Patriots make good moves, but are they stronger?
It's clear the Patriots have made some good moves over the past few days. Cleaning up some of their looming contract issues with key players was critical the health of the organization. But with the myriad of free agents floating around out there, did they miss out on some talent that could've put us ahead of the pack?
Signing Vince Wilfork was huge, absolutely huge. There is no question in my mind that this was THE BIGGEST issue for us to resolve. The Big Man got a BIG payday: $18 million signing bonus, $40 million over 5 years with $25 million guaranteed. He is now the highest paid NT in the business and it's well deserved. And with half the teams in the NFL utilizing the 3-4 defensive scheme, tying up the best in the business was smart business on Kraft's part.
Tully Banta-Cain was another high profile signing. A $6 million signing bonus and $19 million over 3 years if he hits his incentives makes him a wealthy man, too. Tully came back to a one year "put up of shut up" deal in 2009 and proved himself. He deserves to be paid.
And, as Mike Reiss reports, G Stephen Neal re-signed with a 2 year deal. Now, all of the starting offensive linemen and their backups are on board. Good. But there's still a couple of looming issues out there.
Stephen Gostkowski, Logan Mankins, and Pierre Woods have tenders to varying degrees, but are not locks on the team. Do we really need to go looking for another kicker? But, the most imported free agent issue to solve, at least to this blogger, is CB Leigh Bodden.
Bodden, like Banta-Cain, inked a one year "let me show you something" deal. And he DID show us something. A far cry from what the multi-year Shawn Springs offered, Bodden is now getting his feet wet in free agency with Houston, Pittsburgh, and Seattle showing significant interest according to his agent.
Jarvis Green is garnering interest on the open market, a market where defensive ends are being snapped up right quick. If they Patriots don't do something quick, they'll have made good signings with Wilfork and Banta-Cain only to have the defense slide back a bit without veteran Green.
As the Globe's Albert Breer points out, there are a few other things to tidy up but all of this is just keeping our head above water, putting our thumb in the dike. Where's the high profile additions? Why couldn't we scoop wideout Anquan Boldin? A 3 year $25 million deal with $10 million doesn't sound that expensive to me and the Ravens jumped at the chance. Boldin could've really stretched the field with Randy Moss. Julius Peppers? Way, WAY too expensive; his 6 year deal was over the top and we were right to let him go.
The Patriots haven't gotten better, just shored up what they already had. And they're not done yet. Are we really going to rely on the draft for success in 2010 or is Kraft, Inc. thinking more long term? Do they have a few more things up their sleaves?
The plot thickens...
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For better or worse, the Pats have usually made their splash towards the draft
Either in drafting their players (Mankins, Wilfork, Meriweather) or in draft-day related trades (Dillon, Moss). Welker was a tender-sheet related move – so if there’s another one in the Welker-vein, that’s coming in the next week or so.
In other words, if history is to go by any ‘big’ moves the Pats make might still be a month or two away. Sorry, people, it’s a waiting game. At least there weren’t any Galloway-esque moves? Hah.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Just sign everybody except for Green
our 1st rounder will be a 3-4DE…no need for Green
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Banta-Cain vs. Peppers
I’m going to be really interested in who has the better season in 2010. My money is on Banta-Cain all the way.
Keep the faith!
not exactly a fair comparison
Banta-Cain is playing as an OLD in a 3-4. Peppers will be playing DE in a 4-3 (Cover 2).
And even taking that into account, I can’t believe you seriously believe Banta-Cain will have a better year. Are you telling me if we could have had the option of signing Peppers for the contract Banta-Cain signed, you would have signed Banta-Cain over Peppers?
well
I think you’re crazy but I guess that’s what makes life exciting. Certainly I would pick the opposite of you, unless there was reason to believe Peppers wasn’t suited to be a 3-4 OLB. (In which case, there is no conversation to have because Peppers wouldn’t even be in the discussion I would think, unless the Pats plan on returning to a 4-3 which I have a hard time believing).
Peppers shows up in some games and completely disappears in other.
Many people have tied it to effort. Sometimes he tries and sometimes not.
We’ll see. Banta-Cain is more of a daily worker. Not as much up side, not as much down.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 6, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
They both got around 10 sacks in 2009...
Banta-Cain has less risk, in some ways – he’s a sub-package pass-rushing guy, so he doesn’t have to tangle with run-blocking monsters very often.
Peppers gets accused of ‘taking plays off’ because he’s a smaller (if 270lbs is small) guy who is constantly on the field, so he gets battered and skittled around the field by bigger men. That racks up – he’s often playing hurt or nicked up, and is often tired but never comes off the field; being punched by guys 50lbs heavier than you, all day, week after week, must suck, right? Banta-Cain avoids all that contact and is thus less damaged through the season.
If they’re both healthy, Peppers ought to out-perform Banta-Cain. But Banta-Cain has a lot more chance at staying healthy. I’d call it an even split, and Banta-Cain’s far less exorbitant pay tips it in his favour.
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by Comedic.Sans on Mar 6, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
you're crazy
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clean up
Pats have signed free agents late in the past. Clean up the scraps and hope for a bone.
I like Banta-Cain but…..sorry…..he couldn’t carry Peppers’ jock if Woods loaded the wheelbarrow and Guyton helped push.
haha well put
The amount of money each player is getting has to be part of the equation. You can’t tell me there wasn’t greater scrutiny on Albert Haynesworth and Eli Manning after their exorbitant contracts made them each the highest paid player at their position (by far.) And how’d that work out for the Redskins and Giants last year?
Will Peppers play exponentially better than Banta-Cain based on their contracts? Frankly, I don’t think so.
Keep the faith!
contracts
i am glad they signed Vince…..maybe if he wasn’t going to sign Peppers may have been an option. I will take Vince over Peppers.
Banta-Cain was a good signing but I don’t think a “high profile signing”. Comparing him to Peppers as far as ability…….it is not even close. Dollars and cents wise you have a point……Banta-Cain is “cheap” and he has played in the system.
Pats need to sign the next Vrabel and draft the next Law and Seymour.
They are status quo so far
or just below status quo. If they re-sign Bodden, Mankins, and Gotmilkski, they are at status quo. Not signing Boldin was weak, IMO. Being how rookie WRs usually take two seasons to blossom and become productive and relied on players, seems like they should have snagged him. Will they sign the Ravens UFA, M something? They need some veteran WRs that aren’t over the hill too much while whoever they take in the draft gets up to speed.
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Is Boldin worth a first-round draft pick
plus gobs of money? Would it matter if he demanded to be the number one receiver? No question in my mind that he’s an outstanding player, but I also think his price (especially the first round draft pick) is too high.
Keep the faith!
They usually pick up vet WRs after roster cutbacks and the draft
after the draft, teams jettison vets to make room for the rookies, and then later on, in training camp and pre-season game roster cutbacks, you can reasonably expect a few more veteran WRs won’t make the grade and will find themselves free agents. They aren’t going to be Randy Moss quality, but they’ll be decent roster-fillers. Remember, the Pats picked up Jabar Gaffney in October…
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Vet WR
How come nobody is talking about David Patten coming back? Any concerns with that? He’s almost as old as me!!! What has he really done since the first SB? Why would BB want him back now?
I wonder if it's as an offensive Junior Seau role...
experience, teaching the young guys – Tate, Edelman, Stanback – provides a backup guy who’s familiar with Brady, cheap, potentially fairly effective. In essence, he’s Galloway, but with experience in NE, in the system, and with Brady. He might not make it through training camp, roster cutbacks, etc, but in the meantime at least he can share things with the young guys. And he’s one of those ever diminishing links to the Pats Superbowl days.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
I don't see it as a problem.
Camp spots are easy. If he ends up winning a spot, then some young stud wasn’t ready for prime time. If the youngsters smoke him, he packs his bags and had one last hurrah. Insurance policy / veteran to teach the kids.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Mar 8, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Still Some Solid Players Available
Brandon Marshall: Character issues aside. He would be crazy paired up with Randy
Vincent Jackson: Same deal as B-Marsh
Shawne Merriman: I would love him in a Pats uni. He would have to come up with a new sack celebration though
Jason Taylor: Might be old but can still play.
Steve Breaston: Nice possession receiver!
Anthony Fasano: Guy has been known to kill us occasionally. Solid hands decent blocker.
Just throwing those names out there!!
Maybe...
Brandon Marshall probably would go crazy paired with Randy. He really, really wouldn’t want to share snaps, let alone be second-fiddle to R. Moss. If he could have a personality transplant, his physical skills would be great… but that’s not going to happen.
I doubt the Chargers will let Jackson go – Antonio Gates is their only other target, and he’s getting old. Much the same deal with Breaston – he’s the Cards’ most experienced guy after Fitzgerald with Boldin elsewhere, they can’t afford to let all their weapons go.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
i hear ya point
b-marsh is definitely out of the question. more wishful thinking on my part.
v. jax could be a possibility. with the rise of malcolm floyd the bolts might look to a younger wr in the draft. last time i checked the signing of v. jax requires draft pick compensation.
breaston is now the #2 guy but… it seems like arizona has already entered rebuilding mode. drat picks might cause the cards to at listen to the pats offers.
by The WeatherMan on Mar 9, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
steve breaston
i want him but since boldin left…Arz wont trade him
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