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Projecting a Patriots' 53 Man Roster: Version 1.0

One of the things I like to do, shortly after the draft, is project a Patriots 53 man roster/depth chart.  I'll let you know, it's near impossible.  After all, the Patriots will probably add a few more veteran players, and we haven't even begun mini-camps.  It's still April!  Nonetheless, it's still a fun thing to do.  So go ahead, read my roster/depth chart, critique me, tell me what you would change.  I'll even throw in an 8-man practice squad for kicks.

Quick note:  You'll find Derrick Burgess on my 53 man roster.  I think that the Patriots will bring him back on a one or two year deal.

Offense

Quarterback: 1. Tom Brady  |  2. Brian Hoyer

Runningback: 1. Laurence Maroney  |  2. Kevin Faulk  |  3. Sammy Morris  |  4. BenJarvus Green-Ellis

Wide Receiver: 1. Randy Moss  |  2. Julian Edelman  |  3. Brandon Tate  |  4. Torry Holt  |  5. Taylor Price  |  6. Sam Aiken

Tight End:  1. Rob Gronkowski  |  2. Alge Crumpler  |  3. Aaron Hernandez

Offensive Tackle:  1. Matt Light  |  2. Sebastian Vollmer  |  3. Nick Kaczur  |  4. Mark LeVoir

Offensive Guard: 1. Logan Mankins  |  2. Stephen Neal  |  3. Dan Connolly  |  4. Rich Ohrnberger

Center: 1. Dan Koppen  |  2. Ted Larsen

Defense and specialists after the jump!

Star-divide

Defense

Nose Tackle: 1. Vince Wilfork |   2. Myron Pryor  |  3. Ron Brace

Defensive End: 1. Ty Warren  |  2. Mike Wright  |  3. Gerard Warren  |  4. Damione Lewis  |  5. Brandon Deaderick

Outside Linebacker: 1. Tully Banta-Cain  |  2. Derrick Burgess  |  3. Jermaine Cunningham  |  4. Rob Ninkovich

Inside Linebacker: 1. Jerod Mayo  |  2. Brandon Spikes  |  3. Gary Guyton  |  4. Tyrone McKenzie

Cornerback: 1. Leigh Bodden  |  2. Darius Butler  |  3. Devin McCourty  |  4. Jonathan Wilhite  |  5. Shawn Springs

Safety: 1. Brandon Meriweather  |  2. James Sanders  |  3. Patrick Chung  |  4. Brandon McGowan

Specialists

Kicker: 1. Stephen Gostkowski

Punter: 1. Zoltan Mesko

Long Snapper: 1. Jake Ingram

Practice Squad:

1. Kade Weston, DT

2. Shawn Crable, OLB

3. Zac Robinson, QB

4. Dane Fletcher, OLB

5. Darryl Richard, DE

6. Thomas Welch, OT

7. Pat Paschall, RB

8. Bryan Anderson, WR

Notes:

 

  • Wes Welker is not on roster, as I believe that he will be placed on PUP to start the season, therefore not counting against the 53 man roster.
  • Some tough cuts: Fred Taylor, Matt Slater, Kyle Arrington, Eric Alexander, Pierre Woods, David Patten, Terrence Wheatley.
  • On the list of tough cuts, you probably noticed a lot of key special teams players.  However, I believe that the Patriots have brought in a lot of young players over the last two years that can fill those roles.  Kyle Arrington was terrific last season, but Devin McCourty is a terrific special teams player.  Matt Slater is being replaced by Taylor Price/Brandon Tate.  Eric Alexander by Tyrone McKenzie.  Pierre Woods by Rob Ninkovich/Jermaine Cunningham.
  • A few other places I could see a cut include defensive line (Warren, Lewis, possibly even Brace), offensive line (Ohrnberger, LeVoir, Connolly, Larsen [ps], and possibly even Kaczur), and wide receiver (Holt, Aiken).
  • As for the release of Fred Taylor, it was a tough one.  Laurence Maroney is young and cheap, and will probably be the starter again in 2010, he also adds kick return value.  Kevin Faulk is the jack of all trades, he's not going anywhere.  Sammy Morris could be a casualty, but adds value as a fullback.  BenJarvus Green-Ellis brings youth to the group, and can also line up at fullback and play on special teams.  Then it came down to Taylor, who could certainly help the team as a runner and with his veteran experience, but I needed to cut down one more, and Taylor, at this point in his career, seemed the least versatile.  Plus, I needed to add some juice to this article, didn't I?
  • Overall, just remember this is a guess at this point.  We haven't even seen a large chunk of these guys take the field for the Patriots.  What will be interesting is to see how this roster looks once we know the actual 53 man roster late August/early September.
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Nice job.....a few changes I'd make....

Im assuming this is th projected Week 1 Depth Chart..

Fred Taylor as the #4 RB.
I like Holt at #2 at WR (or at least ahead of Tate). (Holt’s Experience is necessary with Welker out, we all know how Brady can get when he’s not in sync with the WR, and I think they’ll build rapport fairly easily in camp.)
Guyton Maybe at #2/3 at OLB. (Guyton is going to be the Wildcard of the D, we’ll see him a little bit of everywhere. 3rd down ILB, but see him stealing a lot of snaps at OLB on 1st and 2nd).
I also think someone challenges Mike Wright for the start at DE and prevails.

by LANKSTA on Apr 28, 2010 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Brandon Tate is WAY too high on that list. Right now, at least.

Holt has not had the same sort of QB since Bulger went downhill in 2007, and he was really, really phased out of St. Louis altogether not long afterwards.

He’s still got some big play ability (along with a nasty broken finger, courtesy of the Pittsburgh Steelers) so he’s got a chance. He can actually run routes, too.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 28, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's interesting that NE is ready and willing to go into the season with two quarterbacks.

While Miami still has four on their roster (I’m sure that’ll change). I’d assume Belichick has contingency plans involving Edelman stepping back under center? Lastly, what do you think the chances are that one of the other 31 teams would try to pluck Robinson off the practice squad?

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by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Apr 28, 2010 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Kyle Arrington had 18 special teams tackles 9 or 10 games. With the age of our running backs I also don’t see them cutting ties with fred taylor. Inless they see P.P being able to step in if a back goes down, I see taylor back for one more year

by mexi on Apr 28, 2010 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Arrington had 18 special teams tackles (14 solo) in 8 appearances.

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 28, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely want to see him back

not only was he a stud during the regular season – that tackle count is phenomenal – but he’s the guy who provided the only spark in the Ravens playoff game, that fumble recovery off a Ravens punt return that he regathered.

Hoodie gets rid of guys who muff plays in knockout games – Ellis Hobbs, Asante Samuel, Jabar Gaffney – so I’d have to imagine he’ll keep the guys who actually do well in the crucial playoff games, too.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Apr 28, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe can turn out to be a good Nickel or dime corner

Like I said he is only 23 years old, so there is still a chance he can be a solid corner for us as well as a stud on special teams. I’d say wheatley is gone for sure and depending how the other reserve players for there respectful positions pan out springs could be an odd man out.

Many will say J. Wilhite should be cut, but for a guy who started 8 games and had 45 tackles and two interceptions he shows vale at nickel or dime.
Comedic maybe you can get the stat of percentage of playing time he had…

by mexi on Apr 29, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've got that on hand, somewhere

Mike Reiss calculated playtime of the defensive players throughout the season:

Safeties:
S Brandon Meriweather – 95.5 percent
S Brandon McGowan – 72.5 percent
S James Sanders – 38.3 percent
S Pat Chung – 20.5 percent (also played nickelback)
S Bret Lockett – 0.9 percent
S Randy Moss – 0.2 percent
Cornerbacks:
CB Leigh Bodden – 82.5 percent
CB Jonathan Wilhite – 57.0 percent
CB Darius Butler – 51.2 percent
CB Shawn Springs – 50.8 percent
CB Terrence Wheatley – 2.2 percent
Reiss also notes

Bodden’s numbers would have been higher had he played in the season finale as he was a solid free-agent signing, ranking third in playtime and leading the defense with 17 passes defended…Springs’ midseason disappearance remains a mystery, which contibuted to his 50.8-percent total, but he’s come on late in the season …Wheatley, a 2008 second-round draft choice, got buried behind a restocked cornerback group. Next year figures to be a defining point of his Patriots career.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Apr 29, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Ya so anybody says we should cut Wilhite over Wheatley has low football “IQ”.

by mexi on Apr 29, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked Wheatley, pre-injury

He was superb in his first start against the Colts, and did a number on Peyton Manning, Wayne and Harrison (which isn’t easy to do). Then he shatters his wrist (again – he was really fragile in college, too) and hasn’t been the same since.

Nice skills (at least in the Colts game), but having to dredge up memories of a game several years ago to remember the last time I saw the guy isn’t ideal.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Apr 29, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

True...

Its hard to say how many corners they will keep, it would be nice to see him have a decent year. but as you stated earlier 2.2% of the defensive snaps last year I don’t see him sticking around.

by mexi on Apr 29, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He added a little extra value as a KR

but between Maroney, Tate, Edelman, Welker, McCourty, and even Slater and Stanback, I’m not quite sure he’d beat out those guys for KR reps, let alone roster spots. A lot might depened on how injured Tate and Welker are – if they’re fine, KR is filled up, Wheatley might be gone.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Apr 30, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope slater is kept. Good Special Teams player and return man, could be odd man out depending on who steps in on S T this year. Still has some value at receiver because he knows the system well and can be an emergency defensive back. Hoodie loves versatility so we’ll see. i hope he stays tho.

Also seems like a good locker room guy

by mexi on Apr 30, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very Good for this early on

but we all know The Pats will sign more people and when other teams cut a guy to get to the 53 man roster the pats might pick them up, so im happy where they are now.

by Patsfan4life on Apr 28, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I see...

…Fred Taylor making the roster instead of Sammy Morris due to Aaron Hernandez being able to step in a FB.

I see Kyle Arrington making the roster over Ted Larsen and Larsen spending time on the practice squad. I say Larsen makes practice squad over Kade Weston.

I also see Shawn Crable on the opening day roster. No way he sits on the practice squad after all these years. Crable makes the roster over Burgess as Cunningham fills the Burgess role.

by Richard Hill on Apr 28, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, and if Crable makes the roster, I see Weston on the practice squad.

So really, the only changes are:

Freddy > Morris
Crable > Burgess
Arrington > Larsen
Larsen on practice squad.

by Richard Hill on Apr 28, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with all three changes.

I don’t know if Burgess will even make the team.

by Justin_Bobo on Apr 28, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with these changes.

I too, am skeptical of Burgess’ return.

I also think that BB may be liking the idea of McCourty and Arrington as twin gunners in the kicking game …its like firing two rockets at once downfield.

by mmmmm on Apr 28, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's how I'm envisioning it

If the rookie punter kicks particularly well, you want your two premium gunner weapons in place to potentially get turnovers (a la Ravens playoff game with Arrington’s fumble recovery). And if the punter is occasionally mercurial (like most rookies are on occasion), then you want your two best gunners on the field to clean up any messes. I’d see Arrington making it sheerly as a safety net for a rookie Punter, and we know how much Hoodie loves his special teams.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Apr 28, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also Burgess isn't signed.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 28, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha yeah...

…so I think we go with our own personnel rather than resigning a player. Burgess will be around in case of injury.

by Richard Hill on Apr 28, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree about Crable

At this point, if he can’t make the roster, they would have to cut him. It’s unfortunate what’s happened to him but there’s only so long you can wait for a guy.

by BigRedDog42 on Apr 28, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depending on how Tate and/or Holt work out

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Hernandez acting more as a third receiver, split out wider like the Colts do with Dallas Clark

by BigRedDog42 on Apr 28, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd be excited to see that.

Moss and Holt/Price/Tate out wide.
Edelman in the slot.
Hernandez out-line tight end.
Gronkowski in-line tight end.

Three legitimate receiving weapons and two potential receiving/blocking weapons.

I like the possible schemes involved.

by Richard Hill on Apr 28, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's def my projection

Holt should lock up the second wide out slot imo. Tate should see some time too as I view him as more of a big play threat and Torry as a consistent route runner.

I have a vision of Brady and Holt understanding each other, both have great awareness and high football I.Q.’s

by LANKSTA on Apr 28, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holt has always been one of my fav players.

He’s not at all a dilletant wide reciever. He’s is a football player in the Troy Brown sense – except that he’s headed for the NFL HoF.

by mmmmm on Apr 28, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking Pretty Good

I’d say your educated guess apprears rather educated. I don’t significantly disagree with anything you’re suggesting.

As anybody would, I have certain biases…. some of which are based on nothing but a hunch. Here’s one: David Patten! I do know Patten is a guy Belichick likes. At one point in time, BB respected his game, his work ethic as well as his character. I recall him mentioning it on camera many times. Particularly during the Super Bowl MVP year.

I know he left town over a contract negotiation breakdown but Bill generally understands the nature of “contract issues” and rarely takes such disputes personal. I have a hard time believing he’d bring a guy like that back in if it wasn’t his plan to give him every chance under the sun to succeed.

I say Aiken OUT……. Patten IN…… Then again, a lot of time has passed since those days!I could be way off base! LOL

by Bills friend on Apr 28, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I don't see Aiken getting dropped...

…due to his excellent special teams performance. If Patten plays, it will be only as a #5/6 receiver. Aiken can contribute on special teams so I think he’ll stick.

My guess is Patten is here for a last hurrah. If he makes the team, great. If not, he’ll retire as a Patriot.

by Richard Hill on Apr 28, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

As lousy as Aiken was as a wide-out last year, there is no way Patten displaces Aiken’s value at special teams. Patten will have to beat out someone of : Holt, Price, Tate, Edelman

I don’t see it happening.

by mmmmm on Apr 28, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disgree a little on your point...
I have a hard time believing he’d bring a guy like that back in if it wasn’t his plan to give him every chance under the sun to succeed.

Belichick regularly kicks the tyres on ex-Patriots players to see what they’ve still got. In 2009 it was Patrick Pass, who was signed and the cut within 3 days. I’d be surprised if Patten sticks around; he might well be cut and then be on speed-dial if anything bad happens to anyone during the season, as the 2010 version of the special Pats-only Junior Seau-reserve-list

Sam Aiken’s Belichick’s special teams stud player; Hoodie loves special teams, Aiken was his special teams captain in 2009, and the only TD that came about because of a botched special teams play was pretty much the only special teams snap that Aiken missed – the blocked punt against the Jets. Aiken’s fairly safe. Patten doesn’t any special teams value, Aiken gives oodles of it.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Apr 28, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see that and even agree

But there’s only so much room on a team for special teams studs on rosters. I guess my point is based on listening to BB discuss this new crop of rookies. He seemed to mention “special teams” potential on more guys this year than previous. I have no significant foundation for that theory, just comes down to what i recall. I almost wish they’d expand the roster by a few more slots to accompany the amount of “specialists” that teams now carry. Several years ago the idea of keeping a pure long-snapper on your squad was rather unfamiliar. Nowaday its automatic. Who knows…. in ten more years, it’s altogether possible for teams to make room for a “holder”. I know it’s a stretch but a few decades ago I would have said the exact same regarding “long snapper” or “kick returner”.

I guess my point on Patten was to say he’s a “Belichick guy”. He didn’t have the longevity of a Tedu Bruschi or a Troy Brown, but it would have likely worked into that if Patten could have stuck it out. I have friends connected to the organization and that’s what they told be when David was in contract negotiations and ended up bolting.

by Bills friend on Apr 29, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be highly surprised to see him make it through roster cuts...

but in saying that, I wouldn’t be horrified if he did – if he’s still got the physical ability to get through camp and outshine the rookies, having his experience around isn’t a bad thing.

I do agree with you on the nature of all the rookies being special teamers, too, but Aiken’s above and beyond that – he’s the Captain of the unit in a squad that has always really valued the worth of a special teams Captain. Part of why Aiken was brought in in the first place was his leadership value on the third unit; Larry Izzo had left the team for the Jets and Hoodie wanted veteran leadership on the unit. While some of the rookies might’ve been more physically able than Aiken (and definitely were more capable than Izzo – he was a fairly slow LB when not on special teams), rookies couldn’t replace the veteran experience and leadership of Aiken/Izzo, so Hoodie always had a roster spot open for them.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Apr 29, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

disagree about "the amount of 'specialists'"

The fact is, that Hoodie grabbed a lot of guys who are multi-purpose, if anything. If you look up and down the 53 man roster, there are very few guys who only do one thing. Brady, Moss (who actually CAN return kicks and DID play a couple of snaps at deep Safety), Mayo (who COULD play OLB) and just a few other guys (the kickers) are not expected to do more than one thing.

In this discussion, it is Aiken who is really the specialist – but he is really, really really good at ‘quarterbacking’ the kicking units. So he’s one of the few specialists that Hoodie will carry. He was only thrust into the WR position last year because Galloway sucked and Brandon Tate was injured.

by mmmmm on Apr 30, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t necessarily talking about the Pats. As a matter of fact, I was actually thinking about sports in general. The idea of “specialists” have swept through the major sports significantly in the last few decades and it’s almost aggravating! OMG…. basesball teams now have starters, long relievers, middle relievers, set-up guys and closers! 30 years ago we just called them PITCHERS! I’m sure there’s wonderful sports science behind such things but an old school guy like me can’t help but ponder a fact like this: Is there truly that much difference between the 8th and 9th inning?

Yeah I agree Belichick tries to use multi-purpose players but that’s only because the 53 man roster is somewhat restrictive. Coaches have to do that. There are teams out there that have three “specialists” brought on for just certain duties. Long snappers, kick returners and special teamers (like Aiken or Izzo). My point was to say those roster spots were once held by everday players used as 2nd or 3rd string subs. Now they just have their own little title.

by Bills friend on Apr 30, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good analysis and good roster

Except for the pass rush. Maybe Ninkovic and/or Cunningham will have a breakout year, but otherwise this looks like a weak spot, just like it did last year.

by hythlodaeus on Apr 28, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree, but I'm optimistic for Cunningham and Spikes

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by LegendaryTadpole on Apr 28, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why I have the Patriots re-signing Burgess

They need another experienced rusher in there, whether or not he actually sees the field

by Greg Knopping on Apr 28, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if you were spot-on with your predictions

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What one man's life could be worth--oh, I wonder what would happen to this world.

by LegendaryTadpole on Apr 28, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're planning on picking up JaMarcus Russell after the Raider's cut him.

He bulked up out and if we convince him the opposing QB is stashing burgers on his person, I think he would be quite potent in the rush. Just have to keep him hungry, and by the looks of him, he’s ALWAYS hungry.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 28, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, Russell's back is getting pretty full.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 28, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 28, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have Brandon Tate at #2, because he did well as a #2 in miami last year.

Also, I really do think pryor will be the RE, because I don’t think Mike W. can sustain blocks,

I'm also a Raider Fan dammit!!! RAIDER NATION!!!!

by patriotguy2 on Apr 28, 2010 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think we should count out Gerard Warren just yet!

I think he could steal the spot, or at least join the starting rotation.

Warren – Wilfork – Warren

Sounds pretty good to me.

by Richard Hill on Apr 28, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he actually works his ass off, yeah.

Us in raider nation were SO frustrated with him. He had such a lack of effort, and he he’s horrible in sustaining blocks if I remember.

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by patriotguy2 on Apr 28, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the problem with the silver face paint, it affects your ability to remember....

LOL, I know, “I kill you, yada yada.”

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 28, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep. I kill you!

but we all think he’s a slob. :)

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by patriotguy2 on Apr 28, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh?

Brandon Tate doesn’t even have a career reception yet, you’re seriously calling him the #2 WR now? That’s… optimistic.

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 28, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a reception, but there were a couple instances that he BEAT the coverage, and brady missed him.

or if I remember correctly, Tate beat the double coverage easily against miami, and brady missed him. if he threw it more accurately, tate would’ve had a TD.

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by patriotguy2 on Apr 28, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, I guess, but he still hasn't even caught a ball in the NFL yet...

I’m still beating coverage once or twice and not catching anything catapaults him to #2 above Torry "big game" Holt, Julian Edelman or even the new guy Taylor Price.

Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.

by Comedic.Sans on Apr 28, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

well its a projection.

he’s been in the pats system longer than holt, has more speed as well as maybe just as much quickness as holt.

I can see tate as a great #2, but it’s just a projection of mine. I like to see him there, as he is basically our future WR, and a starting job this year will help his skills a lot better for next year.

I think edelman is best served in the slot, like welker in 07. he’ll beat out the TEs and safeties very easily. unless we plan on having hernandez as a slot TE instead.

All in all, I guess my WR positions would be Moss on the right, tate on the left, and edelman in the slot.

however, getting holt might ACTUALLY mean that holt will be #2(since he’s done good with Jaxonville last year), and edelman or tate in the slot, with either on as the #4, OR Hernandez will just be the slot instead.

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by patriotguy2 on Apr 28, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone has a few gripes here and there..

but all in all youve got the top 40-45 guys. Everything else is a crapshoot. I like it.

Seems like a lot of depth.

by McGarry on Apr 28, 2010 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep.

I wouldn’t mind more young beef in the O-line. But maybe one of the late picks will rise to the occasion.

by mmmmm on Apr 28, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure Deaderick will make a 5th DE spot

Mainly because you’ve also got Burgess, Ninkovich and TBC still on the team who can fill a dual OLB/DE role. That roster spot would probably got to Fred Taylor or Kyle Arrington.

I’m also not sure Fred Taylor is the first RB cut (if any are). Sammy Morris seems to be the guy in most danger: a) he’s been injured regularly, and b) BJGE started stealing some of his RB/FB snaps. Morris might find his role stolen by BJGE, and Taylor’s a better running back outright than Morris, when he’s healthy.

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 28, 2010 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Burgess isn't on the roster yet

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 29, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I figured he was Seau-ish

And technically, neither is Mankins (sign Mankins!).

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 29, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but Seau refused to play anywhere else.

I doubt Burgess is so picky.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 29, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's strange he hasn't signed with other teams, though

He hasn’t retired, he hasn’t signed elsewhere, and he said one way or the other what his plans are. Assuming that all Hoodie’s “Burgess played great today” stuff last season wasn’t just guff, I wonder if he’s in negotiations. Otherwise the draft picks they gave up were for nada; at the very least, give him a shot to compete with the rookies or something? Strange and stranger.

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 29, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

While I stated I was skeptical of his return

I will note that Burgess DID play much better down the stretch in the last few games. I don’t know if that was because he finally ‘got it’, or whether he realized he needed to play for a contract. But he definitely was consistently harassing the QB on his snaps in those last few games.

by mmmmm on Apr 30, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, exactly

If they sign the guy on a team-friendly contract and then put him up against Crable, Cunningham, Ninkovich, etc… if he shows he has clicked with the system and beats them out, great. If he hasn’t and doesn’t show enough, cut him, and you’re basically back to where you started (minus his signing bonus).

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 30, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Burgess presence/improvement was more noticeable

and I don’t think Belichick was giving him faint praise either. I bet he’ll come back here if needed.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Apr 30, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd also make the minor adjustment of putting Larsen on the Practice Squad

Connolly is the first choice backup at Guard, but he’s also the first-choice backup at C. That flexibility might mean that he’s covering both, and if anything happens to Neal, Ohrnberger can slot in in the short-term. If it’s long-term, then Neal goes on IR and then you can promote Larsen up from the PS to fill in. It just saves a roster spot considering Connolly is probably the go-to guy anyway.

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 28, 2010 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Finally, I'd be tempted to say Mark LeVoir might struggle to make the squad

He was played situationally, and usually as the third tight end. Given the Pats:
a) now have three ‘real’ tight ends; and
b) have two swing tackles – Vollmer, and Kaczur (Kaczur played his first season as a LT when Light was injured); and
c) if one of the Ts goes down, they can always promote Welch from the practice squad to bulk out the numbers while whoever recovers;
I wonder if LeVoir might find himself squeezed out of a job.

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 28, 2010 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we have to keep either Isiah Stanback or Zac Robinson on the 53

Stanback was the emergency 3rd QB last year and I really don’t think the Pats are going to only have 2 QBs on the roster,

Therefore I think you see someone like Taylor Price come up with some random “injury” to make space for a 3rd QB.

by totheights on Apr 28, 2010 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

It'll be interesting to see how that pans out

I quite liked having the 6th WR be the emergecy QB last season – it saved a roster spot, and it means that the emergency QB is arguably more involved in the offence instead of holding a clipboard. So I could imagine them keeping a slot open for Stanback.

However! Two things. Robinson could be the emergency QB on the practice squad instead, playing much like Matt Gutierrez did for a season or two as the understudy-to-the-understudy. The other thing to note is that they just signed a 6’4" WR undrafted free agent who has also played a bit of college QB. He’s got QB height (which doesn’t hurt for a WR, too), and he’s pretty good in both positions. He might give Stanback a run for his money and have practice squad eligibility.

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by Comedic.Sans on Apr 28, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd just like to point out that Price is apparently able to throw the ball pretty well.

I don’t know if he could play QB in a pinch, but he’s been touted as a wildcat option.

by mmmmm on Apr 30, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

so...we are cutting patten?

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 28, 2010 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

he isnt on the wr depth

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by NinjaZX6R on Apr 29, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know...

just being cute, but then maybe this isn’t exactly the right place to go off with sewing puns, haha

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by Marima on Apr 29, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's a sewing Patten?

Tell me more, I’m on pins and needles here.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Apr 29, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great job, Greg !

Just read your hypothetical roster. It shows a lot of thought, and your choices make sense completely. Congratulations and thanks for taking the time to share !

by RI Michael on Apr 28, 2010 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

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