Patriots' Camp Competition: Inside Linebacker
With training camp about two months away (and in the midst of OTA's and mini-camps), I thought that it would be good to begin to look into the major competitions surrounding the Patriots at training camp this year. Today, we start with what should be one of the top competitions with the inside linebacker position.
Overview
Heading into training camp, inside linebacker looks to be one of the top competitions. While 3rd year inside linebacker Jerod Mayo looks like a sure thing to hold down a spot at one inside linebacker position, it remains to be seen which position he will take (strong or weak), and who will be playing besides him. The top competitors for the last starting spot are Gary Guyton, Tyrone McKenzie, and rookie Brandon Spikes. Eric Alexander and Thomas Williams round out the position.
Projected Depth Chart
1. Jerod Mayo, #51 (WILB)
2. Brandon Spikes, #55 (SILB)
3. Gary Guyton, #59
4. Tyrone McKenzie, #44
Projected Cuts: Eric Alexander, #52; Thomas Williams, #48
Jerod Mayo, #51
Barring injury, Jerod Mayo will be holding down one of the two starting inside linebacker spots for the Patriots. His rookie season, Mayo played the weak side, where he fit naturally. Without having to stack and shed as much, Mayo roamed free, and used his athleticism to his advantage, on his way to Defensive Rookie of the Year honors. Following Tedy Bruschi's retirement, Jerod Mayo was asked to slide over to the strong side, with Gary Guyton moving to the weak side. While Guyton played well at his WILB position, Jerod Mayo had a tougher time fitting in as a strong inside linebacker due both to his skillset, and his injuries. The best case scenario for Mayo would be to have one of the young guns (Spikes or McKenzie) step up and seize the strong inside linebacker position. Chance to Start: 100% | Chance to Make Roster: 100%
Gary Guyton, #59
As a rookie in 2008, Gary Guyton played as a reserve inside linebacker, often coming in on passing downs and dropping into coverage. In 2009, Gary Guyton became a full-time starter and was second on the team with 85 total tackles while playing and starting all sixteen games. Guyton's downfall may be his position. While he is a solid starter, he isn't a Jerod Mayo, and is also most comfortable on the weak side (doesn't have the brute strength to be effective on the strong side). For Guyton to win a starting spot in 2010, he must really outshine Brandon Spikes and Tyrone McKenzie, while proving he shouldn't be taken off the field. At a minimum, Guyton should still be a factor in pass coverage as well as 4-3 situations, and he will see his fair share of snaps in 2010. Chance to Start: 15% | Chance to Make Roster: 99%
Rest of the group after the jump!
Tyrone McKenzie, #44
We all know the story with McKenzie: talented, hard working third round pick who had an unfortunate knee injury in rookie mini-camp last season causing him to "miss" the entire 2009 season. The reason I put "miss" in quotations is because McKenzie, who coach Belichick lauded as being one of the most mature and hard working characters he's ever met in the pre-draft process, likely didn't take much time off due to the injury. Knowing McKenzie's work ethic, it should be pretty obvious that he spent a lot of time in the weight room, film room, and with his playbook. I would expect McKenzie, who should be fully recovered by now, to be ready both mentally and physically. He is also reportedly up to 248 pounds. He certainly has the bulk to play the strong side, have you seen the size of that man's neck? While he isn't the fastest players, he also offers more speed than Brandon Spikes, and is able to do a little bit of everything. Chance to Start: 41% | Chance to Make Roster: 97%
Brandon Spikes, #55
Brandon Spikes was a second round pick of the Patriots just last month. With his unique combination of size, strength, instincts, and smarts, he could very well play his way into a starting role with the Patriots in 2010. Spikes is your prototypical thumper who can play strong inside linebacker. While it may be hard to keep him in on passing situations because of his slow straight line speed (5.0 40 yard dash), he has good side to side movement. Heck, he has got to be faster than guys like Junior Seau (at the end of his career) and Ted Johnson were. Spikes has a good chance to start because he really complements Jerod Mayo well, and would allow Mayo to play on the weak side. He's just got to prove he won't be a liability in coverage. Chance to Start: 43% | Chance to Make Roster: 100%
Eric Alexander, #52
Eric Alexander is a good special teams player, but he's never really been a factor as an every down inside linebacker. Barring something drastic, he won't be starting for the Patriots in 2010. He'll also have to battle for his roster spot with the likes of Thomas Williams and Marques Murrell for special teams. If players like Guyton and McKenzie prove capable on the special teams level, Alexander could have a hard time holding onto a spot in 2010. Chance to Start: 1.5% | Chance to Make Roster: 25%
Thomas Williams, #48
The former USC product was selected in the fifth round out of USC by the Jaguars in the 2008 NFL Draft. The Patriots added him to their practice squad in November, where he spent the rest of the regular season before being promoted to the 53 before the Patriots' playoff game against the Ravens. Williams is a longer shot to make the roster, and will have to prove his worth through his play on special teams. Chance to Start: 0.5% | Chance to Make Roster: 3%
FINAL VERDICT: Due to Jerod Mayo's play on the weak side, I give the starting nod to Brandon Spikes who will be a natural fit as a SILB. I think Tyrone McKenzie could play that role as well, but I gave it to Spikes just because of his instincts and his higher ceiling. Gary Guyton will still have an integral rotation in the Patriots linebacker corps, just not as a starter. I think McKenzie will see some time, but will also be a big part of special teams, which just may cost Eric Alexander his roster spot.
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Great post!
I am torn on who starts next to mayo. I am glad mayo can move back to weakside mlb where he is more valuable. i think they will rotate in mckenzie and spikes in the other spot. either way out lb crew has gotten a lot younger.
Being torn is a good thing.
Three good choices there. Unlike when Mayo went down, and Guyton started. It was like, “Oh, crap! Who is going to line up with Guyton?”
This is the kind of problem I can deal with.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on May 28, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a rotation is in order.
Mayo Spikes, with McKenzie in the rotation. I heard McKenzie has that Ray Lewis type personality.
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Mayo and Spikes seem the natural ILB pairing
Mayo’s very quick, Spikes is a big, strong block-shedding unit. Tyrone McKenzie seems a natural third ILB – he’s fairly quick (4.74, and even timed as quick as 4.64), and with decent size at nigh on 250lbs. In other words, he can fill in for Mayo at a pinch, and he can fill in for Spikes at a pinch. That’s ideal for a third rotation guy. Guyton strikes me as a nickel-set MLB, as he’s big and quick and good in coverage.
The other thing to take into consideration is that Guyton and McKenzie are natural special-teamers. McKenzie blocked a kick in college against Rutgers, and he was compared to Mike Vrabel in terms of versatility to play inside and out. Guyton is blindingly quick for such a big man (4.47 40), so he’d be absolutely dynamic on kick coverage and general special teams units in order to bulk up the reps he’s not getting as a starter. Given the Pats played around 50% of the time in sub packages, Guyton’s snap count will still be fairly high as a sub package and core special teams player. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s even dropped from the 3-4 ILB rotation if everyone stays healthy, in order to let him concentrate on Nickel-duties and STs.
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this is a shot in the dark but...
why not move guyton to OLB this might actually solve a little of the depth problem we have there. he gets his starting snaps and uses his speed/size to get to the QB a 4.47 speed seems like it would be of good use on the outside to flush the qb from the pocket
by MOSS81 on May 29, 2010 4:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was a decent idea, myself
But apparently the Pats aren’t sold on it, and neither is Mike Reiss. Guyton has the height, but apparently his arms are too short to fend off TE blockers and he doesn’t have the strength to shed Tackles. He gets washed out in blocks and can’t set the edge in the way that Mike Vrabel could, so he’s not a natural OLB for the Pats. Then again, he’s had three years since he was last tried at OLB (he played a bit there his rookie season) so it might be worth having another crack at putting him as a 3-4 OLB.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on May 29, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
So did I, but apparently not long enough
So did I, but apparently not long enough. As Mike Reiss put it in his weekly chat, when asked.
As did I, but Mike Reiss doesn’t… From his weekly chat transcript this week:
Hans (Medway):
Mike, I’m curious about some of your previous comments about the size the Patriots want in an OLB. For example, you say that Gary Guyton is too light to play the position. Since Shawn Crable is listed at 243 pounds, then, how can he play the position? I think I’ve heard you say that they want the OLBs to weigh in the 260-270 range, like Jermaine Cunningham.
Mike Reiss (11:17 AM):
The OLB in the 3-4 defense plays at the end of the line of scrimmage, and is basically like a defensive end. So when I think of the ideal size for a player there, it’s not just weight, but also height, arm length etc. Crable is listed at 243 (he said last week he’s up to 247), but the difference between him and Guyton is in the length department. Crable has those long arms to keep long-armed tackles off of him. If I could draw up the perfect OLB prototype for the 3-4 defense, I’d make him 6-5, 265, with that long reach. It doesn’t mean a player without those measureables can’t do it (Banta-Cain is 6-2, 250).
I still don’t think it rules Guyton out from being run as an OLB, but even if he’s ‘only’ a sub-package MLB that plays on nickel sets, he’s going to be on the field 50% of the time. Add in special teams, he’ll still get quite a lot of snaps. I still would expect him to get a tryout on the outside, though.
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by Comedic.Sans on May 29, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm i think we should give it a try regardless if he doesnt have the longest arms
lol he might surprise us with a very good spin move and be a freeny type OLB. but hey “In Belichic we trust”
by MOSS81 on May 29, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Chaos (Joker?) formation that we did...
…gives us a perfect time to utilize our strong inside linebackers.
Vince Wilfork with his hand down.
Tully Banta-Cain, Derrick Burgess/Jermaine Cunningham on the outsides.
Jerod Mayo and Tyrone McKenzie/Brandon Spikes on the inside.
Gary Guyton as a roving linebacker who can blitz, cover or hit the line.
Leigh Bodden, Darius Butler and Devin McCourty watching the receivers.
Brandon Meriweather and Pat Chung waiting to lay the smack down.
A formation like:
-———————————Wilfork—————————
Burgess – Guyton – Spikes – Mayo – TBC
McCourty—Butler—————Chung—Bodden
-————————-Meriweather—————————
And maybe switch Wilfork with...
…a Myron Pryor or Mike Wright for greater mobility.
by Richard Hill on May 29, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm still waiting for the game where it's an obvious passing down...
and the entire defense is in coverage. And i’m not talking like end of the game hail mary situation, i’m just talking like 3rd quarter and the team is at 3rd and 16. Just drop everbody back 5 yards and double cover the routes. Nobody on the line and have the MLB spy the QB in case it turns into a sneak. I think it’d be funny to watch the O-Lineman just kinda stand up and stare since they can’t move beyond the line of scrimmage. Eliminate 5 people instantly from the play. :P
isnt that bassically a 1-5-5 nickel set
yup its a 1-5-5 nickel package with all the starters
by MOSS81 on May 29, 2010 5:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends how you arrange the LBs
The Joker/Chaos front the Pats were using had the LBs roving around in the 5 yard deep area like a pack of hungry sharks. They were constantly on the move and were apparently chattering away to each other adjusting their assignments – who would blitz, cover, etc. So the opposition QB sees a sea of LBs moving around and talking instead of a 1-5-5 nickel package (although that’s what it basically is), just because of the way the LBs are behaving by shifting around constantly.
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by Comedic.Sans on May 29, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
alas ... there's Depth
Mayo, Guyton, Spikes, and McKenzie … it’s sure enjoyable for all of us to be debating who will start among this group. BB and his staff certainly deserve a lot of praise for re-stocking the ILB core with youth and a huge upside.
I hope Alexander can remain on the squad. He brings experience and depth. I also favor something that should be done far more often and that is to sub out key starters when a game is in hand. Guys like Alexander, Ninkovich, and Hoyer should see lots more playing time in the 4th quarter.
of a sort
It’s depth with upside, but upside doesn’t matter on a play-to-play, or even game-to-game basis. We still need a guy like Bruschi, who with his smarts makes those around him play better, and who can at a key point take over a game. The Patriots may have players in the pipe now, but these linebackers are in a position where they have to be at the point of the spear. To date they’ve got a few supporting cast. There is potential for a good core, but only Mayo has really proved they are The Guy, as of yet.
As has been said before ad-nauseum, that’s part of the difference in perception between inside and outside Pats fandom: The fans see what the players could be, and the non-fans see what they’ve proven.
I would agree that the steps from 10-6 last year to even 15-1 were pretty small, but it remains to be seen if they will be taken. For that, we have to wait for the season.
DAMN
I would absolutely love it if its Spikes teaming up next to Mayo…imagine the greatness if it works out
And even better if McKenzie is a better-than-useful substitute/sport starter
It’s no coincidence that the Pats won Superbowls in the years they had multiple top-shelf ILBs – Phifer, Bruschi, Ted Johnson. Mayo, Spikes, McKenzie and Guyton could potentially top that, given the mix of athleticism and hard-nosed play of the bunch.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on May 31, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
"O" and "D" balance
It’ll take more time for Mayo, Meriweather, and others to reach the Bruschi and Harrison level of understanding and game savvy. But, I sure like the collection of young athletes that BB has assembled.
I think the key to a Super Bowl this season lies in the “O” providing the “D” with a lead and long fields to defend. The Pat’s “O” is clearly a veteran group with ideal rookie inserts. The “O” needs to establish a lead and control field position.
The PAT’s “O” must minimize the 3 and out scenarios this season: move the chains a few times every possession [as a minimum]. This will allow the PAT’s to control field position at the very least. This, to me, is where the TE’s should be utilized: chain movers!
If the Pat’s “D” is allowed to play with the lead and their opponent is continually beginning their drive inside their own 30 yard line, that quickly turns opposing offenses into 1-dimensional play calling opponents.
The PAT’s “D” is loaded with athletes and speed. Playing from behind will force the opponent’s “O” to be far more one dimensional. This will better suit the younger PAT’s on “D” where they can rely more on their physical gifts while developing that savvy with more and more game time experience.
Totally agree, spuds.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on May 31, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
It’ll also eat up more game-clock and keep the big Pats D off the field longer; I wonder how much the end of 2007 season issues came about because the D was on the field too much after 50-yard Randy Moss TDs that only ate up a few seconds.
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by Comedic.Sans on May 31, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions

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