Getting into Belichick's hood - 2010 New England Patriots QB predictions
As mentioned in my previous story, I'm tasked with seeing if I can predict Belichick's pre-season coaching decisions. Given there's sooooooooo many (believe me, it's only when you start writing up articles of this description that you realise how many franchise-tweaking decisions a GM/HC makes), I'll break down the personnel decisions by looking at each unit or set of units from the roster, and then guesstimating what Hoodie will do with them in turn.
For no better reason than they're at the top of the list I wrote up, I'll look at the current state of the Patriots' QBs, offer an analysis of the incumbents, and then prognosticate on what Hoodie will do to patch holes, upgrade, get youth or experience, all as necessary. Or as the case may be, not necessary.
As I explained in my previous one of the series, I've projected two roster slots for QB (albeit with two more being QB/WRs). Now I just have to fill them. More after the jump...
First up: QB. Pretty easy position, right? Just to summarise who the Pats have already got on the roster...
1 Tom Brady.
I'll assume you know Brady's the Pats QB. He's pretty good, so I'm fairly safe in the assumption he's starter (unless you're really, really, really wanting to make the case for Hoyer. Anyone? Mrs. Hoyer?
A note on Brady - he's coming to the end of his contract. Will the Pats start looking for life after Brady, as some have half-heartedly suggested? This proposition has a snowball's chance in hell. The guy is the heart-and-soul of the Pats dynasty; he's also been a trooper for the franchise and continually asked for a lesser salary than he could rightfully command in order to make the team stronger (Eli Manning, top-paid QB. 'Nuff said).
Brady isn't going anywhere. That comes straight from Hoodie's mouth - when asked about the Wilfork situation, he said that anybody on the team was potentially expendible as trade-bait, except for Tom Brady.
2 Brian Hoyer.
A 2009 rookie undrafted free agent, it seems the Pats were tossing up between Hoyer and Edelman for the draft choice they used on Edelman. When Hoyer dropped through the draft into undrafted free agency, the Pats were delighted to snag him as a free agent. In other words, he wasn't a complete bolt from the blue - the Pats had an eye on Hoyer as NFL material for months, and he featured on the draft boards right up until the last minute.
Everything I've seen suggests Hoyer has the inside running for being the second-string QB in 2010:
Firstly, there's simple pragmatism - if Hoodie was happy enough to have him as the primary (and only!) backup in his rookie season in 2009, I don't see why Belichick would change his mind in 2010.
Secondly, Hoyer beat out the incumbent back-up QB in 2009 - 3rd round draft choice Kevin O'Connell - so Belichick has more-or-less invested a draft pick in the kid by cutting his previously drafted competitor. You can only assume that the choice to cut a high round guy in favour of the undrafted rookie means that Hoyer showed a lot of promise in training camp. The choice is even more poignant if you take into consideration that O'Connell had a year in the system and a rapport with some of the WRs; he had a huge head-start on Hoyer. Hoyer beating out O'Connell, then, was quite a surprise - but the Pats have had amazing success stories with just those kinds of surprises at QB. Consider this: in 2001, Tom Brady beat out two very experienced QBs in training camp to be Bledsoe's primary backup, (and that worked out pretty well, right?). In 2008, the franchise went with Matt Cassel over Guterriez despite Guterriez having arguably better preseason performances. When Brady got hurt, Cassel took over and the rest is history. So when the Pats know a little about choosing one backup QB over another; Hoyer's the next in the string.
Thirdly, his performances thus far are pretty good. In his limited snaps for the Pats (around 60 in the season, and a few preseason games), Hoyer showed nothing that would suggest he's not a competent NFL backup. In fact, he actually looked pretty good and strung together a decent drive or two in a few games, something that even Brady could struggle to do at times. Successfully managing the offence and not having a brain explosion at NFL game speed is quite an achievement for a rookie; Curtis Painter couldn't do it for the Colts, and it's not like he had a bad offence to manage. The signs are pretty good.
Overall, then, If Hoyer was good enough to be the number 2 guy in 2009, he ought to be an even better number 2 in 2010. He's done nothing to knock the faith the organisation showed in him in 2009. Of course, there are no guarantees, so I'll continue...
(3 Isaiah Stanback)
Designated the emergency QB in a handful of games in 2009, Stanback alternated between the WR depth chart and the QB ranks. He's projected as a WR again, but he provides a valuable depth option at both positions without eating up a valuable roster slot. If for no other reason than it's useful to save a roster slot by having the 3rd QB also be able to fill in as the 5th or 6th receiver (or vice versa, depending on what you see him as), I'd imagine Stanback keeps a roster slot.
(4 Julian Edelman)
The emergency QB who isn't. He offers the same positional flexibility as Stanback, although he has an arm that Brady once joked was so bad that he didn't believe Edelman was actually a college QB. He said it as a jibe at the rookie, but a lot of truth is said in jest...
Do I imagine that Edelman will ever need to fill in at QB? No. But it's nice to know that if something catastrophic happens in a game to Brady, Hoyer and Stanback, at least someone on the roster has taken snaps behind center.
2010 Patriot needs
There's no glaring needs for the Pats at QB in 2010. I suppose you could argue that the Pats should/would/could have a vet QB in camp for the season, on the basis of just in case. But if the Pats didn't feel that was necessary for 2009, I'm not sure why they'd change philosophy in 2010, especially now Hoyer has had a year, 60 game-time snaps, and a lot of NFL-style practice under his belt. On the flipside, I wouldn't entirely rule out the Pats nabbing a vet QB, especially with the intent of having Hoyer battle it out in the preseason. So if they have a "need", perhaps it's competition for Hoyer to keep the guy sharp in the preseason.
Ways to fill the need
1 Free agency.
If the Pats are likely to pick up competition for Hoyer, there's a very good chance they'll take a journeyman vet QB free agent. In 2009 the Pats interviewed a few vet QBs, and a couple even made their way into the Pats training facilities for workouts, but none were signed. This is the modus operandi for the Pats (and other franchises, especially those with a Parcells-esque "churning the roster" bent) - bring in outsiders, have a look at the goods, and maybe come back to them if there's signs of an injury.
Given there's only two genuine QBs in camp, I would expect to see the Pats sign one or two for training camp bodies, and then cut them loose at the roster cutdown marks. I wouldn't expect any of the signees to stick around beyond those cutdowns, though.
Just to give a taste of who is in free agency (remember, only before the first roster cutbacks - there will always be a lot cut in week 3 of training camp):
Chad Pennington
Kyle Boller
Charlie Batch
David Carr
Daunte Culpepper
Rex Grossman
Chris Redman
A few of these guys will be looking for starting-gigs. A few of them might be lured by the chance of a Ring. Do any of them really scream "pick me, pick me", though? (Writer's note: I admit to a nostalgic feeling that Chad Pennington deserves a Ring; I like his attitude - happily helping and coaching rookies who are being groomed to take his job is classy, and he's done it in several places).
2 Draft
The Pats have a penchant for picking up QBs in the draft under Belichick, whether they need them or not. Partly it seems to be experimentation, partly a need for competition, and partly a use of conditional draft picks under a "what if he actually works out" scheme. They've taken 5 QBs in the draft under Belichick's reign - a third rounder in O'Connell, a fourth rounder in Rohan Davey, and then a scattering of 6th and 7th rounders to complete the set. They've also been fairly consistent in taking them - one each in the 2000, 2002, 2003, 2006 and 2008 drafts. If you include Hoyer (who was *this* close to being drafted), one in 2009, too. There's no guarantee they'll make the team - O'Connell, Davey, and Kingsbury could all be considered busts - but there's always the chance the Pats will take a project/depth/speculation QB with a low-rounder.
As a side-note to this: I don't think the "draft Tebow" thing is likely. And IF the Pats take him, I even more sincerely doubt it'll be as a QB. If you really want to make a case for Tebow, I'll be happy to read it below and entertain some discussion. Before this is inundated with Tebow-talk, though, I'll give a few thoughts on him...
First theory: Tebow as a Brady backup? No; I don't think Tebow has the requisite NFL arm-strength or accuracy to be a Pats QB. The Pats already have two ex-QBs of questionable arm-strength and accuracy - Edelman and Stanback. Neither of them were considered quite good enough QBs due to their deficiencies - Edelman as a strict QB, and Stanback as a WR who occasionally provided depth at emergency QB. I find it very unlikely that Belichick would backtrack on his use of Edelman and Stanback and choose to use a high-round draft pick on a guy who suffers the same problems as the QBs who are rated high enough to be pure QBs now.
Second theory: So the Pats will take Tebow for the Wildcat? No. Edelman and Stanback are both very good runners (Edelman particularly so), yet the Pats showed no interest in the Wildcat thus far. The Pats didn't want a Wildcat after it was one year old (and after defensive coordinators had one year to devise schemes against it); it's even more unlikely they'd want one that's two years old (ditto on DC schemes).
Also, the Pats have seen, first hand, a high-round draft choice Wildcat-specific QB flop. That would be Pat White, 'Phins Wildcat QB. White hardly set the NFL alight, and he failed to do it in the very system that pioneered the 'Cat in the NFL. His failure to take over the Wildcat would be a reason to avoid Tebow.
3 Trade
I find a trade rather unlikely. The Pats seem pretty happy with Hoyer at #2, so any additions would likely slot into the #3 role - and there are always #3-quality QBs in free agency. If they didn't trade for a guy to slot above Hoyer in his rookie year, why would they do it in his second season?
There you go, people. That's what I think Hoodie will do with the QB position for 2010 - very little. Unless you're really convinced that he'll take Tebow, perhaps.
However, I do promise a change-up in the next of the series: HBs.
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i'm fine with the 2 qb
3rd string qb is a waste of roster space. you’re screwed anyway if your 2 qb’s go down to injuries before the 4th qtr.
i was surprised no one drafted Hoyer. He was hell of lot better than Painter in his college career; playing with a bad O line and no WR’s.
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Can't you carry a 3rd "emergency" QB that doesn't take up a roster spot?
Or maybe they just don’t count as one of the 45 game-day players, but still as one of the 53-man regulars.
In college, Brady was never known as a
quarterback that can raise the level of mediocre players. There’s a reason for that. He can’t. He’s a great player and hard worker. But this whole ‘he took less money for the benefit of the team’ is convenient PR.
Huh?
It’s real early in the morning so I’m going to let one of my fellow pulpiteers show you the errors of your ways rather than doing it myself…
by bbismyhero on Feb 19, 2010 8:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I still remember seeing Brady come in for Bledsoe in 2001
I thought he was the scrawniest non-kicker football player I had ever seen. How much is Tom’s base salary this year? 3.5 Million?
Because...
…Troy Brown, David Patten, David Givens and Reche Caldwell were all bonafide #1 receivers and Brady did not make them play better than their actual skill levels.
by Richard Hill on Feb 19, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
That is out and out wrong.
That was the huge attraction to Brady that attracted Dick Rehbein who was scouting him. It certainly wasn’t his stellar physique, as he was skinny and slow. It wasn’t pure stats (which were good but not exceptional), as he started at Michigan 7th on the QB depth chart and still had to share time his senior year with Drew Henson. He was smart, as was proven with the Wonderlik, and he had the ability to play well under pressure. His last college game was an OT victory against Alabama with 369 passing yards and four TDs.
Here is what Rehbein, who found something in the way Brady carried himself – “his aura and leadership” – that appealed to him, had to say about Tom Brady:
Forget the skinny body. Forget the subpar foot speed. Get him. His teammates liked and respected Brady and wanted to succeed for him. As a result, when Brady commanded a huddle, the players listened and followed him.
Even with other scouting reports, only his size and his speed were questioned, never his intelligence or his leadership qualities.
Where did you ever get the idea that “Brady was never known as a QB that could raise the level of mediocre players???”
Keep the faith!
and Brady taking less money for the benefit of the team
was not “convenient PR” but the truth.
Keep the faith!
Well, it WAS convenient PR, too.
but it was also more than that. The truth is often VERY convenient PR.
An aside on QBs...
I had a thought about the reserve/3rd QB on gameday. If a team designates a 3rd QB on gameday he becomes an “extra player” or 46th roster member for that gameday. The only rule is (that I am aware of), if that player plays before the end of the 3rd quarter, the first and second QBs cannot come back into the game until the 4th. We obviously don’t want that.
I wonder if BB ever considered designating Stanback as the Emergency 3rd QB – and sitting him until the beginning of the 4th. At that point, bring him in and use as a WR with fresher legs than others (like Aiken who played Special teams and offense) who have already played 3 quarters and may be tired.
Is there a rule I am unaware of that the 3rd QB can only play QB regardless of when they enter the game? Otherwise, I would try this Stanback approach as a 4th quarter secret weapon of sort. Though admittedly, Stanback is a huge threat it would also hedge against unexpected injuries.
I agree with all of you guys...
Stanback isn’t really a guy to fear.
I was thinking that sometimes BB goes short on a certain positional grouping during a game based on his game plan.
I will make up a poor example. Say for instance, the Pats are playing a high powered passing offense. Normally the Pats have 8 DBs active on any given day (again bear with the numbers because I am light on research and heavy on theory today – have a heart). Against this passing offense BB decides to make active 9 DBs – and thus has to make inactive one player from another position (logically LB in this scenario).
So with 5 LBs instead of 6 on gameday (again guessing). Would it be logical (and legal?) to make the 3rd QB a LB. Guarding against injury.
I guess what I am trying to say is I wonder if it is possible to use the 3rd QB as a guy that has no intention of playing QB – but to back yourself up at a position that is light on any given sunday, at least for the 4th quarter.
On another note – who cares?!?
Bill Polian
If the Pats bent a rule, there will be hell to pay! Etc.
Stanback’s good enough at QB to be listed as emergency QB on occasion, and good enough at WR to be listed as the 5th or 6th WR on occasion. Having him in that roster slot means two positions are covered, which is all you could ask of a guy who seems destined to be a career roster-filler.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 22, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I believe you are correct. He could come in during the fourth quarter at any position with no penalty.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 19, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
It's a good idea in theory...
…but I don’t see Stanback as such a play making threat for it to make a large difference.
by Richard Hill on Feb 19, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
I could see that working if the 3rd QB guy was a genuine threat, say, a Mike Vick
but Stanback’s probably not big or quick or shifty enough to really be enough of an impact player to bother doing it as a “secret weapon” deal – even a tired Moss, Welker, Tate or Edelman is more likely to have a big play than Stanback.
It’s still nice to have the option, though. If a few of the WRs picked up injuries during the game and he’s the emergency QB (and filling that bonus roster spot), you get the option to use him as the emergency WR in the 4th if necessary. Roster flexibility is always a good thing, so he’s arguably more useful as the emergency QB than a vet free agent who can only play QB.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 19, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Troy Brown, David Patten, David Givens and Reche Caldwell were all bonafide #1 receivers?
If that’s your proof that Brady hasn’t elevated receivers, then you’ve lost. They weren’t. They all played with heart and ahrd work, particularl Brown who deservedly is a fan favorite, but a #1 should be elite to near-elite. That does not describe that group. As someone pointed out, this comes down to leadership, which has been one of Brady’s strengths, not weaknesses.
might as well throw Branch in that group too
I hope we get him back!
by DrJgopatsgators on Feb 19, 2010 2:43 PM EST reply actions

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