New England Patriots Live Draft Results
Over at Mocking the Draft, there was a live 2 round draft held by TheAngelsColts. Our very own R_Adragna and NinjaZX6R represented our New England Patriots and they did a very solid job or addressing our team needs.
Here are the results!
22. New England Patriots - Sergio Kindle (DE/OLB, Texas)
44. New England Patriots - Corey Wootton (DE, Northwestern)
47. New England Patriots - Mardy Gilyard (WR, Cincinnati)
53. New England Patriots - Aaron Hernandez (TE, Flordia)
My Opinion:
22. New England Patriots - Sergio Kindle (DE/OLB, Texas)
Other Players Available: Anthony Davis (OT, Rutgers), Charles Brown (OT, USC), Jared Odrick (DE/DT, Penn State), Ryan Matthews (RB, Fresno State), Kyle Wilson (CB, Boise State), Bruce Campbell (OT, Maryland)
Thoughts: While Kindle fills a position that we have a definite need at filling, there are so many other talented players that have to be looked at. I understand not taking Ryan Matthews since he would be a committee back here, and using a 1st round pick on a committee back would be silly. Kyle Wilson is also another player I understand not taking if you're still high on Darius Butler (which I am). However, the trifecta of OTs in Davis, Campbell and Brown is something that needs to be looked at. Davis is widely considered a top 15, if not top 10, talent. Campbell is rough around the edges, but threw up such incredible combine numbers that Al Davis drooled on himself when he heard the results (*source?). Charles Brown is another extremely solid OT prospect that SHOULD be around at the end of the 1st, but shouldn't be overlooked. Also, one has to look at Jared Odrick and see that he fills an immediate need of the Patriots.
My Pick: Jared Odrick (DE/DT, Penn State) - I'm going to take a bet on the Raiders garnering another top 10 pick next year. Therefore, my belief is that there will be an elite OT for the picking early in the 1st next year. So while any other year I would have advocated taking Anthony Davis, the fact that we have the chance of snagging an even better prospect early next year is something I have to factor in. I doubt we'd grab a DE that early next year (a la Richard Seymour), especially when we have such a need for this upcoming year.
More inside.
44. New England Patriots - Corey Wootton (DE, Northwestern)
Other Players Available: Damaryius Thomas (WR, Georgia Tech), Jared Valdheer (OT, Hillside), Patrick Robinson (CB, Florida State), Ricky Sapp (DE/OLB, Clemson)
Thoughts: I think this is a NinjaZX6R pick. Basing my thoughts upon us having grabbed Sergio Kindle at the 1st round pick, this would be the best pick available. There was a LOT of quality player selected between our 22nd pick and this 44th pick and there is a clear drop in player quality. With DE as our biggest priority, I think Wootton is the best DE on the board. However, I think that Wootton will be available later on in the 2nd.
My Pick based on prior mock pick: Corey Wootton (DE, Northwestern). After having picked Kindle, he is the best player who fits our biggest need. So while I wish we could utilize this pick later on, he is the clear choice based upon Kindle coming off the board first.
My Pick based on MY prior pick: Patrick Robinson (CB, Florida State). After selecting Odrick, and assuming we'll grab an OT next year- and not really wanting to take a gamble on a DII player like Valdheer (No, I don't think he'll be the Randy Moss of his position)-, CB and OLB are the two positions I want to upgrade (knowing that there will be plenty of WR depth at the next pick). Robinson plays a smash mouth style that has been missing from our defense. I'm high on Butler, but I'm in full support of bringing youth to our secondary. The Phins have Smith and Davis, the Jets have Revis and Cromartie, the Bills have Whitner and Byrd in the safety position. We have Butler, which is a promising start, but unless Wheatley and Wilhite magically re-appear, we'll need more help in this position. Hence, Robinson.
47. New England Patriots - Mardy Gilyard (WR, Cincinnati)
Other Players Available: Arrelious Benn (WR, Illinois), Jared Valdheer (OT, Hillside), Rob Gronkowski (TE, Arizona), Aaron Hernandez (TE, Florida), Patrick Robinson (CB, Florida State), Eric Norwood (OLB, South Carolina)
Thoughts: Mardy Gilyard would be an excellent pick-up, but I don't think that (shock!) WR is as much of a need this early. I'm willing to give Tate a shot, and we also have plenty of young players to try out on our team. If we are to upgrade at the WR position, I hope it will be with a veteran player. We have plenty of other positions with more pressing needs (OLB, TE, and, potentially, ILB) that I'll have to pass on Gilyard.
My Pick based on prior mock pick: Eric Norwood (OLB, South Carolina). So up to this point, we've selected Sergio Kindle and Corey Wootton. That covers the two most important positions of need. Since we've grabbed them, we can look to our "secondary" positions of needs, such as WR, TE, RB, CB, O-Line and LB. While Gilyard may be a little small, and although he can immediately contribute to all facets of his game (return, receive, special teams), WR isn't a position of youthful need. Gilyard isn't, in my opinion, going to be a #1 and would just provide depth on our roster. For a 2nd round pick, I want someone who will play and will be more than depth. Norwood would be an instant upgrade for our linebacking core. I think Thomas's days are numbered (think- draft day trade) and Norwood could push TBC for playing time. Kindle, Norwood and TBC would provide great LB players reminiscent of our Super Bowl days.
My Pick based on MY prior pick: Eric Norwood (OLB, South Carolina). We've taken Odrick and Robinson thus far, we need to address our OLB position. Norwood is a natural at this position, having played OLB for the past couple of years. For all the reasons listed above, Norwood is my choice.
53. New England Patriots - Aaron Hernandez (TE, Flordia)
Other Players Available: Mike Johnson (OG, Alabama), Rob Gronkowski (TE, Arizona), Eric Norwood (OLB, South Carolina), Patrick Robinson (CB, Florida State), Ricky Sapp (OLB/DE, Clemson), Tyson Alualu (DE/DT, California), Daryl Washington (LB, TCU)
Thoughts: Aaron Hernandez fills a position of immediate need and would be a great potential target in our offense. However, I think that our TEs are called upon to block more that receiver- and blocking is one of Hernandez's weak points. If I were to go for a TE at this position, I would go for Gronkowski based purely upon his size and his better blocking skills. However, much like how I don't think we'll grab a WR early because of Bethel Johnson/Chad Jackson experience or an RB because of Laurence Maroney/RBBC, I don't think we'll grab a TE early because of Watson. The TE position for us is not a glamor position- they're more of a trench guy. None of the top 3 TEs in this draft are blocking TEs, which is why I don't think we'll grab them, despite our immediate need- look for a late round TE pick.
My Pick based on prior mock pick: Daryl Washington (LB, TCU). So Kindle, Wootton and Gilyard have been selected. I know I could still pull the Norwood card- in fact, I could still pull the Patrick Robinson card too. I would have liked to grab Mike Johnson, but the fact that we invested so much into the interior line position in last year's draft prevents me from pulling the trigger and selecting him. Daryl Washington, while projected as an OLB in the 4-3, should play the 3-4 ILB position. Washington has a nose for making the stop, but he'll have to bulk up another 10-15 pounds to keep up with our other LBs. With 4 blocked punts, he'll make an immediate contribution on special teams, while he learns our defense and bulks up.
My Pick based on MY prior pick: Daryl Washington (LB, TCU). After selecting Odrick, Robinson and Norwood, I'm still a fan of further increasing the potential of our LB core. I would have liked to select an OT early, but weighing Odrick vs an OT, I had to go with Odrick and all the good OTs were gone by our next pick. Washington will be a contributing player who, in my opinion, mirrors Gary Guyton, but perhaps with a better nose for the ball.
So a summary of picks:
Live Draft: Kindle, Wootton, Gilyard, Hernandez
My Draft: Odrick, Robinson, Norwood, Washington
Adjusted Draft: Kindle, Wootton, Norwood, Washington
So that's my review of our Live Draft. What are your thoughts?
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1st: Odrick
2nd: Mathews, Best, Tate, or Kyle Wilson
2nd: Washington or Hernandez
2nd: Washington or Sean Lee or Brandon LaFell or Rodger Saffold
If it was me
Odrick,
Kyle Wilson(mathews won’t be there, and best is a 3rd down back, which we already have in Maroney),
Washington,
Sean Lee(we don’t know how McKenzie will be doing after his injury. we could solve the WR thing in the 4th or 5th round, and there are plenty of OT in the draft to choose from. such as Kyle Calloway and Ed Wang who is also a TE). And he can play OLB
The Wootton pick
My first priority would’ve been Saffold there, since he fills a need at OL. However, the Bills beat me to the punch on that one, so Wootton it was.
I won’t deny that picking Wootton a little later on would’ve been ideal. However, that’s only if Saffold was available by the time the draft reaches our first 2nd rounder.
The 2010 New York Mets: Maybe it's the Phillies' turn to have 95% of its roster on the DL
The 2009 New England Patriots: At least we got our division title back
The 2009-10 New Jersey Devils: Allergic to second periods
I'm definitely warming up to the idea of another 2nd round CB a little
I’d still probably go DE-OLB-OLB-(HB/WR), but that’s only because I’d think Adalius Thomas is going elsewhere, Burgess is iffy, and that Banta-Cain is best as a situational player and not an every down LB. That, and having a new, improved, faster front-7 (something like LOLB – TBC + Norwood/Graham, DE – Warren, DT – Wilfork, DE – Odrick, OLB – perhaps Burgess + Norwood/Graham (+ Sapp/Kindle?).
But when you realise that the Pats were in Nickel- and Dime-packages 50% of 2009, picking up a good tackling CB might be an added string to the bow, especially when the other likely nickel and dime-backs (Wilhite, Wheatley) are smaller and prone to getting stomped on when marking up bigger WRs. A guy in the slot who can hit hard could be interesting.
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I can live with this
Given that other teams have a say too, this is probably about the best we could hope for, short of Suh and Okung being available to us in the second round. :)
As a Colts fan and a South Carolina fan
I would cry if you draft Eric Norwood. I mean seriously cry.
As long as we have Peyton (and no surprise gay onside kicks are made) we will always have a chance to win.
Your tears would sustain meee!
AHHHH HAHAHAHA!!!!
The 2010 New York Mets: Maybe it's the Phillies' turn to have 95% of its roster on the DL
The 2009 New England Patriots: At least we got our division title back
The 2009-10 New Jersey Devils: Allergic to second periods
yes YES!!!
reference “Hmm, yummy! Those tears are so good!”
I don't understand why more teams aren't high on him.
First Team All-American as a senior.
3 years of being All-SEC.
School records in tackles for loss and sacks
Played DE and OLB (much like every other potential OLB in the draft), except that Norwood has proven himself at OLB.
His only “knock” is his height (he has great weight), and with the rise of Dumervil, Woodley and the other “Top Rush OLBs” all being under 6-4, I don’t see his height as of big a negative anymore.
by Richard Hill on Mar 14, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially when they're talking up Graham when he as the same issues...
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Mar 14, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's compare...
…
Eric Norwood
Height: 6’1"
Weight: 245 lbs.
Arm Length: 33 3/8 in.
Hand Size: 9 1/2 in.
Brandon Graham
Height: 6’1"
Weight: 268 lbs.
Arm Length: 32 1/4 in.
Hand Size: 9 7/8 in.
Sergio Kindle
Height: 6’3"
Weight: 250 lbs.
Arm Length: 33 1/4 in.
Hand Size: 10 in.
Tully Banta-Cain: 6’2", 250 lbs.
Elvis Dumervil: 5’11", 248 lbs.
LaMarr Woodley: 6’2", 265 lbs.
Brian Orakpo: 6’3", 260 lbs.
DeMarcus Ware: 6’4", 262 lbs.
James Harrison: 6’0", 242 lbs.
Clay Matthews: 6’3", 250 lbs.
So just looking at measurables at OLBs with 10+ sacks, Norwood is in line with most of them. Have him put on 5-10 more pounds and he’ll be a prime size player.
by Richard Hill on Mar 14, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
In looking at that...
I didn’t realise that James Harrison was quite that small, comparably.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 15, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
should have taken matthews
Non Sibi Sed Patriae.
I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159 mph is my top speed..will top that this spring
I bleed Scarlet and Grey...A Buckeye for Life
(formerly mathew.40)
I was pretty high on Mathews at the time
Hoodie did get a good look at him, so I wonder if he was a good linebacker who Belichick decided just wouldn’t fit the Pats-style 3-4 scheme.
The big plays that I saw Mathews make were more about physical size, strength and speed rather than guile or intelligence. Maybe he had the physicals to be a good NFL linebacker in general, but not the intelligence to be a Pats LB in particular?
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 15, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Matthews was a nonfactor when other teams rolled a back to his side...
Honestly, I feel like Doug Worthington could make a big impact in the Patriot defense. He was nigh-unblockable in a conference known for rushing.
I think Northwestern’s Corey Wootton is a player the Patriots can’t pass up. The next thing you know, he’ll be making Tom Brady’s life miserable in Buffalo or Miami…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 15, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope the pats pick up
doug….such a good player…may not be a richard seymour but def will be more like Warren/ Wright kind of player.
plus i want a buckeye on this team.
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I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159 mph is my top speed..will top that this spring
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Shawn Springs doesn't cut it?
Worthington would be a good 3rd or 4th round pick…if he’s still on the board by then…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 16, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
dude is old
and apparently he and other cbs were laughing in the locker room after loses.
doug was once rated as a 7th rd pick and now since the combine, he is rated as high as a 3rd rd pick
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I love my ZX-6r Kawasaki.....159 mph is my top speed..will top that this spring
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Springs was a healthy scratch for a few games last year too
which always makes me wonder about readiness or attitude or both.
Keep the faith!
I think Wootton is more of a commodity because he can play DE in the 4-3 or 3-4.
Other teams badly need a good 3-4 rusher, and with Jarvis Green walking out the front door, the Patriots may not have the luxury of waiting to draft Wootton.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 14, 2010 10:51 PM EDT reply actions
I'd rather us get Odrick then Wootton...
…but yeah, I guess you’re right about the waiting. Who else is there after those two?
by Richard Hill on Mar 14, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Gilyard
It could be worse. I’ve seen a couple of mocks have us pick Dez Bryant in the first round. Talk about outrageous. And reaching, too.
The 2010 New York Mets: Maybe it's the Phillies' turn to have 95% of its roster on the DL
The 2009 New England Patriots: At least we got our division title back
The 2009-10 New Jersey Devils: Allergic to second periods
Who's more of a reach?
Tebow at 22nd overall or Dez Bryant at 22nd overall? I’ve seen both in mock drafts.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 15, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Tebow
Ive seen Dez Bryant as high as 11th/12th in some Mocks and barring his suspension he was basically a lock for a top 10 pick. In the most recent Mocks I havent seen Tebow projected to go in either of the first 2 rounds.
While I would rather have Tebow on our team I would be much more content on spending our first rounder on Dez Bryant.
Agreed.
If Bryant drops to 22nd, I would at least consider taking him.
I’m expecting Tebow to be there at the 22nd pick…of the 3rd round.
by Richard Hill on Mar 15, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Norwood
Is it just me or is there a lot of buzz on Norwood all of the sudden. I feel his stock has sky-rocketed in the past couple weeks.
I WANT HIM!!!!! He is discplined and can contribute immediately.
That's not necessarily a good thing, though...
Vernon Gholston’s stock rose astronomically after the workouts and Combine, yet he’s been a bust in the NFL – a dedicated pass-rusher who hasn’t yet registered a sack. OLBs are notoriously difficult to project (see: Elvis Dumervil) and doing it solely on Combine performances is pretty much the worst way to scout a guy in that position. In saying that, if he’s got the goods in college stats and game-tape, he could well be very good (again, see Dumervil).
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 15, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, the Jets do have a reputation for making some of the worst draft selections. Ever.
The Raiders are doing all they can to catch up…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 15, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think his stock has risen...
…as much as a few people, myself included, have taken a liking to his skill set and have continuously pushed the notion forward of drafting him.
by Richard Hill on Mar 15, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
This being said
Will BB use a first round pick on a Pass Rushing OLB because this seems to be the consensus. Like you say Comedic, they are so difficult to project and to my knowledge he’s never used a first rounder on one.
The more I think about it I see us going another route round 1 then going OLB/DE on conescutive picks in the 2nd round.
We really won’t know till the draft plays out because we may have an opportunity to snag someone we didn’t believe would be available.
It’s really tough to put a range on these plauyers as well I’ve seen Kindle projected anywhere from top 12 all the way to mid 2nd round.
There are a lot of question marks this year too. Will we switch to a 4-3? Will Welker recover? Will our DBs be better?
All this being considered and assuming we stick to the 3-4 I wouldn’t be shocked if we drafted a RB/WR/DB with our first round pick IF the right guy slips to us.
What if McClain slips and we can pair him in the middle with Mayo for 5-6 years.
What if Spiller slips, he’s hands down the most explosive offensive threat in the draft.
And if we do take this DE/OLB I feel Odrick is the safer pick. Plus he’s versatile as he’s naturally a DT if we do go 4-3.
Any thoughts?
You're right, he's never taken a first-round OLB.
In fact, the highest OLB that Belichick has ever taken while he’s been at the Pats is still on the roster. His name is Shawn Crable, and he’s never played a snap in anger. The next highest OLB after that was 6th rounder, 170th overall called Rodgers from 2007 that didn’t make it through training camp. So I’m not sensing a huge urge to go after an OLB in the first…
In comparison, DE screams out “top option” to me for that first rounder, because Hoodie’s done it time and time again and addressed the D-line with his firsts. Wilfork, Warren, Seymour. And if you look at top 65 picks overall, you throw in Brace and Marquise Hill, too. D-line, and in particular that RDE, seems that natural place to use that first.
I’m very high on Odrick given the likelihood that he’ll fit in quite nicely at RE and could even start straight away – he’s a big unit, he’s got good acceleration and motor in a confined space, and he can spell Wilfork at NT if necessary (versatility is another Hoodie favourite). He reminds me a lot of a Richard Seymour, and that’s a very good thing.
Kindle’s another matter. The scouting reports I’ve seen say he’s a one-trick pony – he’s a biggish, quickish unit, sure, but he’s inflexible, uncreative, and can ‘only’ run around the outside for sacks. There’s no Vrabel-like delay and bull-rush, there’s no McGinest-like jag-in-and-penetrate. He’s just a run-around-the-outside, and that doesn’t suggest he’s multi-purpose enough to be a Pats-style OLB. In fact, he sounds a little like a smaller, slower, weaker Vernon Gholston, and that’s definitely something I don’t want to replicate in a 3-4 defence. I bet the Jets would love their first-round pick back.
As for whether the Pats go 4-3, I don’t see it as likely. I wrote a piece about why here. Overall, the D-backs will automatically be improved by a better pass-rush; give a QB enough time and he’ll even pick on Darrelle Revis or Nnamdi Asomugha. The Pats always seem one or two linebackers or D-linemen away from looking like a 2004-2005 D again, so I’d keep the status quo and try to add those linebackers/D-linemen.
As for a RB/WR/DB with the first round, it’s always possible. If one dropped that low, however, and it’s not a guy the Pats were specifically targeting in a position of utter need, I’d suggest it’s more likely that they’ll pick on whoever really is desperate for that guy and bleed them of draft picks and still get who they wanted with that first rounder – say, an Odrick or a Graham or a Iupati or even Tate. I still think that they need a strong, Superbowl-winning D-line more than they need a (admittedly very good) WR or HB to add to the respective corps, but it could always happen that they pull the trigger on a Spiller or a Golden Tate. Especially if they could get a team like San Diego to cough up a second or third rounder as well to get that HB they so desperately want, alongside picking up a guy like Odrick.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 16, 2010 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions

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