"I want to be traded. I don’t need to be here any more ... There is no way that I'm signing that thing," Mankins said.
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get another 1st rounder for next year? lol
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Chomping at the bit for the Raiders?
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
DO IT!!!!
we can probably get… I need to talk to some guys up there, maybe they have some ideas.
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They'll have another 1st rounder in what, 2021 or so? LOL
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Even that first rounder will likely be with the Bears
who will then trade it to the Jets, who will proceed to blow the selection entirely and draft a fullback…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 14, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless that FB is a guy like LeRon McClain
You could argue that the guy is worth a first-rounder. Although it helps he’s a FB who can play HB pretty well when necessary.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jun 14, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The Ravens just can't decide who's going to get the ball...
McGahee? McClain? Rice? I don’t know. It’s like running back roulette, which used to happen around here until Corey Dillon invented the cloaking device…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 15, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think I'd mind that kind of headache, personally...
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by Comedic.Sans on Jun 16, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, if that running back roulette produces a 12-4 season I'm all for it.
If it just kills any momentum, though, like what USC was running last year, than it’s utterly pointless and you need just one back. That’s what the Chargers did for years, adn look what happened to LT…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 16, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade him to the Buccaneers and see if he gets paid....
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Asomugha!
…and Seymour too, if Saint Al the Beneficent is in a particularly good mood……
lol that's not gonna happen man, sorry.
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Some of what he says doesn't make sense if there is, in fact, a contract on the table.
Maybe he’s looking to be the best paid guard in the league?
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
Like this:
“I was asked to play ’09 out, and that they would address contract after the uncapped year,” Mankins said.
2009 was capped, 2010 is uncapped. So if they address it after the UNCAPPED year, that would be after 2010 season.
Yet there is a contract out there, or so they say.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Where'd you see that?
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Reiss quoted the...
…agent:
Mankins would not provide details of negotiations, or what he is seeking financially in a contract. His agent, Frank Bauer, also declined to discuss details, although revealed that the main reason a deal hasn’t been reached is that the Patriots’ final offer is “20 percent lower than Jahri Evans’ deal with the Saints.”
Evans, a Pro Bowl guard, signed a seven-year, $56.7 million contract with the Saints in May.
by frogfromthemud on Jun 14, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saw that
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
ok here is what i think.
as a patriot fan i like mankins, i think he is worth signing. but you know what the pats arent doing anything against the rules they arent forcing him to play for us they are just abiding by the rules mankins union bargained for last time at the table. so in 08 in his rookie contract mankins said he played for less value then he deserved well he should of thought about that when he signed a contract. are teams supposd to just rip up contracts that players sign every time a different players signs a bigger deal???? i know i am ranting but this stuff shouldnt happen and now we are most likely going to lose one of the best guards in the league and the best guard on our team.
Well its Mankins call really
He felt he was underpaid based on his performance.
He listened to one negotiation, apparently last year, and played on.
Now this year he’s saying, “enough talk” I want a contract I feel I’m worth
And apparently the sides are disagreeing on that worth…
still too good for a guard in my book
by frogfromthemud on Jun 14, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially when Sir Thomas of Brady needs a contract.
Mankins is our best guard, but we’ve got guards. Who is going to fill Brady’s shoes if he is gone? We’re a little thin in All-Pro, MVP, Super-Bowl winning quarterbacks…..
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
-1
We’ve got BRIAN HOYER. He’s gon’ get all that and more these next 5 years.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 15, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I do think Brian Hoyer has above average pocket presence, and average accuracy. But he should only get better.
But I doubt he’ll be our saving grace if Brady goes to the free agent market next year or the year after. We’ll see what happens in the next 3-4 years with him.
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Apparenetly that was a misquote:
"To borrow a simile from the football field, we believe that men must play fair, but that there must be no shirking, and that the success can only come to the player who hits the line hard." — Theodore Roosevelt
by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 14, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So it's not that the Patriots didn't try to do a deal and fulfill what they said.
It’s that Mankins doesn’t like the deal and thinks he’s worth more.
He was tendered at a 1st and 3rd and nobody bit, so a trade would likely be less than that. 1st and low rounder, 1st alone, or a 2nd and change if it is going to happen.
Or the Patriots could get nastier by basically holding onto their rights to him for the year (basically unpaid for Mankins) and then letting him walk free in a year that may have no football.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions
or they could keep him
this year and franchise him next year if they wanted to. so if my math is correct the pats offered mankins 45 million dollars not to shabby if its legit.
If they were asking for Evans money or more that would be unreasonable.
It sound like increasing it to closer to 10% less probably wouldn’t do it either. I think the world of Mankins, but not THAT much.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
yep...
..that’s why I think Mankins speaks crap. Pats said they will adrees the contract and they did. And in my book a contract over 6 millino/year is more than nice. Considering Welker gets less than 4 milliion it’s rridiculously good. Sorry, in my book a guard is a first guy to drop..after the long snapper… :)
by frogfromthemud on Jun 14, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
wouldnt go that far in todays offense
good guard play is a must in the running games they do a lot of pulling and a quick athletic guards do well in the sweep game too. the line off/def is where most games are won and lost in my opinion.
Yeah, but Mankins or Brady.
Who do you set as a priority?
The cap will be back, and there is only so much money available.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
true slot but they
havent signed either yet ? i am not blaming the pats for this i just wish it didnt come to this.
the Pats are working onTB's contract...
…they can think on Moss and Welker contracts too. It’s not just cap. If you pay to your guard 8 million, what would you pay for the 3 time SB winner QB, the WR with the most TD, or the WR with the most receprtions in the last 3 years. The contract they make this year effects the next 3-4 years at least….
by frogfromthemud on Jun 14, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
True that.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Welker's contract is WAY undervalued relative to production.
I’d also like to see Moss stick around on a three year deal, but that may not work out.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Same here.
Mankins is taking an “I’m getting paid what I want whether it’s here or elsewhere tact”. Ok, fine, you can do that.
You could also wait up to two years to get paid if there is no football next year, with fines being assessed against that future pay for not showing up. They can do that.
I think he is getting some piss poor advice considering the uncertain climate.
Get a load of up front money, just in case, and you still would be making much more per year than us working stiffs. Oh, but it’s always about getting MORE….
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
SMP..
…off topic…the caption contests stucked a bit. :) Any picture about an angry Mankins? :D
by frogfromthemud on Jun 14, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry about the stagnant Caption Contest
I had back surgery last Monday and have been a bit out of the loop. I’ll get some new pics up soon.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks. I feel great for a guy with a hole in his back.
It’s just that there are sooooo many things that I can’t do. I feel like I could do them, but that would be incredibly stupid on my part.
I can easily see why Welker doesn’t want to sit on the bench. Put me in coach.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
get well...
(but thanks god looks like your spirit is the good old one :) )
by frogfromthemud on Jun 14, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
hope you recovery well
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He accidentally shot himself with his ban hammer
That’s what I think really happened. You know how he likes to show that thing off.
Keep the faith!
wait wait wait...
he shot himself with his ban hammer?
Damn that’s pretty epic. Well that’s what he gets for messing with the Pulpit’s weapon of mass destruction!
Hopefully smp learned his lesson.
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He just started whacking away with that shiny golden hammer, and the next thing you knew, well...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 15, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, the ban hammer is
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 15, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's a picture of it:
Mere mortals usually aren’t allowed to gaze upon it’s might. You are privileged.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 15, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If he doesn't play
I don’t think the accrues time necessary to become an UFA. He’d remain a RFA.
For a “principled man” he seems to be acting quite unprincipled. Maybe the reporters meant “stubborn”. He may have the disease of me.
"simul justus et peccator"
Especially since he supposedly wants to be traded...
He can’t get traded until he signs the offer sheet. So delaying it until after the Pats cut his offer (as they are entitled to do, and said they would) and then demanding a trade makes no sense at all. At the very least, he could’ve signed the $3+M offer and demanded a trade; it’d give him a better leverage against whatever team finally ended up with him for a long-term contract negotiation. Now some team might be encouraged to trade for him at $1M as a one-year loaner deal; get him for one year, pay him a low rate, then cut him loose. No longterm deal for Mankins, and some team gets a one-year discount Pro Bowl level Guard.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jun 14, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm...
The header for that article reads:
Logan Mankins signs tender, wants to be traded
As far as his stance on this? C’mon- is there any defensible point of view in which he doesn’t sound like a whiny baby?
Where does it say he signs his tender?
I see won’t sign tender.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 14, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
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I’m not sure what it’s called—the title of the webpage on the same bar as the minimize, maximize, and close buttons.
I’m sure it’s just a typo.
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by LegendaryTadpole on Jun 14, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Mankins sure is burning bridges left and right.
And the way he is whining about his contract certainly makes him sound like he isn’t a Patriots type of player.
At this point, I want nothing to do with Mankins unless he decides to grow up and stop whining.
*sigh* bye bye logan
Sad it came to this. he’s good as gone. I feel like I gotta side with the patriots on this one. They fulfilled their end of the deal but Mankins didnt like the deal. if it comes down to signing your guard or qb i’m taking brady every day. just a though, dumervil signed his tender, trading mankins for him with maybe a 2nd or 3rd thrown in seems like a good trade for the pats. any thoughts?
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by Pats1281 on Jun 14, 2010 5:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oh wowwwwwwwwwwwww.
AFC East interior defensive linemen are fist pumping today.
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by Chad Henne is Your New Bicycle on Jun 14, 2010 6:54 PM EDT reply actions
This is from the...
Boston Globe:
The sides have been at an impasse for some time. The Patriots’ last offer, which has has been on the table for “a significant period of time”, was a five-year deal worth approximately $7 million per season and would place the two-time Pro Bowler comfortably among the top five paid guards in the NFL, according to a league source.
This is what separates the Patriots from the rest of the NFL.
The Saints signed their All-Pro guard to an NFL-high salary at guard, because they just won the Super Bowl and are feeling all warm and fuzzy about their players. That team was also built on a number of young, currently restricted but soon to be unrestricted free agent, players. That few extra million might not seem like a bunch right now, for a great players basking in the shine off the Lombardi Trophy. In 3 years, though, when other big contracts are up, not only will those younger guys, now (maybe) legitimate studs in the game, expect “their share” (because now there is a precedent for paying top dollar), but the team is also out several million that it shouldn’t.
The value gig gets a bad rap in some arenas, but occurrences like this, viewed with the Pats’ past decade as a backdrop, reminds us of its true genius.
yeah, its not the pats fault
That is a plenty good contract for a player of his callibur.
by beantownboy171 on Jun 14, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He wants more, thats ok...
..but he speaks BS and he contradicts the facts. I’m not saying he “lies”, Because, in his defense, he does not seem smart enough to recognize the lack of truth in his statement.
by frogfromthemud on Jun 15, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh - not sure how much is BS or in contradiction really
he played out ‘09, played out his rookie contract with very little complaint beyond requesting a long term deal. And now he feels he’s not being taken care of.
Whether thats because of Vince’s deal, and Tom’s potential deal, or because he’s not seeing the $$ he wants based on the market – he’s not happy with how things are going.
Even if the Pats told him they’d work things out after the uncapped year, it seems as though he doesn’t want to wait another year at the max tender, which is still less then he feels he can earn.
If the Pats offered him a 1 yr deal at the $6.5m plus incentives maybe it’s different, I don’t know.
Right now he’s got some lofty figure in his head for a contract, the Pats aren’t biting where he wants them too, and they are preventing him from talking with other teams.
the pats arent preventing him
league rules are preventing him. the pats are doing nothing wrong they said they would offer him a contract and they did. 5 years 35 million isnt chump change for a guard. he didnt even counter it he just pouted and ran his mouth. yesterday i was bummed cause i didnt wanna lose mankins today i am glad he might be gone and i hope the pats make him play this year for 1.54 million.
by brady12mvp3 on Jun 15, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Pats prevented him via the max tender
which requires teams to give up 1st and 3rd round picks to sign him.
I agree it’s within the pats rights to do that, and it’s smart business.
I also can agree with Mankins being pissed at that because it does seriously effect is ability to get other offers.
Pats can’t make him play, he’s not under contract. And while I agree $5M a year isn’t chump change, it’s economies to scale for him and every other NFL players so the total annual sum is really a non factor.
the pats are playing by the rules
that his union provided them.
the pats offered him a 5 year deal aveageing 7.1 million a year when they said they would they did and it was on the table for awhile and if mankins didnt like it why didnt he counter at least once?
the patriots have done zero zilch nada wrong in this situation and after the remarks mankins made as far as i am concerned he can go pound sand.
they offered him a top 5 contract for his position and it wasnt enough for him i guess.
by brady12mvp3 on Jun 15, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
That's one of my points too
He should take it up with the player reps that voted it in
Keep the faith!
Fair points
I don’t feel like Mankins is out of line for saying he isn’t getting what he feels he’s worth. Everyone’s got that right, regardless of it’s warrant.
The comments about living up to your word, well I just don’t know enough about ‘the words’ that were spoken to comment either way.
That certainly doesn’t help his cause, that’s for sure.
It really sucks the way this is turning out, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t surprised. I mean all the conversation about Vince, then it moves to Brady next – I mean the Pats were not giving the media ANY news about Logan, that’s never good.
Sounds like they did Vince.
Dropped a contract on Mankins table.
Moved on to Bodden and the rest.
Then start looking at Tommy.
Sounds like the contract has been just sitting there, and it’s really Mankins move.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jun 15, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's see...
LM said the Pats told him adressing the new contract during the uncapped year. And he said they did not kep their word. His agent himself admits there was a contract offer. They offered him a 5 years contract, what “would place the two-time Pro Bowler comfortably among the top five paid guards in the NFL, according to a league source.”.
Mankins can say he wants more. But saying the Pats did not keeping they word is just big BS. Classless comment from a greedy guy who is not too smart.
by frogfromthemud on Jun 15, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
$7 mill per year is plenty for an Offensive Gaurd
If he doesn’t like that he can sit out for a year than buzz off.
Okie Dokie i am done with mankins
yesterday where as i felt bad for mankins i didnt think the pats were at fault, but now that some facts are out mankins can go screw and dante scarnecchia will just have to work his magic training his replacement. the pats offered him a 5 year deal averageing 7 million a year putting mankins in the top 5 in guards some time ago and mankins didnt even so much as counter once. he is the disrespectful one kraft stood by what he said he offered mankins a more then fair contract i guess it just wasnt enough for logan. I now hope the pats take the strong line with mankins they already cut his tender to 1.54 million i would make him play this year for 1.5 then next year we could have a lockout and the year after that we franchise him so he would be a patriot for the next 3 years u know on principle like he said right. ahh logan logan either you took some bad advice or you are a bigger jerk theni i thought u were.
Ever notice there are two types of player philosophies?
First are the guys that KNOW in their bones that the NFL is a business and the love the organization throws them is just a temporary blanket that can be snatched off in a heartbeat, a bone snap or a few too many missed tackles.
Other guys look to contract negotiations as an emotional assessment of what the team truly thinks they’re worth as a person as well as a player, and can’t separate the two. (Whenever a player says “It’s not about the money it’s the principle,” it’s all about the money.)
Both types can be disappointed in how the contract gets done or what the numbers are that get tossed around, but one group is stricken through to the heart and the other shrugs it off as business (Mankins vs. Wilfork). It’s the latter group, that can disdain the process but still embrace the team once the papers are signed, that will have the longer career in the NFL.
Keep the faith!
wilfork did it right
he stood up for himself , he said the right things, he had class and when the pats offered him a contract he worked it out and signed it. from what i gather mankins didnt like the pats offer and didnt even counter he just expects to be paid more then evans. i dont like because the saints paid evans a ludicrous amount for a guard why does that mean the patriots have to? mankins has a right to be upset i guess he has a right to demand a trade but he crossed the line with his comments about kraft and the patriots orginization.
The Wilfork contract negociations were tough and Wilfork felt somewhat disrespected too.....
…but he didn’t take it nearly as far as Mankins has. I am completely done with a guy who is this disrespectful and all about the money.
What about a trade to KC for Derrick Johnson
There’s a guy from KC who’s been reduced in his role, signed a tender offer but could be on the way out there.
Way not trade similarly disgruntled players among old friends?
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