Smart move Polian. Throw your players under the bus
by MaPatsFan on Mar 3, 2010 12:54 PM EST
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PrintSome may call Colts President Bill Polian a master of team structuring and player acquisition. It's hard to argue that given the success Indy has had over the years. Some may call Bill Polian outspoken. On his weekly radio show, he's not afraid to tell it like it is, with little regard for filtering his comments.
I simply call Bill Polian a putz.
The man's a highly placed FO guy in a winning franchise and he hasn't learned the golden rule: praise in public, punish in private. Center Jeff Saturday is livid and he has every right to be. While my "fan hate" is applied to Jeff and all his teammates, I still have a lot of respect for the man and what he's accomplished; that won't change simply because he doesn't wear my favorite laundry.
Post Super Bowl loss, Bill Polian firmly ensconced his star of fame on Putz Blvd. when he threw his offensive line under the bus:
Polian: "The offensive line, by our standards, did not have a good game. They were outplayed by the Saints' defensive line, I thought, pretty decisively."
Head to the 49-second mark here to hear Saturday’s review of Polian’s post-Super Bowl comments indicating the offensive line and special teams were the root causes of New Orleans' Super Bowl XLIV upset of the Colts.
"Hopefully he’ll go back and watch the film and tell us what he wants us to do better or that will come through [Jim] Caldwell," Saturday said.
Billy boy violated that cardinal rule mentioned above and to elaborate a bit, "Don't air your differences out in the media. Don't let anyone in the organization find something out via that mechanism. Have some respect for them and tell them to their face."
Contrary to what Polian says, the Colts were outplayed, outcoached, and out everything-ed during that game. Sean Payton and his staff totally out manuevered the Colts. It's typical of the loser to say, "they didn't win the game so much as we lost it." Bullcrap. Man up and get some sack. Hoodie did when the Saints hammered our Patriots:
"(The Saints) do what they do," he said. "They were the better team; that was obvious. I talked about it all week; they're a very good football team. There's a reason they're 10-0, now 11-0. Tonight they were better coached, they played better. That's really all there was to it. They just did everything better than we did."
Yup, not a good way to endear yourself to your players, airing out your dirty laundry in the media. Welcome to Putzville, Bill. Here's your scepter and a plastic crown from Walmart. Big surprise, it seems to fit pretty well.
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If Polian was talking about the seven man pressure that resulted in the pick, that wasn't the O-line.
They kept the QB safe albeit hurried. Peyton left the field with a clean uniform (except for getting dumped in the dirt trying to tackle Sharper). That was the O-line. Play calling and execution, well that’s another matter.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 3, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions
This is no different then Peyton's "We had some problems with protection" Comments
Seems birds, or in this case Colts, of a feather do flock together.
Stay classy Indy.
You're so right. The situations are completely analogous, because there
were absolutely no protection issues in the Pitt game and he wasn’t asked point blank about it and brought it up completely out of nowhere just like Mr. Polian.
What are you talking about?
There were absolutely no protection issues in the 2005 Steelers game? yah 5 sacks in a PLAYOFF game is not a big deal right?
Stay informed NE.
by Hitstick Killer on Mar 4, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Uhh...
Stay informed NE.
diagenesis is actually an Indy fan.
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Heh heh
I noticed that too, but thought I’d let the guy figure it out for himself. You know how he likes to be informed and all.
Keep the faith!
Yah wow
Didn’t sense the sarcasm….FAIL on my end lol
by Hitstick Killer on Mar 4, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
It's funny to me because I've jumped in without looking first and done the same thing
Keep the faith!
Still looking back
I suppose it wouldn’t have been bad had I simply replied to JonnyNYC, but instead I jumped on the more “idiotic” of the two posts
by Hitstick Killer on Mar 4, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
After Brady got smacked around in the 2007 Superbowl...
5 sacks, a bunch more hits, some pretty awful looking O-line play in general and pass-protection in particular, neither Brady, Belichick or Kraft went out and ‘blamed’ the O-line. In fact, they didn’t blame anyone – they gave credit to the Giants.
But it would be blasphemy to suggest that Brady, Belichick, Kraft or the Patriots organisation aren’t class-less losers. Saying the right things after the game doesn’t count if the coach stomps into the changing room without shaking hands. Oh wait. Manning did that too. Ruh roh.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 4, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
some/most colts fans
live in glass houses
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And don't forget...
Hoodie did indeed shake hands – and give hugs – to Coach Coughlin after that SB.
Keep the faith!
0 sacks given up
O Liine barely gave up qb hits…..this moron is a whining loser
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The fact that it's true is immaterial
The Saints’ defensive line did outplay the Colts’ offensive line. Similarly, the Saints’ offensive line outplayed the Colts’ defensive line; their receivers outplayed the Colts’ defensive backs; their special teams outplayed the Colts’ special teams; their secondary outplayed the Colts’ receivers and Peyton Manning — and while it took great execution to make that pick, the offensive blame for that play is mostly on Manning. And let’s not forget Sean Payton completely outcoached Jim Caldwell.
In short, the Saints outplayed the Colts in every aspect of the game. That is why the Colts lost — it’s not that the offensive line blew it, but rather that the entire team lost the game. And that includes Polian.
So it doesn’t really matter that it’s true that the Colts’ offensive line was outplayed. The entire team was outplayed, and if I were an offensive lineman with the Colts, I’d be pissed off at Polian too. And frankly, I have to wonder if that would have happened had the organization — by which I mean Caldwell, though I’d bet Polian had something to do with it too — decided to tank it the last two games of the regular season. They were a special team up until then in part because they knew they had to play everyone hard, but they lost that with the sheer arrogance of “we’ll be proved right when we win the Super Bowl.”
by RSNexile on Mar 3, 2010 4:25 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Many things wrong with this
Overall I will not disagree with you that the Saints outplayed the Colts in the Superbowl and deserved to win. But to say that the Colts were outplayed in every aspect of the game is ridiculous.
The Saints’ defensive line did outplay the Colts’ offensive line
1.)The Colts O-line did not allow a sack, Peyton got rushed/hit like 3 times in the entire game, the colts also rushed for over 5 yards a carry. How did the Saints D-line outplay the Colts O-line, especially considering what the Saints did to the Vikings pass protection.
the Saints’ offensive line outplayed the Colts’ defensive line
2.)Dwight Freeney registered the lone sack of the game and the saints averaged 2.8 yds per rush on 18 rush attempts, The colts averaged 5.2 yds per rush on 19 attempts.
their secondary outplayed the Colts’ receivers
3.)another statement you made that has nothing to back it up, the colts receivers had a great day, Pierre made a few costly drops but also made the Saints secondary look like a bunch of fools on his touchdown, except for the game ending INT by Porter over Wayne, how were they outplayed by the secondary?
4.)The Colts out gained the Saints by 100 yds and were much more efficient on third down(Colts 6/13 – 46%—-Saints 3/9 – 33%)
Again there is no doubt the Colts were outplayed, especially in the second and fourth quarters, and deserved to lose.
But how about you think about what you write instead of just blabbering some hate on your rivals
by Hitstick Killer on Mar 4, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Rhetoric versus statements of fact...
He was obviously trying to make a point – that the Saints outplayed the Colts – rather than offering a unit-by-unit breakdown and analysis. You’re agreeing to his overall statement – the Saints outplayed the Colts and that it wasn’t ‘just’ the O-line’s fault – while attacking his generic statements.
It’s not just “blabbering some hate on the rivals” when it’s just a slightly inaccurate representation of what happened – the Saints outplayed the Colts. And that Polian was dead wrong when he said it was the O-line’s fault.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
RSNexile was specific of units that outplayed others
The Saints’ defensive line did outplay the Colts’ offensive line. Similarly, the Saints’ offensive line outplayed the Colts’ defensive line, their secondary outplayed the Colts’ receivers and Peyton
That’s what I argued, did you not read what I wrote at all? I didn’t say he was wrong about anything, just that I don’t agree with certain statements he made, which is WHY THEY ARE QUOTED
your post is completely pointless because it simply repeats what I said except you turn his words into “generic statements” and “slightly inaccurate representation of what happened”
italics were used to emphasis certain points he made, including the first line of his post, showing he was trying to make a point that the O-line of the colts did get outplayed by the D-line of the Saints
The Saints’ defensive line did outplay the Colts’ offensive line.
by Hitstick Killer on Mar 4, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Settle down
They don’t have to annihilate Manning to outplay the Colts O-line. Look at Porter’s pick-6 – the Colts O-line was bamboozled by the pass-rush, Manning panicked, Wayne run a sloppy route and didn’t cut in enough, and Porter jumped the route. It wasn’t ‘good’ play by the O-line – good play would’ve been holding the pass-rushers at bay and giving Manning time. It wasn’t ‘good’ play by Manning – he never looked off the receiver, but locked in and never saw Porter. It wasn’t good play by Wayne – he telegraphed the route and then ran it poorly, letting Porter jump it. It wasn’t good play by any of the Colts – and a lot of that was because of the pressure by the Saints D-line and Linebacker blitz. So on that crucial play, did the D-line outplay the Colts O-line? Probably – not one player on the field wearing a Colts uniform looked comfortable on that snap, so the D-line must have done something.
Irrespective of that, it was clear that that wasn’t the point he was putting across. You can jump and scream and point and say “OMIGOD HE LIKE SAID ONE POINT THAT ISN’T 100% RIGHT” but that’ll get you nowhere, especially when the main gist of his argument is correct – it wasn’t the Colts O-line that ‘cost’ them the game, despite Polian’s pleas to the contrary. It was the whole team. When you cough up a pick-6 in the big game and absolutely nobody on the field looks like they know what’s going on, that’s a failure by the team… the whole team was being outplayed. I have no issue with that.
In short, the Saints outplayed the Colts in every aspect of the game.
Agreed. They didn’t do it on every single play in every single situation in every single package, down and distance. They didn’t need to. On the only drive that mattered – the game-saving one – did they do it, and they won the game. The fact they changed defensive scheme three or four times in order to bamboozle the Colts O-line says enough – they let the Colts build up a rhythm against their pariah 4-3 and then nailed them in the fourth quarter with a hybrid 3-4/3-3-5 set. That’s brilliant. They sacrificed 5.2ypa on the ground to the Colts and a bunch of easy third-down conversions and yardage in order to let the Colts to get complacent… and then sucker-punched them in the last round. You might call that O-line dominance; I’d prefer to see it as brilliant coaching and very good execution of a game-plan.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 4, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
argee
lets see
ST-Amazing onside recovery….Saints
Def-held the Colts to 17 pts….7 in the 2nd half…Saints
Off- Came back from 10 down……Saints.
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I think it's even bigger than that
the whole team was being outplayed. I have no issue with that.
I think Sean Payton “managed” Indy. He used his team to put the Colts into tried-and-true situations that NO had studied and prepared for. I can almost hear Payton telling his coordinators, “Watch, on third down with his back against the wall, he’ll throw to Wayne on an inside route.” Like chess, there’s understanding technique and playing well and then there’s “when I put my queen here, my opponent will do this. Oh jeez, my knight just nailed him.” Sean Payton set that trap and waited…
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It wasn't like there weren't other options on the play either.
They wouldn’t have had to get put in check. They just didn’t see the trap and fell for it. Outplayed is right.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 5, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
So much for “if we execute every perfectly to the nth degree, it doesn’t matter if the opposition knows what we’re doing, we’ll still win”. They got suckered, badly.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
And that's where the pressure vs. sacks argument comes in
Sacks are great, don’t get me wrong, but pressure is the next best thing – especially with a quarterback like Manning who can get rid of the ball so quickly that sacks can’t be counted on with any consistency.
Sean Payton absolutely took away every outlet for the Colts’ offense except the one he really wanted them to bite on and applied enough pressure on Manning to make him get rid of the ball fast. The interception was ten times more valuable than the results of a sack would have been.
Keep the faith!
What a minute...this is new?
Polian is ALWAYS throwing someone under the bus, whether its the officials for not protecting Peyton or the DB who got a pick 6 of Peyton and didn’t get called for Pass Interference.
The Colts just let desperation dictate their moves, the Saints read Peyton like a book, and bam, PICK 6. The Colts lost, too, so Polian’s whining after the fact changes little to nothing…I hope.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 4, 2010 4:44 PM EST reply actions
Oh, but his Competition Committee is going to make it so that the Saints would not have been there in the first place.
They’ll win after the fact. Sort of.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 4, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
You're not going to be allowed to blitz in the Superbowl
Because it’s.. umm… unfair to Peyton Manning viewers… who expected Peyton Manning to win a pass-friendly exhibition match.
Actually, I wonder if he will complain about the leniency in playoffs – ie: D-backs mugging receivers. He’s already bitched about it once, but he might have another go – “why should refs be more lenient in the playoffs than in the regular season, blah blah”.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
I would argue that Peyton isn't the poster child for QB abuse.
Warner was getting hammered repeatedly IN THE HEAD and there wasn’t a call. Who put his concussion on the injury report?
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 4, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
He (or his wife) didn't take long to decide to retire this time.
Trainer: “Ok, Kurt, how many fingers am I holding up?”
Kurt: “Jello?”
Brenda: “He’s done.”
Kurt: “Sponge cake!”
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 4, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
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