New England Patriots Off-Season Questions: Quarterback Tom Brady
Tom Brady suffered from a devastating injury that cut his 2008 season extremely short. In a rusty 2009, Brady was unfairly expected by everyone to return to his 2007 form and, after he was unable to do so, was considered to have helped lead the Patriots to a let down of a season. A big question on my mind is how will Tom Brady do in his second year back from injury?
Looking at quarterbacks with ACL injuries, there's no clear pattern for when they return to top form.
1) Philip Rivers, San Diego Chargers. Rivers tore his ACL in the 2007 playoffs. He has improved as a quarterback each year, despite losing his accompanying running game. Improved after injury.
2) Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia Eagles/Washington Redskins. McNabb tore his ACL during the 2006 season. He's more of a mobile quarterback and has seen his rushing stats diminish since his injury. However, from a pure passer point of view, McNabb performed at a lower level for two seasons before recovering in his 3rd season back. His decrease was lightly due to his lack of rushing ability- he was unable to run so he started to pass more. He threw shorter passes, which led to an increased completion rate, but saw his interceptions increase as well. As a quarterback, I would say that he remained constant after his injury. No Change after injury.
3) Carson Palmer, Cincinnati Bengals. Palmer tore his ACL in the 2005 playoffs and was rushed back in time for the 2006 season. He has been riddled with injuries ever since. However, in the seasons where he was not injured, his level of play decreased. He became less accurate, less of a touchdown threat and more of an interception liability. He lost his down field ability. Worsened after injury.
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Because of this inconsistency in respect to returns from injury, we're unable to determine what Brady will do in his second season. This is why it's important that Brady try his hardest to succeed- because whether or not he succeeds is all up to him.
Comparing Brady to his 2007 season, we see the following changes:
1) Decrease in wide receiver quality. Brady struggled to produce in 2009 due to changes in the wide receiver position. The difference came in two different places: Randy Moss and the #3 receiver.
Moss became less of a vertical threat; whether that is the fault of Moss's injuries or Brady's inability to connect, the bottom line is Moss was less effective as a receiver. If Brady and Moss get on the same page again in 2010, look for Brady to improve as a quarterback.
At #3 receiver, the Patriots went from Donte Stallworth to Sam Aiken. Stallworth collected 66.6% of the passes thrown to him. Aiken caught 47.6%. The lack of reliability in the 3rd receiver caused opposing defenses to shift towards Welker and Moss, preventing Brady from utilizing his top weapons. Should a true #3 receiver emerge, Brady should improve as well.
2) Less accurate with the football. Wes Welker actually caught a higher rate of passes in 2009 than in 2007. Brady became less accurate in two key positions: Down field and under pressure.
Looking at Pro Football Focus data from 2007 and 2009, Brady lost his down field consistency. His accuracy on passes of over 20 yards decreased from 44.4% to 27.7%. That's a 17% decrease- large enough to be concerned. His passes of 10 to 20 yards dipped from 62.5% to 59.5%, but I don't think that decrease is large enough to be concerned- I could attribute that to the lack of a #3 receiver (aka: Sam Aiken).
Also, under pressure, Brady became a lot less careful with the ball. Whether that's because he was afraid of being hit, or just because they were bad throws, I don't know. I do know that Brady thew 8 interceptions under pressure in 2009, against 2 in 2007. If Brady regains confidence in his legs to stay in the pocket and follow through on his passes, perhaps he'll throw fewer interceptions.
3) Regression to the norm. Looking at Tom Brady's numbers from earlier in his career, we see a clear return to his career average. Whether or not 2007 was an extreme outlier, I'll wait for this upcoming year to say, but it appears as if Brady is going back to his earlier career numbers. While he became more accurate in 2009 than in his earlier years, the increase in short passes spike up Brady's pass completion rate; a clear effect of Welker being a large part of our offense. Brady's 2009 numbers fall in line with the rest of his career- 7.8 yards/attempt, mid-high 20s (23-28) of touchdowns and low teens (10-14) of interceptions.
We cannot predict how Tom Brady will perform in his second season back from injury. It seems as if in Brady's first year back, he returned to his normal career averages.
Let's hope he steps up his game in 2010.
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Hey Richard, sorry this is off topic… I’m the guy from the Eagles site that did the overview of the ages of all the OL in the NFL. I’m doing a new one on the offensive skill positions. Quick question for you – You guys have 3 new TE’s this year (Crumpler, Hernandez, Gronkowski). I’m sure it’s been debated here, but which of those 3 guys do you see as the starter in 2010?
Formerly Bye, Dawk :(
I see Gronkowski as the full time starter.
Gronk will split time with Crumpler to start the season, but will gradually get most of the playing time as the season progresses.
Hernandez will play as a receiving threat and (this is my guess. I have no real proof) will play more of a TE/WR/HB role. He’ll come help block on the line, on short yard runs and downfield. He’ll do everything, but he won’t be big enough to take the starting job from Gronk.
I see the depth chart as:
Running Downs:
1. Gronk (in-line)
2. Crumpler (in-line)
3. Hernandez (halfback)
Passing Downs:
1. Gronk (red zone receiver, in line between the 20s)
2. Hernandez (between the 20s receiver, he could be our “Vrabel” in the red zone, with a quick block and then out route)
3. Crumpler (in-line)
by Richard Hill on May 28, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You deserve this.
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The following should definitely appear on Jeopardy...
ANSWER: They were invented in Philadelphia by the city's favorite icon Benjamin Franklin. However, they are very rarely used by people in the city and its surrounding areas.
QUESTIONS: What are logic, reason, and rational thought?
2010: Year of the Grission
Oh, can you PLEASE utilize the following line-up?
QB: Tom Brady (33)
RB: Fred Taylor (34)
RB2: Kevin Faulk (34)
WR1: Randy Moss (33)
WR2: Torry Holt (34)
TE: Alge Crumpler (32)
LT: Matt Light (32)
LG: Logan Mankins (28)
C: Dan Koppen (31) [His birthday is opening day!]
RG: Stephen Neal (33)
RT: Nick Kaczur (31)
Average: 32.27 years of age
Stupid Mankins with his spry 28 year old self!
(WR David Patten is a bonus week one 36 year old)
by Richard Hill on May 28, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
We should...
…drop baby Mankins and trade for Faneca. ;)
by frogfromthemud on May 28, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
our offense is veteran for sure
but our defense average age is going to be around 25.
My God this team's getting there in age.
Hopefully we do the same thing we did this year in next year’s draft, except focusing more on the offense.
The following should definitely appear on Jeopardy...
ANSWER: They were invented in Philadelphia by the city's favorite icon Benjamin Franklin. However, they are very rarely used by people in the city and its surrounding areas.
QUESTIONS: What are logic, reason, and rational thought?
2010: Year of the Grission
Wonder if they still have all their original teeth?
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by SlotMachinePlayer on May 28, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
None of them
…original would be the baby teeth. :D
by frogfromthemud on May 28, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I was implying not store-bought.
But I’ll concede your point.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on May 28, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Split starts
Pretty much every season the Pats have had TEs with several starts each – last year Chris Baker and Watson shared starts (or earned them jointly if the Pats opened up in 2 TE sets). Before that, both Watson and David Thomas earned starts (often again when the Pats opened up in 2 TE sets). In 2007, Kyle Brady and Ben Watson each earned starts, both singularly and jointly.
Were I to guess again, I’d suspect the Pats play a third of their games opening up with 2 TE sets (in which case Gronkowski and Crumpler both get starts), that maybe a third of the games (particularly early season) Crumpler gets the nod, and that Gronkowski gets filtered into the starting offence as the season progresses. So they might both well be 10-12 game starters, each. It really depends on the progression of Gronkowski as a blocker, and how much of a pass-catching threat Crumpler can be. I’d also expect more 2 TE sets if Welker remains hurt for longer than expected.
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by Comedic.Sans on May 28, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Its between crumpler and gronkowski
I would guess crumpler first week, but gronkowski will be taking that job away as soon as possible. hernadez is going to be more of a move te/hb in the dallas clark/cooley type we hope at least hahaha.
i think we will be using a a lot of double TE sets
Like Trent Diffler said, our spread has been exposed.
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That's my thought, too
The Pats have used a lot of them even in the last few years, and that’s including the spread-happy offence. Check the stat list for Chris Baker, David Thomas and Kyle Brady, and you’ll notice a healthy amount of official ‘starts’ for the Pats – often when the Pats opened up in 2 TE sets.
Even last season, Watson was on the field for 66% of plays and Baker for 60%. That alone suggests a healthy dose of 2 TEs, considering how often the Pats were in 5 WR sets with zero TEs.
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by Comedic.Sans on May 28, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I have questions about the offense
but not one of them concerns tom brady. He had the second best year of his career after missing a whole season. last seasons offense woes lies in the play calling and lack of weapons after welker and moss. i expect 65 percent completion percentage 4500 plus yards and 28-35 tds and approx 100 qb ratings. We need better play calling and some weapons to step up for tom.
Yep.
My only question is whether last year was a regular year for him, or if 2007 is where he should be and 2009 was a down year.
by Richard Hill on May 28, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont see how 2009 was a down year
for tom brady. And I dont think its fair to expect him to match 2007 stats. I am pretty sure Toms 2009 season was top 5 in the league and after missing a year. I would also like to put out there i am not the most objective fan when it comes to tom brady seeing how he is my fav player in the history of the nfl and will argue till the day i die that when tom brady retires he will be the best there ever was. all i need is for tom to get at least 1 more ring. just saying i am extremely biased when it comes to tom brady . haha and i admit it.
I think comparing any of Tom's stats to the 2007 year is a bit misguided no?
That was a one of a kind year… Shouldn’t his 2004-2006 years (which were also excellent) be used as the standards?
Completion rate might be the only fair comparison
Accuracy is accuracy, after all. But yardage/TDs/etc, eh.
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by Comedic.Sans on May 28, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Difference offenses...
…3 yard passes to Welker result in a much high completion rate than throwing 7-8 yards down the field to Reche Caldwell.
by Richard Hill on May 28, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
on the other hand
a 10-15 yard pass in the middle may fly less in the air than a 2-3 yards pass to the side lines. So we will never really know :)
by frogfromthemud on May 28, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Throwing a screen over open field...
…has a better success rate than throwing over a D-Line, linebackers and a potential safety!
But point noted!
by Richard Hill on May 28, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I should have clarified:
I’m not saying that Brady should be putting up 2007 type numbers. I’m saying that maybe he should be putting up 2007 type performances.
There’s no doubt that Brady wasn’t connecting or adjusting on the deep ball and that hurt us greatly. Was that because Brady was rusty and because he’s capable of throwing the ball like in 2007? Or was that mostly because of Moss and Brady doesn’t really have a great downfield touch?
He had an extremely un-Brady like performance against the Ravens in the playoffs. He was unable (whether it’s the fault of Bill O’Brien or whomever) to command the second half and 4th quarters of games with venom.
Yeah, you can say that statistically Brady had one of his best seasons. However, watching the games and seeing when Brady scored (5 of his TDs in the 2nd quarter against Tennessee, 6 in that game), Brady wasn’t able to muster his best when it mattered the most- and that’s the Brady we’re used to seeing.
So I’m sure we can all expect a 28 TD, 12 INT, 4500 yard season from Mr. Brady. But will those scores bring us wins? Or will it be a result of piling it on against weaker teams?
Some more Brady Stats:
In our 6 real losses (minus the Houston game), Brady scored:
9 Touchdowns, for 1.5 TDs a game.
6 Touchdowns came in the 1st half.
1 Touchdown came in the 4th quarter (and it was within the first 45 seconds of the Indianapolis 4th quarter).
9 Interceptions, for 1.5 INTs a game.
3 Interceptions were in the 4th quarter.
3 Interceptions were in the playoffs.
He was not the same Brady, regardless of his season stats.
by Richard Hill on May 28, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Invasion of the body snatchers.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on May 28, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
How much emotion did we see from Tom last year?
Any strange pods show up by his house?
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by SlotMachinePlayer on May 28, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes! I have!
Oh my. It all fits!
Meet Dennis Pavia, an ex-con who just had brain surgery and says he can’t work. Recently he was caught taking two planter boxes from the back of Tom Brady’s Boston condominium, and now has to panhandle to make the $4,000 restitution.
It goes on:
"I saw these two stainless steel metal containers behind a garage next to the trash," Paiva said. "Scrap metal was really high at the time so I grabbed them and put them in my truck."
Say what?
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by Comedic.Sans on May 28, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
was that bradys fault or the offenses fault?
I think it was more 50/50 i agree there were games were brady was unbrady like didnt make the plays when plays needed to be made. but the offense as a whole was way out of whack last year. for long stretches wes welker was our offense last year. we got very predictable play calling and not very creative in my opinion. i dont think they ran 10 screens at all last year? they need to be able to run the ball when they have to. brady needed a bonafide 3rd weapon wehter it be a tight end a third wr just someone else other then welker and moss. and the chargers game as much as it hurt to watch it was over from the first snap.
Charger's game?
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by SlotMachinePlayer on May 28, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
We don’t know how Brady is. He did well enough, but he wasn’t clutch, vintage Brady. That’s a question heading into next year.
by Richard Hill on May 28, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions

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