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Patriots Randy Moss speaks out

For years, Randy Moss was known as a guy who took plays off.  His stint with the Oakland Raiders didn't help his persona that much.  He was viewed as a problem child with baggage when he came to our New England Patriots at the beginning of the 2007 season.  Suddenly, he wasn't such a slacker.  Breaking the single season receiver TD record with 23, many were eating a lot of crow.

In 2008, Tom Brady went down and Moss soldiered on with backup Matt Cassel.  11-5 and inches away from taking the division, a heated race with the Miami Dolphins saw the Fish emerge with the title.  Again, the pundits starting bashing Randy.  That's because they know jack about football.

Star-divide

Moss is a gazelle, just take a look at his body type.  I was within 10 feet of him at training camp and his legs look like stilts, a stick figure in a football uniform.  He takes an incredibly long time to get going, the antithesis of Wes Welker's drag racer quickness, but overall lack of speed.  In 2008, Josh McDaniels had to carefully "handle" Matt Cassel.  That meant no long, downfield bombs to Randy Moss.  It meant taking a gazelle and telling him to turn in, on a dime, when he never had.  Randy, change everything you've ever done and become Wes.  Right.

In 2009, there was hope that the return of Tom Brady would mean 2007 numbers and similar success.  Not so.  Brady struggled to get his rhythm back and, at times, the sideline bomb to Randy looked forced, like the coaching staff was trying hard to get Moss into the game.  Star Jets CB Darrelle Revis even went so far as to call Moss a slouch.  Ok, a little bravado but unfortunately the King of Revis Island sounded more like a Court Jester when it was discovered Moss was playing with a separated shoulder for most of 2009.  I've separated my shoulder and I could barely lift my arm to type at my computer.  Moss plays football.  And with a separated shoulder, he managed to rank fifth in receiving yards and tied for first with 13 touchdowns.  Yeah, slouch.

Now, Randy is contemplating his future with the New England Patriots and he doesn't see much past 2010:

"I don't think they are going to extend my contract here," said Moss, speaking to reporters at the charity softball game of former Patriots teammate Heath Evans.

Looking around him, it's not hard to see why he feels that way.  The Patriots have been dragging their heels in dealings with start nose tackle, Vince Wilfork.  They DRAFTED the guy and he turned out to be a stud.  Why would Randy, approaching 33, feel like New England would extend him a contract?

I like to believe in the system.  I like to believe Kraft and Belichick know what they are doing.  Afterall, there's 3 Lombardis at Patriot Place.  But is it time to change?  Is "The System" that so many sell as the reason for their success in need of fine tuning?  No named OC or DC.  No contract for Wilfork.  Lack of strong defensive leaders.  A receiving corp in serious trouble.

It may be time for a tune up.

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I want him back

He is one of the elite WR NFL has ever seen. This guy gets doubled…sometimes tripled teamed.

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by NinjaZX6R on Feb 21, 2010 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

We must sign him till the end

When you bring in Randy Moss and he has the best season ever for a WR . He is Brady’s man you must sign him until he retires bottom line. " Randy goes I go" TB better be on the same wavelength.

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by Yardpenalty.com on Feb 21, 2010 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

I say we sign him up as a #2.

I don’t think Randy will have the opportunity to work with a QB the caliber of Tom Brady ever again. Who will sign him?
Manning, Rivers, Rodgers and Brees are the only QBs that I think could hold their own to Tom Brady. I don’t see him going to the Colts or Saints, both who are set with young WRs. The Packers and the Chargers have two studs of receivers that I think will be back for more years, so I don’t see Moss going there either. Moss, in my opinion, will be in the best possible situation if he stays in New England.

by Richard Hill on Feb 21, 2010 7:58 PM EST reply actions  

I'm torn

I definitely don’t want to see him go. And I definitely don’t think he was a slouch – his stats were as good as anyone elses. But I would imagine that if he goes into free agency, he’s gone – there are too many other teams who would pay more for a 34-year old Randy Moss than NE would. And that’s not taking into account the risk of a lockout year – you don’t want to sign the guy to a multi-million dollar extension and then have the most productive year of that contract (when he’s 35 and not 36, for instance) being killed by a league-wide lockout.

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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 21, 2010 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

Love Randy

     There is actually a more lengthy article, or 2, over at the Globe right now. It’’s about as much as we’ve heard from Randy all year. It’s also, very positive despite the apparent pessimism from Randy about his future with the Pats. He is ready to go all out next year, regardless of his situation. He speaks clearly and straightforwardly about the struggles on offense last year, but again, not with any attitude or displeasure. So, it’s nice to hear from him.
    Also, Randy, I’m fairly certain, didn’t broach the subject. although I can see the ESPN headline now: Disgruntled Moss not happy in New England.
    I am so excited to have Randy Moss, he is still one of the best, he’s hungry for a ring, and he says he’s going to play till the wheels fall off.
    So, i’d personally give him a fair shot at staying here, and only let him walk if some team is willing to grossly overpay him.

by furiousd on Feb 21, 2010 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

Just curious.. what are the chances that your FO actually lets Wilfork walk?

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by dolfan0918 on Feb 21, 2010 9:13 PM EST reply actions  

0%.

We’d rather franchise him than let him walk.

by Richard Hill on Feb 21, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont blame you but, dont you think he’ll be a bit mad to get franchised again?

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by dolfan0918 on Feb 21, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course he will.

When the Patriots use the franchise tag, you could almost be certain that we won’t be keeping him. Wilfork could be traded for a 1st and 3rd and I’m sure a lot of teams would be interested.

In fact, we’ve traded/let go the past 4 players we’ve franchised.

by Richard Hill on Feb 21, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Bills could use him now that they're a 3-4

They could use LT and RT now that you think about it..

Vince Wilfork Bandwagon went up in flames soo...
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by dolfan0918 on Feb 22, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

um...

unless we feel like dealing with schobel, stroud(or whoever that DT is, that can be a 3-4 end), and possibly maybin on the outside, i don’t exactly want wilfork on their team.

by patriotguy2 on Feb 22, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Better to franchise him and hope someone wants to trade

Otherwise, letting him stroll means almost no consideration – you’d get a 3rd or 4th round compensatory draft pick the next season, but he’s worth a lot more than that.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Feb 21, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

He hasn't been franchised before

But I still don’t think he’d appreciate it getting it once. He’s a class guy though, I’m sure he’ll put in full effort next year no matter what.

by Csigs on Feb 21, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe this is Randy's version of a preemtive strike.

I think he would like to finish his career here, and doesn’t want to be in the position Wilfork is right now. I don’t believe BB & Co. will not resign him. TB would be extremely unhappy without RM.

On the other hand, RM has seen how the Pats front office deals with players approaching the twilight of their careers. He may be letting everyone be prepared if he is not resigned.

I honestly thought Vince would have had a contract before the season, but it didn’t work out that way. I really have a bad feeling how things are going to turn out with VW.

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by Ironman63 on Feb 22, 2010 4:54 AM EST reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

Wilfork sent a shot across the bow by not attending OTA’s. Unfortunately, it seems the best way to get a contract is to sit out training camp or something. Sheesh, I wish Kraft, Inc. would just deal fairly with this guys.

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by MaPatsFan on Feb 22, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

How much do our chances increase

to finding a WR in the draft, or a potential starter in free agency?

by patriotguy2 on Feb 22, 2010 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

Little, I think.

We’ve had a need, we’ve known that Moss is getting old. I guess we expected that Moss would slide over to #2 or #3 when we renewed his contract- so maybe finding a #1 is important. I think going back to the beginning of the decade wouldn’t be a bad idea. We could have a bunch of guys who can catch the ball and whoever is open gets the pass.

by Richard Hill on Feb 22, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you serious?

Do you really feel you need to defend Randy Moss? He was elected to the NFL team of the decade ’00s. He certainly gets respect, plenty of respect.

Wes Welker’s overall lack of speed? I’ve played NCAA Division I ball, so while you were at your computer struggling with your separted shoulder, I was playing safety and covering wide receivers and tight ends, many of whom are in the NFL now.

Wes Welker does not “lack speed”. In fact that is basically an ignorant comment.

Darrelle Revis completey shut down Moss and no excuses need to be made. At this point in his career, Moss is not good enough to beat Darrelle Revis. But remember this, Revis is at the height of his career and Moss is at the end of his career. In the world of fantasy match ups, Revis against Moss during his Viking years would have been some match up. Revis against Mel Blount in the 70s would have been another great fantasy match up. Moss probably wouldn’t be able to get open at all in they were playing pre-1978 rules, but nonetheless it would have been an interesting matchup.

You may be a Pats fan, but you really have no business writing about football until you learn a little bit more. Revis had a simply amazing season. A guy who can cover wide receivers in an era where offensive linemen can legally hold, a CB can’t breathe on a WR and receivers can basically interfere, push off, hold and get away with it 90% of the time, is a freak of nature. Revis had a superhuman year and was ripped off in the defensive MVP race. Revis was head and shoulders better than Woodson. Sure Woodson can blitz better and he jumps routes and gets picks, but Revis played man coverage way better than Woodson. I only saw one clean interference call against Revis all season, I saw Revis get ripped off with bad calls. Woodson was called often for interference and looked foolish against Pittsburgh, Arizona and a few other teams last season. But enough about Revis, this is a chat about Moss.

No apologies need to be made for Randy. He is a great wide receiever and will be rewarded and respected with an election to the NFL Hall of Fame.

by Football Historian on Feb 22, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

Wow, you must be tired

rushing from football blog to football blog admonishing writers who have never played in the NFL from offering their thoughts about football players.

Do you limit your blogging qualification threshold to just this site or does that include other blogs, the beat writers for the local rags and/or the national media experts who have never picked up a check from an NFL franchise? Does just Division 1 qualify? How about playing in Division 2 or 3? High school ball? Get over yourself and your “qualifications” for contributing to a blog.

There was no dig at Revis’ ability at CB above, just at his comments towards Moss, which were unnecessary. If Moss was indeed such a slouch, then why would Revis need to blow his own horn so loudly, trumpeting his ability to shut him down? How hard is it to shut down a slouch?

Plus, you might want to read what was written before criticizing. You’d have to be blind not to notice the difference between the way Randy Moss runs, and the way Wes Welker runs which was what the Welker speed comment was about. It doesn’t take an NCAA Division 1player to observe that in a straight line run, Welker can be caught up to pretty easily whereas Randy Moss can’t.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Feb 22, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

does this guy remind you off that guy 3-4 months ago

who said he was a college player and until you played football in college, you can’t argue w. him?

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I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159 mph is my top speed..will top that this spring
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by NinjaZX6R on Feb 22, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe smp can use his stalking skills to find his ip address

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I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159 mph is my top speed..will top that this spring
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
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by NinjaZX6R on Feb 22, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Possible, but not likely the same guy.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 22, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Wop de do, "Div 1 safety"

While we’re all sure you may have had an illustrious college career as the goyen of coverage, this artilcle was about Randy Moss staying in NE beyon d this next season. While the writing drifted a bit, the part about Revis had to do with Revis’ big mouth. Footbal players should be humble, something you should have learned, since careers can disappear in one play.

Moss, while much older, will likely remember what Revis had to say when they play the Jets next year. The student will likely be taught a new lesson from the master.

by jdn on Feb 22, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Randy Moss gets statistical respect, but he gets zero respect for the effort he puts into the game. He plays his heart out with no complaining and gets called a slouch. Sure, he’s been nominated to the team of the decade- there’s a high chance people would unfairly vote him to the “Malcontent Team of the Decade” squad as well.

Of course Revis had a great season- that’s indisputable. The fact that he called Moss lazy and a quitter when Moss was playing while injured is what MaPatsFan is commenting on. Everyone is quick to forgive Brady’s mistakes due to his injuries- why do we not give Moss that same gesture? Oh, see my above point. It’s because the media wants to, whether subconsciously or on purpose, portray Moss in a negative light.

And Wes Welker does NOT have burning speed. He has blazing quickness. There is a huge difference and that statement is far from ignorant.

You claim to be watching fooball since the 1970 merger. That would date you at, say you watched football the day you were born, at being in college from 1988-92, or thereabouts. Pray tell which players you “covered” are in the NFL right now?

And for a person who throws out judgment about whether or not we should write about football, and for a person who claims to have played DI safety, you appear to glaze over why Woodson was defensive MVP over Revis. In fact, you even said it yourself. Revis was definitely the best CB in the league. Without a doubt. However, that’s all he did. Woodson was asked to do everything and he did everything better than most everyone else- he had the greatest utility and greatest result out of any defensive player this past season. An MVP, whether it’s offensive, defensive or league, doesn’t JUST do the best at their position- they go above and beyond their position. Chris Johnson was the Titans’ offense. Peyton Manning was the Colts’ offense. Charles Woodson was the Packers’ defense. Darelle Revis was “just” the best CB in the league.

Go talk about your irrelevant history elsewhere.

by Richard Hill on Feb 22, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Since when did Revis's football ability mean he's any less of a mouth?

He didn’t say “I shut down Randy Moss” – that’s arguably true. He said that Moss is a “slouch”. Last time I checked, slouches don’t get 1000 yard, 10 TD seasons. Just because Revis is a very, very good CB doesn’t give him carte blanch to rip on WRs. Just like how your playing whatever level of football doesn’t give you carte blanch to rip on a writer on a football website.

“You may be a Pats fan, but you really have no business writing about football until you learn a little bit more. Revis had a simply amazing season”. Where did MaPatsFan say Revis didn’t have a good season? Revis is a mouth. MaPatsFan pointed it out. Maybe when you were playing in your NCAA Division I team you neglected your studies and didn’t learn to read? I repeat: where did MaPatsFan doubt Revis’s ability to play as a CB?

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Feb 22, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Another voice questioning Moss' effort:

Aaron Wilson, The National Football Post Feb 21, 8:39 pm EST

Consistent effort and health from Moss would help the situation, too.

So now Moss isn’t just inconsistent in his effort. He’s inconsistent in his health, too. What a bum.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 22, 2010 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

who knew you could separate your shoulder

being a slouch and taking plays off? He must have tripped while jogging his route.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Feb 22, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I know! He could CONSISTENTLY take plays off and CONSISTENTLY have poor health.

The Pats offense would be better with his new found CONSISTENCY.

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The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 22, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

who is aaron wilson?

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by NinjaZX6R on Feb 22, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

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