

Corey Wootten has been redshirted basically

13. It's a magic number

by suckmyditka on Dec 9, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

This year is an exception

referred to getting much contribution out of younger players. We still do have our token redshirt, just seems like compared to the last couple of years, we’ve been getting more production out of younger players like Knox and Bennett coming along better. Admit it, you were surprised when the Bears pinned their RB hopes on a rookie second rounder in Matt Forte.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 9, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt Forte was my fantasy back his rookie year

Same with MJD his rookie year. I have a thing for picking good fantasy rookie RBs.

by UtopianAverage on Dec 10, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

don't sell dj moore short

he has been paying attention during tip drills in practice and it shows. for a little guy he is dong pretty well for himself.

by reefermadness3 on Dec 12, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't aware

DJ Moore is playing decent nickelback

is selling the guy short. Just don’t think I’d prefer to see him at either starting corner spot just yet.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 12, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

where do the defense rank in turnovers?

Just got done watching the 22 min replay of the 2006 Bears Pats game…both teams had a combined 9 turnovers in that game..yeezh!

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by NinjaZX6R on Dec 8, 2010 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

The Bears have 16 INTs and 17 fumbles forced (10 recovered)

with an overall differential of +3, for 11th in the league. Overall, the Bears are fourth in turnovers gained; 5th in interceptions, 7th in fumbles forced, 8th in fumbles recovered..

Last week’s game against Detroit was only the second game this year with no takeaways, but we’ve only had two in the last three games.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 8, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Well.. good luck

We haven’t turned the ball over in 6 out of 7 games recently and I think our TO ratio is +14. We’ve only had 9 TO all year and 6 of those were in two games (cleveland and the 1st jets game).

Law Firm (Green-Ellis) hasn’t fumbled in his 3 yr. NFL career, Brady’s only thrown 4 Int’s all year and hasn’t thrown one in over 228 attempts… since the Raven’s game junk Int.

If the offense is hitting on all cylinders, they’re quite dangerous.

by satsunada on Dec 9, 2010 4:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's the thing.

You guys take such good care of the ball (any chance you can get Maroney back for this one? Please? I’ll even send mints!) and we haven’t been taking it lately that I don’t really see it happening much this game. Unless of course you’re due to give and we’re due to take some and it turns into one of those six-takeaway games or something. (/unlikely)

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 9, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Weather could have a say in this.

Something like -40 degree wind chill?
That’s gotta be 50 MPH wind. Could see neither team passing much and just preferring to run the ball.
Score might end up 12-6 – someone scores 2 TDs to 1, and neither team makes a kick.

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by insertscreenname on Dec 9, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Every time I hear "weather could have a say in this"

A) I truly wish I had a nickel.

B) I keep being reminded of images of the Patriots winning snowy playoff games.

I think if the weather sucks and it’s a foot deep in snow and windy like that, I really have no idea. I don’t think we’re built quite well enough to run the ball that well in the snow, and while we have a very good rushing defense, we lose the little quick guys pretty easily (Jahvid Best, anyone? And did Peanut just fall again?).

I will say this about the weather though. If Bear Weather is sub-20, snow on the ground, etc., Patriots weather is Bear Weather on steroids.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 9, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Someone said -40 degrees, don't know who.

Then the better team doesn’t necessarily win it. The outcome depends on just a couple of plays: maybe a punt rolls 80 yards, maybe it goes for 10. Maybe Forte fumbles at his 10, maybe Brady is strip-sacked at his 5.

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by insertscreenname on Dec 9, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agreed.

But if we could base analysis on fluky/odd plays like that, Vegas would be out of business.

I’m just saying I’m not confident about our ability to run, especially if we’re required to.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 9, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

His name isn't Maroney anymore...its DDR-Dance Dance Revolution!

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I came up with it.

Hense the sig. ;-)

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by AtomicDawg on Dec 9, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Just as a note:

Look for the Bears to play a ton of nickel, with Pisa Tinoisamoa out with a knee injury and the Pats propensity to play three wide, the Bears will definitely try to fire with fire and use D.J. Moore in the Nickel Slot and as a cover in the base Cover 2

The cornerbacks, as have been said range from good to mediocre and play a lot of different coverage schemes. The way the Bears’ Tampa 2 is played is really unlike much in the AFC at all. The Colts play similar styles, but with very different personnel (smaller, even faster), even more aggressive vs the pass than the Bears are… but the Bears have something the Colts do not.

Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs. Obviously they are the cog to the defense and it fast enough to create a lot of tackles from sideline to sideline and create smaller creases for the receivers. This gives the Bears a bit better balance and allows their LB’s to actively pursue RB’s faster. Their speed to the hole is fast, solid tackling (except that one Juke by Brady in 06), and smart.

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by awfullyquiet on Dec 8, 2010 10:27 PM EST reply actions  

Actually you would be surprised

the pats have been playing a ton of two/three TE sets. Yes they still spread it out but our personnel changes within a drive and even from play to play have been significant. So you guys may not be playing as much nickel as you expect.

by Oughat on Dec 8, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually it wasn't based on the offences package actually...

But we’re playing nickel because we are thin at LB at the moment.

With Nick Roach, the default 4th LB (after Briggs, Urlacher, and Pisa Tinoisamoa), also out with a hip pointer thus far and looking questionable for the weekend, it’s more that we don’t have the depth in LB to sustain playing 4-3 over Nickel. Brian Iwuh is the 5th LB, it’s more telling that the Bears last week vs the Lions kept in Nickel vs pretty much all formations pass and run.

It’s less a what you do, but more what suits the personnel. But, I wouldn’t doubt for a second that if you start dropping 3TE sets there’ll be some mismatches against our rather short corners…

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by awfullyquiet on Dec 9, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

The Pats kept being offered a CB-on-Gronkowski matchup against the Steelers...

It happened 5 times. Gronkowski had 5 receptions for 72 yards and 3 TDs.

They use a lot of pre-snap movement to create matchup issues, so it’s likely that at one point the Bears will be trying to cover Hernandez or Gronkowski with a CB, or trying to cover Welker or Branch with a linebacker. Either way, that’s what Brady is looking for when he scans the field pre-snap.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 9, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, when I read that

I saw Danny DeVito, and the thought of Danny DeVito playing linebacker made me spit coffee all over my monitor.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 9, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

DeVito was playing nose tackle at the time.

another Sn-augh?

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by insertscreenname on Dec 9, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Not up to date on the Jets roster.

DeVito is a nose tackle? Okay, that image is even funnier.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 9, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

He's their 3-4 LDE but he rushed as a nose tackle...didn't go anywhere...

so he dropped back in zone in the middle…and attempted to follow Woody

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by NinjaZX6R on Dec 9, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Gave up after a couple of steps

When he saw who came out of the backfield.

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by insertscreenname on Dec 9, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

just to clarify on the whole devito woody thing

david harris was actually in coverage, but then welker roughed him up at the line, and the greatest corner ever revis didnt switch, and devito was actually smart enough to realize it and try to stop it.

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by Cameron O on Dec 9, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually it was a zone blitz

DeVito went into coverage from the get go and his assignment was Woodhead. The 315 lb. guy had no chance at all.

by satsunada on Dec 9, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

mike mayock/playbook crew disagree, and me too.

You can see why all the jets are down field, because they are in man. much of the same reason that revis followed welker. Harris was on woody, went up and welker smacked him, while he tried to follow. Devito might have already started dropping back though, i’m not sure.

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by Cameron O on Dec 9, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Jim Leonhard probably knew what coverage it was meant to be...

but he was on IR, and the rest of the Jets brains trust (hah!) was lost. You know it’s a sad thing when only the Defensive Tackle named DeVito spots the fact that nobody is covering a RB with 4.33 40 speed.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 9, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

he did drop back cause he got no pressure...

The LB from the Chargers did that when Manning threw a pick 6 to him

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by NinjaZX6R on Dec 9, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

BS, there's no way that's what happened

Here, watch the replay from behind the O-Line. The linebackers blitzed and had no intention of covering that play (evidenced by the fact that Welker hit Harris and Harris kept going after the QB like he was doing), DeVito was disguising a rush but backed off the line immediately to go into coverage as was designed. He was already 6-8 yards off the line when the pass was thrown and was spying the RB the whole way. Brady held the stared down the safety to hold him in place before the dump off to Woodhead. If Mayock and the playbook crew can’t see a basic zone blitz with a DE pulling into coverage, then they are trying to make it look like it wasn’t a terrible playcall and set of consequences.

Oh.. and he didn’t even try to get pressure. His head was up the whole way and he backed off the line immediately. All he was doing was trying to tie up an O-lineman so a LB could get through a little easier.

by satsunada on Dec 9, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Commentators talking crap?

Never

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 9, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm watching the replay on my dvr

and If they are zone blitzing, why are the renaming safeties, CB’s and 1 lb all in Man cov?
look @ the re snap…Revis is on the slot (wes)…wes motions to the fb spot and revis follows him all the way.

By that definition…that ain’t zone blitz

but i could be wrong….wish Jabba would explain what he ran on that play

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by NinjaZX6R on Dec 10, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

You can mix it up

Steelers do that, too. Play man with the secondary, but vary the front-7 into blitz/zone. Where you’d normally expect 4 LBs to drop into coverage and 3 D-line to rush, they might have 5 guys from one side blitz and 2 guys drop, or somesuch. Still man-coverage on the outside, but still a zone-blitz because a D-lineman drops, and it’s a 5 man rush on an overload.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 10, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey Bears fan

What are your thoughts on Jay Cutler?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Dec 9, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

Gee, isn't this the million dollar question.

As a whole, we aren’t sure ourselves.

At least as far as I’m concerned, because of the circumstances surrounding him (bad O-Line, three schemes in three years, that kinda thing), we really can’t know for sure what we have in Jay until things settle down. I mean sure, we can see he’s being more careful with the ball, he’s using his mobility to stay alive in the pocket and scramble, but we didn’t trade for him to be a glorified Trent Dilfer (there’s nothing wrong with that at all, don’t get me wrong; whatever wins the game at the end). We got him to be a franchise guy, someone who can fuel an offense, a big play threat; the guy that can make the offense go and win games. But it’s hard for him to do this from his back and while he’s learning one of the more complicated, if not most complicated, offensive scheme in football.

He’s as physically gifted as any QB in the game, but then you look at his INT totals, some of the stinkers he puts up, and it scares you. But there’s bad like Rex Grossman and bad like Hall of Famer Dan Fouts, who only became a HOFer after he got stabilized in a system.

So I know it sounds like excuse-making and cop-outs, but at least from my end, judgment is reserved for now.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 9, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The other part of that question: what do you guys make of Kyle Orton?

He’s having a Pro Bowl year, even with all the McDaniels issues in Denver. He’s making all the throws and managing the game well – in other words, he’s looking like a ‘franchise guy’ himself. Just didn’t fit in Chicago, wrong type of QB?

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 9, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Combination of things...

One: His first year here colored him badly in the minds of many. Recall his only duty was really receive hike, turn around, hand ball to Thomas Jones. Unfortunately, that’s a stigma that stuck with him in my opinion and really shouldn’t have. The guy set passing records at Purdue over Breesus and all of a sudden he can’t throw the ball? Add in that Ron Turner is not meant to be an NFL offensive coordinator and it’s a recipe for disaster if you’re a QB. When Orton became the starter in the ‘08 season, it wasn’t about “Can Orton really do this as a passer?”, it was about “Thank DITKA we don’t have to see Rex start any more.”

Two: We’ve been so badly starved here for a QB that when a quarterback who’s only been in the league three years and has already been in a Pro Bowl becomes available, Jerry Angelo made the move. It’s a good move for Orton too; I’d say the change of scheme and scenery did him well.

He was always “the other guy,” ya know? But what gets lost is that, when given the chance, he’s actually shown to be a good QB, and I think he can be a consistent starter in the NFL. Whether that’s with Denver or if they go with Tebow remains to be seen.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 9, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

My take on Orton

I’m happy for him, I liked him when he was here. I think his problems in Chicago were a couple of things, one being the fact they paid Grossman 1st round $$$, so the front office wanted him to succeed, and the other main issue, as we saw with Jay last year, and with Grossman, was Ron Turner as the OC, he’s not very creative, and couldn’t or wouldn’t make any adjustments in games to give the team a chance at success, yeah we went to the SB with Turner, but that was cause we had a damn good defense and great special teams. We ll this year, we have a damn good defense, great special teams, and an OC who can make adjustments to give the team a better chance at success. Now if we could get some improvement for the OL.

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by touchdown bears on Dec 9, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sorry but people calling Jay Cutler physically gifted?
Have you SEEN a photo of the guy with his helmet off?
He has more chins than the Hong Kong phone book!

by quadruple option on Dec 10, 2010 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

Physically gifted doesn't mean attractive, my friend.

He’s got a strong, powerful arm that can make all the throws, he’s got mobility to escape some of the pressure that gets through and can make enough plays, he’s tall enough to see over the line (if you ever saw Rex Grossman play, well, that’s why this is a big deal), and he went to Vandy, so one can assume he has the intelligence to pick up a playbook, even the full Martzfence, and make smart decisions when given an opportunity. Just because he has extreme “punch-me!” face doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the tools to be a franchise NFL quarterback.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 10, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

He's got a slightly weaker arm than Brett Favre

And he has decent speed. He’s gifted.. now his awareness and football intelligence are what are a bit iffy at times.

by satsunada on Dec 10, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

nice way to demean someone

make fun of the way they look.

he’s pretty quick, has good upper body strength. and he’s really not as ‘chinny’ as you say. i mean no more than matt stafford. seriously. he’s intelligent, and i think with some time and growth with his receivers, he’ll improve his decision making and confidence in his receivers… because really, from my perspective, that’s most of the problems with his decision making is expecting one thing, but getting another… a few times he’s been burnt when he tried forcing it, but the majority of mistakes with him as a bear was an absolute breakdown in communication between him and his receivers this year. that and deangelo hall fiasco (which I personally admire him for, even though many others would be like, god! he’s a fool!)

and SJS isn’t telling the whole truth. He’s pretty darn attractive.

Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...

by awfullyquiet on Dec 11, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny, I always thought Cutler had absolutely no chin.

Like his jaw wasn’t even there.

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by insertscreenname on Dec 11, 2010 4:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I always wondered how his helmet stayed on.

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by Comedic.Sans on Dec 12, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

don't lie you think he's dreamy

but seriously, i would put cutler up against any qb in the league in terms of toughness. as much abuse as he has taken behind the bears o line, it is a wonder he only missed 6 quarters of football. not to mention he has beaten more than a couple would-be tacklers (ok usually db’s but still) in the open field. he could be the spitting image of jabba the hutt but i will still come out of my seat the next time he drops a defender with his shoulder while running.

by reefermadness3 on Dec 12, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Elway-style?

Oh wait…

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by insertscreenname on Dec 12, 2010 7:54 AM EST up reply actions  

hope for no injuries...and good luck to both teams!

but go Patriots!

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by NinjaZX6R on Dec 12, 2010 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

Well um... Wow.

That was… Not quite what I wanted (and by not quite I mean the exact opposite), but I can’t say that I was expecting something like that either.

Well played by your guys, and, well, not so much by ours. I can’t say “see you guys later this year” cause the only way that happens is in the Super Bowl, but… I hope to see you guys later this year. After all, Green Bay lost, so we still lead the NFC North by a game. Do us a favor and take them off our backsides next week? Thanks! :)

In seriousness though… You guys have been very hospitable to us from WCG; thanks for a fun week, even if the game wasn’t so much for our side. Cheers… and I hope we get this turned around and see you guys later in the year.

by Steven Schweickert on Dec 12, 2010 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

For everyone, thanks and good luck.

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by insertscreenname on Dec 12, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Your fanbase has been awesome and informative

I do hope we meet again in Dallas but we’ll see.. lot of tough games left for both teams. Hopefully the Pats put up a good game against the Packers though with Rodgers possibly out, it’s looking pretty rough for the Pack.

by satsunada on Dec 12, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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