Someone to catch the ball would be good: Patriots receiving corp ready?
I must admit there are many things that worry me about this team: the lack of a contract for Vince Wilfork, the age of the offensive line, Belichick's sometimes heavy reliance on "tried and true" veterans, and the apparent black hole in the locker room known as player leadership. Those are some of the things that make this fan pause. But the one thing that has me sleepless (well, not really. I mean, I'm not that much of an NFL nut. It's not like I'm up all night combing through fantasy stats while my mom screams down the stairs that my Dinty Moore Beef Stew is ready. Sheesh!) is our wide receiver corps.
Part of what made the 2007 Patriots great is evident in the current conference champion Colts and Saints: targets. Remember how many targets Tom Brady had? Sure, Wes Welker and Randy Moss were preferred, but there were other guys giving defenses fits: Donte Stallworth, Jabar Gaffney, and Kelley Washington. Out of the 3, not one of them is/was a #1 or even a #2 guy on a top tier team, but they all helped the 2007 Patriots do 2 things: a) spread the field and b) make defenses incredibly nervous. Double team Moss and Welker and you remove 4 guys from the defensive backfield. That leaves the 3rd and/or 4th wideout undercovered. Oh, did I mention Kevin Faulk. Depending on how many running backs or tight ends Hoodie decided to put on the field (maybe one for QB protection), you could have 3 or 4 wide receivers on the field. Yeah, scary if you're a defensive guy.
Contrast that with today and what do you have? Welker's most likely out until the last third of the season (if he makes it at all), Moss had back and shoulder problems (stuff it, Felger!!), Julian Edelman's a Welker clone, but he doesn't have "IT" yet, Isaiah Stanback isn't a good option at #3 or even #4, and Brandon Tate is an unknown commodity. There's a few other dudes (Sam Aiken, Matthew Slater, Shun White), but there either serving out their military obligations or are better suited for special teams.
Targets are what ails this offense. The dearth of legitimate targets will be the death of this team. But lest Hoodie forget, there are others with the capability to pull down a Tom Brady spiral. Getting away from the Josh McDaniels "We don't use tight ends to catch the ball" mentality is a good thing. Benjamin Watson showed his worth time and time again. Just because the guy isn't freakishly tall and skinny (Moss) or the size of a Hobbit (Welker) doesn't mean is not a legitimate target.
Edelman may be able to take on Welker's duties until he returns. There were flashes of Welker-ness in the young lad. That will leave us without a legit #3, IMO. I think we need a Donte Stallworth or Jabar Gaffney type guy to fill the void. We can't be training someone to take the spot, not with Welker out. And we need to use as many sets of hands as we can, well, get our hands on. TE's, RB's, you name it. Let's use 'em. Got that Bill?
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I lamented the lack of creativity, too
Fine. All your WRs were hurt at some point or another. So why not experiment a little? We know Maroney can run. He can also catch. So why not stick him out there in the slot and have him run a cross-field route? Give him a little room to shimmy, and toss him the ball. Something will happen… but no, they’d rather stick a beat-up Moss again.
Same with Watson. The guy’s phenomenally quick when he’s in a straight line, so why not break him outside, Dallas Clark-style? Not even once?
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They even sent Morris out to the sideline on a bunch of plays early in the season...
…with an average of 6-7 yards an attempt. Then we stopped. I think that Maroney would be phenomenal at that position because he’s MUCH better with space.
by Richard Hill on Feb 15, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
he fumbles the ball running, im scared to think of how many times he’ll fumble gitting hit from behind while catching the ball
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by remembering9ergods on Feb 17, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
ONLY IF....
he doesnt make a football move first.
lets face it, he’d be running alot of curls and slants and he’s going to get popped hard. if he catches it, takes a step and turns and then BAM, chances are the balls coming out.
maybe he can work on it before the season, we do have a good coahing staff but IMO, i think teh fumbling would be an issue
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by remembering9ergods on Feb 17, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn't fumble as much as you stress him to do.
He fumbled 1 in 08, 1 in 07, 3 in 06, and 1 in 05. That’s it.
Dallas Clark fumbled 1 in 09, 2 in 08, and 1 in 04.
And when I look at TEs like Jason Witten, and Antonio Gates, TEs fumbles at least 1-2 in one season. Most of the time they don’t, but Ben Watson does not have fumbleitis.
only you didnt say watson you said maroney
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by remembering9ergods on Feb 17, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
damn! I thought you guys were talking about watson!
Okay well I addressed Maroney and the fumbles before, and he does not fumble from getting hit from behind. He fumbled 1 in 06, and then in 09 he fumbled 4 times(which is basically the average among RBs). One fumble he was caught from behind, but he ran back, tackled, and recovered the fumble back. One was on the goal line that should’ve been a TD. Another one was that our defense stopped them after his fumble, so at least the opponent didn’t get any points off of it. And the last one, he did it(it was against the colts I think), pretty much cost us the game(only slightly.).
by patriotguy2 on Feb 17, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Why would he necessarily get hit from behind?
He’ll be running in amongst LBs. He’s a little faster than them, you know… that’s why he’s a pretty decent KR. If he’s trusted to run as a KR when everyone on the field is gunning to make him fumble, and he doesn’t, why should he be any more of a liability as a pass-catcher?
Most of his fumbles were in close, tight, trying to run into contact. He’s not a pile-mover, and he fumbled when trying to do it. He hasn’t fumbled in open-field that I can remember.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 17, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
ben watson did that
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He ran 120 yards to chase down Bailey on a 100 yard interception
Watson was in the opposite corner of the end zone when Bailey got the pick, yet Watson ran him down and forced a fumble at the Pats 1 yard line (although it looked for a second like it was through the end zone, which would have been a Pats touchback).
He’s very, very quick in a straight line. And he regularly comes up with big plays in those tight situations – it’s just that it didn’t pay off in that one instance, sadly.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 17, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
he also makes those great over-the-shoulder catches.
by patriotguy2 on Feb 17, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
with a twist
we always joke that he can’t catch anything thrown right at his numbers. If it’s over his head, off to the side and behind him, then he’ll catch those no problem.
Keep the faith!
It's always blown my mind that screens to maroney are never called
He is one of our best open field guys and we never throw to him. I think i saw one screen to maroney the entire 2009 season and it went for 11 yards… I think the Pats were scared of another pick 6 on an attempted screen like in the first buffalo game.
by bbismyhero on Feb 16, 2010 8:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm not sure how much of an true WR Stanback is...
But he’s very valuable as a guy who can play both WR and QB reasonably well – he saves a roster spot by being a very useful depth guy.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 16, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hoodie loves versatile guys, too
Anyone who can play more than one position (Troy Brown, Mike Vrabel) gets a pat on the back from Coach.
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I think it's even a little more than that, after looking at the draft data
He’s only taken skill position players (WRs, TEs and HBs in particular) who can do multiple things. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s insurance against their being busts – they can contribute at least one way or another.
In the WRs he’s taken Chad Jackson, Bethel Johnson, Deion Branch, Brandon Tate, Matthew Slater (if you count him as a WR), Edelman, etc. They all return punts, kicks, or both.
If you look at the RBs – Maroney, Patrick Pass – they’ve been kick returners and special teams contributors as well.
If you look at the TEs – Daniel Graham, Ben Watson, David Thomas, Garrett Mills… they’ve all been either good blocking and receiving TEs, or capable of playing at FB, or both.
He’s fine with taking single-purpose Free Agents, but his skill position draftees who stick around are inevitably multi-purpose guys – I doubt that’s coincidence.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 17, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
It probably isn't
Multifaceted players are always nice. I wonder how Antwaan Randle El would do on the Patriots…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 18, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
He might've had a shot before 2009...
but I read somewhere that he was stripped of even the basic PR duties due to a bunch of fumbles and a low single-digit PR average. Considering that was what he was best at, I’m not sure his head is in the game any more.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 18, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
from the little i watched him play
he has good-great Route Running skills, good- great hands, and has a knack for getting open. From what I saw from him, he can be a good WR.

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