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NFL combine - valuable or waste of time?

Every year at this time, NFL prospects descend on Lucas Oil Stadium in what could be called the largest job fair in the sporting world.  This is like speed dating, only you're talking to prospective teams about your future.  There's not only a physical aspect to it (a number of different drills we'll get to in a minute), but there's an interview process.  In 15 minutes, a team has to judge whether or not this prospect deserves a second look.

There's always a lot of buzz around this time.  Frankly, I think it's because everyone's desperate for SOMETHING NFL related, even if they're getting a hamburger instead of a filet.  At any rate, prospects run, jump, shuttle, throw, catch, and run all sorts of drills supposedly designed to give a team's scouting department some information about the player's abilities.  But some slip through the cracks.  For example, DE Vernon Gohlston impressed the hell out of coaches and front office stuff when he attended the 2008 combine.  He's been largely a bust for the Jets.  On the flipside, Wes Welker wasn't even invited to the combine and he turned out to be the best slot/underneath receiver in the game.

More after the jump...

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There are a number of interesting stories surrounding this year's combine, but none is creating more buzz than the Tim Tebow saga.  Tebow hasn't opted out of the entire combine; he'll do the agility drills.  What he WON'T be doing is the positional drills.  You know, the ones where he shows what he can do at his position like, I don't know, THROW THE BALL?

Coaches and scouts may rave about the numbers that are posted during a workout, but the essence of the combine is the competition. Team officials want to see how prospects handle the pressure of performing against other top players at their positions. Those who rise to the occasion earn high marks for their championship intangibles (competitiveness and mental toughness), and those traits highly coveted by decision makers seeking to upgrade their franchises.

Part of the reason is Tebow's re-tooling of his throw.  He's been derided for a slow delivery and has been spending time with folks to fix that.  Hmm... I'm not sure it was wise to re-tool weeks before the combine, but I'm just a blogger with an opinion.  He will, however, perform positional drills during his pro day.

I won't dive into every drill (you can find them here), but suffice to say they're meant to give scouts an "empirical" look at a player.  Scores are the "tangibles", the things you can put into a spreadsheet and use to compare 1 player's numbers against another's.  They don't, however, shed any light on the intangibles like football IQ, mental toughness, and maturity.  The interview process attempts to get to those intangibles, but even that can be flawed.  Some people are very good at interviewing but turn out to be duds and some are horrible at it while turning out to be starts.  I think it's a crapshoot, but it's the only crapshoot in town.

I'm not big on the combine because so many college players spend the weeks and months leading up to this event essentially "cramming" for it.  They hire combine trainers, work like crazy at specific drills, and learn how to interview effectively.  In my mind, it's the scholastic equivalent of testing well, but possibly not having any potential at an NFL level.  Unfortunately, it's the best they have to offer.

For Combine coverage, check www.nfl.com/combine.  SB Nation has got you covered, too.  We have "feet in the Lube" with our NFL Combine Diary.

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Valuable or waste of time?

For most teams it was a chance to finally see Player A and Player B on the same field. It was close to the final grade on a test that was three or four years in the making. Valuable? Yes at one time.

Now with cramming for the combine, the media circus, players opting out and yet others not invited, it is becoming more of a show than a tool. More for the media than the teams. There is still potential value seeing Player A vs Player B on the same field, but it becomes difficult to seperate the Workout Warriors (shuttle drill specialist say), from the guys that can actually cover a receiver. Bench press stars, from guys that have the vision to be great backs. Waste of time? Not completely, but far less value than there could be.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 26, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

Players and agents have found a way to manipulate the workouts

The players decide whether they’ll run or throw or lift or whatever. They’re coached up on the interview process too, which is where I think the real value of the Combine lies. All the physical feats can end up to be misleading.

To a certain degree, high schools have followed suit with hyper-specific training. When I was in high school, it was enough for a kid to be a good all around athlete, participating in a number of different sports depending on the season. Now, the parents are enrolling their kids in premium athlete training facilities (big bucks) so their son or daughter will have an advantage. That’s after sending them to a sports-specific camp all summer and bringing them to tryouts all over the state and paying to get them on teams in bigger leagues with higher profiles. Amazing.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Feb 26, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I can agree on the High Schools prepping people..

Being near the persistent national power of South Panola High School, I know they get kids from all over the south just transferring to attend the school for the facilities and coaching. I remember the day when you didn’t have to recruit a high school…

Combine though, I prefer the Wonderlic test and the interviews. Usually you can tell who either sucks bad or doesn’t have the mind for the game. Notably, Vince Young got a 16 on the Wonderlic… a 16… on the retest. The original score was a 9.. according to the people that make the Wonderlic, a 10 means your LITERATE. That said, the current highest score is a 48 by Benjamin Watson. Wierd huh?

You can also learn alot by how people treat the Combine too. Like the tackle from Alabama last year or even Michael Crabtree, both kinda taking time off or just plain taking off. I think it’s more a stress test and alot of the guys just fail.

by satsunada on Feb 26, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The bit I like is the average Wonderlic scores by position:

Offensive tackle – 26
Center – 25
Quarterback – 24
Guard – 23
Tight end – 22
Safety – 19
Linebacker – 19
Cornerback – 18
Wide receiver – 17
Fullback – 17
Halfback – 16

Smartest:
Offensive line (The big guys are no dummies)
Quarterback (Not as smart as the guys who keep him upright)
Tight-End (of course he keeps the QB safe too)
Safeties and LBs (the brains of the defense)

On the other end:
Half-backs – guys that run into bigger guys and are done by age 30 – not so smart.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 26, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

vince young and akali smith scored a 9

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by NinjaZX6R on Feb 26, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

So did 2 dust bunnies and a piece of lint.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 26, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pats draft smarter guys - Watson being the obvious example

And on a weird flipside, there’s a hint that other teams choose the relatively stupid players. Mike Martz only drafts idiots – anyone else is likely to be “distracted” from football. Apparently having a higher-than-average IQ means you’re likely to be led astray by glittering ligh… OOH, A SPARROW…

I’d keep an eye on Safety Myron Rolle for the Pats. Not because he’s a phenomenal athlete (although there are signs that he is), but because he’s very, very bright. As in Rhodes Scholar, Oxford University grad student, future neurosurgeon. And it’s no surprise that apparently the Pats are scouting him particularly intensely – interviews and the like.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Feb 26, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You mention Gholston

I’m surprised you didn’t mention Mike Mamula, who’s a perfect example of a model of Combine perfection turned gametime bust.

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by R_Adragna on Feb 26, 2010 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

Mamula actually had some stats though

Gholston is just a failure, top to bottom. He probably could have done better without a psycho coach though. Ya know, someone who actually coaches instead of freaking out and throwing things (rex ryan) or fining you for talking out of turn ( Mangini). That’s the really the problem with alot of these failures, they get with coaches who are nothing but yelling and screaming or they swap coordinators every other year ( i’m looking at you Alex Smith).

On a side note, anyone else think that one day Mangini will completely break and go Fahrenheith 451 on the team playbooks?

by satsunada on Feb 26, 2010 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

I think I'll lose any respect for Holmgren, if he keeps Mangina as his coach.

I could see one year – tops just to see what’s what (although talking to some of the players and coaches, you could probably suss it pretty well). If he’s there a second year, they better be leading the division or something.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 26, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm, it depends on how much coaching he lets Mangini do

Mangini must have some talent – otherwise Hoodie wouldn’t have bothered with having him as a Co-ordinator. If Holmgren is a Head Coach-by-proxy and makes all the decisions, and cuts back Mangini to only do what Mangini is good at (presumably D, right?), then it might work. Mangini saves face because he’s a HC, Holmgren holds the reigns and does the business, and perhaps they actually do a decent job.

Or Mangini can be Mangini and start fining everyone for drinking water, smiling and breathing…

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Feb 27, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm picturing Mangina on a very short leash.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 27, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

The most valuable part of the combine is the 40

Consider: someone with late-round talent at best is bound to run a 4.2 or 4.3. The Raiders will draft said player in the first round, thus ensuring that they don’t fill one of their many needs and helping them have another horrible season. In turn, that guarantees the Pats a top five pick in the 2011 draft.

QED — the most valuable part of the combine is the 40.

by RSNexile on Feb 26, 2010 6:05 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Made me laugh until I started coughing....

Bueno.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 26, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome!

Yes, this year, the most valuable guy is the one that runs the fastest 40. I think that might be C.J. Spiller this year… or maybe a corner.

by satsunada on Feb 26, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm painting up Ostriches as we speak...

Yes, he’s a football player – he’s at the combine, right? And yes, it he can run the 40 in 3.5s. No, he doesn’t have arms. No, he can’t catch, tackle, kick or block. But he has a 3.5s 40. SOLD!

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Feb 27, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

The Ostrich and Davis can bury their heads together, perfect!

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The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 27, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

People like Tebow are why I don't like College football...

This guy is supposed to be the greatest college player ever? Really? He has a slow release, isn’t very accurate and isn’t particularly fast. To make matters worse, when you put him against good athletes (the NFL), he becomes even more mediocre.

It’s like guys that are funny only around ugly girls and freeze up around pretty ones. I just don’t get college football.

by bbismyhero on Feb 26, 2010 6:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I'm not always big on combine.

I’d rather watch highlights on a particular player while performing in games.

by patriotguy on Feb 26, 2010 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

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