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Pats Prognostication: Wide Receivers


You know the drill by now (hopefully) - guessing where Belichick's going to jump with his roster arrangements for the upcoming 2010 season, based on the current roster, Belichick's recent history with draft picks, free agency,  trades, who/what/why players are available now, and which way the wind is blowing at the time of writing. This time: Wide Receivers.

This one's based on a lot of supposition - it's hard to guess what way the Pats will jump when the world at large doesn't know the status of half of the current Pats WR lineup. There are question marks over the health of Wes Welker (is he out for the season? PUP-list bound? Couple of weeks on the pine? Starting from day 1?); Brandon Tate (How good is he? Is he healthy? Where can he contribute?); and Randy Moss (How hurt was he last year? Is he washed up like some commentators say? Is his head still in it?)

Still! I shall do my best, so to dive in, jump over the proverbial...

Star-divide

A lot of this (like my TE discussion last week) goes back to the 2006-2007 changeover from a Weiss-ish system to an evolved McDaniels plan - the shift from a passing attack of big, downfield blocking quick TEs and no-name WRs, to blocking TEs giving Brady time to find the Moss-Welker pair (or guys like Stallworth, Gaffney and Edelman if he couldn't). In other words, it went from a spread-it-around passing offence where no receiver really had a chance of racking up 1000 yards to a passing scheme where Randy and Wes were guaranteed 1000+ yards a season, but not even the TEs were guaranteed of touching the football on a game-by-game basis.

Taking that 2007 offence as a sort of benchmark for the new-style Pats passing game, then, how have the WR ranks been constructed?

Moss and Welker were both 2007 tradees - Welker for a 2nd- and 7th round draft choices, Moss for a 4th. Reche Caldwell (or "the bug-eyed idiot", as one regular contributor calls him; you know who you are) was a carryover from 2006, where he was taken as a late free agent; Caldwell was cut just before the season opener. Jabbar Gaffney was another 2006 carryover, picked up from free agency in October(!) and became a solid #2 and #3 option for Brady over the 2006-2008 period. Donte Stallworth was an early free agent pickup - March 2007 - and became a good deep threat on an incentive-laden contract. Kelley Washington was the other notable pickup for the 2007 season, also signed in March. So from the WRs who were going into training camp in 2007, two were tradees, two were from early free-agency, and two were from post-draft free agency. The tradees were both successful, one of the early free agency guys was genuinely successful, and one of the post-free agency guys was more than useful.

Compare that to the last season (and thus, the starting WR cadre of 2010). You had Moss and Welker, of course, and they were supplimented with early free agent signing Joey Galloway (signed in March) and tradee Greg Lewis (purchased with a 5th rounder in March). They drafted Brandon Tate in the third-round (albeit with a carry-over injury) and ex-college QB Julian Edelman in the 7th round. To round out the roster, the Pats had part-time WR Matthew Slater, part-time WR Sam Aiken, part-time WR Isaiah Stanback in the lower slots. Notice a trend? Besides Galloway and Lewis, it was a bunch of part-timers, injury risks and QB conversions. And unsurprisingly, when both Lewis and Galloway washed out, the remaining guys played like a bunch of part-timers, injury risks and QB conversions.

What went wrong? I personally think Hoodie pulled the trigger on cutting Greg Lewis too early; Galloway should've been first to go. Once he'd shed the veteran WRs, Belichick was stuck - he had to make do with a bunch of part-timers and rookies not entirely suited to starting straight away. It was exacerbated when there were injuries in the LB corps and trenches, because he had to bring in Seau and a special teamer to fill out the roster, meaning WR was neglected.

So what does that mean for 2010? A lot depends on the health of the WR corps. Welker may or may not be injured, but Edelman can fill that role in the short-term. Moss ought to be close enough to Randy Moss to be useful. Tate is an unknown quantity - he showed flashes of talent in his rookie season and has the pedigree to suggest he'll be useful. So that's three, and maybe four slots filled. Aiken is better as a special teamer, as is Slater. Stanback will probably make the team as a backup QB and backup WR, but everyone is probably happier if he doesn't actually have to play. David Patten is around, but seems unlikely to be anything more than veteran backup or a role player at best. In other words, I see two, maybe three slots for WR additions in the 2010 offseason. Add in the fact that the main KR/PR guys are coming off injuries (Welker, Tate), and there's probably a need for at least one and maybe two of those WR additions to also be special teams returners.

Where are the Pats getting these two, maybe three WRs from? Given the history, probably a mix of the draft and post-draft roster cutdown guys. The cutdown guys are impossible to predict: teams draft a brand-spanking new WR they didn't quite expect to fall to them, and realise they suddenly have an overpaid veteran who won't be getting the reps they thought he would be. They cut the vet, who's suddenly available for teams like the Pats to steal (mwahaha). It's how they got guys like Gaffney, so they're not all bad, right?

As for the draft, the Pats have traditionally shied away from using high round picks on WRs. The guys they've taken in the top 3 rounds are all multipurpose threats, which makes them somewhat proof against busts - Deion Branch could return punts and kicks, too; Bethel Johnson was a stud return-man who never found a spot as a WR proper; Chad Jackson had all the physicals you'd hope for, and proven KR/PR skills, so he earned a chance (to blow it due to lack-of-hands and inability to run routes); Brandon Tate is a WR who is also a great returner. In other words, having value above and beyond sheer WR ability is the way to earn a Pats pick.

Bearing that in mind, the guys who strike me as potential Pats players (think: good route running, great hands, intelligence and versatility over sheer size or physical ability) are, as per round:

  • Golden Tate, likely first rounder - proven route running and good hands in a Pro-style route-tree system, would likely fit in pretty well in the Pats offence. Problem being is that alone worth a first-rounder, when there are lower-down guys who may be able to do the same
  • Damian Williams, late 1st-early 2nd - he's of useful size (6'1, 190lbs), and known as an elite route-runner with very good hands. That all sounds rather Jabar Gaffney-ish, which is ideal as that missing #3 WR.
  • Dexter McCluster, late 1st-early 2nd - McCluster's an intriguing prospect; he's a little like Reggie Bush or Percy Harvin in that he's a WR/HB/PR/KR-capable guy. In other words, he seethes value, because he's able to contribute in all offensive facets of the game. The Pats were supposedly in the hunt for Harvin, and this guy is potentially Harvin Mk. II. Also bear in mind that the Pats are short on returners - Welker and Tate are both coming off injuries. Whether McCluster can run the Pats route-tree is debatable, but he definitely provides value irrespective of how quickly he picks up the offence. He might also "save" a draft pick by playing part-time at HB, which is always a consideration.
  • Jacoby Ford, 4th round - a livewire with a 4.28 40 time, albeit a smaller guy at 5/9 and 186lbs. Debatable route-running might be a knock, but he'll definitely contribute in special teams at the very least.
  • Andre Roberts, 4th round - at 5'11" and 195 pounds, he's smallish, but is known for running great routes and having great hands - rather Deion Branch-like. Would likely produce as a low-round option at #3WR.
  • Jordan Shipley, 5th round. He's 5'11" and 193 lbs, and is a proven kick return threat. He 'only' ran a 4.57 40, so that might drop him down a little, but he was being batted around as a potential sleeper before the Combine. Considering the Pats gave up a 5th rounder for Greg Lewis, would Shipley be worth a punt? Perhaps.
  • 6-7th rounders. Those throwaway picks that Belichick often uses on project players on a "what if" basis. Unlikely to make the team, but if they do, they could surprise. Guys down this low that catch the eye include 6'5", 210lb prospect Stephen Williams, who ran a 4.48 40. Can't say much for route-running or hands, but if he can magically find abilities there, he's got size and speed to die for. The second guy to look out for is Robert Wallce, who's a 6'4", 223lb behemoth who can also run the 40 in a handy 4.41 time. Again, dubious hands and route-running, but it's a 7th rounder; so what?

So there's a slightly-longer-than-anticipated breakdown of the options. My thoughts? I think the Pats will go pretty heavy D in the first two, maybe three picks, although if a multi-purpose guy like McCluster is available, he might be worth it. Damien Williams and Golden Tate are options for a second-round pick, too, but it's debatable whether the payoff is there considering the depth in the draft.

I'm personally envisioning a hefty free agent tryout of two or three guys (GLew version 2!), alongside perhaps a second-round rookie (or more likely, a 4th round rookie) and a 6th/7th round guy. Make them battle it out in training camp, and cut the chaff.

Thoughts? Ideas? Disagreements?

     

Poll
Any rookies/draft pick combinations you're particularly hoping for?
Use the first-round pick on WR Golden Tate
28 votes
Use a second-rounder on WR Damian Williams
50 votes
Use a second-rounder on HB/WR/PR/KR Dexter McCluster
55 votes
Use a fourth-rounder on WR/KR Jacoby Ford
14 votes
Use a fourth-rounder on WR Andre Roberts
9 votes
Use a fifth-rounder on WR/KR Jordan Shipley
32 votes
Use a low-rounder on WR Stephen Williams
1 votes
Use a low-rounder on WR Roberto Wallace
5 votes
Rely entirely on post-draft roster cutdown WRs
4 votes
WRs? Psh. Give me some other positions; who needs WRs?
8 votes

206 votes | Poll has closed

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Curse you, secret Patriots cone of silence

It’s hard to predict what the Pats will do when you have no idea on the status of Welker, Moss, Tate and Edelman’s broken forearm. They could all be IR-bound, and I wouldn’t know. Sigh.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Mar 28, 2010 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

ANDRE ROBERTS!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An5rP_BiEdg

This guy is amazing! If there is only one thing he needs to work on, is running more routes, but other than that, this guy is amazing. Sure fire hands, great speed, and he can run routes.

by patriotguy2 on Mar 28, 2010 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I could get behind that

I really hope we don’t draft a WR in the first two rounds.

Oh, if a man tried to take his time on earth, and prove before he died
What one man's life could be worth--oh, I wonder what would happen to this world.

by LegendaryTadpole on Mar 28, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one benefit of McCluster that I can see is the versatility

He strikes me as a little Percy Harvin- or Reggie Bush-like – he can contribute in the passing game, run game, and kick and punt returns. He definitely provides some value, although his actual skills as a WR are debatable. Moreover, if you took him with a second-rounder, you get a little bit of value at WR and a little bit of value at HB, so you might ‘save’ a pick that you would otherwise have used on the second position. If someone really made a case for drafting both a HB and a WR in the second round, I’d suggest they take McCluster instead, as a little-bit-of-both guy.

I’m not sold on his route-running or catching, which would otherwise make me dismiss him entirely as a WR candidate, if it weren’t for his ability to fill in at HB, KR and PR as well. He’s sort of a Bethel Johnson-lite, but with the ability to be a scat-back, too. Not saying he’s definitely worth a 2nd rounder, but he’s got a point of difference that’s interesting.

I personally like the look of some of the late-round big-bodied guys; remember, Brady earned his bread and butter throwing to Givens and Patten, and there seem to be a few guys down the draft who fit that mould.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Mar 29, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

He just doesn't sound like he's worth a second-rounder to me

Especially with all of our other needs.

Oh, if a man tried to take his time on earth, and prove before he died
What one man's life could be worth--oh, I wonder what would happen to this world.

by LegendaryTadpole on Mar 29, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Granted, I'd rather have a pass-rush

but people are making impassioned pleas for a second-round HB and/or WR, and McCluster’s a bit of both. Can’t hurt to scope the guy out, especially with an obvious need at KR/PR (Welker, Edelman and Tate all coming off injuries, Faulk being a million years old).

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Mar 29, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeez, is he that old already?

And to think some people said his career was over at 700,000.

Oh, if a man tried to take his time on earth, and prove before he died
What one man's life could be worth--oh, I wonder what would happen to this world.

by LegendaryTadpole on Mar 29, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pats need aditional playmakers

Given the multiple picks and the depth of talent at WR in this draft it would be criminal for the Pats to come away ‘empty handed’. I think it is time for the Pats to go against traditional draft strategy of taking WR talent early in a draft. Benn, Gilyard, LaFell and McCluster who would scare the the hell out of me if he put on a Pats uniform are all players that should be targeted IMO. I don’t trust USC WR’s and I’m not convinced Tate is an impact player at the NFL level. Tates 40 time is fine but he didn’t look paticularly athletic at the underwear olympics (combine) doing position drills (his movement skills are average).

McCluster makes a lot of sense.
1. He played in the SEC against elite talent and produced.
2. He plays bigger than his listed size.
3. He has a high football IQ……being able to move around the formation.
4. He would provide insurance for Welker.

The pro-style offense at Ole Miss helps McCluster transition to the NFL faster. The other player that fascinates and would help the Pats is Benn. 4.3-4.4 speed, outstanding size and physicality. Benn may be the toughest WR in this draft to bring down once he has the football in his hands. Negatives are unlike McCluster, Benn did not play in a pro-style offense and he will body catch some balls. More size with playmaking ability inside (at the slot) is needed for the shot-gun spread to regain it’s form in NE.

by Ravens One on Mar 29, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, you want to do the Ravens for our mock draft Apr 15th?

My life has been a trivial pursuit. Trivia: where three roads meet.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 29, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Count me in. I sent some mail to the PatsPulpit Slot.

by Ravens One on Mar 29, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Count me in. I sent some mail to the PatsPulpit Slot.

by Ravens One on Mar 29, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Information on the Draft is

here. I’m not running it. R_Adragna is. Just stop by periodically and he’ll keep you informed.

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The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 29, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at the Pulpit

And saw the information. Thanks Slot. I’m looking forward to the mock.

by Ravens One on Mar 29, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was at the Combine still carrying his injury

So his Combine performance doesn’t faze me too much; he was running hurt and still in the process of recuperating. The fact he actually put up a reasonable 40 time with zero preparation or conditioning could potentially be seen as a positive thing, not a negative one.

Still, the jury is still out on Tate. It’s obviously not all about speed or agility, or Galloway wouldn’t have tanked so badly last year.

I looked at Benn, but he worried me as potentially being the second-coming of the Pats 2006 draft bust Chad Jackson. Big-bodied WR, check. Quick? Check. Questionable route-running from a non-Pro Style college offence? Check. Debatable catching technique? Check.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Mar 29, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love communicating with and reading the PatsPulpit

Reminds me a lot of MHR. High football discussions. About Benn…… that’s enough (your post) to make me re-think my position on Benn now or at least not like him as much. I still think he has high upside and could be the third best WR in this draft behind Bryant and Thomas or not……. as you said.

by Ravens One on Mar 29, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll probably work well enough within the right kind of system...

A team that relies on his physical gifts – size, speed – without taxing his route-running issues too badly will get production out of him. A team that’s all about route-running and precise timing will struggle.

It’s a bit like the Joey Galloway flunk in NE; Galloway was fantastic at one type of passing offence – “you run deep and I throw” scheme – but put him in a NE-style route-tree, timing-dependant passing scheme and he fell to pieces.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Mar 30, 2010 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remeber the beginning of the end for Joey in NE

The redzone play where Brady threw a slant at Galloway and Galloway saw the safety coming and alligator armed the pass. The camera shot of Brady on the sideline was not pretty and Galloway seemed uncomfortable…….hell I was uncomfortable watching it. Galloway was de-activated immediately and the rest is history.

by Ravens One on Mar 30, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guys from New England colleges

There are 3 guys playing in New England worth considering

Marcus Easley, UConn, 6ft3, 210lbs, 4.46
a hard working former walk on, who had 48rec for 893yds and 8TDs as a senior

Bobby Sewall, Brown, 6ft1, 197lbs, 4.41
Formerly a RB had 69recs for 948yds and 8TDs as a junior

Landis Williams, Maine, 5ft10, 175lbs, 4.52
Had 71recs for almost 800yds and 9TDs

Considering we have 5 final rounds picks including 3 compensatory selections, Sewall and Williams could be of interest.

I suspect Easley will be off the boards in Round 6

by Kernowboy on Mar 29, 2010 3:09 AM EDT reply actions  

And if they're not drafted, the Pats regularly take UFA WRs to work out in training camp...

Interesting list, especially that Sewall guy – decent size for a HB/WR tweener, wonder if he could fit the Percy Harvin mould. The Pats were supposedly really high on Harvin, and ‘apparently’ the reason they traded out of the first-round last year was because he wasn’t available any more.

Know if any of them can return punts/kicks? I have a feeling that might be a deal-maker, particularly because Welker, Tate and Edelman are all coming off injuries and Faulk’s rather elderly now – they definitely need to bulk out the Return Specialist stocks. A low-round WR might not make the team, but a low-round WR who is also a RS might well get through training camp.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Mar 29, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Patriots also have an eye out for those players not invited to the Combine

The possibilities are endless. I’m trying not to fall in lust with any player in particular (with the obvious exception of Rolando McClain) because players like Sebastian Vollmer weren’t even on my radar last year and I’m head over heels for the guy now.

Vollmer wasn’t even in the position category I was pining for either in 2009 (pass rusher) but it would be hard for anyone to argue against him after his stellar rookie season.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Mar 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

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