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What was Hoodie thinking with Devin McCourty at 27th?! Value, value, value.

I'm a little surprised, but not overly stunned with Devin McCourty being taken at 27th.

Firstly, Richard Hill picked it in his profile, so McCourty was definitely in the frame.

Secondly, the AFC East has significantly upgraded the WR threats in the last few weeks - Brandon Marshall to the 'Phins and Santonio Holmes to the Jets. In other words, those teams that had decent-but-not-amazing players at #1 and/or #2 now have great players at #1 and #2 and decent #3 WRs. Considering how often Wilhite or Wheatley struggled against the #1's from last year, now they'll struggle against the #3s from this year horrible, unless something was done to upgrade. And upgrade it was; a guy who's far bigger than Wheatley and far quicker than Wilhite. He's also a solid CB and not a ball-hound liability, and seems solid enough against the run, which never hurts. As Richard said: 

McCourty is a perfect Patriot player- he's intelligent, he's versatile, he's competitive and he's athletic.

Thirdly; value. McCourty's not only a CB - he's a Punt Returner (the Pats need one; Welker's hurt, remember?); Kick Returner (need one of those, too - Welker's hurt, Tate finished 2009 on IR); and he's a very good gunner and coverage unit man (can always have those, right?). Hoodie loves his special teamers, and McCourty will contribute on all special teams units immediately - that's a lot of use.

Fourthly - snap count. People were stunned that Hoodie would invest in a guy who'll be a slot corner (or as some put rather derogatively, a sub). Yet the Pats played over 50% of their defensive snaps last year in the sub packages; in other words, their 3rd and/or 4th corners were on the field most of the time. Add in McCourty's special teams snaps as returner and gunner, and they'll get a lot of use out of him, immediately.

Fifthly - what I'll call "bust-proofness". The Pats balked at picking Demaryius Thomas at 22 and traded to the Broncos; they obviously didn't see the value in a guy who hasn't played in Pro Style passing game. The Pats balked again and traded the 24th to the Cowboys, who picked Dez Bryant - the Pats avoided a potential discipline headache. They looked down at 27, saw Kindle, Odrick, Kyle Wilson, Jerry Hughes, Jahvid Best still on the board... and opted for McCourty. What's McCourty got that the others don't? McCourty's a ridiculously flexibile player. He's a CB, Nickel-back, Punt Returner, Kick Returner, Gunner and general coverage man. In other words, even if he doesn't work out as a CB, they'll find a use for him. In that way, he's much like other skill position plyaers they've taken in the high rounds. First-round pick Laurence Maroney was somewhat bust-proof because he could return kicks; second-round pick Deion Branch could return punts and kicks in his rookie year; second-round pick Darius Butler can return kicks; second-round picks Chad Jackson and Bethel Johnson were kick- and punt-returners. While it's not actually going to prevent them from being busts - nothing can - at the very least Belichick knows he's going to get something out of the pick, which he couldn't say about Kindle, Hughes, et al. A bust who can return punts is better than a bust who can't.

Sixthly - there was a run on CBs going on. I could 5 or 6 taken in the first round (depending on whether you believe Gruden that Earl Thomas is a Safety-slash-Cornerback). That's emphasised by the fact that the Jets took Kyle Wilson two picks later, despite the fact they already have Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie. In other words, if they wanted a CB, they had to do it soon - else they'd be gone. Compare that to the OLB stocks, which were, to the surprise of many, barely touched - Kindle, Sapp, Misi et al are all still in the draft pool.

Finally - the second round picks, and the other 5 billion the Pats have available to trade around the draft board. People were shocked that the Pats didn't take either a DE or OLB already, but now Hoodie has all night to woo himself around the draft board in order to address his pass-rush. Kindle's there, so is Sapp, as well as Misi, and even Everson Griffen. If Hoodie wants one or more of them, he's got plenty of time to manoeuvre around the board to get them, and plenty of ammunition to do it with. However, if he wanted a good CB, well, they're all pretty much gone now.

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While not what I would've done, I do see the reasoning behind McCourty at 27

Plus now Hoodie has a lot of extra picks, time and reason to trade all over the second-round draft board to get all those OLBs and DEs he needs to make a pass-rush.

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 23, 2010 12:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I really like that he was trying to get picks in rounds where we didn't have any.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 23, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you really hit it home with your talk of sub-packages

The Patriots now have three solid corners in Bodden, Butler, and McCourty, plus a corner whom the jury is still out on in Jonathan Wilhite (who will continue to be a solid slot corner). They can also rotate in Shawn Springs at free safety, and play him in press in goal line/short yardage situations.

When the Patriots go out against teams like the Colts next year, look for them to come out in sets of six, even seven defensivebacks. McCourty just adds to what the Patriots could do, and he should get a lot of playing time as a rookie.

by Greg Knopping on Apr 23, 2010 12:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm

If you can put pressure on the QB then it speeds up his reads and doesnt give WR’s as long to get open. That was the problem last year. I still think a pass rusher would have been a better choice but I guess the rest of the draft will decide that. I still think that Wilson would have had better value tho.

BB has proven me wrong before with his picks and I hope he does it again

60% of the time, it works everytime...

by Rehabs4Quitters on Apr 23, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't think there were many OLBs with first round ratings...

…and when so many CBs had 1st round scores, it made sense to grab the value while you still can. The pass rushing players will still be there tomorrow. I understand the argument of getting a LB since they play just as much as the nickelback does. I just don’t think the Patriots saw a player who fit the team in the first round.

by Richard Hill on Apr 23, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Touche

The pick wont prove itself until later, just in my angry drunken rants it doesnt seem like the way to go. I guess it mainly depends on what happens tomorrow…If not ill be posting more rants…Ill show BB

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by Rehabs4Quitters on Apr 23, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention

if you remember, the saints ran packages that had maybe 5-7 DBs on the field against us, and the colts(a bit). It was pretty effective, because eventually the DL gets to the QB due to the QB having nowhere to throw it too.

by patriotguy2 on Apr 23, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

good pt

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 23, 2010 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

the saints actually frequently had 8 guys in coverage on multiple plays

rushing only 3 DLs at Brady.

For some strange reason we did not run any draw plays or other running plays to neutralize the strategy.

Oh yeah – because we were way behind because our sub-par #3+ cover guys were getting burned by their deep WR corp.

by mmmmm on Apr 23, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

basically 2 4-3 DE and a DT

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 23, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jonathan Wilhite (who will continue to be a solid slot corner)

yeah…that would be only true if he was still in college. Even when he played college football., he was the 3rd CB on their roster. i see no hope for this guy

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 23, 2010 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

While I can buy into some of these reasons...

one just doesn’t fit. He is Bust-proof? I get versatility, but players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds offer versatility. Heck, we have players on the roster now that offer versatility. Also, he is just as unproven as the other guys the Patriots passed on. Perhaps he had better coaching or what have you, but the question is still there. Can he cover an NFL receiver? I agree that a player like Thomas, Odrick, Bryant or even Hughes is a gamble and you could swing and miss. But you will never hit a home run if all you do is bunt.

by Tmiller on Apr 23, 2010 1:03 AM EDT reply actions  

If Odrick isn't great as a DE, what are you going to do with him?

Same with Kindle – if he’s Vernon Gholston Mk. 2, he’s a very expensive bench-warmer. If it turns out Graham can’t play OLB in coverage? Well, he’s a big slow to return kicks…

It just struck me long before the draft that every skill player the Pats under Hoodie have drafted in the first three rounds – Maroney, Hobbs, Tate, Branch, Butler, Jackson, Johnson – was a better-than-average punt and/or kick returner. Coincidence? I think not.

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 23, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

from nfldraftscout

2009 Season
Earned All-American and All-Big East Conference first-team honors from The NFL Draft Report, becoming the first conference player to earn that honor at two different positions in the same year by that scouting information service (cornerback and special teams) …

Also listed as the most underrated weak-side cornerback and top special teams coverage defender in the country by The NFL Draft Report … First-team All-Big East Conference choice by Athlon Sports and Lindy’s magazine … Lindy’s also rated McCourty as the Big East’s “Special Teams Demon” according to Lindy’s … In addition to his duties at weak-side cornerback, the senior also handled kickoff return duties, and served on both the kickoff coverage and punt coverage units … Started all 13 games, recording a career-high 80 tackles (49 solos), as an eye injury on the first possession of the St. Petersburg Bowl prevented the defensive captain from becoming the first cornerback in school history to lead his team in tackles (posted 78 hits during the first 12 games and linebacker Damaso Munoz inched past him with 81 tackles for 2009) … Also collected 9.5 stops for losses totaling 20 yards … Intercepted one pass and deflected 10 others … Rerouted receivers away from 41 pass attempts, as the opposition completed 36-of-92 throws he was involved in (39.13 percent) for 212 yards and one touchdown, an average of 5.89 yards per pass completion and 2.30 yards per pass attempt (pass attempt total was the lowest for any major college starting cornerback in 2009) … Those statistics do not tell the true story of his shutdown ability, as 38.89 percent of his tackles made on pass plays came from missed assignments by other teammates … Against his main pass coverage assignments, the right cornerback limited those receivers to just 14 catches on 41 passes targeted to them (34.15 percent), good for 96 yards, an average of 6.86 yards per completion and a miniscule 2.34 yards per pass attempt … Made 19 third-down stops vs. the aerial attack and two others vs. the ground game, as he posted 31 hits in run support, stopping those runners twice at the line of scrimmage and 11 other times for loss (both solos and assists) while holding those ball carriers to 84 yards (2.71 yards per catch) … Added 10 tackles for the punt coverage unit and three more for the kickoff coverage squad, as he blocked three kicks and caused a fumble on another punt return … Averaged 25.43 yards on 14 kickoff returns for 356 yards and a 98-yard touchdown … His 98-yarder ranks third on the school record list.

by patriotguy2 on Apr 23, 2010 1:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I had read that...

…and the more I look about for information about McCourty, the more I think that he’ll be fighting for the #2 slot- not the nickel spot.

by Richard Hill on Apr 23, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's an interesting package

I’d expect more of the horses-for-courses CB rotation – Springs against big, physical WRs, Butler against quick ones, Bodden against possession WRs – but McCourty’s skillset seems a little different again. I particularly like the:

Against his main pass coverage assignments, the right cornerback limited those receivers to just 14 catches on 41 passes targeted to them (34.15 percent), good for 96 yards, an average of 6.86 yards per completion and a miniscule 2.34 yards per pass attempt …
That’s Darrelle Revis-like completion percentage (albeit against non-NFL receivers).

But rather unlike Revis:

Made 19 third-down stops vs. the aerial attack and two others vs. the ground game, as he posted 31 hits in run support, stopping those runners twice at the line of scrimmage and 11 other times for loss (both solos and assists) while holding those ball carriers to 84 yards (2.71 yards per catch)
He can tackle and do so preventing YAC? That’s Bodden-like.

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 23, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why I like this pick so much now.

CBs aren’t very deep in the draft, whereas our needs are pretty deep. getting this guy was smart, which means that we can get our needs tomorrow(or rather today since it’s past midnight), which means we can get our needs later.

by patriotguy2 on Apr 23, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

His ceiling seems like a hybrid between Revis and Charles Woodson...

…and I’m definitely talking about his absolutely highest ceiling.

by Richard Hill on Apr 23, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's very good company.

The guy is very smart. Hopefully that translates to field smarts. Read and react, or at bare minimum learning the defense right away.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 23, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not my first choice but.....

Like you pointed out Rich he’s a patriot type player. If hoodie took him over Kyle Wilson Im sure there is reason for it. Love the versatility and the fact that we picked up a 3rd rounder…..Pass rush will be addressed tomorrow, sorry to see Hughes go to the Colts though….plenty of OLBs around…and I can still have my dream of a Mayo/Spikes interior (the fact that we have a 3rd rounder might make this more likely, we should address TE then.)

Hopefuls for day 2
Golden Tate
Ricky Sapp/Sergio Kindle
Brandon Spikes
Rob Gronkowski
Jonathan Dwyer

by LANKSTA on Apr 23, 2010 1:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I like your hopefuls.

And I’m leaning more towards your top 3.

I think we can get Tate/Damian Williams, Sapp and Spikes without trading our new 3rd rounder, which we could use on an additional OLB player (Te’o) or a DE (Lamarr Houston/Torrell Troup).

Or we could package our 3rd with a 2nd and move up to grab Kindle.

by Richard Hill on Apr 23, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Damien Williams a bit more than Tate

Tate reminds me of Welker a little too much, and Williams looks more like Jabar Gaffney or even Chad Jackson – he’s 6’1 and 190lbs – but he comes with great routes and hands already. Either one is decent, but when you’ve already got Welker and Edelman in the wings, the guy who’s different might fit better – Williams.

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 23, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

totally argree w. you

we dont need more slot receivers (thats what tate is). we need a randy moss type player.

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 23, 2010 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

We need a flanker to run opposite Moss and eventually take his place.

I’m hoping for Williams and Sapp. (I’m sour on Kindle at this point – the microfracture stories, are too scary).

I also then want a big fatty for the OL, please.

by mmmmm on Apr 23, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I making a guaruntee now

that we’ll pick a TE in day two. and I think there’’s a strong chance we get Brandon Spikes or even Pat Angerer in the 3rd.

Pat Angerer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NpRbgzYTY0

by patriotguy2 on Apr 23, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bold guarantee.

I say we wait until the 6th round to make a move.

Then again, earlier today I didn’t even consider picking a cornerback, but now I like that idea.

by Richard Hill on Apr 23, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

then again

Dennis Pitta we might pick instead…

damn! shouldn’t have made the gauruntee… oh well, goes to show you all guarunteeing is not a goodthing at all!

by patriotguy2 on Apr 23, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

i just had a thought Hill...

what if one of us had the bonus in those draft guessing game things, that in the bonus one of us said, “Most of my picks are wrong.”?

by patriotguy2 on Apr 23, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahaha...

…I’d give you +10 for being clever.

by Richard Hill on Apr 23, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

sweet!

wish I did that then…

by patriotguy2 on Apr 23, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want to make a guess

and say that if we don’t get the players we expected, everyone will throw a fit, the look at the players we chose more carefully, the settle in more, and may like the pick a lot, or not.

by patriotguy2 on Apr 23, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

It might depend on how the second-round pans out

They’ve probably got a couple of ILBs under consideration (especially if they think that Guyton can play OLB at least some of the time); if they go too early for the Pats’ tastes, the Pats may well consider trading for Morrison. The other thing to consider is whether the Raiders will initiate – if the Pats have someone the Raiders really like available with one of their picks (Arrelious Benn?), then the Pats might haggle Morrison into any trade talks.

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 23, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

ppl are angry at first cuz its the first round...

but they gotta remeber there much more rounds to come. its just overreacting, i mean how bad is a pick when u take one of the top CB’s available? in 2008 half the defense [lus brady got injured, you can never have too much good player and depth

by rawrinate on Apr 23, 2010 3:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Logan Mankins and Sebastian Vollmer were supposedly 'reaches', too

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 23, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

that you know of...

"These players, a lot of other people didn't believe in them, but they believe in themselves. And that is all that matters."- Bill Belichick

by Mainiac on Apr 23, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

McCourty was probably in the radar of the Pats in the second round but the run of CB prob forced BB to draft him early. If the Pats select a 3-4 DE, 3-4OLB along w. a WR in the 2nd round….i’ll be happy

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 23, 2010 4:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Belichick actually had him at #22...

…but thought he could get him later while picking up some extra players.

by Richard Hill on Apr 23, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

not happy

watched highlights. This kid is a stud on special teams. So happy we burned a first round pick on a special teams ace!

by richardlight86 on Apr 23, 2010 7:33 AM EDT reply actions  

i was w. you last night...but i changed my mind (Though i'm still kinda pissed we passed on Jared)

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5117015

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 23, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Comedic.sans

I was surprised, too, and McCourty is not a sexy pick like Bryant would have been but remember, we need to improve the pass defense as well as the pass rush. McCourty gives us another good young corner. And all the trading down lets us move us 6 spots in the 4th round and gives us a 3rd round pick we didn’t have before. Now we’ve got 4 picks today, 3 of them in the second round so we can address other needs. If we get a passrusher or two today, I think we’ll all feel a lot better about drafting a CB in the 1st.

I think it’s a solid if unspectacular pick, and if we add some more pieces today, it will shape up as a really good draft.

by ProfessorTodd on Apr 23, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed Todd...

there is still time. I just really wanted a front seven difference maker and was hoping they would make the leap use the ammo and trade up…

by McGarry on Apr 23, 2010 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

The other realization I had last night is - the real impact comes next year with the Raiders pick

Pats spent last year getting faster and more athletic in the draft, this year they’ve already moved back gotten more value and can do the same, along with filling positions of need.

But realistically I don’t think any of us felt any pick at 22 or then at 25 was a slam dunk must have guy. There were guys that fit needs, so perhaps we all were stretching their value based on what the Pats need in our eyes – I sit here now and thank Jeebus BB doesn’t do that LOL.

Sure getting Dez Bryant at 22 would have been pretty special for the O, but if McCourtney plays (and I think he’s immediately a dime package player) and either the 3 or 4 they grabbed in moving back also get 20-30% of snaps by December, this is really a tremendous move.

The impact player will come next year, with the Raiders pick (should still be top 10) and with a potential rookie salary cap, that pick will be even more valuable (so a great chance to trade down again, ;) )

But for this year, amassing as many picks as you can in a good, deep draft and adding BPA talent with each pick…it’s really helping to re-arm the balance of the team.

by JonnyNYC on Apr 23, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

And one more point - nickel / dime blitzes could be the new way of the NFL

I think Richard had a point about sub packages earlier here, from my end:

More and more 3 -4 wide sets mean that OLBs could be 2 down players, depending on their skill set maybe 3 but really in terms of percentage of snaps..it’s probably decreasing.

The likeliness of having five, six and possibly 7 DBs on the field is ever increasing. And with McCourney, Butler, Chung, Merriweather and the wonder twins…each of these guys was a capable returner in college. That translates into the kicking game but that also shows they have the acceleration and quickness to rotate into a nickel/dime blitz schemes.

Instead of OLBs coming in on 3rd down, it’s complex coverages and the Peyton Manning defense all over again. 2 DBs go in to make it a 6 man rush and 5 guys are staying back, only problem for the O is ANY of the DBs could be coming in, and any could be staying back.

Getting edge rushers, line movers to help on the DL would be great today, also Ben Tate

by JonnyNYC on Apr 23, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Great point.

It doesn’t look like this guy is afraid to blitz. It also looks like he might be smart enough on the way in to read the HB screen and pick it up as well.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 23, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you see the video of his play in the USF game?

The most telling piece to me from that were his play on the running plays where his assignment was to contain the outside edge and not let the RB get around him. He was stone cold steady each time. No flinch. No back pedal. Either stuffed the runner or forced him to turn inside each time.

by mmmmm on Apr 23, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Setting the edge was a problem last year.

Problem fixed.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 23, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before the draft I said that you expect your first round pick to get significant playing time first year.

That doesn’t mean starter. Just rotation time.

Since were in nickel around 50% of defensive snaps that’s playing time. Since he can contribute in every special teams formation, that’s playing time as well. If he moves up to one of the two starting spots this year or next, he will be filling his end of the bargain, and living up to a low first round pick.

The big thing here is game day roster. He fills many roles with one guy. That’s value on game day as players go down. That’s actually the same thing Pouncey brings to the table. He can fill 4 out of the five offensive line spots. That’s fewer guys you need on game day. When I did “Who Stays and Who Goes?” last year, getting down to the 53 man roster usually means who can fill multiple holes. If you are the number 1 starter, your job is secure. After that, it’s how many roles can you fill.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 23, 2010 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

As always great thoughts SMP - I think Eric Norwood should be a prime target today

One of the more valued minds on the blog in my book.
I’m not sure of the stat, I’ll take your word for that and suggest per my posts above, with more talent coming into the DB and with the younger guys already there gaining experience, I would think the nickel could get even more time this year, and the dime as well.

I think DTs will be important to contain the run, but this is more of a rotational/depth fill here, a guy like Houston from Texas would be good toward the end of the round.

One major consideration for me today is Eric Norwood. I think he is an LB who can play a high % of snaps also, playing inside on early downs and eventually staying out their in nickel with Mayo. Good size, smart, high energy and follows the ball very well.

He should play inside with Mayo, has tremendous energy and skills to get after the QB and work in coverage/zone schemes

by JonnyNYC on Apr 23, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't sleep on Myron Rolle, if you're after cerebral defenders

Kid’s an Oxbridge neuroscience grad, and the Pats have scouted him out fairly thoroughly. He’s a tweener – big and quick for a safety, but probably a little small for a LB – but I wonder if he’d make a special teams stud and maybe a Brandon McGowan TE-coverer type.

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 23, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only thing I'm confused about...

I love the pick and am excited about McCourty, but what does he bring that Kyle Wilson does not? Before the draft all I heard as that Wilson’s stock was rising to almost Haden’s level, he’s a shut-down guy with the same special teams skills. So, why’d we go with Devin?

by NathanL on Apr 23, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Intelligence

Also, I don’t like the expression, “Player X’s stock is rising”. The player has a certain value. Period.

You can look at game tape, measurables, talk to the player about X’s and O’s but he has a certain value and unless he does something to make you question what you know about him (like dropping 0.5 tenths off of his 40 time), his value is what it is (as Hoodie would say).

When a player’s “stock rises”, it means that the media machine is doing something to make you think the player is better than what he is.

I liken it to the Dot Com companies. Many of them had no value – weren’t money making machines at all. Dot Coms were the sexy, attractive stock picks for awhile and people bought stock in companies that made no sense. The only earnings people got were because demand was artificially created. In the end, when companies under-performed as a sane person would have expected, the bottom fell out on Dot Com stock. Same thing with the housing market, same thing with the NFL meat market draft.

It looks like Hoodie is smart enough not to scout via the news.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 23, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

good pt

wilson is Ashante Samuel…do you really want another AS on this team…NO!!! we need a physical corner but a zone cov corner who sits back 10 yards and jump every route

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 23, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wilson is bad against the run...

…while McCourty is absolutely able.

Wilson has the bigger nose for the interception, but in turn he gives up bigger plays. McCourty plays it safe by knocking the ball away. He led college football in average yards/reception allowed. McCourty is a much more physical player on the line and is much more savvy than Wilson in general knowledge. McCourty is able to know what every single player on the field is doing on a certain play- Wilson hasn’t shown that knowledge.

Basically, McCourty can be a 4 down CB. Wilson may just be a pass defense cornerback.

by Richard Hill on Apr 23, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And 4 downs means more playing time which is what you want from a 1st rounder.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 23, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

some differences between McCourty and Wilson.

McCourty is about a 1/2 inch taller.
McCourty timed out just a hair faster.
McCourty has played more snaps in college (which is one precursor to success in the NFL).
McCourty has better academics.
McCourty has better coverage stats (few ints, but awesome yds-against-per-attempt).
McCourty has not only run back kicks, but he’s also blocked them. A lot of them, in fact.
McCourty is basically smarter and more versatile.

Aside from those things, they are a wash. :-D

by mmmmm on Apr 23, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wilson seemed Asante Samuel-ish

Gets picks because he sells out and jumps routes; isn’t as solid as McCourty as a run-defender. Good punt returner, but didn’t have McCourty’s kick-block stats (7 blocked kicks in college!)

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 23, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

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