Tom Brady vs. Peyton Manning: Who's the Best? - Part V
by tommasse on Feb 8, 2010 8:08 AM EST
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Once and for all - can we just call Brady and the Patriots the Best
If not the Best Ever the Teams that Brady has led have done a spectacular job – no excuses, no whining… just grit. Sure, there are ups and downs along the way but after yesterday’s performance by manning against the Saints can people finally admit that manning truly is an over rated QB?
He played well...
Manning played well in the SB. He made some great passes that were dropped and ended drives. He threw an untimely pick, but it wasn’t a bad pass, and Wayne is probably as much to blame for it as Manning. Also, Porter deserves credit for a heck of a play on the ball.
Sean Payton did a great job of keeping the ball out of Manning’s hands in the second half and keeping the Colts’ offense out of rhythm when they did have the ball. The Saints defense also stepped up in the fourth quarter in a way that no other team has been able to against the Colts all year. By the fourth quarter most D’s looked totally gassed against the Colts (like when we played them), but the Saints D hung in there and played their best football in the fourth.
Manning played well enough to win, the Colts as a team did not.
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Porter jumped a route, a la Asante Samuel
and as we know from watching Samuel, that’s either a TD at one end or the other, and it’s a coin-toss as to which. If Manning had pump-faked or the route was designed for Wayne to cut in and out, Porter would’ve been stranded on an island of awfulness, and Wayne would’ve been in for a TD. It was a good play for Porter – he read Wayne and Manning perfectly – but it was definitely risky. Fortune favours the brave in Superbowls, though.
I’m actually surprised Manning didn’t do anything to disguise the play – he locked onto Wayne and never faked, looked the CB off, or made out that he was ever going to do anything but throw to Wayne. They’d run that route a few times, so the Saints CB could sit back and wait for the cut. The final few minutes of the Superbowl isn’t the time to look like a rookie NFL QB, and locking onto your #1 receiver is a pretty novice thing to do.
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There was an article that talked about the blitz they were doing (three LB's I think)
so Manning didn’t have much time and Porter knew it. When Wayne cut, there wasn’t time for him to go long before Manning would have been scrambling.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 8, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
I noticed Manning did that a few times - went to Wayne when he was being blitzed instead of Clark
Which suggests that either something was wrong with Clark, or the LBs did a hell of a job containing the guy. He still put up stats, don’t get me wrong, but he didn’t get them on third-downs like he usually does. Manning was forced to look away from Clark, which I was stunned about. Anyone tape the Saints defensive signals? Hahaha.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
well clark was mugged w. in the 5 yard rule
which will be soon banned by the rules committee thanks to polian lol
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I predicted the Saints would mug their receivers off the line just like they did us.
Again – no flags, because it’s legal. The free release stuff sucks.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 9, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
we were hoping the cameras would pan to Polian right at that moment
watching from his box or wherever, and show him watching the replay. I bet he was furious, lol.
Keep the faith!
I bet his face was Patriots retro-red.
That would be a good color on him. ;-)
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 9, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Team of the decade
as is being said by several columnists…I think the team of the decade argument against the pats is over now.
Names aren't important.
Wins are. Especially Super Bowl wins. Anything less is a disappointment.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 8, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Let's not be too quick to slay Manning's legacy just yet.
He threw a late INT to seal his team’s defeat. Brady did the same in the 2006 AFCCG (although it was, to his credit, after the defense coughed up what should have been an insurmountable lead). Manning performed exceptionally well this post-season, but what became obvious in last night’s game is that you can’t have a 32nd ranked rushing attack and except your passing game to work wonders. Sure, Addai ripped off some great 10-12yd runs at times, but when it mattered – when the Colts were in definite running situations, or situations where they really needed the balance (i.e. the second half) – they couldn’t do it.
Only so much can rest on the QB’s shoulders. I think Manning has single-handedly dragged this team to the brink of greatness of several occasions, only to have it all come crashing down on him when reality sets in: one man does not a team make. The Colts have, time and time again, relied far to heavily on Manning and his WRs, at the expense of defense and running.
Of course I think Brady deserves the top spot over Manning, but for me, it’s really a 1A and 1B type of situation – Brady performed in the clutch, but Brady was also never in a situation where he had to be the one making plays 19 games a year. Everyone always says “Manning had the better team, etc.,” but I would venture to say that Brady benefited more from his surroundings than Manning ever did.
I think I would agree with this assessment
We can argue about this until we are all blue in the face but nothing will hash itself out for another 6-8 years.
Although you are all of course incorrect and Manning is the better QB. ;-)
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Peyton's .500 playoff record will haunt him.
And rightfully so, I might add. If their respective careers were to end today, I believe Manning would be remembered much like Marino is – regular season greatness, almost always inevitably followed by post-season flops. Conversely, Brady will be remembered for winning 3 of 4 SBs (and his clutch contributions thereto), going 16-0, holding the TD record (and the rest of the 2007 season) and getting his knee destroyed.
History will remember the champions far more fondly than the regular season phenoms. But there are many more years in each of their careers, I imagine, and I’m grateful for that.
The issue with that is the whole team sport aspect
Peyton at times has drug the Colts kicking and screaming into the playoffs. Once in the playoffs better teams make it harder to shoulder the burden. He still in his 18 playoff games has outperformed Brady in QB rating in Bradys 16 (?).
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by JustAJ on Feb 8, 2010 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Outperformed?
QB rating doesn’t take into account intangible things like winning drives, really bad INTs, clutch performance, etc. So defining performance in terms of QB rating is fairly misleading (as is relying solely on the record).
They’ve both been in 18 games – 14-4 for Brady, 9-9 for Manning. Manning has the slight uptick in passer rating, but History will not remember that. At this point, History will remember Manning as a mediocre playoff performer, while Brady will be memorialized as the winner, the clutch kid. You can chip away at these notions with stats like QB ratings, but at the end of the day, History is not going to care whose contrived stat was better (and QB rating is about as contrived as football stats come).
No, no, I'll agree. Manning 'outperformed' Brady.
His commercials are just great.
“Cut that meat!”
Football is another story.
He really abused those kids.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 8, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
united way skit > sexual harassment skit
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Disagree. I'd vote for the harassment skit
The guts to stand there in his underwear with a straight face?
Priceless.
well
brady looked uncomfortable doing that.
i just think manning being an asshole to kids was hilarious
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Peyton Manning ran off with seconds to go @ Super Bowl 44...that is priceless
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Marvez-Manning-has-unhappy-ending-020710
but the point I'm getting at is............
its a team sport and many a time the Colts losses came on the shoulders of the defense. Peyton can only do so much. Such as 2007, Tom Brady can only do so much. Eventually the rest of the team has to step up and perform.
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Like Brees phenominal numbers last year.
Update the defense, and you get a Super Bowl win. Brees still played well, but it was the defense that iced that game.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 8, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
18 games..tb is 14-4
if manning is truly greater than brady…shouldn’t manning’s greatness overcome his team’s deficiency?
also yesterday, your defense played ok but the high powered offense only put up 17 pts.
TB did won sb with a bunch of no name WR and TE.
Brady threw 7 TD and 1 int in his 4 sb appearances. Manning threw 2 TD and 2 INT in his 2 sb appearance.
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But you can't say a QB is better solely on playoffs anyway.
You can’ maybe say one is better in the playoffs but not overall as a player based on preformance in the playoffs alone.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 8, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Playoff success > regular season stats.
If it was all about how well people do in the regular season, stat-wise, they wouldn’t bother with the post-season. They’d basically make it fantasy football and hand the Lombardi Trophy over to whatever team racks up the most fantasy points.
Playoffs trump all. If they didn’t, Manning wouldn’t have been so absolutely devastated after the game (nor Brady so devastated after the 2007 game, either).
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thats true
but I’d say give it a year or two. This improved defense has the Colts poised to be back in the big dance another time or two. I think most of us are as optimistic about losing this as you can be. The young guys looked good and the Colts aren’t losing anyone that isn’t replaceable, except Gary Brackett.
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yea but Manning will also be remembered for all the records he holds and the fact that he did win the big one.
Still a long ways to go though and many years left so we will know at the end of there careers.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 8, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
of course he will
and neither one will give up being an NFL QB unless injury dictates it for them. They won’t last forever, but I bet they’ll be around for at least another five years.
Keep the faith!
I think we can all agree that this debate will continue for
a few decades afterwards. Even if Peyton gets 1 or 2 more and Brady gets none, its gonna be debated. It just depends who you hate more. :-)
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Or...
Both future first-ballot Hall of Fame quarterbacks continue to do well and maybe get another championship (or two), and both are remembered as two of the best QBs ever to play in the NFL. They already use each other as competition points anyway and their fates are intertwined. Just leave the hate out of it completely.
Keep the faith!
I don't think that is possible for the everyday football fan
most casual opinion is driven on emotion. Whether you like it or not. I don’t approve but such is life.
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Emotions do get the better of fans at times
and I understand there is a difference between hate and football hate because I succumb just like anyone. But when it goes too far in one direction, with an all-insult format and no room for dialogue, then it’s no fun to engage. And there has to be some fun and humor involved somehow – otherwise, why bother?
Keep the faith!
Can we go back to firing Bill Belichick?
I still haven’t figured out who his replacement is… It’s causing me sleepless nights, promise.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
The debate between Brady and Manning will never end.
Some people like Marino and all the stats (in a 14 week season no less), others like Montana and all the wins. Still others are enamored with Elway’s arm, and others like Namath’s touch. Then what Unitas did was phenominal for the time.
Today’s game favors passing, so are the passer’s today best ever when the rules are in their favor? Or is Marino’s stats more impressive because his receivers were getting mugged and he had two weeks less to amass the numbers?
The debate will never end because you can never compare apples to apples. Some people like apples, some like oranges. It’s all good.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 9, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
They got out coached is all.
Jack of all trades-Master of None.....
by Yardpenalty.com on Feb 8, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
One point I take exception with.
You compare Brady’s interception in the AFC championship game to what Manning did on Sunday. Granted both threw picks when both needed touchdowns in a big spot.
Brady was asked to do a lot more:
Brady was on the road.
Brady only had one timeout.
Brady was on the 45 yard line, not the 33.
Brady had 24 secs, not three plus minutes.
Brady wasn’t in a Super Bowl.
Not really apples to apples, similar but not the same.
add
brady had bug eyed idiot and gaffney…both 3rd or 4th WR on normal team as WR.
while manning had wayne and harrison, clark and stockley.
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Peyton Manning ran off with seconds to go @ Super Bowl 44...that is priceless
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Marvez-Manning-has-unhappy-ending-020710
*Manning had Wayne, Collie, Clark and Garcon
by Richard Hill on Feb 9, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
i know but we were talking about the 06 season
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Peyton Manning ran off with seconds to go @ Super Bowl 44...that is priceless
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Marvez-Manning-has-unhappy-ending-020710
my current slant
Brady has defeated Warner, Delhomme, and McNabb in Superbowls.
Manning has defeated Grossman.
"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick
On the other hand...
…Brady lost to Eli.
At least Peyton lost to Brees.
by Richard Hill on Feb 8, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to point that out, too.
But he is, currently, the most highly-paid QB in the NFL.
How did that happen, again?
bc Manning cried and bitched about it and his daddy went to the owner and complained
lol
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If your going to go with Brady lost to Eli and Peyton lost to Brees.
Then you also have to live with Brady beat DelHomme, McNabb, and Warner (a couple of whom may end up in the HOF), while Peyton beat Grossman.
That’s a two-edged sword if there ever was one.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 8, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Grossman was below Eli on the depth chart in NY
Losing to Eli > Winning over Grossman?
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 8, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but remember it is the team your playing and the QB is playing against the teams Defense not the other QB
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 8, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Brady played CB for us against the Giants?
I think he dropped a pick and left coverage of Tyree and let him cradle the ball against the ground and his helmet?
Oh, that wasn’t Brady? May as well have been.
True, but...
that year the Colts were the beneficiary of a particularly weak NFC crop. I’m not taking anything away from the Colts – they still won all the games they needed to against AFC opponents, so they deserve the glory – but I’d wager the playoff games against the AFC competition was a bit harder than a Grossman-led Bears team, especially one where the highest points-scorers were the kicker and the punt/kick-returner.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
On the other other hand
.. Brady’s loss came after he led his team to a go-ahead touchdown late in the fourth quarter. Manning’s came after he threw a pick-six. (That’s to say nothing that your point also indicates that Manning can beat teams with the worst of the quarterbacks, but not those with the best of them; whereas Brady beats most everyone, but occasionally loses to teams with “good” quarterbacks.)
All those people who were "but Vinatieri won the Superbowls"...
True. But only after Brady tied them up. Manning had the same opportunity – he could have driven to get 7 points and tie it up to set up some battle-of-kickers deal, and threw a pick-6 instead. I don’t think we’ll be hearing any “but Vinatieri…” complaints any time soon.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
When he is in the big game
Peyton Manning choked and always will choke. He could never beat Florida when he was at Tennessee and between the Patriots, Steelers, and Chargers in the playoffs he beat one of those teams once in 06. Before and after that game against New England the defense won them those playoff games and Rex Grossman also was a reason why they won the Super Bowl.
Peyton Manning many times in his playoff career did not score many points, just like yesterday. 17? In the Super Bowl. How do you do that against the Saints, but torch the Jets who have the better defense. One word people.
PRESSURE.
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funny
how tenn won a national championship game after he left
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Coincidence?
Oh hell no.
On the court they call me The Cloud, because I make it rain. They also call me Money, because I drop dimes.
Hey tommasse
Nice to see you around! Well done, and what a great time to revisit these classic articles from ‘07, as Manning was all but crowned king of the NFL in a pre-Super Bowl ceremony. This afternoon, Felger and Mazz are tripping over themselves trying to explain how they both thought and assumed Manning would have won the game and how NOW he’ll have his legacy tarnished.
I don’t have much patience for Felger and Mazz, but they’re typical of the media hype that reached its crescendo Saturday night-Sunday morning: Build up a guy so much that when he doesn’t live up to it, he must be torn down and taken down a peg for proving them wrong.
Keep the faith!
Felger is the worst.
At least Mazz is a great baseball guy. There is nothing redeeming about Felger.
It’s a shame, too, because I really thought 98.5 would be a refreshing voice in the market. (Sigh)
Felger is the worst
He’s a disingenuous dirtbag who hides behind catch phrases like “spur-of-the-moment” and “irreverent” to explain his idiotic rantings. Felger and Shaughnessy must be related.
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Shaughnessy at least maintains consistent logic.
He may be whiny and scummy, but when I listen to him, I’m not hearing illogical rant after illogical rant. He’s too pessimistic and cynical for my tastes, but I don’t mind the presence of that voice, as long as it’s tempered with reason and willing to admit when it’s wrong.
Shaughnessy may not always admit his failings (what journalist does?), but he’s not a dumbass.
Or maybe my Holy Cross bias is showing, again.
I have to agree. Felger is a bigger d-bag.
Felger is absolutely nonsensical.
CHB at least occasionally makes sense – or at least you can understand the knee-jerk popular sentiment that might form the basis for his idiocy, even if it is wrong.
Felger just (purposely?) spits out the most ridiculous contrarian, negative crap without any regard to being rational.
Watching him, you get the feeling he just doesn’t give a crap. Have you seen the patriot ‘War Room’ sessions on csn sportsnet? He just sits there, contributing zero to the discussion until the very end, when he says the most negative thing he can possibly think up as a ‘wrap’ for the discussion. Last week, when the news came out about Moss’ shoulder injury, he was down in Miami and was asked by the studio reporter if this changed anything about Felger’s opinion on Moss. He just smirked and held up his hand in a ‘zero’ shape – i.e. ’wouldn’t want new data to mess with your godlike prejudgements!
And of course he is among those who constantly trash guys like Randy Moss and J.D. Drew for their supposed lack of effort and lack of ‘caring’.
What a hypocrite.
Always lurking
I try to stay out of it so I don’t become a distraction. Word is (or was) I’m a little to blunt and honest for some of your visitors (the ones who stopped wearing their 18-1 shirts yesterday).
Besides, I’m in a 12-step Blog-a-holic program, which runs in parallel with my 12-step Computer Game-a-holic program. 1 fanpost and 3 comments on the same thread — I’m over my limit for the next 2 years.
It took 2 years and the Colts' 16-3 season
to fully vindicate the 2007 Patriots and their 18-1 season.
The Colts did the field test and conclusively put to bed the theory that if only Belichick hadn’t been so arrogant in going for history, the team wouldn’t have been under so much pressure and would have won the Super Bowl.
Thanks Indianapolis. Now more people fully appreciate what the Patriots did that season. They took it on and went for it, pressure and all, and I’ll proudly take that with a loss over what the Colts did in week 16.
Keep the faith!
Winners never quit. Quitters never win.
I seem to remember fans of a certain team saying the 2007 Patriots will be forgotten because they didn’t win the Super Bowl. But, thinking of the title of this comment, for what will the 2007 Patriots be remembered? For what will the 2009 Colts?
by tommasse on Feb 8, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think all of us here would agree that the 19-0 Colts wouldn't have gotten a whole lot of respect
historically. Yeah its a great feat but 2007 Patriots, 1985 Bears so on and so forth were still hands down better teams.
Still wouldn’t have played it any other way if I was Polian and the Colts. The resting got them at full strength for the playoff run and I’d argue it got them to the SB. They would have thrown the next weeks game in Buffalo anywho.
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you may not have played it any other way
but the Colts’ players would have. You’ll probably never really know how it affected them personally or the psyche of the team. It may have even had the opposite effect of rest by putting more pressure on them to win – to try and vindicate the team and prove that throwing that game in Week 16 didn’t matter.
Keep the faith!
Anybody else notice the comment in pt.II?
Rudy0498 says on 7/11/2007, "Unless Brady throws 50 TD passes next year with his new offensive cast, I don’t want to hear another peep out of patriot nation on the subject ever again. "
PEEP!!!!!
The answer is definitely Tom Brady.
"Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory...lasts forever."-Shane Falco, "The Replacements"
oh hindesight how great it is...
i remember people writing on how Randy Moss will destroy the patriots, He won;t do crap a \nd make brady worse when he was traded in 07. someone even said the Pats will regret that decision after the 07 season. Boy, so glad that these people can predict the future…
Damn - i was going to bring that up! 'Beat me to it!
I saw that and started laughing out loud – my office mates were a wee bit puzzled.
What I find really funny,
is that Colts fans don’t think it was Manning’s fault. They are making up excuses left and right at stampede blue and can’t come to terms that he fails most of the time in the big game.
Here are some comments from game thread, when the Colts had the ball before Manning threw The Pick.
Peyton is best QB have faith have faith
by eagleswin on Feb 7, 2010 8:21 PM CST
Peyton’s got this
He’s gonna pull an ELI and show these fools what time it is
by sean8686 on Feb 7, 2010 8:21 PM CST
How funny is it to say Peyton is going to pull an Eli?
by Riddering on Feb 7, 2010 8:22 PM CST
If anybody can do it
Peyton Manning can
by MadStork on Feb 7, 2010 8:21 PM CST
Time for the surgeon to operate
by WarWolf on Feb 7, 2010 8:22 PM CST
This is a perfect drive
Because they’re wasting the time….
by Huzaifa P on Feb 7, 2010 8:25 PM CST
Other than that scary throw, Peyton is driving like a mofo.
by Riddering on Feb 7, 2010 8:25 PM CST
OMG
Peyton Manning, this is where you add to your legacy big time…
by Huzaifa P on Feb 7, 2010 8:28 PM CST
Even though we just threw a pick, this loss is on the D
by 35er on Feb 7, 2010 8:36 PM CST
Agreed. They didn’t show up in the second half. AT ALL
by Sulaiman on Feb 7, 2010 8:37 PM CST
Manning didn’t choke
He looked so solid out there sans for one intercepted pass. Anyone saying anything else is envy.
by Bro Namath on Feb 7, 2010 8:39 PM CST
On the court they call me The Cloud, because I make it rain. They also call me Money, because I drop dimes.
there's a fine line between optimism and delusion
They’re upset at the attention on Manning and Wayne not shaking hands after the game, accusing the media of trying to make Manning look “human.” When I mentioned that he was human, the reply weirdly crosses over that fine line:
He’s among the least human.
I’m not sure what they hyped up, he’s the only 4-time MVP. He should get some kind of unprecedented hype. QBs have played much worse in SB wins. Garcon and Wayne need to do a better job next time as well.
He’s not the second coming, he’s already here. He’s got the best numbers the game has ever seen.
Adjust for era and/or defense, his numbers are second to none. He deserved everything that was said about him. People can say what they want, but he’ll continue to accumulate elite numbers in the post-season and regular season.
Keep the faith!
Beware who you make your God. Beware what you worship as an Idol.
That’s all I’m going to say on that.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Feb 9, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand the hero-worship
We don’t know these people. We know only what the media/their teammates/opposing players tell us, and there’s a vested interest in all of them to spin positively – until, of course, it becomes in their interest to snipe. (See the media’s treatment of Kirby Puckett as an example of how quickly idols can fall.)
Go Pats!
by Female Patriots Enthusiast on Feb 9, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
It's a delusion,
when you assume the guy is going to come through. No one is perfect, if I got LeBron or Kobe on my team, I feel confident that they will make the game winning shot, but I don’t assume that they are god and WILL come through.
On the court they call me The Cloud, because I make it rain. They also call me Money, because I drop dimes.
is this from sb?
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i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed on the interstate
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Peyton Manning ran off with seconds to go @ Super Bowl 44...that is priceless
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Marvez-Manning-has-unhappy-ending-020710
I think you're disrespecting Tracy Porter an awful lot man
That play is run to perfection 99 out of 100 times (see final touchdown against the Patriots). Porter thought it was coming and jumped the route. If it wasn’t for the blitz Peyton could have pumped and burned him for a TD. Porter knew the blitz was coming and jumped the route. Kudos to him. If anything rip on Peyton for the half ass attempt at a tackle, not the throw.
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Nah - Manning totally should have just thrown to Austin Collie
who was wide open right in front of him.
Collie came in motion from the outside before the snap and cut upfield through the slot. His defender completely backed off as if he was going deep and Collie instead cut in at the first down distance. He was wide open, just about 3-4 yards to the right of where Manning attempted to throw to Wayne.
The end zone camera confirms that Collie was completely within Manning’s cone of vision and he was well within the exact same throwing lane as the one he used so you can’t blame the pass rush. Manning should have seen him.
Manning was locked in on Wayne. His mistake. Porter does deserve credit for seeing that mistake and capitalizing on it. But it was Manning’s mistake.
its the exact same scenario with the 4th and 2
You know the blitz is coming, a play is called designed for a specific player, its going to that player no ifs ands or buts about it, that is where the throw gos. Melvin Bullit jumped the Faulk pass, Porter jumped the Wayne pass. I say kudos to the defensive players there for knowing its coming.
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hindsight is a killer
you’re right though, about the defense. And that play has been shown in slow motion so many times, it’s easy to say what “should have been done.” There really wasn’t all that much time for Manning though, and he went to his ‘go-to’ guy which pretty much is a successful move.
Keep the faith!
a quarterback's job is to read the defense
and this didn’t even require Manning to turn his head. Both recievers and both defenders were right in front of him in the same passing lane. The Colts O-Line completely cleared that passing lane (which he could have probably run through if he was a running QB).
Porter sat on Wayne’s route. Collie’s defender clearly bit on the deep feint. It happened very early in the play and required no extra time to see and adjust.
At the NFL level, it is Manning’s job to read that.
Manning is a great quarterback – arguably the best ever. But that was HIS mistake. He deserves no credit for just locking in and throwing to his “goto” guy. (Not to mention I thought Clark was his ‘goto’ guy).
Porter made the right play because it was given to him by Manning’s mistake. Porter did nothing extra there other than to sit on Wayne and read Manning’s eyes. He did his job. Manning just made it easy for him.
But nice job trying to change this to a discussion of the “4th & 2”.
I'm not trying to shift the discussion at all
I’m pointing out it is a nearly identical situation. You know, because it is. The 4th and 2 call was right and the slant to Wayne was the right call. Tracy didn’t bite on the Wayne juke. Usually they do.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Even if the call was right, Manning should've disguised it.
He may or may not have had time for a pump-fake – there was a blitz coming. But if it’s a timing route (and it was) with his #1 receiver that he’s thrown to a billion times, he shouldn’t need to lock on. He could’ve looked Wayne off, shifted his stance, anything… but he didn’t. He locked on, didn’t look anywhere else, and didn’t do anything to suggest to the CB that it was anything but a generic 10 yard-then-slant-in route. The same route that I bet Porter saw a 1000 times in reviewed game-tape before the game.
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by Comedic.Sans on Feb 11, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
+1
“Manning was locked in on Wayne. His mistake. Porter does deserve credit for seeing that mistake and capitalizing on it. But it was Manning’s mistake.”
On the court they call me The Cloud, because I make it rain. They also call me Money, because I drop dimes.
It's simple:
I’m not a Patriots OR a Colts fan (I’m an Eagles fan), but after observing the two teams and the two QBs over the years, my opinion is as such:
Manning is the best quarterback of the past decade if all you care about is piling up regular-season wins and passing stats.
and Brady is the best quarterback of the past decade if you care about winning the important games.
by MyronBales on Feb 10, 2010 3:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So it all depends on what you value as a fan
If you value performance in the important games (playoffs, Super Bowls), Brady is the clear favorite.
If you value stat lines and regular season recores, Manning is the clear favorite.
I'd say Brady is better a doing the right thing when it matters most
he may toil the whole game away but when it comes down to it, if his team is in it, he’s going to work his magic.
Manning tends to do the right thing the whole game and then is 50/50 when it matters the most. He usually tries to do way too much.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Trying to do too much
Did you notice that Manning looked worried or uncomfortable on the sidelines and throughout the game Sunday? I did. It made me wonder if he personally felt added pressure to win and to vindicate the team after the bad press of week 16 and the whole ‘resting the starters’ thing. What is your take on that?
Keep the faith!
I didn't really see that
but I was watching the game from a different POV as you I’m sure. I can imagine there was some pressure from week 16, although if they would have won how much media garbage would we have to hear about THEY COULD HAVE BEEN 19-0!!!!! blah blah blah.
I’d say if anything he was feeling the pressure of his mounting legacy. If he drives for the TD and beats the Saints instead of tossing the pick, he’s basically got a free pass for the rest of his life. He is Brett Favre from then on. I felt the pressure, I can’t imagine what he was feeling.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
manning>favre
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but the Favre complex>Manning complex
Favre has “earned” his attitude and can essentially do whatever he wants when he wants and he gets a pass. Even his INT to end the Saints game was chalked up to, that’s just Favre. I can’t imagine how many passes he’s gotten for some bone headed things because he’s Brett Favre.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
At the end of the 3rd quarter
…I made fun of Simms when he said that Manning was unaware of the play/game clock, but I think he was right. He looked rattled.
I have defended Manning against some haters elsewhere (“choke” is way too strong, and inaccurate), but I think that the 2-minute drill thereafter was even more un-Manninglike than the pick. Yeah, the game may have been almost over, but it took them way too long to get down the field (especially given the long Collie completion), and the Colts even lost 7-8 or so seconds because they were undecided as to whether to call a timeout. They didn’t look nearly as efficient as usual.
It’s curious that it hasn’t been mentioned much, because if his initials were DM and his coach’s initials were AR, I think we’d have heard about it a wee bit more.
Go Pats!
by Female Patriots Enthusiast on Feb 10, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, McNabb-bashing, that timeless sport
I don’t think there’s a QB around who gets more strife from his own teams’ fans when he does get to the playoffs than when he doesn’t.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Feb 11, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
Reading the end of part II now is so surreal...
“can we expect Moss, Stallworth, and Welker to steamroll the league? Not really. But if they did, would you be surprised?”
We were so unprepared for how amazing that season was back then.
Definitely
Seems like a once-in-a-lifetime thing now. Wish either the Patriots or NFL Films put out a DVD of that season, even with the SB at the end.
Keep the faith!
i dvr'd the nfl 1 hr clip "path to perfection"
from the nfl network…don’t know if they have it on dvd
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
put it on the big box...not the title box....too lazy to copy and paste
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
i love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159mph is my top speed
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
The Hard Truth
Manning is overrated, but not that overrated. Comparing Brady to Manning is kind of silly actually. They are two completely different styles of player. Manning is like Dan Marino (but not as good) and Brady is like Joe Montana (but not as good).
They are the two greatest QBs of the ’00s decade. What amazes me about Brady is how he won the first few Super Bowls without having great wide receivers. People forget that Montana won his first two Super Bowls without Jerry Rice and John Taylor although he did have Dwight Clark. It was a comparable situation for Brady in the pre-Moss, pre-Welker years.
Manning has the better arm and can throw a better deep ball. They are equivalent at reading defenses and picking them apart. It is uncanny how similar Brady is to Montana, Montana was more athletic, and was better able to handle pressure. Manning is almost identical to Marino, but Marino had a quicker release.
If we must be honest with ourselves there’s no way to call one better than the other. They are both the greatest of this past decade. Roethlisberger is no slouch and will remembered as much as Drew Brees when his career is done. Roethlisberger is like a combination of John Elway and Terry Bradshaw, although he is more like Elway.
by Football Historian on Feb 22, 2010 11:32 AM EST reply actions
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