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Tendered RBs to consider for the New England Patriots

Teams have been slapping players with tenders recently (not actually slapping, although that would be amusing to watch), and a couple of very interesting tender sheets have cropped up. The Titans have put a second-round tender on LenDale White; the Jets have put a second-round tender on Leon Washington, and the Ravens have put a first-round tender on Le'Ron McClain.

I've been not-so-secretly coveting those three backs as a potential game-changing solution to the obvious issues with the Pats running game. I'll break them down a little after the jump.

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LenDale White is a big back. He's big. He's also a goal-line beast; that makes him the polar opposite to Laurence Maroney, who's deadly between the 20s, moving the chains in the open field. I particularly like the idea of coupling them in a one-two punch - LenDale White earned his stripes in college being the thunder to Reggie Bush's lightning, and Maroney is looking more and more like Reggie Bush by the day. Apparently White is unhappy with the lack of touches he got in Tennessee last year - they were giving the ball to some Chris Johnson guy for some reason. Would he likely get more touches in a Pats-style RBBC than in the feature back Titans system? Yes, he would. Is he worth a 2nd rounder? Maybe - he's still a fairly young man. He was fairly happy as a goal-line specialist back a couple of seasons ago, he might well be happy to something similar in NE. Something to consider.

Le'Ron McClain is cut from the same cloth as White - he's another big man - all 260lbs of him. He's also fairly young, and has positional flexibility - he's run as a feature back before in a depleted Ravens running back corps, and he's also run as a full-time FB, clearing paths for useful, nippy RBs. He'd make an interesting counterpunch to Maroney - he can pave lanes for Laurence as a FB, and he can also take snaps as a very big, strong Halfback - say, for goal-line snaps. No more fumbles in the Red Zone, huzzah! In other words, he'd be a bigger, faster, stronger and more combative Sammy Morris, and he's a lot younger. And Morris is off-contract at the moment; the could do with a replacement/upgrade. Is McClain worth a first rounder? Maybe. Would the Ravens consider a trade for something less? Probably not, but they've got a few very good RBs in the roster already. Maybe they'd consider it. Maybe they want Adalius Thomas back.

The third guy is Leon Washington. He's a scatback and kick returner; he's basically Kevin Faulk on steroids. The Pats ran a LOT of shotgun - Faulk was on the field more than half the time, so he had the most snaps as a RB in the Pats system. Faulk, like Morris, is also old and off contract this year. Is it time for an upgrade? The Pats could use another kick/punt returner - Welker, Tate and Edelman were all hurt last year, and the returner stocks were a bit bare. It's also not clear how healthy those guys will be for the start of the 2010 season, meaning the Pats are perhaps without a clear option at kick returner. Leon Washington was hurt last season, so he's a risk... but then, so are the incumbent players. Worth a look for a second-rounder? It'd also be depriving the Jets of one of their genuine offensive weapons, so it'll make at least two games a season that much easier. Want to give up a second-rounder?

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I wouldn't mind LenDale White for a second

He’s not particularly old, he’d make a nice one-two with Maroney, he’d get enough touches to make him happy, and if you managed he and Maroney properly, they’d both keep healthy and productive for quite a few years – using him as a part-time back would mean he would survive into his 30s without breaking down. He’s also a decent pass-catcher. He’d be a Corey Dillon type, and Maroney worked really well with a Dillon tandem. White worked really well with a Bush tandem.

A second is fairly high, but if they were going to go RB with a second anyway… it’s worth considering.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 5, 2010 7:49 PM EST reply actions  

I like the idea of White alot.

Hows this idea? Start off with Faulk and LoMo and White for short yardage. Then late in the game, just use White, White, White to beat the defense up. You can do some two back sets for misdirection. Fake handoff to White who has been running over people and then screen out to LoMo for a touchdown.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 5, 2010 9:14 PM EST reply actions  

is he also a good blocker?

I like McClain better, but a 1st rounder just erases that possibility away.

by patriotguy on Mar 5, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, yeah - definitely

That’s what he’s particularly good at – he’s a big unit (6’1, 235lb), moves quickly, and is very combative after first contact. He’s a goal-line demon, but he’s also a very good burrower/wrestler/smasher type. Corey Dillon wasn’t a completely random comparison.

In college, he was the straight-ahead smasher, and Reggie Bush was the shifty around-the-outside guy. Even when teams saw him on the field and knew that meant he was running up the guts, he could still do it.

He was similar in 2008, when Chris Johnson was a rookie at the Titans – Johnson had a fair share of the between-the-20s running, and White was the Red Zone guy. End result – White got 15 TDs on the season, 773 yards total, and had a longest run of 80 yards. He’s at his best when paired with a smaller, agile, yardage-churning back – Reggie Bush, Chris Johnson. Laurence Maroney/Fred Taylor, too? Maybe.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 5, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

he can also play full back.

i expect thats what BB could use him for as well.

by patriotguy on Mar 5, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

he definitely seemed to lose a little of his power last year, and often seemed ineffective when he was in. I know Johnson had an incredible year, but I remember watching titans game and thinking that white was a power back without the size. He should keep the booze weight off still and hit the gym hard, and I think the second rounder is worth it. A first rounder for McClain is a bit much, but I’d rather him come over healthy than take a chance on someone with an injury like washington’s.

by amadeus on Mar 6, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree; White reported in a whole 30lbs lighter than in 2007

He’d cut out his drinking and wanted to be a lighter, all-signing, all-dancing feature back. Problem was, Chris Johnson was better at being that lighter, faster guy, and suddenly White was too small to be the very, very good fireplug Red Zone guy again.

He can pack on the beef – he was up to 250lbs in college – so once he’s not trying to out-Johnson Chris Johnson, he’ll be okay.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

We might as well trade our lowest 2nd rounder for him

We were already inclined to draft a RB, so we might as well get LenDale White, a proven running back who did really well two years ago before being overshadowed by Chris Johnson.

by Give Me on Mar 6, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

What a ridiculous post...

A “proven running back”? His best season he rushed for 1100 yards at paltry 3.7 yards per carry and 5 LOST FUMBLES.

You must work for the Patriots front office. God help us.

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

That's his best season?

That was the season where he was being run as a feature back. The Patriots don’t want a feature back – it’s RBBC, and that works.

What I’d project him as is what he’s good at – being a Red Zone guy. And he IS proven at being that – when he was paired with Chris Johnson in Johnson’s rookie year, 2008, White punched in 15 TDs and 773 yards. And when he was that Red Zone back? Only one fumble in the season, total.

Most people agree Maroney isn’t too bad in the open field – he can move the chains fairly well. What he isn’t good at doing is moving the pile, either on third down or in either Red Zone. White is good at that. White clearly isn’t a feature back – 3.7 average, 5 fumbles in a 1000 yard season, etc. But he does have clear talent at pile moving and being a Big Back in the Jerome Bettis mould.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That was his best season. I was responding to the post above.

I think the past few years has proven that RBBC has not worked very well. That’s what we’ve had for a while now, are you saying you’ve been impressed by RBBC? I’m not impressed at all.

I don’t support picking up White simply to move the pile. I’d rather invest that money in better O linemen or a Sam Gash-type fullback.

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh?

The Pats RBBC has worked very well. They’ve consistently been in the top 10 in rushing yardage, TDs, etc etc, and that’s with bit-part and second-hand RBs. More to the point, the Pats have evolved as a pass-first team; re: 2007 season. In other words, they don’t use the RBs to churn out the yardage; they’re there to be a counterpoint. Why waste a feature-back in a pass-first system?

More to the point, all the best teams are clearly using RBBC. The Colts split their (limited) RB carries between two guys – Brown and Addai. The Saints split their carries between three guys – Bush, Bell, Thomas. None of those guys are 1000 yard rushers; yet they’re Superbowl HBs. You don’t think RBBC is impressive? It’s Superbowl-winning.

Go back further. Who has won or made the Superbowl lately? Giants – RBBC; three guys. Saints – RBBC; three guys. Cardinals – RBBC; two guys plus a pass-catching RB.

Why so insistent on having one guy run for 1500 yards than three guys who can run for that? It’s not like it saves roster slots – you’re going to carry the same number of HBs whether you use them or not. You’d be investing all your talent and money in one guy rather than spreading it over three. That’s all well and good until your feature back breaks a leg; then your season is tanked. What happened to the Seahawks when Shaun Alexander’s legs fell off? The Rams? What about the Chiefs after their feature back broke down? Yeah. That.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Bravo.

That was an awesome explanation.

by patriotguy on Mar 7, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

All three are second-raters...

I’m not going to put as much time into this as you, but my point is clear… The Pats need a full-time “feature” back to establish a true running game for the 2010 season. The three names above have never been more than back-ups. There’s no evidence that any one of those guys would be any better than Sammy Morris looked when coming from the Dolphins. That’s NOT what the Pats need.

Blah, blah, “too be fair”, blah.

Jet’s picked up Cormartie. Bears got Peppers and Taylor! Teams around the league are arming themselves with talent. The Pats? Sign Wilfork. Good, but he was already franchised. And sign Banta-Cain. Oh joy. This team is in trouble.

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

More...

Ravens trade for Boldin
Rolle gets Giant deal
Dolphins sign Dansby

All in areas that the Pats desperately need help. Nothing. This team is in trouble.

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It's only the first week of March

no need to press the panic button already

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Mar 6, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh really?

If we don’t get a good start in March, when will we?? Now’s the time to pick up free agents, but all the good ones are being signed BY OTHER TEAMS!

We need:

A feature Running Back.

TWO quality wide outs.

A Tight End

A Right Guard

  And that’s just on the “vaunted” Patriots offense!! I don’t want to even go over the defense!

  Hmm how does 8-8 sound to you? Acceptable? That’s what the current team will do next year if all the above issues and more are not addressed quickly. Remember, we ended up 10-7 in 2009… Not too far from that 8 in the loss column.

  Maybe we should start asking the Saints fans for all those spare brown paper bags they no longer need?

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

we don't have a desperate need for anything!

Safety. I like Chung and Merriweather
Wide Reciever: Sure, we need help there. But there are many receivers still out there, so chill
Linebacker: Not really, we just need depth that will show in the draft

by Give Me on Mar 6, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you out of your mind?

You mean Merriweather, he of the many missed tackles in 2009 (and the misreading of the Rice run in the playoffs) and Chung who barely saw the field?? I think both have a future, but the future isn’t now.

We don’t just need help at Wide Receiver, we need TWO quality players. You can pray all you want but Welker is NOT going to be back for most of 2010, perhaps not at ALL.

Linebacker was so weak this year I think this is where you’re farthest from reality. LB corps overall is passable in the middle, but terrible on the outside and NO BENCH. That will not get us to the playoffs, a place we barely got to in 2009.

There IS desperate need on this team for it to go into the post season. Please review my 8-8 comment.

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

So Tate and Edelman don't count at all?

Remember, you’re after a third WR – someone to replace Jabbar Gaffney’s production. And you might want a fourth WR, say, a Donte Stallworth production guy. That’s only if you want to replicate the most impressive passing attack of all time, too – the 2007 Pats.

Stallworth got 697 yards and 3 TDs in 2007. Gaffney got 449 yards and 5 TDs in 2007. Remember, that was the best passing attack ever, so presumably that’s some of the best #3 receiver and #4 receiver stats of all time.

Julian Edelman, in his rookie year and sitting out 5 games due to injury, got 359 yards and 1 TD in the regular season. He also got another 60-odd yards and 2 TDs in the playoff game. He’ll only improve. Could he stack up another 200 yards and pair of TDs in 5 extra games in a season? I’d think so – he was on track for it it in the playoffs. So that’s Stallworth’s production covered.

Tate was touted as being a WR of first-round talent before his injury; he showed flashes of talent in an injury plagued 2009. You’re writing a first-round talent guy off already, even when he showed some skills in a rookie year that was injury plagued? He only has to get 450 yards and 5 TDs to replicate Gaffney – you’re saying a first-round talented kid can’t get 500 yards?

Panic panic panic panic. Let’s forget about all those draft picks; the Pats didn’t sign a 30+ year old receiver so now they’re going to tank. Oh noes.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't agree that all those needs can be filled through free agency

or that there’s anyone I really want the Patriots to give up a draft pick for in a trade to get. See what happens with the draft.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Mar 6, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

That's true...

You’re right, Marima. I wasn’t necessarily saying that we could acquire all that we need through free agency. I know for certain the money isn’t there. I was pointing out that top players in key areas were being snatched up by our competitors. We need to get in the acquisitions game, or do a better job playing it.

I AM tired of those who think we can solve all our problems with unproven rookies via the draft. How has that worked out over the last few years? Do I have to run through all the names? You know.

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes. You do.

The Pats have consisently made the playoffs. The only year they didn’t was when their All Pro Hall of Fame first-round ballot bound QB was injured, and even then they only missed out on playoffs due to the third tie-breaker. Did all those top free agent acquisitions last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, suddenly make so-so teams playoff contenders? No. Julius Peppers isn’t going to make the Bears a Superbowl-winning team; the Lions aren’t going to take out the big game because they snagged a WR.

In fact, the best teams don’t make big splashes in free agency. When’s the last time the Colts, the Pats or the Steelers bought the top free agent?

Or, more to the point, when’s the last time the Redskins made the playoffs? Heh.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You're talking about the past...

I’m talking about the future.

I never said it would be possible for free agency to solve all our problems. I said some top talent was getting gobbled up by our competitors… And that the Pats have SERIOUS needs.

You forget… There were some good player acquisitions which made up the Superbowl teams of the past. They weren’t all draftees. Cory Dillon ring a bell?

When was the last time the Redskins had a solid quarterback? The current Pats aren’t the Redskins, but they aren’t the early decade Pats either.

We concentrated so much on the players, should I now bring up the point that I think we need experienced O and D coordinators in order to win too?

Trouble.

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Corey Dillon was a trade - secound round draft pick (like LenDale White or Leon Washington would be)

Not a free agent. Heh. Thanks for proving that point, by the way.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pats don't need a feature back...

They re-signed Neal at RG, and have a very capable young buck in Connolly. They’ve also got Kazcur as a Guard-capable backup with starting Tackle experience.

They haven’t yet lost Watson; they cut Chris Baker, who now is suddenly one of the better free agent TEs around. In other words – the best free agent TEs aren’t good enough for the Pats. Why would you suddenly crow about signing free agent TEs?

They have Tate and Edelman, and can easily pick up a WR in the draft in what’s a very deep crop of big, quick wideouts.

But let’s push the panic button. Because that makes sense, before a draft where the Pats have a 1st and three 2nd round draft picks. Right.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

We disagree...

on just about every point you made above.

My thoughts are that your points are the more status quo thinking… And that thinking got us to 10-7 last year. I don’t want a repeat of that and I’m sure you don’t either.

A feature running back or solid two man tandem is what we need. The Pats have been hoping and praying that LoMo would be just that player! I think (maybe) we’ve got to start from scratch (with the exception of Faulk).

I hate to say it, but many pro analysts have said it for me. The Pat O-line right side is weak. You mention Neal and Kazcur. THAT’S THE RIGHT SIDE! You’re right about Connolly and I say possibly play Vollmer over there for another year (unless Light collapses). The other two can be backups if they restructure.

I say, the Baker cut was a mysterious move. It’s certainly not because the Pats are so deep here. Go with Watson? Fine. At a higher price and still questionable reliability.

God, you guys are still on this Brandon Tate train. lol He’s never gonna play full-time in the NFL. Face it. I have big hopes for Edelman too, but for now he has to be looked at as 3 or 4 receiver. So, yes, two new guys. Draft and FA.

Then again, how about let’s put all our hopes in the draft where top rookies are ALWAYS a big success in the NFL. Right?

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Vollmer's a RT; Connolly is a fairly good RG.

I don’t want Tate or Edelman to be #1 blockbusting receivers; healthy production will be okay. 500 yards from each isn’t unreasonable, and that would be right on track for a 2007-like season. That’s all a #3 and #4 need to do in the best passing attack of all time – even a little less than that from the #3 and #4 is still a very good production. You’re ruling that out automatically?

Further, you’re seriously going to say the Pats season is already tanked because they didn’t purchase the most expensive free agent WRs around? They’ve never done that. Who’d heard of Welker before he came to NE and carved up the league? And he wasn’t even a free agent, which is the real thing to note. I never said to “put all hopes in the draft”; that’s just silly. Signing overpriced free agents in a situation where they can charge pretty much anything isn’t the answer, either.

Further, you’re also forgetting trade – how the Pats got Moss and Welker in the first place. Remember that? Yeah. You don’t have to sign guys to ridiculous amounts of money in an uncapped free agent year when you can trade for bit-part guys to build a roster. Free agency is all about the players wanting cash – it’s an auction, and the player wins. Trading is all about mutual satisfaction of the teams; the player can’t leverage it.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay...

Welker was an acquisition. Every Pat fan knew who he was, for sure. I never said that we should hire a bunch of expensive FAs. I was saying we need quality and experienced talent to help in sorely needed areas of our team.

I don’t think the season is tanked, but with the current team I think we will have serious problems getting to the playoffs.

I’m hoping and praying for a good draft, a quality FA, and perhaps a couple smart trades.

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Quality and experienced talent doesn't mean getting drawn into signing ridiculously overpaid players

The Pats signed Gaffney in October – nowhere near the mad March rush for free agents. He was both experienced and of high quality – he also didn’t get picked up in the first days of a hectic free agency. There are always guys like that around, especially after the first and second roster cutbacks – older guys get cut for young bucks all the time, especially following the draft and training camps. Building a roster isn’t about rushing out with a wad of dollar bills and putting them in the pockets of any player who looks likely in March. You look around, see who’s available to draft, who is available for trade, see who is likely to get cut from other team’s rosters, make a few informed guesses about the direction other teams are to go, etc etc. If a team has a guy like Gaffney and then drafts 3 WRs in the first four rounds, you can assume someone’s getting cut and snag them at a fraction of the price. That’s what the smart franchises do.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Smart francises also...

go out an acquire top talent where and when they need it. Over the years Pats got Cory Dillon and Randy Moss. The Jets grabbed an aging and expensive Ty Law and the dude picked off 10 for them that year!

Good points though. I’ll still hope for the best. I’ve been a Pats fan since 1976. I’ve been through much worse. ;-)

Got to run… Good back and forth.

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Corey Dillon and Randy Moss were trades...

Moss was picked up concurrent with the draft – that’s a month or two away from now. Corey Dillon was also traded for, only days before the draft. That’s also, say, a month or two away.

In other words – the Pats got arguably their two greatest non-QB offensive players in and around the draft – not the first days of free agency.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

No. They don't.

Feature backs are boom-or-bust. Break one feature back’s leg, and at the expense and talent you have wrapped up in a genuine feature-back, your season’s toast. None of the successful teams have a feature back – the Colts have two first-rounders, the Saints have three very good RBs, the Cardinals had a pair of very able backs, the Steelers have two, the Pats had two or three, even the Vikings had a pair of feature-back capable guys.

Who does have a single, feature back system? The Titans. The 49ers. The Rams. The Bears. Those are great teams… cough.

More to the point, you’re going to have your entire season’s hopes riding on one pair of legs, one pair of arms, one head, one shoulders? One injury… season bust.

Pass.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah...

HEY, THAT’S A LOT LIKE the feature quarterback theory. Right? I mean, what stupid club would go into a season with only one quarterback on it’s roster with ANY experience in the NFL? No club would do that!! It would be… One injury and season bust.

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Except QBs don't get hit 400 times a season, HBs do

QBs aren’t paid to drop a shoulder and smash a LB; HBs are. QB’s aren’t paid to run into the teeth of 300lb linemen time after time, day after day, for 20+ weeks on end; guess what? HBs are. In a good season, a QB wouldn’t get hit at all – that’s the ideal situation. A HB is intended to make contact, break tackles, hit hard. That’s the difference.

There’s a reason why QBs are allowed to do a QB slide.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but...

RB are built to take the hits, QBs are not. But, if a top RB goes down you still have a chance, top QB goes down and season is over. Either way, I think this is a wash. It’s not smart to be shallow at either position.

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

QB's a special position, though - you don't sub them out if you can avoid it

Investing in an RBBC and using it wisely is a boon – you can mix and match running styles, keep players fresh, healthy and motivated. You don’t do that with QB – they don’t get tired because they don’t run around, your backup is never going to be as good as your starter (at least, if you have a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning), and when you’ve got a guy like that, you can legitimately assume they won’t get hurt. RBs don’t set records for consecutive starts – QBs do. Manning, Brady and Favre were all in the running for records, until Brady had a SS divebomb his knee.

RBBC assumes HBs get hurt. They do. RBBC caters for that. If you want a QB-by-committee, go ahead – the Browns have one. It happens to be awful, but yeah…

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not suggesting...

Eric Dickerson here. But, I have no interest in the people you mentioned above, nor do I support the status quo. I really don’t think this problem can be solved in a year. I hope RBBC will work next year, but, sorry, I’m not too optimistic.

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The best rushing teams have been RBBC

Who was top last year? Not the Rams with Steven Jackson, not the Vikings with Adrian Peterson, and not the Titans with Chris Johnson. It was the Jets, they of 32 year old journeyman free agent Thomas Jones, rookie third-round pick Shonn Green, and 4th round 2006 draft pick Leon Washington. That’s a RBBC. And you know why that RBBC was doubly successful? They coped with the injury to Leon Washington – the other two guys picked up the slack and carried more times than they otherwise would have. That’s the real benefit of the RBBC – production, but also inbuilt redundancy. One guy goes down, the rest of the battery picks up the slack.

Now, if Steven Jackson, Peterson or Johnson went down… game over. Nobody wants to be a maybe-if-sometimes backup to a feature back, so no good player will sit on the bench behind one of those guys. LenDale White’s skipping town after sitting behind Johnson; Chester Taylor is sick of sitting under Adrian Peterson. So not only do you have all your hopes resting on one pair of knees, but you can’t keep any decent backup you have because they want to get reps, even if that means leaving town.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't suggest...

that the Pats go with one running back on their roster. You’re taking my use of “feature back” to the extreme.

But, I believe the Pats could handle the loss of their main running back. As a back-up plan, you’d just run an offense like the one we’ve been using the last few years. ;-)

by SamTheBam on Mar 6, 2010 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

I don't mind the idea of adding talent to the RB corps - this post is one example of how to do it

But you seem to be operating on the principle that the Pats RB corps is fundamentally broken. It’s not. Bear this in mind. The RB who got the most snaps last year, at a whopping 60% of total offensive snaps, was Kevin Faulk. Not a feature back. Not a first-round draft choice. Not an Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson or Steven Jackson type. Humble Kevin Faulk.

Sure, you could add another RB to the rotation. They might run well. But when the Pats are a team designed to be in shotgun/passing formations over 50% of the time, it could be considered a waste, especially when there are always Sammy Morris or LaMont Jordan types floating around who can give solid production. You can give 25% of the snaps to a guy who’s a first-round stud and get, say, 700 yards. Or you could spend that first-rounder elsewhere and pick up a so-so free agent and get him to churn out 500 yards with the same snaps.

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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

All three would be to expensive for the return

Good information, but White is another “issue” in the backfield….there’s a reason he isn’t the feature back and used sparingly [other than Chris Johnson] he’ll be behinf Ringer this season…..“issue” to much head case not enough natural run case….we have enough head case stuff with Larry. Larry is a 20 to 20 guy. McClain would be exceptional in the backfield, but first round talent when we need DE/OLB/ILB help no way big strong power runners are available inexpensive FA or 4-7 round area. Washington??? don’t even go there, some talent? yes, but not even 2nd round talent with a fairly deep [non-damaged bunch of draft running backs to be had at later cheaper rounds] Remember how he was handled by the Patroits in the past in an uninjured state? Unfortunately, back-by-commitee world in the “heavy hit NFL” is the only way to survive in a potential 19 game season [Playoffs included]. Better to find a 3-4 yard pound the middle guy/young goal line strong hands guy to keep teams with strong defenses honest. Brady will need a realiable run game next year or his pass first season will be ended by the defenses of the recently updated AFC East every team is a beast this year and that doesn’t bode well for the conference season. Need to get very physical very fast or were looking 7-9 third or fourth place in division [were just a few injuries removed from there as we stand]
Good stuff, but better value out there.

by Blackbart on Mar 7, 2010 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

Granted; I was cherrypicking from only the Restricted Free Agent tender list

You’re probably right about White being an “issue” in terms of motivation and discipline, but by that same token, so were Corey Dillon and Randy Moss prior to their New England sojourn. If he had a strong coach (check), and a clear set of instructions about when and how he’s supposed to run, then he might turn (back) into a productive RB, especially if he’s tasked with the same type of running he was meant to do in college. He’s also got a personal stake in remaining a productive NFL running back and not a mere backup – he chose to declare as an underclassman for the draft because he needed the cash to care for his sick grandmother. He wasn’t prepared for the draft physically and slipped down to the second round because of it; he needs to be productive to remain in the NFL for money reasons and he won’t do that sitting behind Chris Johnson. Belichick’s done a lot with players who are desperate to prove a point – Dillon, Moss, Bruschi post-stroke, Vrabel post-Steelers, Tully Banta-Cain after being in California, etc. If anyone can squeeze out a great season or three from White, it’d be Belichick.

I also considered Washington not only for his Kevin Faulk-like scatback abilities, but also his kick and punt return skills. At the moment, the cupboard is a little bare – Edelman, Welker and Tate all suffered injuries last year, Butler wasn’t used a lot, and the #1 RB was also the main kick returner, not exactly ideal. Washington can pick up the return duties that used to be Kevin Faulks – Faulk hasn’t been used as a returner for a while.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Mar 7, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

maroney?

i would rather see somebody other than maroney next year regardless of the featured back v. rbbc debate. i simply haven’t been impressed w/the guy. this can be addressed in the draft. but it needs to be addressed. the front office has done a nice job piling up draft picks to address all the needs mentioned above. but they need to regain their touch on draft day.

by thaipatsfan on Mar 7, 2010 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

Maroney has the problem of being a RB on a pass-first team

He gets the same criticism as Joseph Addai in Indianapolis and Reggie Bush in New Orleans – they don’t put up feature back stats. But they don’t get the same opportunities to – they’re second-fiddle behind the passing attack, and are there to keep the defence honest. They don’t get the same opportunities as a Chris Johnson or Steven Jackson to get yardage, TDs, etc, so it’s not surprising when they don’t.

In fact, the rosters of the Colts and Pats look fairly similar if you break it down – good pass-protecting linemen (no Leonard Davis-style 330lbers), no strictly blocking TEs (zero in the Brandon Malemaneuna-style), no fullback worth mentioning, decent-but-unspectacular blocking WRs (in comparison with, say, Hines Ward). They’re built to pass the ball, not power-run it. Given that kind of team-building, it’s clear that Maroney isn’t intended to be ‘impressive’ – he’s there to be solid and keep a balance somewhat.

He’s perfectly capable of running for 5+ yards per carry if and when the opposition defence drops their safeties and linebackers into coverage, and that’s all you ask him for.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Mar 8, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

In saying that, though

I wouldn’t mind a compliment to Maroney in a bigger back/power back mode – someone to run it inside both twenties. I didn’t like seeing Sammy Morris try to run in short yardage from fullback and get stuffed several times… There’s a need for a short-yardage/Red Zone back.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Mar 8, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

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