Vince Wilfork's future with the Patriots...or not
By now, everyone knows that nose tackle Vince Wilfork has had a non-exclusive franchise tag slapped on him. And, if you're not aware, the franchise tag is a way for a team to "hang on" to a player, a designation given to someone who is about to become an unrestricted free agent. From wikipedia.org:
A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.
Wilfork is entitled to the average of the top 5 player's salaries at his position, a cool $7.003 million. That's a steal. Now before you climb all over me with the "I'm out here working for a living and you're telling me 7 mill ain't enough..." (I work for a living, too), this is football. Vince has said he doesn't want Albert Haynesworth money. Albert signed a 7 year deal with the Redskins and, if you use the low figure of 4 years and $48 million outlined in the linked article, Albert is still at $12 million per year, 71% higher than Vince's franchise amount.
Franchising is usually bad for a player and in this case, it's bad for Wilfork because he doesn't get to explore the free agent market and find out what he's really worth. Given he's at the prime of his career, is healthy, and is a premier talent (many teams are exploring the 3-4 alignment), the big man, may have garnered in the double digits for a yearly salary.
My sense is it's about the length of the contract more than the money. Oh, don't get me wrong - money is important. But players at this stage of their career (successful first contract stint), want to capitalize on their success AND guarantee longevity as they "slide" into the second half of their career. Who can blame them? This sport chews them up and spits them out. Why not get what you can?
The thought of Vince not wearing a Flying Elvis is sickening to this Patriots fan. But it's a possibility. There are teams that may be willing to part with 2 first round draft picks if the Patriots decide not to match the other team's offer. Is Vince worth 2 first rounders? It depends on how much said team is looking for a 3-4 nose tackle of Vince's caliber.
If the above becomes reality, that Vince ends up on another team, who can step up? Well, 2 names come to mind: Ron Brace and Myron Pryor. Second rounder Brace was supposed to be the heir apparent, the shot across the bow in negotiations with Vince. Surprisingly, sixth rounder Pryor became the man to fill the middle when Wilfork was out for a few games. Am I comfortable with second year man Myron or Ron filling Vince's shoes? I'd rather have Wilfork, but those two guys, Pryor in particular, proved they could handle the job when called upon to do so.
Like I've said for most of this season, sign the man. Guarantee him $28 million with the possibility to earn $10 million per year for 4 years and see if he bites. I think that's reasonable. The guaranteed money divided by 4 years is basically his franchise amount and he can make $40 million in 4 years with whatever incentives the Patriots decide to throw in. Sound ok?
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I really meant $10 million per year, total of $40 million - I didn't articulate that too well
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is there any summary resource
That can maybe highlight how the uncapped year, coupled with the possibility of a lockout, are affecting contract negotiations across the league?
Some teams like the Lions and the Steelers are making their own "cap"
Most teams are continuing as if nothing is happening. Can’t think of a single resource, though.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 22, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
And there's always the threat of a 2011 lockout, so teams are reticent to sign old players long-term
It’d really suck to have sign your 31 year old stud OLB now, and have him potentially get injured in 2010, have him not play 2011 due to league issues, and have a 34 year old guy in 2012 who hasn’t played a down. That’s the sort of thing teams are trying desperately to avoid.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 22, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
just as a theoretical game...
…how big a contract do you think another team would have to offer him before the Pats say “okay go right ahead” and take the 2 first round draft picks?
I mean, I’d hate to lose him. And if we had him locked up in a long-term contract and some team offered us two 1st rounders, there’s no way we take that. But it seems to me that if the organization feels like it’s not going to get a long-term deal done, what is more useful to the team…to get one more year of service from him and then see him sign elsewhere and get no compensation at all, or else “lose” his services this year as well but walk away with two first-round draft picks?
I’ve gotta feel that if the team is convinced we are not going to sign him long-term, we would get down on our knees and pray that some other team is willing to pay the double-first-rounder compensation in order to sign him away from us.
They could also make a deal for less than two first rounders if they wanted.
That happens quite a bit.
Not very likely some team (except the Redskins or Raiders) pay out Haynesworth money AND fork over two first rounders.
You’d have to be crazy or stupid, but both Snyder and Davis qualify.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 22, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Milking the crazy owners for draft picks
I like it. Plus Snyder seems to break out in a rash whenever anyone says anything about the Redskins drafting people – he’d rather trade them all away for some reason.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 22, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Factor in the quality of first-round picks.
A team offering what’s likely to be two top-10 picks (say, from the Lions) are worth a lot more than a team offering two high-20s picks (from say, the Colts).
At the moment there are a LOT of variables to take into consideration: Wilfork’s weight issues (which might shorten his career and usefulness); the possibility of a 2011 lockout (don’t want to pay the man and then lose his services, right?); the quality of picks offered; the likelihood of rookie salary caps (why pay Wilfork all that money when you might be able to pay a lot less for those first-rounder DTs if there’s a rookie salary cap in place?); how confident the Pats are of getting a replacement guy from inside the roster, from the draft, or via trade/free agency; who he’s going to (don’t want him turning up on the ’Phins roster, right?); etc
I’m sure they’ll have a system to weigh up all those factors in order to figure out whether to match any offers.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 22, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
there are 4 guys besides mt. cody i see as a replacement for VW
1) http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/563224
2) http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/564835
3) http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/564883
4) http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/561594
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I'd also add Odrick to that
Although he’d be ideal as a RE, he’s played DT in College (and done well) and has the requisite size. While I think the athleticism would be wasted in the Nose, it’s rather useful he can do it, too – say, if Wilfork sits out the first 10 weeks.
Those guys are pretty interesting – Thomas is a first-rounder who (probably) has a dropped stock (Wilfork was one of those, too, remember); Oghobaase looks interesting, although consecutive seasons of injuries (including leg injuries on a 300lber) might knock him back; Ivey battled injuries, but when they say “strong in the middle” he might be worth a look; Weston’s got Wilfork-size.
Any idea about where those guys might end up? If Hoodie goes D-line in the first round, there’s a good chance he’ll go D-line in the 6th and 7th, too, especially with conditional picks. One of these guys might be the next Pryor, especially if Jarvis Green and Wilfork leave.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 22, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
without looking at the links
I looked up 2 interesting guys before, that I was hoping the raiders will get. Dan Williams and Cam Thomas.
anyone else expect the owners to...
rework the CBA before the draft just so they can screw the players who haven’t been in the league 6 years and then institute a rookie cap to kill rookie pay? That would be devious.. then again Davis and Snyder would be confused and complain that they can’t almost literally throw money at problems.
Guys, I wouldn't worry about this too much.
I have a sneaking suspicion that nothing is going to happen until March 5th. Go to the bottom of the article. The salary cap is still in effect until March 5th. I’m presuming that both parties are taking this so well because they’re waiting until that date.
In the mean time, the FO will try and sign the other players to contracts that DO fit under the salary cap. I’m presuming Wilfork will have the greatest salary increase this off-season, so everyone else that we want can most likely be resigned with our cap space.
Draft Picks.....
If Vince is traded for picks not so sure they will end up being very high as the Pats don’t want to pay the money for them. Of course by the time the picks are made a rookie scale will probably be in effect.
You can trade for high picks, and then trade *again* to turn them into lower (and cheaper) picks
If a team was stupid enough to offer the first pick in the draft, for instance, the Pats could pull the trigger, and then bleed a team like Seattle for two first rounders. They can then turn those two first rounders into, say, four second rounders. Ch-ching.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 24, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
A trade of Vince Wilfork for draft picks would NOT help the Patriots.
Mayo would HAVE to get 200 tackles because the guys on the line can’t stop anyone…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 23, 2010 6:54 PM EST reply actions
They aren't really meant to - they eat blockers
None of them are ‘meant’ to get 100 tackles a season; Wilfork was getting to the Pro Bowl on the basis of what, 40 tackles? It’s the pressure they provide by annihilating multiple O-linemen and opening lanes for linebackers that makes 3-4 linemen effective, not them actually making tackles themselves (although, of course, it doesn’t hurt).
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 24, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of how Full Backs get to the pro bowl.
Not their yardage, but how little the HB behind them is touched.
If their good there and in short yardage it’s a plus.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 25, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
And if they get their name in the papers as a part-time HB like LeRon McClain, it helps...
That guy’s a shoe-in for Pro Bowl selections from now on, if only because people remember a near-1000 yard rushing season more than they remember blocking. I wonder if he will negotiate Pro Bowl escalators in his next contract? That’d hurt after a while.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 25, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
has he said anything about it yet?
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